Human society is a complex system composed of subsidiary complex systems.
Let us take a modern city as an example.
The physical infrastructure consists of the following complex systems:
Electrical Power Generation and Distribution (dependent on transportation of fuel)
Potable Water collection, treatment, and distribution
Sewage collection and treatment
Telecommunications
Business and Home Environmental Controls
Transportation
Roads (dependent on fuel supplies and subject to degradation on loss of Electrical Power)
Rail Roads (dependent on fuel supplies and Electrical Power for control and switching)
Air Transport (dependent on fuel supplies and Electrical Power)
Fuel Supplies
POL (dependent upon supply of Crude Oil, Transportation, and Electrical Power)From these obvious relationships we can easily discern that disruption of one or more subsystem will have cascading effects on the rest of the systems.Gasoline (requires electrical power to distill from Crude Oil)Natural Gas (dependent on Electrical Power for control of delivery)
Jet Fuel (requires electrical power to distill from Crude Oil)
Diesel Fuel (requires electrical power to distill from Crude Oil)
Efficiency in the use of resources drives centralization. One large power plant is more efficient than multiple smaller power plants. However, should that one power plant be disrupted, a cascade of effects will be felt on other critical infrastructure across a larger swath of population.
Survivability drives design towards smaller less efficient nodes which offer each other mutual support but which can sustain the temporary (or not so temporary) loss of one or more nodes.
When a whole state (we're talking about you, California), region (hello, Northeast), or Country suffers a cascading failure (or rolling blackouts) it's a clear indication that "efficiency" was optimized at the expense of survivability.
Earthquakes, Tsunami, and other natural disasters are facts of life here on planet Earth. Failing to design our infrastructure to survive such disasters through redundancy (smaller nodes) and geographical separation is a choice not to survive as a society.
Mega cities with efficient centralized infrastructure are societal suicide pacts.
Hat Tip to VDH for the inspiration.



Comments (15)
So... what's the alternativ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by hyperbolist | March 16, 2011 6:48 PM | Score: -5 (9 votes cast)
So... what's the alternative? Don't you think we should take our chances with our interdependent nodes of infrastructure?
1. Posted by hyperbolist | March 16, 2011 6:48 PM |
Score: -5 (9 votes cast)
Posted on March 16, 2011 18:48
2. Posted by epador | March 16, 2011 7:44 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
I think he's trying to say you should stay North of the border and think small, both of which you already do.
2. Posted by epador | March 16, 2011 7:44 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 16, 2011 19:44
3. Posted by Rodney Graves | March 16, 2011 8:17 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
hyperbolist,
I think we need to start taking advantage of modern telecommunication and networking and spread out into more, smaller, cities and towns. The large metropolitan areas are just too vulnerable to both natural disaster and hostile action, and really aren't necessary for modern industry and commerce.
3. Posted by Rodney Graves | March 16, 2011 8:17 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 16, 2011 20:17
4. Posted by Gmac | March 16, 2011 11:04 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Just in time delivery will cause major population centers to turn into a free for all jungle if there is ever a major catastrophic event that paralyzes the country.
4. Posted by Gmac | March 16, 2011 11:04 PM |
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Posted on March 16, 2011 23:04
5. Posted by jim m | March 16, 2011 11:48 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
It's just another way to point out the fact that the left lives in a fantasy world.
They carry on about "sustainability" and "buying local", yet they decry suburbia and rural life. The large cities that the left believes everyone should live in are the definition of unsustainable. By their very nature they cannot be supplied with local goods because they would deplete the local region.
The left wants their big cities with instant accessibility to everything without having to pay for it. They want electric cars without the power plants to create the electricity. They want organic foods without the huge expansion of cultivated land that would be required to grow them. They want government to provide everything but even though they support increased taxes with their mouths, when given the chance to give the government more money they refuse. They want democracy as long as they win the elections. They want freedom of speech as long as they only hear things they agree with.
I don't know if it's hypocrisy as much as it is simply delusional.
5. Posted by jim m | March 16, 2011 11:48 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on March 16, 2011 23:48
6. Posted by Evil Otto | March 17, 2011 6:29 AM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
I don't know if it's hypocrisy as much as it is simply delusional.
It's both, Jim.
6. Posted by Evil Otto | March 17, 2011 6:29 AM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on March 17, 2011 06:29
7. Posted by Chico | March 17, 2011 7:44 AM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
On the other hand, hunter-gatherer societies with no infrastructure didn't work too well, either.
7. Posted by Chico | March 17, 2011 7:44 AM |
Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 17, 2011 07:44
8. Posted by Rodney Graves | March 17, 2011 9:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
GMAC,
Most metropolitan areas have 3 days of food on hand, largely thanks to "Just in Time" stocking. Economic "efficiency" comes at the expense of survivability.
Chico,
There is a very large gap between what I have suggested (more smaller cities and towns, fewer mega cities and super dense urban areas) and a hunter-gatherer society. But feel free to knock that strawman of your own construction shrewdly on the head...
8. Posted by Rodney Graves | March 17, 2011 9:03 AM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 09:03
9. Posted by Brian_R_Allen
| March 17, 2011 9:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
.... Hat Tip to VDH for the inspiration ....
Isn't he, though!
But you done Good, too.
Five Stars.
9. Posted by Brian_R_Allen
| March 17, 2011 9:17 AM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 09:17
10. Posted by yttik | March 17, 2011 10:12 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
This is good post. I think we really need state's rights, local economies, and a diverse infrastructure.
People in rural areas learn to depend on themselves, to take precautions, to get to know their neighbors, because that may be all they have in an emergency. In the cities you tend to rely on the government and grow complacent about taking responsibility for yourself. We saw this during hurricane katrina, people waited for government buses to evacuate them, waited for government to provide them shelter, waited for days to be rescued. It's healthier for survival if you don't trust a centralized entity to take care of you because there's simply no one more qualified to look out for you than yourself. I'm afraid the real lessons of that disaster haven't been learned at all.
10. Posted by yttik | March 17, 2011 10:12 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on March 17, 2011 10:12
11. Posted by Hank | March 17, 2011 10:38 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Excellent topic and great points, chico excepted.
Lived in an urban setting when the blizzard of 78 hit. Completely dependent on municipal services which were paralyzed.
Moved to a very rural section of Ma and during the massive ice storm a few years ago, when we were without power for 10 days, we did much better. Heated with a wood stove, manually got water from our well, the no-electric propane stove worked great. Had enough suppies to last quite a while. Biggest problem? Running low on beer.
Might be a lot more work to live in the boonies heating with wood, planting a garden, etc. But it did, and does, pay off.
11. Posted by Hank | March 17, 2011 10:38 AM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 10:38
12. Posted by Gmac | March 17, 2011 12:43 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"Most metropolitan areas have 3 days of food on hand"
I am quite aware of that.
What happens after three days of no deliveries because the supply chain is broken?
12. Posted by Gmac | March 17, 2011 12:43 PM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 12:43
13. Posted by Hank | March 17, 2011 12:49 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"What happens after three days of no deliveries because the supply chain is broken?"
Violent left-wing protests and riots?
And Obama goes golfing.
13. Posted by Hank | March 17, 2011 12:49 PM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 12:49
14. Posted by Wayne | March 17, 2011 1:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yttik be careful about saying such things about Katrina around here. They are a bit sensitive on that subject. They may delete you comments and threaten to ban you.
Yes there is a difference between metropolitan and rural areas. Some of it is a difference in supplies and experience. Some of it is general attitude.
As for efficiency vs. survivability, you need both. Although I would point out bigger doesn’t always make it more efficient or decentralize always make it more survivable but that is nitpicking. One thing I think we do have an issue with is we do not have enough “extra”. A small percentage or a key area goes down and we are in the world of hurt. Fuel,energy and water becomes extremely important when you are even a little short of them.
14. Posted by Wayne | March 17, 2011 1:41 PM |
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Posted on March 17, 2011 13:41
15. Posted by Ellie Light | March 19, 2011 2:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Small, competing systems drive innovation and progress. Centraslized systems cannot progress. This is why centralized systems always grow fat, stupid, and extinct eventually.
Can anyone name one corporation, country, or organization that has remained dominant in its niche for over a 100 years if it has embraced centralization as compared to those that have ignored it?
15. Posted by Ellie Light | March 19, 2011 2:26 AM |
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Posted on March 19, 2011 02:26