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Now it's Sarkozy

On Monday, I referred to the lessons from Europe coming our way via Britain and before that Germany.

It's France's turn:

sarkozy.jpgFrench President Nicolas Sarkozy declared Thursday that multiculturalism had failed, joining a growing number of world leaders or ex-leaders who have condemned it.

"My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure," he said in a television interview when asked about the policy which advocates that host societies welcome and foster distinct cultural and religious immigrant groups.

"Of course we must all respect differences, but we do not want... a society where communities coexist side by side.

"If you come to France, you accept to melt into a single community, which is the national community, and if you do not want to accept that, you cannot be welcome in France," the right-wing president said.

"The French national community cannot accept a change in its lifestyle, equality between men and women... freedom for little girls to go to school," he said.

"We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him," Sarkozy said in the TFI channel show.

Hope in Europe. 

Might it emigrate here.


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Maybe American Liberals wil... (Below threshold)
Maggie Mama:

Maybe American Liberals will stop looking to Europe as the be-all,end-all opinion of what America should look like.

We keep following their lead down one slippery slope after another.

Here's my question. Why is... (Below threshold)
James H:

Here's my question. Why is it that multiculturalism has more or less failed in Europe, while here in America it mostly works just fine?

You have you Little Italies, your Koreatowns, your Chinatowns, your Little Havanas, and so forth. First-and second-generation immigrants often self-segregate into these communities, and ... nothing much happens as they assimilate over time.

Indian-Americans, Russian-Americans, and so forth, form their own vibrant ethnic communities ... and they do just fine.

The Amish are given leeway to do their own thing ... and that works fine.

And, yeah, we've got thriving Muslim communities all over this country, and for the most part, they're not bent on bringing down the country, creating parallel justice systems and so forth.

Somehow, the United States has struck a balance. You celebrate your heritage and culture, retain as much or as little of it as you like in your personal life, and then go from there.

I have a personal theory about why the United States has worked that way: free-market economics and opportunities to integrate politically.

"I have a personal theor... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"I have a personal theory about why the United States has worked that way: free-market economics and opportunities to integrate politically."

And incentives to integrate, instead of staying isolated. The Amish want to stay somewhat isolated, that's fine - they want to stay independent, and that's fine. They don't isolate themselves, shut out the world, demand everyone they might come in contact with to change their mode of dress to avoid offense, and then demand the gov. pick up their tab for merely existing.

And that it was necessary to integrate economically in order to survive didn't hurt, either. It's that free-market stuff you referenced. You get more of what you encourage. You encourage people to prosper and give them an environment where they can, and they will. Conversely, you make it difficult/impossible for them to prosper, and they won't.

James H: "Here's my questio... (Below threshold)
Hank:

James H: "Here's my question. Why is it that multiculturalism has more or less failed in Europe, while here in America it mostly works just fine?"

I really don't think it's working that well here any longer. When it did, I'd attribute it to equal treatment under the law.

I do not think the mexicans... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I do not think the mexicans or central americans come to this country to assimilate. They come here illegally to earn money to send back to their country.

I am second generation Czech. My grandparents wouldn't teach me slovak. Not that they were not proud of their heritage, they were more proud to be american. James H., most do assimilate but the mexican's do not, won't and have politicized the issue.

Conservatives have been saying for 10 years that multiculturism will not work. ww

James H brings up some good... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

James H brings up some good points.

My theory for why a certain version of multiculturalism has been able to work in the US: a system that upholds political freedom (like freedom of choice, religion, etc). Basically, people participate in the national system of governance, and have the freedom to choose how they want to live their lives. This is definitely a good thing.

"Somehow, the United States has struck a balance. You celebrate your heritage and culture, retain as much or as little of it as you like in your personal life, and then go from there."

Agreed.

JLawson,"They don'... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

JLawson,

"They don't isolate themselves, shut out the world, demand everyone they might come in contact with to change their mode of dress to avoid offense, and then demand the gov. pick up their tab for merely existing."

James' example of the Amish is a good example of how things can work. They do their thing, and people are fine with it. From what I see, there are lots of ethnic communities that do just that.

The problems with multiculturalism crop up when one group pushes its own agenda/politics onto others in the name of "multiculturalism." And that sort of thing happens. But such groups often forget about the whole "mutual respect" bit, which is a pretty critical component.

"Somehow, the United States... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Somehow, the United States has struck a balance."

Agreed. "The balance" is that you do not attempt to force your views/beliefs on others, while maintaining your own individuality.

It's human nature to want to stick with the familiar - especially when surrounded by that with which you have no familiarity. But over time, that tends to break down - or at least has happened in the past.

But now we have people - for whatever reason - believe they can follow certain customs that are in conflict with the 'local' laws. Sorry pal. You don't like it, go home. Women are not chattel, and when you want to practice genital mutilation - start with yourself.

Willie:"I do not t... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Willie:

"I do not think the mexicans or central americans come to this country to assimilate. They come here illegally to earn money to send back to their country."

You're acting as if "Mexicans or Central Americans" are all one big group that acts and thinks the same. Definitely not the case.

There are many people who come here from places like Guatemala and southern Mexico to work and send money back home, yes. Many of them are not here to stay, but just to work and support their families for a certain period of time. That's true.

But there are also millions of Americans who have Mexican of Latino ancestry who ARE US citizens, and just as "American" as anyone. Good to keep in mind.

GarandFan:"Agreed.... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

GarandFan:

"Agreed. "The balance" is that you do not attempt to force your views/beliefs on others, while maintaining your own individuality."

Exactly. The problem is when people start pushing their agendas on others in the name of "multiculturalism." They tend to forget about the whole mutual respect part. It's about respect for different ways of life, but also some common agreements about law and governance.

ryan a, what is good to kee... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

ryan a, what is good to keep in mind is the states that border Mexico are having significant financial and medical problems. TB is back. Hepatitis is on the rise. Our hospitals have to carry debt every year.

The assimilated hispanic communities have to assist in the dialogue of illegal immigration. The have to be vocal for border security. You don't here that from the mass community, just the opposite. Same with Michigan's huge Muslim community. They need to march and demonstrate their support of our war on Islamic radicalism but they do not. But both of the above named groups DEMAND that we respect their beliefs that are counter to what is good for the country as a whole. ww

Here's my question. Why ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Here's my question. Why is it that multiculturalism has more or less failed in Europe, while here in America it mostly works just fine?

Let's not be too sanguine just yet. The "melting pot" worked just fine, making Hyphen-Americans out of disparate peoples.

But the "melting pot" is now deprecated in favor of the "tossed salad," with the liberals playing their accustomed role of salad tossers. They have promoted this Balkanization to use identity politics to mobilizes the newly aggrieved to vote ...Dem.

So far, "multiculturalism" hasn't blown up in the US, but we may well be in the position of Wile E. Coyote having run off a cliff, but not yet fallen. After all, Europe has been engaged in "multiculturalism" for several decades, and only now sees the potential for generating a Yugoslavia-type situation.

Here's my question. Do som... (Below threshold)
James H:

Here's my question. Do some of you have specific instances in mind re: the Muslim communities in Detroit?

The Ft. Hood terrorist is o... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

The Ft. Hood terrorist is one result of blind adherence to the MultiCult:

"Despite so many clear warning signs, Hassan was passed through the system. No officials would take the appropriate, necessary action. The reason for their gross negligence was political correctness. The system turned a blind eye because Hasan was a Muslim, and making an accusation against a follower of Islam is a career-ender in the Obama administration. "

It's not just the Obama admin, either.

But there are also milli... (Below threshold)
galoob:

But there are also millions of Americans who have Mexican of Latino ancestry who ARE US citizens, and just as "American" as anyone. Good to keep in mind.

Hispanic names seem to be disproportionately represented among U.S. military killed in action. More than twenty troops named Martinez KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan, for example.

There is only one culture that counts in the USA. Respect for the Bill of Rights. Beyond that, nothing matters.

I was statioed in france in... (Below threshold)
dunce:

I was statioed in france in the late 50s and they were having serious problems with the algerians then like IEDs for assination attempts on degaule so my question is "what took you so long?"

I was statioed in france... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I was statioed in france in the late 50s and they were having serious problems with the algerians then like IEDs for assination attempts on degaule so my question is "what took you so long?"

Hey, Dunce, that was because France would not give Algeria its freedom until 1962. The assassination attempt on Degaulle was not by Algerians, but by the OAS, Secret Army Organization, which did not want France to give Algeria its freedom. Obviously you would never watch the movie Battle of Algiers you don't speak French and cannot read English fast enough to follow the subtitles. At least you picked a good descriptive handle.

Living next to the Amish, a... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Living next to the Amish, and getting stuck behind their buggies, I will chime in.
They are hardly new immigrants. They were in PA before the American Revolution. They've had centuries to get used to living next to their "English" neighbors.
They also belong to a pacifist religious sect of Baptist Christianity that makes a big thing about avoiding confrontation.
And they do live apart from the rest of us, and don't want any more contact than needed. They trade with surrounding populace, but their culture is separate by design.
They, if anything, are the exception that proves the rule. It works because they are Amish.

These are the first wort... (Below threshold)
gaius piconius:

These are the first worthwhile strikes at political progressivism and political correctness, which are the originators and enablers not just of multi-culturalism but the expansion of Islam...and implicit in these comments by Merkel, Cameron and Sarkozy is only, ISLAM. Why? Because the backwardness, ignorance, intolerance and hatred that is ISLAM has finally reached the point of being unmanagable and approaching the unstoppable...and other multi-cultural concerns pale in comparison. To scotch the viper of ISLAM we must first scotch the enablers. The other way around is not possible.

Obviously you ... (Below threshold)

Obviously you would never watch the movie Battle of Algiers

That's right, Dunce, you dunce. Get your historical information from movies, like galoob does, and one day you'll be super smart just like him.

That's right, Dunce, you... (Below threshold)
galoob:

That's right, Dunce, you dunce. Get your historical information from movies, like galoob does, and one day you'll be super smart just like him.

Well, if Dunce had watched Battle of Algiers the movie, at least he'd know that Algeria was a colony of France in the late 50s when he was stationed there, and there was a war for independence.

Or are you saying that's not true, you historical genius? I guess if I follow your point, D-Day is a myth because The Longest Day is just a movie.

You have you Little Ital... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

You have you Little Italies, your Koreatowns, your Chinatowns, your Little Havanas, and so forth. First-and second-generation immigrants often self-segregate into these communities, and ... nothing much happens as they assimilate over time.

You answered your own question...they ASSIMILATE. The current crop from down south don't WANT to assimilate. And the reason those 1st-2nd immigrants eventually assimilate is because they were forced to learn the language.

Ryan A - "The p... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ryan A -

"The problems with multiculturalism crop up when one group pushes its own agenda/politics onto others in the name of "multiculturalism." And that sort of thing happens. But such groups often forget about the whole "mutual respect" bit, which is a pretty critical component."

And then there's the groups which are pre-emptively offended in BEHALF of other groups. That just seems dumb to me - if the group is offended, let THEM say it, instead of going "Well, those folks over there MIGHT be offended if you move your arm in such a manner". (I'm thinking of the stink raised a decade or two back by a 'concerned citizen's group' about the Atlanta Braves, and how the name and the 'Tomahawk Chop' movement was offensive. Turned out that they had a hard time finding some Amerindians who were offended by it - they usually just shrugged and said "It's a sports team. Why should I get bothered?")

It was a good lesson - always verify with someone that they're offended before you raise a stink in their name...




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