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Can you measure a movement by its followers?

The Church of Chicken Little is hoping the answer is no:

CharlesManson.jpgCrazed cult leader Charles Manson has broken a 20-year silence in a prison interview coinciding with the 40th anniversary of his conviction for the gruesome Sharon Tate murders - to speak out about global warming.

The infamous killer, who started championing environmental causes from behind bars, bemoaned the 'bad things' being done to environment in a rambling phone interview from his Californian jail cell.

'Everyone's God and if we don't wake up to that there's going to be no weather because our polar caps are melting because we're doing bad things to the atmosphere.

'If we don't change that as rapidly as I'm speaking to you now, if we don't put the green back on the planet and put the trees back that we've butchered, if we don't go to war against the problem...' he added, trailing off.

Must be a soothing balm for the true believer to know that they're on the same side as the much respected and scholarly Charles Manson.

Wonder if NASA's focus on climate change might lead to funding research into studying the effects of a movement that attracts people like him?

I'm thinking not.


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Comments (31)

Yes, and Hitler was a veget... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Yes, and Hitler was a vegetarian, so there!

Nothing says credibility li... (Below threshold)

Nothing says credibility like a guy with a swastika tattooed on his head.

He (as his followers as wel... (Below threshold)
mag:

He (as his followers as well)could have helped global warming if he was executed years ago.

Great! Former Vice Preside... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Great! Former Vice President Al Gore has a new commentator to work with Olbermann on Current TV.

Ironically, that Manson quo... (Below threshold)
Highlander:

Ironically, that Manson quote is no less coherent than anything Gore has ever had to say on the subject.

Well, unlike Al Gore he's c... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Well, unlike Al Gore he's consistent with his beliefs -he took out enough of those evil CO2 exhalers to serve his eco-gods.

Another fine example of how... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Another fine example of how screwed up the MSM is.

Who gives a shit what Manson says or thinks??

24/7 news cycle, Hank. The... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

24/7 news cycle, Hank. The media's got to be fed, it's not picky about the grub, and if some of what it ingests isn't exactly edible in the first place - it'll get flushed out eventually.

Or come back up, depending.

But seriously - Charles Manson as an AGW expert? We're somehow supposed to take what HE says as credible?

Yeah, pull the other one - it's got bells on it...

Once again the Wizba... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:


Once again the Wizbang borg fails to understand the true meaning: Even someone as demented and insane as Charley can understand basic science.......something quite above the Wizbang mentality.

Well, the real irony here i... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

Well, the real irony here is that liberal idiot stewdints on the Internet won't be able even to grasp the irony.

gnossoss, if you want to cl... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

gnossoss, if you want to claim Manson as one of your own, a fellow eco-warrior, an ally - that's just fine with me.

You have to be crazy to ado... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

You have to be crazy to adopt the beliefs of the left. Now we have more proof. ww

As I remember, Manson wante... (Below threshold)
epador:

As I remember, Manson wanted to polarize the races and start a race war by blaming the actions of one race on another. Now how does that sound familiar?

Unreal, now the media is gi... (Below threshold)
Olsoljer:

Unreal, now the media is giving attention to the words of Charles Manson - what next, phone calls to a psychiatric facility inmate to get information on drilling in ANWAR?

Manson is a poster child fo... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Manson is a poster child for anti-death penalty advocates.

Sentenced to death. Commuted to "life in prison". Now eligible for parole hearings (he's had several).

Gnossy -Might want... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Gnossy -

Might want to check this out...

And this graph. Remember, 1 K=1 C = 1 .8 F. (approx.) The temperature average in the lower troposphere has risen (squints hards, extrapolates) about .5-.6 kelvin in 3 decades.

Less than 1 degree F.

You know the funny thing about long-term cycles? They're long-term. 30 years? 50 years? 100 years? You're looking at a mayfly blink in the long-term cycles. You've got several multi-year solar cycles, you've got earth precession, you've got Pacific Decadal Oscillation, El Ninos and La Ninas to deal with - and how they all fit together.

And simply because we can measure something (whether it's temperature, CO2 levels, solar radiance and flux, planetary reflectivity, sea levels down to the millimeter via satellites and the like) doesn't mean that (a) we know what long-term implications of changing levels of x is, or (b) that plugging said numbers into untested computer models will come up with actual trends we can use to forecast the distant future. (We've got enough trouble with next month.)

And this.

So - we're ignorant of the science, and a nutcase murderer who was labeled illiterate but worked his way up to a 7th grade education is dead on? Yeah, Gnossy - keep telling yourself that.

Oh, add in the Roman Warmin... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oh, add in the Roman Warming period, the Medieval Warming Period, and the Little Ice Age into the mix, just for some volatility...

No, it is not intellectuall... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

No, it is not intellectually honest to base the validity of any movement based on whether some persons on the lunatic fringe support it. Liberals do that, because they lack intellectual honesty (and shame). Witness their whining and puling about the shootings in Arizona.

Tyrants, murderers and criminals may hold a variety of beliefs that may be liberal or conservative; that they believe such things is not indicative of the merit, or lack thereof, of that particular belief or movement.

What matters is whether these movements are fact-based and scientifically proven.

The environmental movement has proven itself more ideologically-driven than data-driven. They started with a conclusion and built the data around that.

Even someone as demented... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Even someone as demented and insane as Charley can understand basic science

I was a professor of chemistry for many years, and have doubtless forgotten more about science than you will ever know.

And I think global warming is rubbish.

But without boring you with talk about oscillator strengths and such, let me ask a rhetorical question: how could (anthropogenic) global warming be falsified? What data would suffice to kill the hypothesis?

Answer: none. A hypothesis that cannot be falsified falls outside the realm of science.

Another thing, speaking of ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Another thing, speaking of ignorance of basic science. Your imam, Algore, babbled about the temperature of the core of the earth being "millions of degrees."

That was risible. The surface of the sun is around 6000 K (the light temperature photographers talk about). So Algore, the renowned scientist who leads the AGW faithful, was off by three orders of magnitude in his guess.

But about climate, he's right on the money. Literally.

Manson is a poster child... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Manson is a poster child for anti-death penalty advocates.

Manson singlehandedly put me into the pro-death penalty camp.

Sentenced to death. Commuted to "life in prison". Now eligible for parole hearings (he's had several).

Next stop: he'll announced his candidacy for political office. As a Democrat, natch.

Sorry, one more.He... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Sorry, one more.

Here's Wiki's entry on Manson. Remind you of anyone?

Born to an unmarried 16-year-old named Kathleen Maddox, in Cincinnati General Hospital, Ohio, Manson was first dubbed "no name Maddox." Within weeks, he was Charles Milles Maddox. For a period after his birth, his mother was married to a laborer named William Manson,[10] whose last name the boy was given. The boy's biological father appears to have been a "Colonel Scott," against whom Kathleen Maddox filed a bastardy suit that resulted in an agreed judgment in 1937. Possibly, the boy never really knew him.

Several statements in Manson's 1951 case file from the seven months he would later spend at the National Training School for Boys in Washington, D.C., allude to the possibility that "Colonel Scott" was African American. These include the first two sentences of his family background section, which read: "Father: unknown. He is alleged to have been a colored cook by the name of Scott, with whom the boy's mother had been promiscuous at the time of pregnancy." When asked about these official records by attorney Vincent Bugliosi in 1971, Manson emphatically denied that his biological father had African American ancestry.

How do you define mentally ... (Below threshold)
914:

How do you define mentally ill? # 9 thats how.

Meet Barry's new Czar Eau D... (Below threshold)
914:

Meet Barry's new Czar Eau De Weather

"Can you measure a movement... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Can you measure a movement by its followers?
"

I dont know lets take a look at a few Obama voters (paraphrasing)

"I dont have to worry about my morgage or my car payment any more"

"Obama is giving away money" When asked where the (stimulus ) money came from "I dont know. It's his money though"

And we have the Lee Wards and woops "if you say anything Obama it is because you are racist"


So to a degree you can judge folks by their followers.

#22,So the major d... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

#22,

So the major difference beteen Manson and Obama is that Barry hasn't denied his father's African background, but may be falsely claiming it.
Interesting.

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OK, there is that demented, insane mass-murdering part, also. :-)

Weegie -"The en... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Weegie -

"The environmental movement has proven itself more ideologically-driven than data-driven. They started with a conclusion and built the data around that."

Environmentalism is one thing - rational use of resources, catalytic converters and such to keep the air clean, regulations to keep water clean and the like - all sensible steps. And I'd love to see us get off coal and oil - those things also make sense.

With CO2, they went way into OCD territory. Insisting that CO2 levels HAD to be controlled, brought down to whatever level THEY determined would be the proper ones, to keep the Earth's temperature at some undetermined level... when it'd been much warmer in the past. (MWP, RWP, and so on.) Otherwise, we'd have tornadoes! Hurricanes to stagger the imagination! Dying polar bears in the Arctic! Frying horny toads in the desert! Islands drowning as the icecaps melted! Penguins weeping in lush tropical forests in the Antarctic! All in just a very few years!

Yeah, what a crock of shit that was. It started smelling bad when High Priest Al Gore just happened to have a whole lot of carbon trading indulgences in his back pocket. And the ever-so needed windmills and solar panels were blocked by NIMBY environmentalists who didn't want them spoiling the views.

Unfortunately, the UK wasn't quite so lucky, and they're finding out that windmills in cold weather are power sinks, not producers, and the 'green' power scam in Spain failed right about the time it ran out of money...

It was all a good scam while it lasted, though, with all those conferences that heads of state could fly off to, and have a good time at taxpayer expense...

When they rewrite "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds", I'd say the AGW hype's going to get a whole chapter...

"Can you measure a movem... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

"Can you measure a movement by its followers?
"

I dont know lets take a look at a few Obama voters (paraphrasing)

My boys and I occasionally watch "COPS," or as we call it, "Meet Obama voters."

Whew, when you wrote about ... (Below threshold)
Mick McMick:

Whew, when you wrote about Global Warming Cult-Leader Nutcase Charles... I thought the next word was "Johnson"!

Manson also said "Obama is ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Manson also said "Obama is an idiot".

What does that say about the people who share the same belief?

Charles Manson, Ted Kaczyns... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Charles Manson, Ted Kaczynski, and Al Gore.




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