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Seventeen Percent of Americans are Delusional

Reuters has the numbers:

Few Americans see Obama as strong military leader

(Reuters) - Only 17 percent of Americans see President Barack Obama as a strong and decisive military leader, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken after the United States and its allies began bombing Libya.

Nearly half of those polled view Obama as a cautious and consultative commander-in-chief and more than a third see him as indecisive in military matters.


I further question the lucidity of the 48% who believe Obama is "cautious and consultative" as Commander in Chief vice the dithering poll watcher he has demonstrated himself to be.
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Certainly would ... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Certainly would like to know who in hell that 17% are.

The 48% have GOT to be Democrats.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH<br... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They cannot be serious really it not been a week and the Military lead is say somebody please do this for me.

Barack Obama is only strong... (Below threshold)
TaterSalad:

Barack Obama is only strong in one thing and that is "sucking on a slurpy". Everything else he is just a community organizer and was a failure at that also. He's a joke to have as a Commander-in-Thief and the rest of the world is laughing at him also.

Decisive Leadership demonst... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Decisive Leadership demonstrated by following the lead of the Iron Spine of NATO...

Pull the other one, it has bells...

"Cautious, decisive and con... (Below threshold)
914:

"Cautious, decisive and consultive."


Yes, Barry is all of these before and after every stroke on every hole.

"Only 17 percent of Amer... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

"Only 17 percent of Americans see President Barack Obama as a strong and decisive military leader"

In other words, 83 percent agree with Sarah Palin. More decisiveness, less dithering.

Actually, 53% of the regist... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

Actually, 53% of the registered electorate is delusional. That was Obama's share of the popular vote in 2008.

Delusional, insane, Psychot... (Below threshold)

Delusional, insane, Psychotic....

Yeah, Barry is really inspi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Yeah, Barry is really inspiring!

So far, this farce has been called a "time-limited, scope-limited military action" and has morphed from being a "war" to "an intervention", and is now relegated to a "kinetic military action", what-ever the fuck that is.

News Flash to Barry! You're dropping bombs on people and killing them. That's called WAR! Or can I just crank a couple rounds off at your ass and call it "kinetic demonstartion of voter disapproval"? Somehow I don't think the Secret Service would buy than explanation.

George Orwell was thinking of this administration when he coined the term "NewSpeak".

Barry will brush up on the ... (Below threshold)
914:

Barry will brush up on the decisive stuff when it comes to reelection hopes. Til' then, Screw You America!

"kinetic military action" Translation: Depends on what the meaning of war is, is?

*** Wuss Speak ----... (Below threshold)
Brucepall:

*** Wuss Speak -------------------- Soldier Speak ***

1) Proportionate Response -------Smash/Destroy
2) Colateral Damage -------------Regrettable Civilian Deaths
3) UN Resolution ------------------Waste of Breath
4) Kinetic Military Mission -------War
5) Negotiations/Consultations --Surrender or Die
6) Rules of Engagement ---------Fight's On
7) Feelings of Conflict -----------Weaponry Recoil
8) Pregnant Pause ----------------Reload
9) Cessation of Hostilities -------Enemy Surrenders
0) End Game ----------------------Victory

Brucepall @ 11,Hea... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Brucepall @ 11,

Hear Him! Hear Him!

The only acceptable goal is Victory and there is no substitute.

Hilarious stuff. Y... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:

Hilarious stuff. You guys are so delusional.

As we enter the 8th and 10th years of George Bush's masterfully planned wars.

7) Amplification and Clarif... (Below threshold)
Brucepall:

7) Amplification and Clarification.

Clueless blabbering bubble-head reporter, attempting to empathize and connect during Warrior interview:

Bubble-head: "I know it must of been horrible... But can you tell us, what was it like to pull the trigger and end the life of another human being?"

Warrior: "What do you mean?"

Bubble-head: "Well, didn't it touch you? I mean... I mean.... what did you... feel?"

Warrior: "Recoil."

- End of Interview -

"As we enter the 8th and 10... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"As we enter the 8th and 10th years of George Bush's masterfully planned wars."

Hey asshole, how long we been in Bosnia?
Or is that too high for you to count?

We are not at war in... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:


We are not at war in Bosnia. There are 70,000 Bosnians in my town that celebrate Clinton like he is Jesus. They are my neighbors and I have been learning about what happened in Bosnia for 18 years. You prove my point Garand Fan: The only reason you can get away with ignorance here at Wizbang is because everyone here suffers from the same malady.

You do know that Bush began 2 wars that he never completed...you are aware of that fact aren't you?

gnossoss, are YOU aware tha... (Below threshold)

gnossoss, are YOU aware that Obama has had two years to wind down those wars, and instead chose to start a third one? In one of the most half-assed, inept, clueless fashions possible?

And for the record, Bush's "wars" were over years ago. They ended when we toppled the existing governments, which happened in record time. What we're dealing with now are the occupation and reconstruction phases.

We need some better trolls. Woops, chico (ain't da man), and Nosy Snuffleupagus just don't have the verve of some past ones.

J.

The 48% would depend on the... (Below threshold)

The 48% would depend on the exact questions that were asked and how they were phrased. It could be that they defined "unable to decide without asking everyone what they think" as "consultative" and "unable to act on his own" as "cautious".

Anyone who voted for Mr. un... (Below threshold)
914:

Anyone who voted for Mr. un America hope and change is delusional from day one,.

Snuffaluffagus-

"As we enter the 8th and 10th years of George Bush's masterfully planned wars."


Mission accomplished ass hat. The only time Barry can say that is after he steps off the 18th green.

Since blacks make up 12% of... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Since blacks make up 12% of the US population and they tend to reject in very strong terms anything that smacks of criticism of obama I would hazard to say that 3/4 of those saying that he is a strong military leader are indeed black.

It would be very interesting to see a demographic breakdown of those answers.

Jay Tea @ #17 ~ The decline... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Jay Tea @ #17 ~ The decline in quality of trolls is remarkable. Of course, they are trying to defend the indefensible, so it would difficult to expect more of them.

Obama is utterly spineless and indecisive. The only strong positions he has taken are those in favor of his parties, vacations, and golf outings.

It would be laughable except for the damage he is doing to the country.

snuffleupagass prove... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

snuffleupagass proves my point re delusion.

The rational players here (not to be confused with snuffleupagass) know that Candidate Obama ran as tne anti-Bush, yet has not only extended the wars initiated by Bush (with Congressional approval) but has started a third war without the prior approval of Congress. How about that "Hope and Change."

Gnossoss Papadopoulis,... (Below threshold)
Brucepall:

Gnossoss Papadopoulis,

Sounds Greek, or perhaps Albanian... Maybe Kosovo, or on the outside, it could be Bosnian; anythings possible I guess. Having seen all four of these countries - lets just say as a guest, if thats acceptable to you - I know a wee bit about the region.

So, if your an immigrant, allow me to welcome you to America, and convey to you in my own words why our country is so different.

Historically, our Constitutional Republic can, and has, put up with a lot of abuse before she resorts to war. Our enemies see our reluctance to engage in warfare as a weakness. How can millions of people govern themselves? They think we are soft and that they are superior and stronger... and they continue to believe this, all the way up until the time we over-run their homeland and capitol...and then its too late. Empires, Reich's, Pirate Nations, and Tribal Cults have all made this mistake.

When aroused, America makes war like no other nation on earth. When the guns fall silent, our troops come home, and all we ask of our now defeated enemies is that they grant us a few hectors of land so that we may burry our dead. What other nation on earth fights wars like that? - There isn't one.

Our wars are about defending our nation and way of life. Nobody understands this better that the members of our armed forces. Volunteers all, who answer the call of our nation in her greatest need. They step up, just like millions who came before them, and are willing to risk life and limb in the defense of freedom and liberty.

Your idea of 8 and 10 year wars isn't even close, or even in the ball park. Your off by several orders of magnitude. I can guaran-damn-tee you that come the year 2051, the VA will still be pulling shrapnel out of Iraqi and Afghanistan veterans that the battlefield triage docs missed back in 2001 thru 2011.

So if this is the sacrifice, then why not honor it with unity of purpose, stout leadership, and victory over our declared enemies? Is that too much to ask for our posterity and future in this day and age? I don't think so.

My comments are in my own words, and its a soldier's language; its an appeal to return to what has traditionally been the compact between our citizenry and those who answer the call to fight on their behalf. Others like Mr. Graves, are focused on the leadership aspect of this compact. Using this blog as his forum, in his own way -he is shining a light upon it.

While I don't always agree with everything that anyone post on Wizbangblog, at least I can understand and acknowledge where they're coming from; and it would appear that many other commentators on this forum do so as well. They get it, Mr. Papadopoulis. Which makes me want to ask this question: Why can't you?

Semper Fidelis-


I used to think it was mere... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I used to think it was mere incompetence but having listened to the tapes of the NPR execs trashing America I cannot escape the conclusion that the left absolutely hates America and wants it to collapse.

The left sees everyone else as ignorant and racist. They are hyperfocused on America's faults and cannot give up on anything no matter how many decades have passed and no matter how much the nation has repudiated the acts of the past. They bring up the interment of Japanese during WWII as though it happened yesterday and they fully expect that it would happen immediately again if obama were not the President.

The only thing that is greater than their hate for America is their conceited elitism and self-congratulatory arrogance that they have been enlightened with some secret knowledge that will save the world if only they can get enough power to force their will upon everyone else.

17% ? I'll have what they'r... (Below threshold)

17% ? I'll have what they're smoking!

Jim M -What I see ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jim M -

What I see from the left isn't hatred of America so much as their unwavering certainty that if THEY were in charge all the little things that they find annoying and that they're so vocal about would be quickly and easily solved - if only there weren't these nasty bastards invested in the status quo blocking their brilliance.

There is no thought that they might be wrong. There is no thought that the results of their beneficial changes will be anything less than absolutely wonderful.

There's no possibility, in their mind, of ANY unforseen consequences, and there's CERTAINLY no possibility of EVER running out of money.

They exist in the moment. What they want right now, whether it's a sudden shift to all environmentally-sustainable energy or card check for unions or everyone going all locavore in their food habits or everyone being equal in wealth or universal health care, or whatever the cause of the day is... it doesn't matter to them WHY what they might want isn't a good idea, or WHY people might not want it, or WHY there isn't the money for it - they want it NOW, dammit, because GETTING it will be wonderful.

And they feel they deserve that wonderful feeling, whether they've earned it or not, because they're RIGHT about it - and everyone ELSE is wrong.

And somehow, it's never THEIR fault when their wonderful plans go astray, when the death tolls mount, when the money runs out and things are worse than before.

Yeah gnossoss, the fact tha... (Below threshold)
419:

Yeah gnossoss, the fact that the Bush messes aren't cleaned up yet is obviously all Obamas fault. I mean, he's had 2 years, fer cryin' out loud!

Jim Addison - Hurr.

What I see from the left... (Below threshold)
jim m:

What I see from the left isn't hatred of America so much as their unwavering certainty that if THEY were in charge all the little things that they find annoying and that they're so vocal about would be quickly and easily solved

Agreed. I think they do have an absolute certainty that if only they could acquire sufficient power to impose their will upon everyone else that hey could solve all of the world's problems.

But I think you still miss the enormous amount of disgust and resentment that they feel toward America, the notion of American exceptionalism and the greatness that America has achieved. They cannot accept that America has overcome slavery, the Japanese interment, segregation, the cold war etc and has done so largely without their help and often in spite of them.

They hate America because America identifies a problem, fixes it and moves on. America does not look at the failures of its past and say, "because we failed here we do not have the right to criticize anyone else". No, America says, "Because we failed and then faced our errors and corrected them we can stand proud and lead others in he same direction."

The left does not believe in redemption but America does. Redemption is inherently a religious idea so that should not be surprising that the left abhors such a notion. The left believes that America should be another Hester Pryne, condemned to perpetually wear the mark of its sins and never to be allowed forgiveness for them.

Jim Addison - Hur @ 27 spew... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Jim Addison - Hur @ 27 spews:

Yeah gnossoss, the fact that the Bush messes aren't cleaned up yet is obviously all Obamas fault. I mean, he's had 2 years, fer cryin' out loud!

How quickly the left forgets... Obama ran for election as the anti-Bush, on the promise of Hope, Change, closing Camp X-Ray and pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Camp X-Ray remains open (and military tribunals are about to re-commence), we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama just started a new war in Libya without making his case to the Congress and the People first.

Put down the crack pipe.

the fact that the Bush m... (Below threshold)
jim m:

the fact that the Bush messes aren't cleaned up yet is obviously all Obamas fault.

Ummm. Yes it is. When you run on a platform that says that you will repudiate those positions, that you will get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, that you will close Gitmo and you have had over two years to do so and have actually committed to continuing those actions and in some ways have expanded upon them it becomes your fault that they are still happening.

You never hear anyone saying that it was the fault of the English that we had slavery in the US. We got rid of the brits but we kept the slavery. We owned it. We fixed it. We didn't blame those that came before us for the problems that we continued.

The left and obama are lazy and hypocritical and unwilling to face the fact that they have failed. Either they failed to stand by their convictions or they have failed to admit that they were wrong in their beliefs. It's no one's fault but their own.

I am truly sorry for having... (Below threshold)
419:

I am truly sorry for having my head buried in Barry's ASS!

Jim - "They ca... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jim -

"They cannot accept that America has overcome slavery, the Japanese interment, segregation, the cold war etc and has done so largely without their help and often in spite of them.

They hate America because America identifies a problem, fixes it and moves on. America does not look at the failures of its past and say, "because we failed here we do not have the right to criticize anyone else". No, America says, "Because we failed and then faced our errors and corrected them we can stand proud and lead others in he same direction."

Very good point there - one thing I've noticed is that for the folks who like to indulge in such self-flagellation for past sins, the past is very much alive. Indeed, it's more alive than the present. It really seems like, to some, that it's not possible to go "Okay, we learned from this and we're not going to do it again." Once offended by something, they never let it go.

"The left believes that America should be another Hester Pryne, condemned to perpetually wear the mark of its sins and never to be allowed forgiveness for them.

I wouldn't go so far as to label it 'hate' - but you make all too clear a case for it.

Sooner or later later something's got to change. We can't keep on like this as a country - it's poisonous as all hell.

I am truly sorry for having... (Below threshold)
914:

I am truly sorry for having my head buried in Georgie's ASS!

it's utterly impossible tha... (Below threshold)
Idahoser:

it's utterly impossible that any one of that 17% really believes that. They [i]want[/i] it to be true, they are willing to accept what they get as long as they get the guy they voted for, no matter who or what he is. They will vote for him again so they get to be 'the decider'. But they don't any one of them believe it.

This is what we have to defeat. It's as difficult as the suicide bomber mentality. The same thing, in fact, to a different degree.

Idahoser,Oh, I don... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Idahoser,

Oh, I don't know... If one supposes a nearly 100% overlap between the 17% above and the 11% who believe the moon landings were a hoax...

Barry seems to support upri... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Barry seems to support uprisings from muslim extremists (Egypt, Libya, etc...), but not uprisings against muslim extremists (Iran).

"Egyptian women protesters forced to take ‘virginity tests’

Amnesty International has today called on the Egyptian authorities to investigate serious allegations of torture, including forced ‘virginity tests’, inflicted by the army on women protesters arrested in Tahrir Square earlier this month. "

And so it begins in Egypt....

The poll is quite useless a... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

The poll is quite useless and tententious. It is like asking conservatives if they like politicians who take conservative positions, or discovering that surprise, authoritarian personalities like authoritarian leaders, or finding out that moderates are more sympathetic to committee decisions etc,etc.

Bush/Cheney were very decisive on Iraq and went to war on the myth of WMD and their inner gut feelings. If they had been prepared to consult..or question their pre-judgements, their decison to go to war may have been different, but authoritarian personalities don´t like to ask questions or consult people whose views are different than their own.

Obama·s trademark personality is consensus decision-making and consults widely, for all his flaws, so naturally he is going to being perceived as less decisive.

Most of you have long ago formed your decisons on issues such as global warming or governments should stay out of health care and no evidence to the contrary will ever cause you to alter your decisions.

Crickless,You enga... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Crickless,

You engage in projection of breathtaking scope when you accuse conservatives of being impersuasible on the facts.

Pluck first the beam from thine own eye.

"It is like asking conserva... (Below threshold)
boqueronman:

"It is like asking conservatives if they like politicians who take conservative positions, or discovering that surprise, authoritarian personalities like authoritarian leaders..." or that - no surprise at all - arrogant and controlling intellectual elitists like politicians - and czars - who take arrogant and controlling elitist positions.




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