Well, Mother Jones (no, they're not dead; they just smell that way) has yet another idea to push back and get their own mass movement going to counter the Tea Party movement, and they're drawing their inspiration from England.
Man, they really, really, really just don't get it. And even though I think they're congenitally incapable of getting it, I'm going to try to spell it out for them.
The movement in England is to buttress the welfare state by taking more and more money (and power) out of the hands of private individuals and organizations and give it to the government, which will then "redistribute" it (after taking their cut, of course) to the poor. It's about convincing the poor that their status is the result of some grand conspiracy by Big Business to keep them poor and oppressed.
In essence, the British movement is about taking power away from private entities and transferring it to the government. Which is about as far from the Tea Party movement as you can get.
The Tea Party movement is about taking power and money away from the federal government, in the belief that it has accumulated far more than it is entitled to or can be trusted with over the years. As P. J. O'Rourke noted almost two decades ago, "giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenaged boys." As a former teenaged boy, I can respect that sentiment.
The British movement is about holding others responsible for what they see as their sins against "the masses." The Tea Party movement is about taking responsibility for ourselves.
In theory, the British movement should be an easier sell. It's a hell of a lot easier to convince people to find someone else to scapegoat for their failings than it is to admit that we, the people, elected these bums who screwed it up, and we, the people, have to take the responsibility for that and take the burdens back on ourselves.
In a nutshell, in England the message is "take what they have and give it to us." Here, it's "stop taking so much from us."
As I said, that should be a very seductive message. But it overlooks one element: the people being appealed to in England are the dependent class. They are used to being handed things, to simply making demands and issuing justifications based on "social justice" and whatnot. In the US, it's the producing class that is at the core of the movement -- the people who are used to going out and getting what they have, to earning things instead of simply demanding them and being placated with bribes.
That is the secret of the Tea Party movement. And that is the one thing that the left simply can't capture.
No matter how hard they try, no matter how many different ways they try.



Comments (23)
Oh, they get it. They just... (Below threshold)1. Posted by epador | February 14, 2011 11:09 AM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Oh, they get it. They just hope that they con come up with some Newspeak to opiate their voters with.
1. Posted by epador | February 14, 2011 11:09 AM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 11:09
2. Posted by James H | February 14, 2011 11:16 AM | Score: -9 (13 votes cast)
Hmm ... Looks like the English protests started because Vodaphone was trying to claim most of its business went through Luxembourg, and it therefor shouldn't pay a large chunk of British taxes.
Seems like a worthy cause to me.
2. Posted by James H | February 14, 2011 11:16 AM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 11:16
3. Posted by epador | February 14, 2011 11:22 AM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
James H:
So, when legislators don't want to pay their fair share of taxes or health care costs, we should go after those nasty multimillionaires?
3. Posted by epador | February 14, 2011 11:22 AM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 11:22
4. Posted by PBunyan | February 14, 2011 11:35 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
"That is the secret of the Tea Party movement. And that is the one thing that the left simply can't capture."
Exactly. They need to try and follow some historic event that is similiar to what they are trying to accomplish- like the Bolshevik Revolution. The Tea Party is the antithesis of what the left is all about.
4. Posted by PBunyan | February 14, 2011 11:35 AM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 11:35
5. Posted by GarandFan | February 14, 2011 11:59 AM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
As Thatcher observed, 'it will work until they run out of other people's money'. One thing the left always seems to forget. The rich are mobile.
5. Posted by GarandFan | February 14, 2011 11:59 AM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 11:59
6. Posted by Matt | February 14, 2011 12:17 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
The irony of it all is that these progressives, liberals, neo-commies etc. are following the philosophy of a couple of old white guys,Marx and Engles, who have been dead (and discreditied) for well over 100 years.
6. Posted by Matt | February 14, 2011 12:17 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 12:17
7. Posted by BlueNight | February 14, 2011 12:23 PM | Score: 19 (19 votes cast)
So the Tea Party, which tries to capture the spirit of the American Revolution using the name of the Boston Tea Party, is being opposed by a group which identifies itself with the nation we fought to gain independence and which explicitly states they want to collect more taxes?
This is what we call a critical failure of marketing, or what the kids nowadays are calling "epic fail."
7. Posted by BlueNight | February 14, 2011 12:23 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 12:23
8. Posted by Hank | February 14, 2011 12:35 PM | Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
I was thinking along the lines of GarandFan wondering just how close they are to running out of other peoples money.
Looking at the linked article, these "dependents" want Vodafone to pay more taxes yet they show little regard for the fact that Vodafone employs a lot of people who ironically enough, pay taxes.
They go after Philip Green because they're not happy with the taxes he pays yet disregard the fact that "his companies all operate on British streets". Think maybe they employ people who also pay taxes?
Oh well. Wouldn't want to cut the " £30-a-week subsidy" given to 16 year olds, or cut the senior centers where the elderly can "meet their friends and socialize".
Once dependent, always dependent and easily manipulated.
Obama and the libs know this. This is the future they want. This is what the Tea Party is working against.
8. Posted by Hank | February 14, 2011 12:35 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 12:35
9. Posted by Novanglus | February 14, 2011 12:53 PM | Score: -15 (15 votes cast)
Reports of No Labels' death have been greatly exaggerated. It's just getting started.
9. Posted by Novanglus | February 14, 2011 12:53 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 12:53
10. Posted by mag | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
The idea of taking from the rich and giving to gov't to redistribute is in my opinion based on envy and laziness. (Note: 2 of the deadly sins). And I don't believe for a minute that they are concern with the plight of the poor.
10. Posted by mag | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 13:35
11. Posted by SER | February 14, 2011 1:38 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Novanglus,
"Reports of No Labels' death have been greatly exaggerated. It's just getting started."
Where?
11. Posted by SER | February 14, 2011 1:38 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 13:38
12. Posted by irongrampa | February 14, 2011 1:51 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
One of the good things to come out of this shit--provided we successfully oust the left--will be their banishment to the wilderness for decades to come.
This, the most exceptional country on the planet, with the most exceptional form of government yet devised, must NOT be allowed to perish. In one way, we can thank the socialists for their overreach the last 2 years. Change, such as they desire, is best implemented gradually, not in such huge chunks as the left shoved in America's face.
The 2012 election will either be a watershed OR another incremental step toward equal socialistic misery.
My bet is that we WILL return to a Constitutional Republic.
12. Posted by irongrampa | February 14, 2011 1:51 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 13:51
13. Posted by WildWillie | February 14, 2011 2:00 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
The Tea Party is so grass roots the left cannot comprehend how it can go forward without someone ordering them to do so such as unions or race baiters.
I have been to Tea Party's and the attendee's are made up or hard working people who are sick and tired of our government being very irresponsible stewards of our tax dollars. Our government encourages laziness. Our government makes laws they do not have to follow. They government raids SS for years and now tell us it is a problem. The list goes on and on. The main reason there are problems: The goverrnment have gotten so big it cannot be handles. It needs to be chopped down. Redundant agencies, unions and such have to sacrifice.
Harry Truman said you shouldn't get rich off public service but that is exactly what is happening. It needs to stop. ww
13. Posted by WildWillie | February 14, 2011 2:00 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 14:00
14. Posted by Les Nessman | February 14, 2011 2:29 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
"One of the good things to come out of this shit--provided we successfully oust the left--will be their banishment to the wilderness for decades to come."
Don't count on that, irongrampa.
There will always be someone whispering into the mob's ear : "You are owed. Look at that fat rich person. Why does he have and you do not? You should take it from him..." etc etc
Always been that way, always will.
That's why we need eternal vigilance.
14. Posted by Les Nessman | February 14, 2011 2:29 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 14:29
15. Posted by irongrampa | February 14, 2011 2:52 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Absolutely agree, Les. Something about the price of freedom is eternal vigilance comes to mind.
What's being seen here is the vigilance having been relaxed--and the inevitable "oops" moment(read that Tea Party).
15. Posted by irongrampa | February 14, 2011 2:52 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 14:52
16. Posted by JLawson | February 14, 2011 2:54 PM | Score: 15 (17 votes cast)
Thomas Sowell's got an interesting article about "the 'Dubious Achievements' of the American Intellegentsia".
He's not kind.
I might also point out that the intellegentsia have also foisted a fear of nuclear power and a rather bizzare love of low-density power sources like windmills and solar, and also pushed green agendas that have stifled development of same in areas that would otherwise be perfectly suited for it. (Yet they ignore the problems of such sources...)
All in all, I just don't think the 'intelligentsia' are as smart as they think they are. Their only apparent quality is an unabashed belief in the essential correctness and infallibility of their own ideas - and the results stemming from those ideas don't matter one damn bit.
16. Posted by JLawson | February 14, 2011 2:54 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 14:54
17. Posted by Jim Addison | February 14, 2011 3:01 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Dr. Sowell is quite right, as usual.
Obama's budget reflects his lack of seriousness. Only blithering idiots and ravenous parasites will see anything worthy in it. It is as if Obama has decided that cutting anything is painful and people don't like pain, so he intends to blow smoke and let Republicans take the heat for trying to clean up his fiscal mess.
17. Posted by Jim Addison | February 14, 2011 3:01 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 15:01
18. Posted by Hank | February 14, 2011 3:06 PM | Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
"Their only apparent quality is an unabashed belief in the essential correctness and infallibility of their own ideas - and the results stemming from those ideas don't matter one damn bit."
Excellent point!
18. Posted by Hank | February 14, 2011 3:06 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 15:06
19. Posted by hcddbz | February 14, 2011 8:14 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
How is that Classical Liberalism which found that the people should have freedom and the government be constrained has been flipped.
So they now want to give the government more power because they run things so well.
Social Securirty
BankRupt
They also manage companies with direct oversight:
Freddy Mae
Fanny Mack.
We hear about the incompetence of the oil spill in the Gulf. However why did the Federal government not have the ships and equipment on site to contain the spill.
The only organization that has to be cut, trimmed down and replace is the Military.
19. Posted by hcddbz | February 14, 2011 8:14 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 20:14
20. Posted by wolfwalker | February 14, 2011 9:11 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
One of the surest indicators of just how successful the Tea Party movement has been is in counting how many ways the Left has tried to imitate it.
And one of the surest indicators of how far it still has to go is in counting how rapidly the freshman R senators and representatives are being corrupted by the Borg in DC.
I will believe the Tea Party has achieved its aims the day that McConnell and Boehner hold firm against Barry Lackwit and shut down the government rather than approve one more penny of deficit spending.
20. Posted by wolfwalker | February 14, 2011 9:11 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 21:11
21. Posted by McGehee
| February 14, 2011 11:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
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| February 14, 2011 11:25 PM |
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Posted on February 14, 2011 23:25
22. Posted by Rich K | February 15, 2011 11:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kinda fun watching them really. I have seen this same behavior on 'You Tube' when I watch a cat chasing its tail.
22. Posted by Rich K | February 15, 2011 11:15 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2011 23:15
23. Posted by Vernon L Landry Sr
| February 20, 2011 12:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How can anyone immitate the tea party. Kind of hard to immitate that much stupidity. Only a tea party member can do that cause they are birds of the same feathers and they flock together. Gun totting,snuff dipping, bear guzzling tea partiers are in their element when among each other. The appropiate name for that bunch a scallywags world be the pee party cause the are willing to piss on others while thinking they have the answers for solving the mess the teapublicans created.
23. Posted by Vernon L Landry Sr
| February 20, 2011 12:34 AM |
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Posted on February 20, 2011 00:34