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Arabic language FLAP in Texas

They actually tried to sneak this in under the parent's noses:

How far will the multiculturalists go? And just how far have they already penetrated the fabric of this nation and its education system? Far enough to begin mandating Arabic language classes in the public schools in one Texas town. And the program is based upon a federally funded program no less. Which means that it will be coming to a school system near you soon.

Our tax dollars are continuing to fund the destruction and deterioration of our nation, its morals and its heritage and this program was funded and begun by this president and the Pelosi led Congress. But no one heard of it or was aware of it before now.

More at the link, including related video.

I could see this passing in San Francisco or Seattle... but Texas?

Texas?

Unbelievable.


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Let me take a wild stab at ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Let me take a wild stab at this and guess that civics is an across the board elective.

Wrong language. They shoul... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Wrong language. They should at least be preparing us to be able to converse with our new financial overlords - the Chinese.

Believe it or not, Texas do... (Below threshold)

Believe it or not, Texas does have gobs of liberals and it's not the least bit surprising that they are running the school system.

The muslum in chief is so u... (Below threshold)
914:

The muslum in chief is so up on the latest fads.

Shucks, in Texas Arabic is ... (Below threshold)

Shucks, in Texas Arabic is only third in line. They had better learn Spanish first, Chinese second and Arabic third. English is apparently optional.

The only way in which the p... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

The only way in which the public sector, K-12 school systems could get more looney liberal is if they sat around in circles smoking giant crack pipes.

Um, ok. I haven't been here... (Below threshold)
jim x:

Um, ok. I haven't been here in a while, but I came back, saw this, and just have to ask.

What exactly is bad about this?

How is offering students an option to learn the language of a place where we will be sending thousands of troops for decades or more, a bad thing?

Please explain.

Jimx...mandating is a bit d... (Below threshold)

Jimx...mandating is a bit different than making it an elective.

As to how far will they go? Hmm, bowing to foreign dignitaries, saying we are not a Christian nation, being ashamed to be an American, called racist for saying anything, not allowing red and green decor in December in some schools, the Georgia farmer case, the lynching comments about clarence thomas...house ni**er comments about Condi Rice...

you don't have enough room for me to answer in full.

Mandating is not optional ... (Below threshold)
914:

Mandating is not optional Jim X..


By the way, Congrats on November.

OK, even if it's mandatory.... (Below threshold)
jim x:

OK, even if it's mandatory. What is the harm? Again, we're going to have thousands of soldiers their for decades.

Why is it so bad that kids have that on their plate to learn, instead of say French? Which will almost certainly be less useful. Our soldiers aren't in France, and our gas doesn't come from Paris.

Forcing the youngest of chi... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Forcing the youngest of children to be indoctrinated in the language & culture of a hateful violent & bigoted society at the expense of taxpayers is so wrong on many levels. This is 100% incompatible with western culture.

This mandate must not stand.

@ 914 - thanks of course.</... (Below threshold)

@ 914 - thanks of course.

By the way, Democrats lost the House but not the Senate, which is what I recall predicting. And Angel and O'Donell handed the Dems particularly easy wins, because Tea Party extremists don't do well at winning over moderates. Especially if they're nutcases...

The silver lining to the Democratic loss, which I freely admit hurt, is that nearly all of the lost seats belonged to conservadem Blue Dogs. Which should show how effective being a conservative Democrat really is....although it's an even bet whether the Democratic party will listen.

But this is probably the wrong crowd for this...

Am I the only one here old ... (Below threshold)
liberalnitemare:

Am I the only one here old enough to remember when Japanese was the language of the future?

OK, Jennifer. See, this is ... (Below threshold)

OK, Jennifer. See, this is what led me to stop posting here a while ago.

This list -

"Hmm, bowing to foreign dignitaries, saying we are not a Christian nation, being ashamed to be an American, "

- How about kissing one on the lips and then walking holding his hand? Somehow when Bush did that, nooooo problem.

As for "not being a Christian nation", sorry that you don't like it but that's factually accurate. Just as we aren't a Jewish nation, or an Atheistic one. Do I really have to point you towards the First Amendment again?

I mean, what else does "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" mean?

Unless "....except Christianity!" is tacked on at the
end there, you are simply FACTUALLY WRONG.

And even if it was, you would STILL be wrong - because not all of this nation are Christians. Any more than they're all Chinese.

called racist for saying anything,

Please show where President Obama did that.

not allowing red and green decor in December in some schools, the Georgia farmer case, the lynching comments about clarence thomas...house ni**er comments about Condi Rice...

Please show any Democrat in office who caused or said any of those things.

Here's the problem, and why I eventually went away:

Facts don't really seem to sway people here.

It would be great to have an open debate about what *should be* the way forward. But that can't even start, until people have a willingness to accept when their facts are wrong.

And by people, I really do mean a lot of the people posting here.

Well, JimX let me address j... (Below threshold)
NJ Mike:

Well, JimX let me address just one of your simplistic queries.
""Hmm, bowing to foreign dignitaries, saying we are not a Christian nation, being ashamed to be an American, "
- How about kissing one on the lips and then walking holding his hand? Somehow when Bush did that, nooooo problem."
What you describe about kissing and handholding is called 'observing protocol and respecting local culture". Because you see it is ARABIC culture that demands the buss and hand linking.
Debasing oneself before a foreign leader is what American Presidents DO NOT DO.

As for our absolutely being a Judeo-Christian country, try reading a bit. We are indeed and were founded as the above. The First Amendment refers to a NATIONAL or STATE religion. TJ's letter to the Connecticut baptists is a good place to start since that is where lefty's such as yourself have found the comment "separation of chuch and state".

Oh, ok NJ MIke. So just so ... (Below threshold)

Oh, ok NJ MIke. So just so I have this straight:

Bush observing foreign protocol on US soil == just dandy.

Obama observing foreign protocol on foreign soil == destruction of America.

And NJ Mike, please straigh... (Below threshold)

And NJ Mike, please straighten out this for me:

As for our absolutely being a Judeo-Christian country, try reading a bit. We are indeed and were founded as the above. The First Amendment refers to a NATIONAL or STATE religion.

We are both agreed that the First Amendment declares the US will have no officially recognized National or State religion. Right?

So, since:
a) our founding document actually declares there will be no officially recognized National or State religion, and

b) Christianity is a religion,

...then how do you get from there to

c) we are indeed and were founded as a Christian nation?

Please explain.

jim-x is back, and racking ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

jim-x is back, and racking up the vote just as always.

THIS STORY IS FALSE. THE... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

THIS STORY IS FALSE. THE COURSES WERE NOT GOING TO BE MANDATORY.

Mansfield ISD Website

"we're going to have thousa... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"we're going to have thousands of soldiers their for decades." jim x

Just what makes you think that the children being forced to learn a single Arab dialect out of dozens from that region are going to join the Armed Forces and then serve in that combat theater? What makes you think that even serves a useful purpose?

You really need to think before you type. Seriously, you've become more *chaotic than you used to be, if that's even possible.

*'chaotic' is interchangeable with 'stupid' ymmv

"I could see this passin... (Below threshold)
yetanotherjohn:

"I could see this passing in San Francisco or Seattle... but Texas?

Texas?"

Notice that this came as a surprise to the Texan parents. This "passed" by a small group. But Texas has a solution to this. Everyone who "approved and passed" this will come up for re-eection soon. Then the Texan parents (and non-parents) can endorse the decision or toss them out. After the next election, then ask how this can be in Texas. In Texas, just about every position is elected, so if someone screws up like this, we can apply electoral pressure directly to the problem.

Also, for what it is worth, my oldest going to a Texas High School has taken Latin, Chinese and programed an iPhone app for a start-up company as part of a industry mentorship program as an elective in the school (along with a variety of AP courses, history, math, English, robotics, programming, government, physics, biology, chemistry, physical education, etc.).

gmac & yetanotherjohn, plea... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

gmac & yetanotherjohn, please stop spreading false stories. See comment 19.

Tina, reading is fundamenta... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Tina, reading is fundamental.

3rd bullet point down:
"In the K-6 grades (Davis Elementary and Cross Timbers Intermediate), the curriculum-writing process has stopped."

Looks like even the press release has holes you could drive a Mack truck through. It may be that it has been stopped but it was there and mandatory.

Jimx I have a son ... (Below threshold)

Jimx

I have a son in Afghanistan and you bet your behind we helped facilitate materials for him to learn as well as the US Army did, as it is important for him being there. But to highlight my comment as if you are the Learned One is hilarious.

I stand here in this comment section as a commoner, stating my beliefs in light of crappy biased media. Bowing as an American was never right- maybe it is being taught now but IS not correct.

And yes taking even the liberal magazines polling, a large portion of Americans consider themselves to be Christian...feel free think as your squad tells you to think, but the much of the rest of the nation find that full of bile.

Sarah Palin-you know THE HATED ONE resonates with so many because she is speaking...and saying what the rest of us believe. We are fed up with being polite and allowing the Left and its spoiled child mentality to continue. In the southwest Spanish makes sense, as I am a New Mexican...but for goodness sake lets get on to the truth of the matter...the Lefties and the curricula that they have implemented in our public schools is the problem. We are raising a bunch of followers that have no idea about American history, world history, math, any science-unless mamma earth is worshiped. As with everything else, it does seem that the Left has gone to far, and the country is saying NO MORE.

In future conflicts in the ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

In future conflicts in the Middle East, would you prefer that we have Arabic language experts who are Americans that have been trained in America, or would you rather rely on a native speaker who might or might not be an agent with loyalties that lean towards the other side?


I would prefer to have patr... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

I would prefer to have patriots CHOOSE to learn the language rather than have innocent children be indoctrinated by government schools. It can only lead to sympathetic events like Ft. Hood.

Is it possible thta jim x i... (Below threshold)
Michael Lang:

Is it possible thta jim x is as moronic as he sounds?

Pro: Arabic is going to be... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Pro: Arabic is going to be an important language for the forseeable future, in political, social, business, and religious contexts.

Pro: More high school kids learning Arabic could mean more soldiers who don't need interpreters.

Con: Federal money is being spent, without a say by the taxpayers.

Con: Making the course mandatory is problematic.

Con: A high school course in language is not usuallt the same quality as total-immersion courses used by the military to train field troops.

Con: Most high school language courses emphasize learning the culture. Given recent events, concern about indoctrination and propaganda by pro-Islamist activists is reasonable.

Con: Anything dropped into the curriculum without public discussion and debate smacks of a trick. Even if the idea has merit, it was submitted in a dubious fashion.

Gmac, I've asked you guys r... (Below threshold)

Gmac, I've asked you guys repeatedly to show the harm.

Please show how mandating children learn some Arabic, is any more horrible than mandating they learn about Spanish, or French, or any other language.

Thank you.

I stand here in th... (Below threshold)
I stand here in this comment section as a commoner, stating my beliefs in light of crappy biased media.

Great! Me too.

And as both of us are common and equal citizens, is my right and for the good of the nation for me to challenge you when I think you are wrong.

It is interesting to me that you take this as me putting myself "above" you. To me, it is putting myself as your equal.

Bowing as an American was never right- maybe it is being taught now but IS not correct.

I disagree. Deference to foreign customs is mere diplomatic politeness. You will find many examples of this from all leaders, of all nations, at all times, ever. It is in fact no different than Bush's actions. Sorry if you don't like that.

Now please allow me to highlight a key part of your next sentence.

And yes taking even the liberal magazines polling, a large portion of Americans consider themselves to be Christian

I think we can both agree that "A large portion" is not all.

Therefore this is not solely a Christian nation.

Therefore, both due to our founding document - which declares that there is no official national or state religion - AND due to our demographics, Obama is correct to state that ours is not a Christian nation.

What it seems like a lot of people take this as meaning, is saying that the US is **against** Christianity. And this is also not factual.

I'm sorry that you apparently think presenting facts you don't like, is being "full of bile".

I'm pretty sure I also didn't say anything about Sarah Palin.

I would like to ask for some facts for the rest of your statements. If we are both equals - and I think we are - then I should be able to ask you for some facts to back up your accusations. And you should be able to ask the same of me.

And I think we can also agree that accusing people of wanting to destroy America without actually having evidence, is not good for America.

Right?

DJ, I'd like to go through ... (Below threshold)

DJ, I'd like to go through your list. Which was rather fair on the pro side.

Con: Federal money is being spent, without a say by the taxpayers.

Which is the essence of any government. If all the liberals don't have an automatic veto about their taxes going to pay for invading Iraq, then conservatives don't have a say about money spent learning a language.

So that doesn't wash.

Con: Making the course mandatory is problematic.

Sure, okay. As long as no other languages are, fair enough. But if Spanish can be required, then Arabic can be required.

Con: A high school course in language is not usuallt the same quality as total-immersion courses used by the military to train field troops.

Irrelevant. Total-immersion military Spanish courses will be better too. Why would that make it bad to teach Spanish in high school?

So that doesn't wash either.

Con: Most high school language courses emphasize learning the culture. Given recent events, concern about indoctrination and propaganda by pro-Islamist activists is reasonable.

What recent events?

Please show how this will result in indoctrination.

Holy hell, if only kids were that easily indoctrinated. Then abstinence education might actually work. As well as "Just say no."

Guess what?

Con: Anything dropped into the curriculum without public discussion and debate smacks of a trick. Even if the idea has merit, it was submitted in a dubious fashion.

Sure, they could have discussed it. Seems like a bonehead move. I don't see how one town in Texas makes that a conspiracy, but let's say it is.

That still has no bearing on the harm of actually making kids learn Arabic, as opposed to being made to learn any other language.

Here's the thing: learning is GOOD for people. If people learn in a free society and can judge for themselves, then everyone benefits and the best ideas win.

Right?

I still haven't learned Spa... (Below threshold)
tomg51:

I still haven't learned Spanglish.

jim x...one post would for ... (Below threshold)
Michael Lang:

jim x...one post would for the drivel you a spewing here. Quantity does not reflect intelligence.

Jihad as a second language... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Jihad as a second language anyone?

Michael, please point out o... (Below threshold)

Michael, please point out one thing I've said which is factually incorrect.

I guess this means they wil... (Below threshold)
Don L:

I guess this means they will remove pig-Latin from the language curriculm now?

JimX: "DJ, I'd like to go ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

JimX: "DJ, I'd like to go through your list."

OK, let's have a look:

DJ: "Con: Federal money is being spent, without a say by the taxpayers."

JimX: "Which is the essence of any government."

Not really. Government needs to be cognizant of how its actions are viewed, especially in a nation where certain actions may provoke strong resistance. Just because you can do something on your own, does not make it a good idea.

JimX: "So that doesn't wash."

Jim, you lose a lot of credibility by pretending you have the right to say what is and is not valid as a point of argument. yes, it does 'wash', although you're not compelled to agree.

DJ: "Con: Making the course mandatory is problematic."

JimX: "Sure, okay. As long as no other languages are, fair enough. But if Spanish can be required, then Arabic can be required."

Agreed. Most school districts require students to learn a second language for at least 2 semesters, which I find appropriate. The thing is, the student should be able to choose the foreign language learned. How would you like to go back to when Latin was compulsory? Same logic as requiring any one specific language. It's a bad tactic, from the start.


DJ: "Con: A high school course in language is not usually the same quality as total-immersion courses used by the military to train field troops."

JimX: "Irrelevant. Total-immersion military Spanish courses will be better too. Why would that make it bad to teach Spanish in high school?"

You missed the point, Jim. It is relevant because of the 'pro' point I made about the value of learning the language. High-school level linguistics will lack the practicality of slang and social mood, and so these factors make high-school Arabic less effective than other alternatives. I recall my high school German was worlds apart from what was really spoken in Vienna or Munich.

JmiX: "So that doesn't wash either."

Sorry Jim, but that just comes off as a cheap attempt to deny a point you don't like, without any effort to address it honestly.

DJ: "Con: Most high school language courses emphasize learning the culture. Given recent events, concern about indoctrination and propaganda by pro-Islamist activists is reasonable."

JimX: "What recent events?"

Most social events involving Arabic dissent and violence from, say, 1979 through the present. Come on, Jim, you can't pretend to have lived under that big a rock!

Looks like the school is ba... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Looks like the school is backing off.

See Drudge.

"As part of language acquis... (Below threshold)
Carol:

"As part of language acquisition and development, the early grades would have elements of Arabic language within the framework of the state-mandated curriculum."

This doesn't look like it is entirely manditory to me.

Here they're taking kids who are impressionable and giving ALL kids in those grades Arabic language in some form or other. Indoctrination is what it is. Liberals control most of the public schools and we've seen how they have used the gay agenda against conservatives. Based on what liberals have already done there is no respect or trust that they will teach without biases and and without instilling THEIR morals and crazy beliefs about multiculturalism.

Gmac, I've asked y... (Below threshold)
Brett :
Gmac, I've asked you guys repeatedly to show the harm.

Please show how mandating children learn some Arabic, is any more horrible than mandating they learn about Spanish, or French, or any other language.

You are absolutely right. It's not any worse than mandating any foreign language. They should concentrate on English. They seem to have enough difficulty with that.

Although there are certainly some Arabic phrases that would be useful to the troops going over to fight them:

"Please stop raping that goat!"
"10-year olds are not marriage material, I don't care if Mohammed did it"
"Anybody who makes a suicide attack gets buried with a pig carcass"
"Women are your equals - or in most of your cases, your superiors"
"Your left hand isn't toilet paper"


The key is whether this is ... (Below threshold)
fustian:

The key is whether this is mandatory or not. I have no trouble with schools offering Arabic as a language. If I was in high school, I might even take it.

But making it mandatory is nonsense on a stick.

Also, in reference to the earlier discussion, greeting a foreign leader with a handshake and a quick buss on the cheek is quite different than bowing to one. My recollection is that everyone was fairly stunned when it happened.

One big problematic issue h... (Below threshold)
Carl:

One big problematic issue here is that in Arab countries, Islam is, in most cases, the only religion allowed. Most Arab countries laws, customs, and culture are based soley on Islamic law. One cannot separate teaching the culture of Arab countries from Islam. It is the lifeblood of it. Therefore, if one is teaching the culture and the language of Arab nations, one is also going to have to teach the religion of Islam along with it since, as I said before, you cannot separate the two.

DJ said:N... (Below threshold)

DJ said:

Not really. Government needs to be cognizant of how its actions are viewed, especially in a nation where certain actions may provoke strong resistance. Just because you can do something on your own, does not make it a good idea.

So, I want to be clear here. Do you think that US citizens who don't like the invasion of Iraq, should still have to pay taxes to support it?

Because it's the exact same issue - whether or not people should be able to decide where their taxes go, except through the choices of their selected representatives.

I admit that "doesn't wash" sounds a bit judgmental, and I apologize. What I mean to say is that, as a logical argument, it doesn't follow.

Either people should be able to choose where their tax money goes - in which case liberals should be able to decide not to have their taxes support the Iraq invasion. Or they should not - in which case the price to pay for having liberals pay for something they don't want, is that conservatives have to sometimes do this too.

Do you see what I mean?

As for Arabic vs. Spanish, I don't see how that argument works either. Just because it would be better if taught in the military, doesn't make it bad to be taught in high school. Any more than physical exercise will be more effective in the military makes it a bad idea to have gym class.

And, recent events since 1979? That really doesn't follow, sorry. What's that got to do with a language? Because Tim McVeigh blew up a few hundred people, we should be afraid to speak English? Of course not.

Teaching a language and a culture's habits is not indoctrination.

Jim X,1. Head of s... (Below threshold)

Jim X,

1. Head of state does not bow lower or at all to another head of state.
2.Head of State and wife do not touch a Royal personage.
What BHO did was not observance of Protocol it was violation of it.


3. German, Japanese, Korean, Icelandic , Chamoro and Tagalogic were not mandatory languages in American school systems even though for decades we had troops stationed and still reside in countries where those Languages were spoken. What about Pashto?

English is a Teutonic Language. It has words derived from Romance Languages. So the study of Latin and modern derivatives such as Spanish and French helps with etymology and vocabulary helps to strengthen students language skills, it also expose them to Western Culture and Modern European history.

Getting Oil from Saudi Araba is not new. NASA had to an out reach to Arab world on Past Accomplishment.
India and China both have faster growing economies than most the Arab world combined. Singapore was voted most favorable place todo Business. So why not Chinese or Hindi a language of the future?

Option OK
Mandatory makes no sense.
Saying we need it because troops are stationed in the Arab world makes no sense since we never mandated the learning of other countries we have troops stationed in.
Other Languages wold provide better academic foundation?

1. Head of state ... (Below threshold)
1. Head of state does not bow lower or at all to another head of state.

Here's a pic of Bush bowing to a Saudi:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too[link]

Here's a pic of Bush bowing to the Pope - who as head of the Vatican is also a head of state:
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/images/bush_bow.jpg

Here's a pic of Nixon bowing:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Rl9b6-n2sKE/TKFIOThSk5I/AAAAAAAABfg/FqvVAhdlawk/s1600/nixon-bows.jpg

2.Head of State and wife do not touch a Royal personage.

Well, I believe that kissing and holding hands counts as touching, does it not?

So is that not an equal violation of the touching protocol? Yes or no?

3. German, Japanese, Korean, Icelandic , Chamoro and Tagalogic were not mandatory languages in American school systems even though for decades we had troops stationed and still reside in countries where those Languages were spoken. What about Pashto?

How many wars are we currently involved in, in any of those areas?

If WWII lasted 10 years with no end in sight, you'd better believe it would be a good idea for kids to start learning Japanese - so we could get translators over there and help us win.

Give it up jim x....you are... (Below threshold)
Michael Lang:

Give it up jim x....you are losing this battle.

You know what? I probably a... (Below threshold)

You know what? I probably am. I am here posting facts, and I have yet to have a single person here prove me wrong on any one of them.

Which is basically the way it has often gone here. So why should I even bother?

It just so galls me that there is so much wrong information out there - not even interpretation, not even opinion, just **factually wrong** information. And it SO easily shown to be wrong.

But it doesn't seem to ever make any headway. It's like it pauses your thinking at best - but a few months later, it's like you've erased all contact with the facts that you don't like.

Like the links above. If you guys haven't seen them before, you've certainly seen them now.

Several months from now, Will you guys go on repeating that no President before Obama has ever bowed to another head of state?

And more importantly, will you view with skepticism all the media sources that **tell you** no President before Obama has ever done this?

Or will you go back to viewing things the way you want to - in direct contradiction of the facts?

Whats next? A call to praye... (Below threshold)
914:

Whats next? A call to prayer instead of recess?


Face it folks, the dems are on bended knee before the religion of violence. Barry does the bowing and they sign the checks.

The State Dept and t... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:


The State Dept and the Armed Forces place a high value and swift promotions to those proficient in second and third languages. Arabic and it's dialects are greatly valued. What exactly is wrong with you people? Go head back under the bed folks it's the scary Muslims. What a bunch of backward sissies.

This is pretty funny. First... (Below threshold)
john:

This is pretty funny. First jimx posts:

Facts don't really seem to sway people here.

Then Tina posts a link showing that Arabic course is and never was mandatory (which someone bizarrely tries to invalidate by noting that "the curriculum-writing process has stopped", as if that's somehow related).

And then as if to prove jimx right... everyone just keeps on posting that the course is mandatory!

If I didn't know better, I'd say many of the right-wing commenters here are really jimx sock puppets trying to make himself look good.

Want a very intere... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:

Want a very interesting job with the CIA? Learn Arabic. Get a ticket out of Texas.

You know what? I p... (Below threshold)
Brett :
You know what? I probably am. I am here posting facts, and I have yet to have a single person here prove me wrong on any one of them.

None of your facts is at all relevant to the point of the article, which is about using taxpayer money to force kids to learn an irrelevant foreign language. That's why most of us find them, and your comments, beside the point.

Brett, if you look at posts... (Below threshold)
jim x:

Brett, if you look at posts 7,10, 29, 43 and 45, among others, you will see specific arguments re: this evil plot to make our kids all Muslim-y by teaching them a language.

"Brett, if you look ... (Below threshold)
914:


"Brett, if you look at posts 7,10, 29, 43 and 45, among others, you will see specific arguments re: this evil plot to make our kids all Muslim-y by teaching them a language."


What are You? An ambassador from the Saudi family to the public school system?

There is no need for this crap, especially taxpayer funded. Now, go fix me pot pie.

Brett, if you look... (Below threshold)
Brett :
Brett, if you look at posts 7,10, 29, 43 and 45, among others, you will see specific arguments re: this evil plot to make our kids all Muslim-y by teaching them a language.

That's precisely what it is. Note that the proposal:

"The school district wanted students at selected schools to take Arabic language and culture classes as part of a federally funded grant."

Straight from the original article, i.e. A FACT. Arabic culture = Islamic dogma. They can't teach basic math and English skills, why in the name of God are they running classes for foreign languages? Far better to take the same money and and beef up the ROTC program or start a rifle team.

Whether or not Bush (or Obama) bowed to someone sometime, or whatever asinine side arguments might be going on, is not relevant to that point.

Wow.Well, Brett, i... (Below threshold)

Wow.

Well, Brett, if you care to look through the rest of the chain, you'll see that my statements re: bowing were in response to someone else's bringing false information in.

But as back to teaching Arabic language, well, if you think kids learning Arabic means their instant and irrevocable auto-conversion to Islam, I give up.

I mean I actually don't know what to say to that. That's like, wow, ok, like saying that learning the metric system means automatic conversion to socialism.

Learning ABOUT something doesn't mean automatic conversion TO that something. Right?

Does learning about jazz bands automatically turn you into Charlie Parker? Does watching "Roots" automatically make you black? Does listening to the Beatles automatically make you Paul McCartney?

What are You? An a... (Below threshold)
What are You? An ambassador from the Saudi family to the public school system?

If I say that I am, does that mean I get to kiss Bush on the lips and hold his hand?

Jim X,1 The cours... (Below threshold)
hcddbz :

Jim X,

1 The course was mandatory in two schools and optional in 2.
My issue is mandating of the culture and Language in 2 schools. It also the fact that the School went through the entire process of doing it without informing the Parents. As far as state department and military you get for any foreign language. When I was in the Navy i did it for speaking German. I took japanese class while stationed in Japan.
In the *0 everyone though Japan was the next economic juggernaut yet it was not mandated to be taught in schools here.
We have had Army ,Marine, Navy and Air Force troops stationed in Japan, Germany, since World War II.
In korea since he Korean war.

Guam is protectorate of the USA.

The USA was fighting in Philippines basically from 1898 to 1916. We then had bases there from then until the mid 1990s. Yet we did not mandate Tagalog . Hell the Philippines was the only country where citizens could join the US military serve 20 and retire in there country without becoming US citizens.

In the past the mandatory teaching of language had nothing to do with US military deployment of forces or wars being waged. The programs is k-12 are we going to bring the draft back so that we bring them in the US military when they turn 18?

WHich Arabic will be taught there are multiple dialects of it.
Well they Learn Iraq Arabic? (But we are pulling out of Iraq?)
Will it be Pashto the language spoken in Afghanistan?
Or will it be Classic Arabic the Language of the Quran?

So the three languages of the future are Arabic Russian and Chinese.

CHinese I can understand.
Arabic and Russian not so much.
This again means the whole hogwash about Arabic being chosen because of Military commitments goes out the window, unless we are invading Russia and China soon.

2.Why does the Saudi King have his hands raised as if putting something around the Neck of George Bush. If it was standard bow of respect the leaders hands would be at his side. Would love to see the actual context of that picture.

3. Nixon Bow is the right way to Bow. If you see my post I said does not bow lower. When you Bow you both keep eyes on the other person and you bow at the same time. Bowing to the waist to another head of state is a sign of subservience. Bowing at the same time with eyes open is a sign of mutual respect among heads of state.

Boy, I see a lot of wasted ... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Boy, I see a lot of wasted effort to educate Jim X.

Give it up guys, Jim X is beyond help. He's best left alone and his posts ignored. Maybe then he'll go back to Kos and DU and play with his virtual libtard commie friends.

Jim all your links to Bush ... (Below threshold)
Rich:

Jim all your links to Bush and Nixon bowing are ridiculous compared to what Obama did. Ducking ones head to receive a medal is not bowing. Obama did the same thing for the same Saudi,but it was very different from the deference he displayed on their first meeting or the over deep bow to the Japanese.
The other two images have no reference at all as to what is happening. Is Nixon just leaning a little forward to hear the Chinese. Is Bush looking down to make sure he is not stepping on the Popes skirt or receiving a blessing or laughing at a joke?
I have no idea about the touching of a royal person. You can't shake their hands? What if they reach out to shake your hand or touch you in some way?
I don't really see those as very strong "facts" for everyone here to suddenly see the liberal light and accept everything you say as reality.
Comparing the war to a mandatory language? Providing the funds that keep our soldiers alive and functional in a war or spending money to force students to learn a language? I am finding that to be an extremely easy choice.

Something, I think it's Com... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Something, I think it's Common Sense, is screaming at me to let this thread die the death it's headed for, but I'd like to make one last effort to bring Jim up to speed and give him a chance to prove he can manage a decent conversation as an adult.

First off Jim, I appreciate you backing off the 'won't wash' comment, even if you did so only halfway and still tried to defend what is basically a cheap shot. Some things said, on both sides, detract from the quality of the discussion and, to my mind, prove pettiness and nothing good about the poster. We all say things we regret or wish we had phrased better, but some folks are just out to impress themselves and attack the other side. We don't need that, and in fact are better off all around if we can stick to the substance.

With that in mind, why all the kissing and bowing references? All it does is make you look like one of those loons who still - long after he left office - obsess over W like a psycho stalker. Not the best image for selling your point of view, I think. Consider what you think of the guy who still believes Obama did not win the election fairly, just because of the whole 'birther' argument. Yep, when you start trying to trash W, you're the intellectual twin of the birther idiot. Think it through.

Now, it's over-the-top to say that folks are arguing that the Arabic classes are an attempt to destroy America. That's not the argument, and claiming so is dishonest. The problem is that many Americans consider mandatory instruction in Arabic language and culture to be an insult to their own culture, especially given the lack of assimilation by many Muslims. It's not that Muslims speak and dress and act differently that's the problem, it's that many come to non-Arabic nations and expect their culture to dominate the country they come to. As in, gays get beaten up in Amsterdam by Muslim gangs. As in, French authorities face riots from Muslims angry because non-Muslims in France drink during Ramadan. As in, Muslims are determined to build a large mosque in New York at Ground Zero, an act of terrorism perpetuated to advance 'Jihad' by Muslim extremists. And the Muslims react to every perceived and imagined slight, demanding that they be given every consideration while showing none at all to their host culture. It's uncivil, indecent in many ways, and people have the right to speak out against it.

You and Tina insist that the course is not actually mandatory. However, the issue was presented in the news as mandatory and as of yet the school district has not conclusively shown this is not the case. Yes, Tina has a link, but so did the original poster and a simple Google search shows the question is far from decided and the point of mandatory requirement is essential to the complaint. Therefore, until the mandatory component of the course is removed or proven a false claim, discussion of that point is reasonable and completely germane.

I just read through the com... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I just read through the comment section. The very glaring "fact" I see is Jim X stating his views on language as fact. Jim X, when you debate it is mostly opinion but if you say you use facts use them. DJ gave you are very good counter to your "facts". You come back with "do I have to pay for Iraq". That is silly. The curriculum of schools is a very touchy subject for most CARING parents and the CARING parents want a voice in what is being taught to their kids. That is not radical nor does it have any political lines. They are parents. Then when something is mandated by a school board without a fair hearing and venting process, DJ is absolutely correct in that it automatically caused and uproar by the CARING parents.

I would even go on to say it is the same problem with Obamacare. It was not vetted, both sides were not heard, it was just rammed down our throats. Had the left played by the established rules and a compromised bill was actually agreed on, we would not be seeing the conservative and independent votes wanting to see the whole thing go away.

Who bows and who kisses who doesn't matter to me. It just reflects the self image who bows to another. I am equal to all people so I will not bow to any. ww

The program is now on hold ... (Below threshold)
oldpuppymax:

The program is now on hold and might NOT be implemented at all. The district will be giving the federal BRIBE money back. Apparently outraged parents DO have a little input--except, of course, in Kalifornia.

jin x-"Learning AB... (Below threshold)
914:

jin x-

"Learning ABOUT something doesn't mean automatic conversion TO that something. Right?"


Does reading 'Rules for Radicals' right after 'My pet Goat' make Barry a convert?

I'd say yes.

But as back to tea... (Below threshold)
Brett :
But as back to teaching Arabic language, well, if you think kids learning Arabic means their instant and irrevocable auto-conversion to Islam, I give up.

Listen I know you are a liberal and if this was in person I would speak slowly so you could understand. So, read carefully, one at a time, and try to get it this time, If you need help, I marked words that you might need to look up in a dictionary

This is a strawman* argument.

No one said that this would result in Islamic conversion.

What it does is create a legitimacy* to Islamic dogma*.

That is bad for America* because Islamic Dogma is intrinsically* incompatible* with the ideals* of America.

Things that are bad for America should not be funded by Americans.

Things that are bad for America should not be taught in schools.

Things that are bad for America should not be given legitimacy by an arm of the government.

We should teach things that are good for America.

Things like the English language and mathematics are good for America.

Schools currently do a very bad job of teaching these things.

I suggest we should spend less time teaching things that are bad for America and more time teaching things that are good for America.

I love how liberals always ... (Below threshold)
John:

I love how liberals always fall to the but Bush did it too defense of Obama. I thought, in fact, I'm sure that we were told that Obama was NOT BUSH. I thought Obama was a new kind of politician. I thought Bush was evil and here I find that the stuff the Obama does is the very same stuff that Bush did.... odd that. Could you guys lower the bar any more?

I love how liberal... (Below threshold)
Brett :
I love how liberals always fall to the but Bush did it too defense of Obama

The underlying theory being, apparently, that if you are a Republican and/or conservative, you were a rabid and unblinking Bush supporter. This us a function of the liberal mind needing to stereotype and categorize everyone and everything so it fits properly into their Marxist world view.

I have A LOT of problems with what Bush did, particularly towards the end. The one thing that I think he was unabashedly right about (as subsequent events have borne out) was a clear and correct view about how to deal with terrorists, and the countries that support it. Not enough follow-through, but the idea was certainly correct. but he fell prey to panic on the domestic spending front (although he looks like Calvin Coolidge compared to the "Malignant Narcissist in Chief"). And had far too much tendency to try to curry foreign favor - which didn't work, obviously, and WON'T work as long as we are grossly superior, culturally and morally, to the rest of the world. Obama certainly seems to have a plan for that...

Same thing with Republican party. They are as much a part of the problem as the Democrats, at least on a national level. The Democrats and liberals will always, repeat, ALWAYS, fail, when they show their true nature to the American public. But people stick with the Republican party based on a perception, frequently wrong, that Republican leaders represent the same fundamental values they do. They seem, for the most part, to be equally corrupt, and almost indistinguishably as liberal, as the Democrats. They could shut down most of the government in a few weeks if they wanted to - like a whole lot of Americans *want*. But they have as much stake in the status quo as everybody else currently embedded in that cesspool.

1 The course was m... (Below threshold)
1 The course was mandatory in two schools and optional in 2.

And?

Let's say that's the case. That weakens the country for an Islamic takeover how, exactly?

Is being an extremist radical Muslim such obvious awesome fun, that any kids who take some Arabic will immediately want to throw on burquas and strap bombs to themselves?

In the *0 everyone though Japan was the next economic juggernaut yet it was not mandated to be taught in schools here.

OK, sure. So it might not be as useful to learn Arabic as people might think.

That still doesn't make teaching the language some speartip of an Islamic extremist invasion of Texas. Which is how people are reacting in fear here.

I've asked you guys to show me the harm. Kids learning something they might not use isn't a harm. If that was true, then it would also be a harm to re require kids to learn Algebra.

The USA was fighting in Philippines basically from 1898 to 1916.

With what percentage of our population and effort? Nowhere near what we're expending in the Middle East right now.

Besides, we also didn't have compulsory public education in all states until at least the 1930's.

The Korean war might have provided a better case for a non-western language to be taught in our schools. But that had already wrapped up in seven years with our troops pulled out. We're still stationed in these Middle Eastern countries.

WHich Arabic will be taught there are multiple dialects of it.

Who knows? You're right, they certainly couldn't cover much information. Which is even more reason not to be freaked out by some hypothetical Islamic extremist indoctrination program.

2.Why does the Saudi King have his hands raised as if putting something around the Neck of George Bush. If it was standard bow of respect the leaders hands would be at his side. Would love to see the actual context of that picture.

Okay, google it. Just put "Bush bows to Saudis" into the search box.


3. Nixon Bow is the right way to Bow. If you see my post I said does not bow lower.


No, that's not what your comment says. If you go up and read it, # 44, you say:

Head of state does not bow lower or at all to another head of state.
Ducking ones head ... (Below threshold)
Ducking ones head to receive a medal is not bowing.

Let's say that's true.

I think it's pretty clear, that if Obama ever lowered his head to receive a medal from an Islamic head of state, the entire Right Wing Blogosphere, talk radio network, and broadcasting centre would freak the frak out.

Obama did the same thing for the same Saudi,

No he did not. As is clear from the pictures, he put the medal on himself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/world/middleeast/04saudi.html

Which has him showing LESS deference to a foreign head of state than Bush did.

but it was very different from the deference he displayed on their first meeting or the over deep bow to the Japanese.

What we are *now* discussing is the *degree* of deference, not *any* deference. So, that's a reasonable starting point for a discussion.

But to suggest that a President showing ANY deference to other heads of state is anything more than expected (and reciprocated) diplomatic politeness, is out of step with the facts.

So hopefully we're in agreement here that some deference is historically present - because I have shown that it is.

The other two images have no reference at all as to what is happening.

Great! Google them. Enter "Nixon bows" and "bush bows", just like I did.

I have no idea about the touching of a royal person.

Okay, fine. But both Obama and Bush have touched royal people who are heads of state. So either both Obama and Bush are wrong, or both are okay.

Comparing the war to a mandatory language? Providing the funds that keep our soldiers alive and functional in a war or spending money to force students to learn a language? I am finding that to be an extremely easy choice.

Of course you do. My position is: they're both just fine. But my larger point is: if we're all equals in America, then the same principles apply to both liberals and conservatives alike.

Therefore if liberals aren't allowed to do whatever they want with their taxes, then conservatives aren't either.

Is there something that seems unfair or wrong about that?

Something, I think... (Below threshold)
Something, I think it's Common Sense, is screaming at me to let this thread die the death it's headed for,

Now you know how I feel.

With that in mind, why all the kissing and bowing references?

Because people are saying inaccurate things about Obama's showing deference at all - OR even touching a royal person. So I'm bringing that up to show:

a) that they are not applying the same rules to Bush
b) that **the world** does not apply these rules to either Bush or Obama.

Think it through.

I have.

I invite you to do the same.

Why do you skip over those who make the arguments that "heads of state are never to touch each other" - and focus in only on how I disprove those arguments?

Now, it's over-the-top to say that folks are arguing that the Arabic classes are an attempt to destroy America. That's not the argument, and claiming so is dishonest.

Oh, really? dishonest.

Have you read the article at the top?

Far enough to begin mandating Arabic language classes in the public schools in one Texas town. And the program is based upon a federally funded program no less. Which means that it will be coming to a school system near you soon.

Our tax dollars are continuing to fund the destruction and deterioration of our nation, its morals and its heritage and this program was funded and begun by this president and the Pelosi led Congress.

Do the words "destruction and deterioration" exist in that paragraph, or not?

Now read Brett at # 55. I made an intentionally absurd statement,

you will see specific arguments re: this evil plot to make our kids all Muslim-y by teaching them a language.

and he AGREES WITH IT.

That's precisely what it is.

So. Can you read those above examples? If you can, you should immediately retract your accusation of me being dishonest.

Which leaves aside the implication of nearly every other post, that teaching Arabic is any more negative for children then wasting their time wood shop if they're not all going to be carpenters.


The problem is that many Americans consider mandatory instruction in Arabic language and culture to be an insult to their own culture,

Okay. But why is that problem more important than what liberals consider to be an insult to American cutlure?

Why is it wrong for conservatives' taxes to go to something they don't want - but it's just fine for liberals taxes to go to something liberals don't want?

We can and should have one set of laws and policies for liberals AND conservatives. If liberals don't get to have their tax dollars go towards whatever they want, then conservatives shouldn't get to do that either.

It's uncivil, indecent in many ways, and people have the right to speak out against it.

Sure, and of course. These parents have every right to complain to their schoolboards about anything they want, and put pressure on the members, and do any number of different things.

That just is a completely separate issue of "people's tax dollars shouldn't go to something they don't like." That has to either be universally true *including liberals*, or it just doesn't work.

You and Tina insist that the course is not actually mandatory.

That's not quite me. My position is, even if the course is mandatory it's not worth anywhere near this foo-foo-rah because learning languages and even about other cultures actually causes no tangible harm, ever.

DJ gave you are ve... (Below threshold)
DJ gave you are very good counter to your "facts". You come back with "do I have to pay for Iraq". That is silly.

I think you misunderstood my argument.

DJ was saying that people shouldn't have to pay taxes for things that they don't like. I was attempting to point out to him that it's probably fine with him, when **liberals** have their taxes go towards things **liberals** don't like.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Basically, if we're all supposed to be equals in this country, then we all should have the same legal rights. This extends towards taxes. Therefore, if conservatives can do x, liberals should be able to do x also.

The curriculum of schools is a very touchy subject for most CARING parents and the CARING parents want a voice in what is being taught to their kids.

Of course. I understand that.

When when something is mandated by a school board without a fair hearing and venting process, DJ is absolutely correct in that it automatically caused and uproar by the CARING parents.

Well I have never seen a big deal like this made out of a course offering that might have affected 4 small schools, total. So I don't really see how it's merely that this course could have been mandated. It seems clear the issue is *what* would have been mandated - and it seems to me the issue is this fear that Islam is going to take over America.

And the notion that this could occur because of a freakin' high school language class, is absolute nonsense. There is no high school course EVER that has had that effect. As I brought up previously, "Just Say No" didn't even have any effect.

Health Care Reform is a whole 'nother subject that I'm sure neither of us really want to get into right now.

Brett: your own advice woul... (Below threshold)

Brett: your own advice would do well for you.

...So, read carefully, one at a time...
.

Go read post # 55, on this page.

No one said that this would result in Islamic conversion.
.

No, YOU said it.

When I said something intentionally absurd, that this was an "evil plot to make our kids all Muslim-y" YOU said "That's precisely what it is."

Go read it again.

If that was NOT what you were agreeing with, then what WERE you agreeing with?

What it does is create a legitimacy* to Islamic dogma*.

No it does not.

Any more than teaching German creates a legitimacy for Nazi dogma.

That is all 100% in your head and not in reality. Seriously. Teaching a language or even facts about a culture **does not do those things**.

If it did, then teaching Aztec culture would indoctrinate people into Aztec culture. Etc. etc. for any culture OR language, ever.

Things that are bad for America should not be...

Sure. Agreed with all of that.

But learning a language is not bad for America.

Things like the English language and mathematics are good for America.

Sure. And that could be taught more, and better. And sciences too, especially computer science.

But learning Arabic is simply no better or worse than learning any other language, as far as this "creating legitimacy" is concerned.

I love how liberal... (Below threshold)
I love how liberals always fall to the but Bush did it too defense of Obama. I thought, in fact, I'm sure that we were told that Obama was NOT BUSH.

That just means you're misunderstanding the argument.

See what's happening is,

1. Conservatives are saying "Obama is awful because NO PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER (latest outrage)".

2. Liberals say, "We really don't think that's bad. ***But if it is so bad***, why didn't you hate it when Bush did it?"

I think what you might be missing is the "if it is so bad" part.

What a lot of liberals *themselves* don't like about Obama, *is* when he is doing the same things Bush did. There, we do feel let down that Obama is being Bush. The difference is, these are nearly all things conservatives don't seem to mind - warrantless wiretapping, "waterboarding", etc.

Jim X. An... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Jim X.

And?

Let's say that's the case. That weakens the country for an Islamic takeover how, exactly?

Is being an extremist radical Muslim such obvious awesome fun, that any kids who take some Arabic will immediately want to throw on burquas and strap bombs to themselves?

Where in any of my comments did I make that statement.

This is in response to you stating that it was not Mandatory when it was.

This is not just Language but forcing an American public school children to not look at American Culture but Arab culture as normal.
Why?

The Mansfield ISD plans to use grant money to start a program that would look at almost every subject from an Arab perspective, but Monday was the first time they've explained it to parents.

The question is why did the School District not provide the Lesson Plan to the Parents? In order to get the grant the School had to provide the Lesson. So it has to exist. Why not just turn it over? The problem is simple there is no transparency.

We are still stationed in Japan and Korea.

We have 47K troops stationed in Japan.
52K Dependents
5.5K DOD Workers
This i number decrease but as you tell we have good number of Americans directly in the Military and supporting them in Japan. This of course does not include American Civilians working in the Japan or American employees of Japanese Companies. Like Sony, Hitachi, Toyota etc

South Korea has 28K troops
Now numbers are in Flux as SOF and movement of troops to from Iraq occurs. This does not include dependents and other personal. Also traditionally we keep troops levels at 50% of Base numbers so that we can build up quickly if need to counter NK aggression.

US Troops in Iraq as of Nov 2010
48K

US Troops Afghanistan
94K Now going forward troop numbers will go down as we draw down troops at the end of that period will we have as many bases as in Mainland Japan and the prefecture of Okinawa Japan?

So based on your reasoning it should be Pashto, Japanese, Iraq Arabic , Korean.

Jim you do see the use of the word OR Depending on the occasion or head of state some do not bow at all.


Jim X.So after 193... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Jim X.

So after 1934 we should have mandated Tagalog as the two largest Military bases were Located in the Philippines.

BTW you do know that Clark Air Force Base in Angles City Philippines 1903-1991 Was the largest overseas military base.

1898-1998 Largest Naval Base in the outside the USA. Was Largest Military base after Clark closed.

Where in any of my... (Below threshold)
Where in any of my comments did I make that statement.

You didn't. I confused you with someone else. My apologies.

This is not just Language but forcing an American public school children to not look at American Culture but Arab culture as normal. Why?

From the text you quoted, it doesn't seem to me that the perspective is "American culture is not normal, and Arab culture is". It seems like it's more like, "When someone in an Arab culture sees this, this is what they think."

And that is the valuable part of learning - **understanding what people in foreign cultures might be thinking***. That doesn't mean agreeing with them. It just means you understand them better - so you're better able to interact with them to your own benefit.

Not handing the lesson plans over to parents or letting them know this was coming up was stupid, no question. I just don't see how that indicates it's some sort of plot. If you don't think it's a plot either, then great.

But as for the troops we have overseas - how many of them in Japan or Korea are ***in combat***? Zero. Which is also how many were in combat in the Phillipines after 1916. For what that's worth. So no, it would have been a dumb thing to encourage Tagalog after 1934 - there wasn't and isn't any pressing need for those languages.

We are still in Afghanistan after 10 years and Iraq after 8. As previously noted, the Korean war was over in 7 years and WWII was over in 4.

Jum x, There is ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Jum x,

There is not a high % of American School Children that Join the military and even of that % there is not a high % of them being engaged in combat. So how does mandating Arabic thinking in K-8 help US Military unless we are Fighting there for another 12 years.

What will you do to a K,1,2,3 student to get them to think about Arab culture. They not had enough time to develop The "American Viewpoint".
Who will create the Arab view point? How will it be validated? When they do current events will they need to watch Al-Zahra?

jimx - I was going to try t... (Below threshold)
Brett :

jimx - I was going to try to actually respond, but it's clear that you are intentionally or naturally playing dumb to get people to respond to you. Everybody else here seems to be able to grasp the fundamentals of communication. Maybe you ought to try Arabic.

Well Brett, since it was yo... (Below threshold)

Well Brett, since it was your claim that "no one" said something, and I then in fact showed that **you** did, it certainly seems a stretch for you to call my posts "playing dumb". Unless "playing dumb" means "proving you wrong".

But that's in essence why I stopped posting here.

I'm done. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway. Believe that this was a Democratic Liberal plot to weaken our country for socialism by making our children speak Arabic so Obama can fulfill his secret plot of...whatever you like.

Or just believe that conservatives *should* have a say in where their taxes go, but liberals *shouldn't*.

And while you're at it, think contrary to photographic and historical evidence that Obama is the only US President who has ever given a diplomatic bow to another head of state.

I guess I just had to see how it was going to play, with a subject as blatantly symbolic and devoid of real-world impact as whether or not some small Texas schools teach a foreign language.

And now I know.




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