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Mubarak out, military in, Obama leadership spin begins

Rather than update yesterday's post, I thought I'd pop up a fresh one.

Via MSNBC:

Egyptian Vice President Omar Suleiman took to the cameras and made a quick statement, saying Hosni Mubarak had stepped down and handed off power to the military.

Here's AP:

Egypt's Hosni Mubarak resigned as president and handed control to the military on Friday, bowing down after a historic 18-day wave of pro-democracy demonstrations by hundreds of thousands. ... 'In these grave circumstances that the country is passing through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to leave his position as president of the republic," a grim-looking Suleiman said. "He has mandated the Armed Forces Supreme Council to run the state. God is our protector and succor."

...

A Democratic official said in an e-mail that this is "great news for the admin/president - people will remember - despite some fumbles yesterday - that the President played an excellent hand, walked the right line and that his statement last night was potentially decisive in brining this issue to a close. The situation remains complicated and delicate going forward - but this is a huge affirmation of the President's leadership on the international stage."

Prudent observers, rabid Obama supporters notwithstanding, might note that it's way too early to be claiming victory here.

Let's hope for the best.  Let's prepare for the worst.

Unfortunately, to expect that from the Obama administration is to believe in fairy dust and unicorns.

Sigh.


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The next step is Obama brok... (Below threshold)
davidt:

The next step is Obama brokering or at least claiming credit for the formation of a coalition government. This new coalition will include the Muslim Brotherhood, who will then seize control.

Iran redux.


My comment on an earlier th... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

My comment on an earlier thread is a winner!
"I'll take Military Dictatorship for $2,000 Alex."

I wouldn't look for the MB to have ANY involvement in the new regime.

The (P)resident will try to spin this as a positive development as will any of his minions that have speculated on the developments there that they misjudged and mishandled.

Other country leaders will snicker and laugh privately and hold the (P)resident in lower esteem.

Rick:"Let's hope f... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Rick:

"Let's hope for the best. Let's prepare for the worst."

I agree with you. I think a certain measure of guarded optimism is in order. Or hopeful skepticism? Something like that. It can go many ways at this point. There are good signs about the democratic nature of these events, but the real test starts now, as the battle for power ensues. It's certainly no easy task to transform a police state into a representative democracy--that's for sure.

So any bets on how long the... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

So any bets on how long the military will be "in temporary control"?

I hope this works out well.... (Below threshold)
914:

I hope this works out well. Who was it that said something about the seeds of democracy spreading in the middle east?

"So any bets on how long th... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"So any bets on how long the military will be "in temporary control"?"

They've been in control since '52. I don't see any foreseeable changes other than who they stick in the leadership role as titular head of state.

Let's remember that the eff... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Let's remember that the efforts to foster democratic civic groups and institutions were under the Bush Administration and cut back or eliminated by the Obama regime.

The hapless buffoon and his cast of clowns have been completely clueless throughout this crisis, and now they want credit?

To support Obama, you have to be either completely stupid, a racist black supporting him solely due to skin color, or a Marxist.

Of course, you might be all... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Of course, you might be all three . . .

Biden just said that the ad... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Biden just said that the administration spoke with only one voice -he neglected to mention that they used many different tongues - all of them were forked.(a little native American movie lingo there)

"Prudent observers, rabi... (Below threshold)
Woop:

"Prudent observers, rabid Obama supporters notwithstanding, might note that it's way too early to be claiming victory here."

So, your own repeated, childish attempts to paint every move of Obama's on this subject over the last few weeks as a monumental disaster for democracy and the future of the free world weren't "way too early", eh?

Well, now we see that they were indeed too early, and nothing more than just made up bullshit.

What an idiot.

Unlike Obama, it i... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Unlike Obama, it is been like reading tea leaves here, but based on their editorial comments or lack of them, the last two weeks, wizbangs posters-don´t actually take a stand on something very important, Wizbang´s line for the Egyptian people, if they had been in the White House, would have been something like this, "poor oppressed Egyptians, there are more important things than your hopeless individual lives and deaths, like the maintenance of a forty billion dollar kleptocracy and brutal dictatorship in order to sustain a special relationship with the USA and Israel, while at the same time we get to repeatably lecture you about your lack of freedoms, for example, Jay´s admonition, that Israel is the only *democracy in the Middle East".

Six years ago, when there was a different president in the White House, and the costs and risks of American involvement were much greater, wizbang was giddy and gung ho about "shaking tyrants and dictators out of their sinecures and letting loose the tide of freedom" through the Middle East by sending hundreds of billions, even trillions of American taxpayers dollars.

So if a wizbang endorsed candidate gets back into the White House, say a tea party candidate, it will be back to endlessly talking about freedom and our founding fathers who stood up to a tyrant, and a policy of very likely invading, in the Middle East with American troops, all in effort to spread freedom, the conservative `shock and awe version, of the Egyptian natural people´s power. I wonder which is the better policy?

Let 'em claim all the laure... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Let 'em claim all the laurels they want. This blows up in their faces - we can then watch the Foggy Bottom 2-Step as they try to distance themselves.

Biden just said... (Below threshold)
Biden just said that the administration spoke with only one voice
The one inside his head, no doubt.
Woop writes:<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Rick Author Profile Page:

Woop writes:

So, your own repeated, childish attempts to paint every move of Obama's on this subject over the last few weeks as a monumental disaster for democracy and the future of the free world weren't "way too early", eh? Well, now we see that they were indeed too early, and nothing more than just made up bullshit. What an idiot.

You got links to substantiate the charge there Woop?

Or are you just making shit up?

Seems to me you're projecting.

Idiot.

"this is a huge affirmation... (Below threshold)
Pile of Pooh:

"this is a huge affirmation of the President's leadership on the international stage."

Um... I'm sorry, did I sleep through that bit? It looked to me like he was flopping around on the floor in a panic, hoping someone would come along and stick him back in the fish bowl.

"It looked to me like he wa... (Below threshold)
Hank:

"It looked to me like he was flopping around on the floor in a panic, hoping someone would come along and stick him back in the fish bowl."

That's what the Presidents leadership looks like.

But the facts don't matter, it's all about the narrative.

It has been correctly noted... (Below threshold)
Oldflyer:

It has been correctly noted that the military has been in control since 1952.

I expect that they will find it very hard to relinquish control to unknown entities. This has a long way to go yet.

Woop, you may recall that old adage, that " even a blind sow finds and acorn occasionally". So events finally caught up with Obama's mouth. Big deal. Despite your mean-spirited and profane comments, I expect that most folks at Wizbang hopes this turns out ok. The stakes are just too high.

Besides there are more than enough domestic issues for Obama and his cohorts to answer for in 2012.

The absolute shame and emba... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

The absolute shame and embarrassment of having this buffoon playacting as the president of our country is almost more than one can bear. That anyone at all in this administration should should start crowing about their magnificent accomplishments (wha. . .huh?. . .where. . .wha's happenin' over there anyway???) comes close upon the administration's confusion, ignorance and lack of any ideas at all.

The "little 0" has contributed in a manner very much like the CIA (muslim brotherhood? Isn't that Egypt's version of the Boy Scouts?). What a scene as the minions scuttle about like roaches when the lights are suddenly turned on, puffing up his legend, strewing rose petals on the carpet for him to tread upon as he struts about with his chin in the air, looking as important as he can muster up.

Snickering can be heard from coast to coast.

Wow Steve, I think the spit... (Below threshold)
epador:

Wow Steve, I think the spittle is blurring your thoughts and words there a bit.

Take a few more deep breaths.

Relax.

Then try to be just a bit more coherent. You can do it!

I know its kinda hard to not be so dizzy when you're spinning so hard.

Good luck to the Egyptians,... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Good luck to the Egyptians, it's their country, let them run it.

Maybe we can save some foreign aid money now that Mubarak's not ripping them off anymore.

Prudent observers, rabid... (Below threshold)
George:

Prudent observers, rabid Obama supporters notwithstanding, might note that it's way too early to be claiming victory here.

I agree. It is a far more delicate situation and poses many more challenges than say when the Soviet Union collapsed.

epador, it is partly from u... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

epador, it is partly from using a notebook in the dark in Europe, where I am traveling. Obama was very circumspect..too much in my opinion- and gained little except Mubarak paid him a undeserved compliment to Obama´s standing in the Arab street by complaining, he wasn´t going to accept any untoward foreign interference in Egypt´s affairs. I suppose Mubarak will be scandalized when the Swiss government starts looking into his Swisss bank accounts where he has stashed billions.

I am still wondering how wizbang wanted Obama to react? No one has answered that, just the sort of normal abusive criticism. Most pundits say he wasn´t tough enough, with the former Egyptian president, but I get the impression from this site Obama should have been more supportive of Mubarak, which would have been disastrous as we can now see!

One can only hop... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

One can only hope that Egypt turns out a fraction as well as Iraq--- the REAL fledgling democracy in the MidEast.

In the unlikely event it does transpire, the world can thank W, who started the whole thing.

At any rate, the best outcome would be for the Obama administration to stay well clear, Egypt will have enough to contend with as it is.

"I am still wondering how w... (Below threshold)
914:

"I am still wondering how wizbang wanted Obama to react? No one has answered that,"


The less this guy does the better. So, keep his distance and try not to make it about him, or use it to stay in office.

That, I know is impossible for Barry.

Fact: Until Wikileaks gets ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Fact: Until Wikileaks gets their hands on this round of State Department cables, nobody has a clue as to what was said or not said behind the scenes.

Fact: Our Middle East policy would not be as screwed up as it is, if all the true experts on the region weren't spending their time posting blog comments.

Steve wrote: "I am still wo... (Below threshold)
Pile of Pooh:

Steve wrote: "I am still wondering how wizbang wanted Obama to react?"

That's the problem, Steve; he was having to react. That's because he and his SecState ignored repeated warnings from foreign policy workgroups that a huge problem was brewing in Egypt. This dates back almost a year. If he and Clinton had acted behind the scenes, they could have headed off this entire ugly and very unstable situation before it started. Once the agitators got things moving, it took on a life of its own and was largely outside our ability to control.

The job of the President, first and foremost, is to represent the best interests of the United States to foreign powers. If he's doing his job, this sort of thing doesn't even occur, because it is short-circuited at the diplomatic level. The problem here is that Obama has absolutely no experience in prediction and negotiation -- at any level. Hence he is having to react to everything and dance to other people's tunes.

The parallels between Obama and Carter are quite remarkable and also quite predictable. They are both very intelligent men who are handicapped by their naivete and lack of political foresight.

Do I think Obama is an idiot? By no means. I simply see him for what he is: a man unqualified for his job. His reactionary methods of governance are probably not calculated to inflict such grievous harm on the nation, but they have that effect nonetheless. There's a corollary to Occam's Razor which applies here: Never ascribed to conspiracy that which can be most easily explained by incompetence.

The less this guy does t... (Below threshold)
George:

The less this guy does the better. So, keep his distance and try not to make it about him, or use it to stay in office.

914, nice dodge. If it happened when there was a president other than "this guy" tell us specifically what you think your ideal president should have done differently. Either put up or shut up in your criticism of Obama.

Maybe we can save some f... (Below threshold)
Mike Giles:

Maybe we can save some foreign aid money now that Mubarak's not ripping them off anymore.

Yeah, right. You know and I know, that when the Muslim Brotherhood seizes power - either in front of or behind the curtain - all they will need to do is put on a happy face, every now and then. And Obama will give them whatever they want.

Maybe the president should ... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Maybe the president should have sailed up the Nile to Cairo standing on the deck of the ship dressed in a military uniform with a banner behind him saying "Mission Accomplished". Now THAT'S presidential.

"In the unlikely event it does transpire, the world can thank W, who started the whole thing." -#23

Right. Forget the world, I'm sure there are plenty of Iraqis who'd love to give their own personal thanks to W for invading their country without just cause, destroying it, and then rebuilding it as an outpost of US crony capitalism. USA! USA! USA!

"tell us specifically what ... (Below threshold)
914:

"tell us specifically what you think your ideal president should have done differently. Either put up or shut up in your criticism of Obama."


My 'ideal' President would be basking in 4% unemployment and a roaring economy. Using all of our natural resources to better our citizens cost of living and sealing the *^$^%$% BORDER once and for all.

He would not be bowing abroad to dictators and pandering favors for American taxpayer 'stimulus funds'.

And that is just for starters.

Drill baby, drill baby drill. Attention to this Countries needs first.

Ddd, it is not only in the ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Ddd, it is not only in the Obama administration, that the intelligence community has been a oxymoron. They have never had a whiff of any revoultion in the last fify years that I can recall. Pay Moynihan when he headed up the Intelligence Committee, complained about them all the time. They missed the fall of the Shah, the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini, the fall of Eastern Europe, the disintegration of the Soviet Union, 9/11, they were convinced Iraq had WMD. The list is a long one. And now they missed the Egyptian revolution when the writing was on the wall, well Facebook´s, particularly after Tunisia.

Not everyone, I predicted on January 14, on this site, during the Tunisian revolution that it was potentially more important than the Iranian one. I was thinking of Egypt. Of course, what do I know? I don´t spend hours on taxpayer´s time, and expense, watching porn as the recent Pentagon Intelligence scandal revealed.

914, you would make a good ... (Below threshold)
George:

914, you would make a good boxer because you are so good at dodging and weaving. I was criticizing your response (24) to comment 22 which is about the crisis in Egypt.

Actually Steve, you and Tin... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Actually Steve, you and Tina S asked what Obama should do and I spelled it out. So, you are either ignoring comments or a liar. I said Obama should have said:

"We americans have been committed to the Egyptian people over decades with both our money and goods. We expect the same committment back. We will not stand for anything that will disrupt our economy or financial apparatus". I am paraphrasing myself, but look it up.

Obama is bragging now. As Carter did with Iran. Let's see how well he brags 6 months from now.

I have always said I think we as a country should wait and see what is driving this rebellion. The Middle East is famouse for providing huge demonstrations at someones bidding. So I am still very skeptical. As we all should be. ww

Yes George, Americ... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes George,

America 1st. Priorities, priorities. Barry's insatiable desire to take credit for something that is yet to manifest itself is nauseating. Here He goes again with that 'hope and change' bullshit again. Like a broken record thats all scratched up.

Speaking of idiots, Woop-</... (Below threshold)
914:

Speaking of idiots, Woop-

"So, your own repeated, childish attempts to paint every move of Obama's on this subject over the last few weeks as a monumental disaster for democracy and the future of the free world weren't "way too early", eh?"


Obama himself is a disaster. Look at the economy numb nuts. He can no more be an advocate for democracy then a spokesman for west baptist community racist church.

ww, as I have said before C... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

ww, as I have said before Cairo is much different than Tehran or Baghdad. I understand there was the example of Algeria voting for a radical Islamic party , until the election was annulled; that is perhaps the scarier forewarning.

However, at some point a more or less functioning democracy, which I'm counting on Egypt to become, will prove a better alternative to a theocracy than an autocracy or kleptocracy, both of which were Mubarak´s Egypt, and because of that, Mubarak was a good advertisement for the setting up of a Islamic fundamentalist republic.

so how many military coups ... (Below threshold)
epador:

so how many military coups have led to democracy quickly?

So Obama wants to claim aut... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

So Obama wants to claim authorship? OK, Barry, you've got it. You own the situation, however it plays out from here.

Crickmore, a simple questio... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Crickmore, a simple question: if you could press a button and undo history, so that the Shah would have remained in power in 1979, would you do so?

Yes or no?

There has to be a first tim... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

There has to be a first time, Epador.

Maybe this'll be it.

(Of course, you could argue that our taking over Iraq could be seen as a military coup - as long as you don't refer to which military...)

Pile of Pooh:"D... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Pile of Pooh:

"Do I think Obama is an idiot? By no means. I simply see him for what he is: a man unqualified for his job."

As a second-rate 'community organizer', he'd have been fine. Even as a state senator, he'd have been pretty much harmless. As a US Senator, he didn't do anything but run for President. So what DID he do to qualify himself for this job?

(He's eloquent, electable, and a snappy dresser. What more is needed?)

"His reactionary methods of governance are probably not calculated to inflict such grievous harm on the nation, but they have that effect nonetheless."

When you don't know what you're doing, everything's a coin flip. You literally don't know what'll help or what'll hurt. So you end up with stuff your friends tell you will 'help', like that dumb-ass Cash4Clunkers program - which ended up hurting folks at the lower end who actually buy the clunkers for transportation, as well as kicking the new car market in the yarbels. And let's not even talk about the 'stimulus' that was supposed to keep unemployment down below 8%.

His major problem (aside from the inexperience) is that he apparently didn't know he didn't know what he was doing and didn't have good people advising him. After all, when you get surrounded by people who 'ease' you into positions of power, you never LEARN what makes the system actually work. The system works because you want it to - obviously. So anything you want will work.

Until it doesn't. And then you're in the position of someone who doesn't know what to do, doesn't know how things are supposed to work, and at a point where everything you know to even try is likely to make things worse.

There's a corollary to Occam's Razor which applies here: Never ascribed to conspiracy that which can be most easily explained by incompetence.

Unless the conspiracy is to put in an incompetent boob into office. Which I think we've got. But he looks so good...

Jay @ 38 -At this ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jay @ 38 -

At this point, Obama's going to be running to the front of the parade, which started off without him quite a while back. But he's still got to pretend he's leading it.

Jay @ 39 -

Looking at Iran's history since '79, it's hard to imagine the reign of the Shah and any successor having been worse.

Crickmore: " They have neve... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Crickmore: " They have never had a whiff of any revoultion in the last fify years that I can recall."

Wow.

This is a banner day.

Crickmore is completely correct about the intelligence community missing every major international event for the last 50 years (at least).

There are many reasons for this, alot of it non-partisan (ie the heavy reliance on technical means for intelligence gathering as opposed to people on the ground.)

I have some criticisms of some of Steve's other comments, but for now, I will bask in the warmth of sweet sweet agreement.....

So any bets on how... (Below threshold)
Brett :
So any bets on how long the military will be "in temporary control"?

Just long enough to install an Islamic theocracy?

So...I remember one of the ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

So...I remember one of the troll saying something about Mubarak being in until September?

Um....

Yeah....

JLMy first time wa... (Below threshold)
epador:

JL

My first time was Sooooo long ago...

But my last time never is.

Let us hope Barry experienc... (Below threshold)
914:

Let us hope Barry experiences a similar farewell..

My plan for 1 million "shov... (Below threshold)
Sir Toby Belch:

My plan for 1 million "shovel-ready" jobs:
A massive PYRAMID to be constructed for Obama
which would put Pharaoh Khufu's to shame. This
could be finished by his fourth term, easily.
Taxation for the edifice would be gladly
agreed to by the populace, when they realize
Our Pharaoh needs a monument to help him
navigate the afterlife. You wouldn't want to deny him his full destiny.

Actually, the Obama Memoria... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Actually, the Obama Memorial was anticipated by Percy Bysshe Shelley nearly 100 years ago:

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".

Drago, it is a quandry why ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Drago, it is a quandry why so many morons go into Intelligence? I suppose they can make a lot of money, essentially doing nothing and not knowing the English language-perhaps they are dyslexic. We have Director Clapper this week saying the Muslim Brotherhood "is largely secular".

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper raised some eyebrows today at a House Intelligence Committee hearing when he called described the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization.

and the decision to send top diplomat Frank Wisner Jr. to Cairo, as our point man.

But that decision backfired when the younger Wisner veered off-message, stunning the diplomatic establishment and Egypt's democratic opposition by stating that Mubarak's "continued leadership is critical." After word circulated that Wisner works at Patton Boggs, a powerful law firm that provides consulting work for the Mubarak regime, the administration pulled him back amid charges that it was still working off an outdated script.

Plus ca change, plus la meme chose. But Obama is beholden to these guys-he dosn´t have the courage to go outside the usual failed networks- and they have impressive resumes, for never having predicted anything.

Obama caused it to happen -... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Obama caused it to happen - the world saw his greatness as it happened before our eyes. Obama's open cowering and bumbling when he was finally forced to make a real decision (he couldn't vote present any longer and Soros was busy taking down some other country) scared the daylights out of Mubarek, who realized that if this bumbling incompetent was his best support system, he better hightail it out of there.
And now we get to crown our own man simply because his incompetence, once again he helped to lower the image of America in the eyes of the world - and that's why he is so loved by the left!

"Never ascribed to conspira... (Below threshold)
Don L:

"Never ascribed to conspiracy that which can be most easily explained by incompetence"

True ennough, Pile of Pooh, but I wonder if it can't also be reversed: nice black guy means well, bows nicely and everything, he's just learning - re-elect him, he couldn't tell us that classified info he knew,etc.

But couldn't stuff like this be secretly determined ahead of time? Incompetence is a great cover - I call it the "who hates Joe Biden" syndrome?

It is, perhaps, a blessing ... (Below threshold)
studakota:

It is, perhaps, a blessing that this country is broke, as it is. Can we even count the scores, Obama and his minions, have yet to settle with the residual colonialists who still remain in Africa? We've seen his coldness towards England. There still remains Belgium, Germany, France, Portugal, the Dutch east indies, Louisiana and Mississippi, to be dealt with. Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and California, will be allowed absorption into the still forming country of Cartel.

We've heard from the Buraq ... (Below threshold)

We've heard from the Buraq Hussayn bin Buraq Hussayn bin Hussyn Ubambi followship about that gormless gang's multiple-personality-deranged reaction to the street agitating of the fewer than
2% of Egypt's eighty-odd millions who comprise its elite, its actual and pdeudo-intellectuals and its students, naive and less so.

Now we'll hear from the other ninety-eight per cent.




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