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Show Me The Money!

A bit over a week ago, one of the Huffers over at the Puffington Host (one of those not "on strike," apparently) got into a snit over the Tea Party movement.  Apparently, it's quite offensive that they are actually succeeding, while the leftists are failing. And RJ wants to know why.

It would help, RJ, if you'd give up on nonsense like this:

Why did Tea Partiers win such a major victory? Money, for starters. The Tea Party's generously funded by billionaires like the Koch Brothers, and ultra-conservative policies are given "nonpartisan" ideological cover by right-wing billionaire Pete Peterson and his network of allies and paid savants. Corporate campaign financing, now made limitless by the GOP's ideological packing of the Supreme Court, allows the mega-corporations of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to impose policies that crush the middle class and smaller businesses. And decades' worth of funding for ad campaigns and "conservative think tanks" (an oxymoron, perhaps?) continue to lay the groundwork for destructive moves like the one we so last night.

RJ here makes a very stupid mistake, but that's not so bad -- it's one that a lot of leftists make. It comes from the very common failure of projection -- they see how their side operates, and imagines that that is the only way things can be done. RJ constructs a chain of logic, but makes a jump at the end that completely unravels the whole chain.

1) There are a lot of rich people on the right. True.
2) The rich people on the right spend their money to push their interests and beliefs. True.
3) Among the beneficiaries of their largesse are right-wing think tanks, institutes, and organizations. True.
4) That's how the Tea Party is succeeding -- lots and lots of right-wing money.

HUH?

I've looked very carefully, and I don't see any signs that there is any big money involved in the Tea Party movement.

When you spend money, it tends to be rather visible. Let's look at the average leftist event.

They tend to have a lot of people, many of whom arrive on chartered buses emblazoned with banners. They demonstrate their solidarity by wearing matching t-shirts and holding up the same signs. They're organized by professionals, who secure the permits, put out the publicity,

All of which cost money.

On the other hand, Tea Partiers mainly provide for their own transportation, wear whatever they feel like wearing, and make their own protest signs -- none of which cost much at all. (One exception is a Tea Party event friend of Wizbang Rob Port attended -- in that case, a talk radio station chartered a bus for the event. But they then charged admission for the bus and turned it into a station promo event -- meaning that it was either a tax writeoff, or possibly turned a profit.) And they're organized through e-mail, blogs, and other social media -- all very low-cost or no-cost forms.

The watchword of the movie "All The President's Men" was the made-up aphorism "follow the money." Well, please -- someone follow the money from the right-wing billionaires down to the Tea Party rank and file. Demonstrate how these events show concrete indicators of having serious money behind them.

It just ain't there.

And that is what has the left so puzzled -- they are so used to being tightly regimented, organized down to the smallest detail, given their marching orders, and having very well-funded organizers to handle all the finer details. They are so used to needing "community organizers" to tell them what to be angry about, who to be angry at, how to express their anger, and even what to wear and hold while expressing it (ever wonder how the Koch brothers were suddenly promoted to Satan's Little Helpers?) that they simply can't imagine a community organizing itself without the help of their "betters."

Well, it's happening. And they have absolutely no clue how to deal with it.

That's why they need to find the mysterious puppet masters behind the Tea Party movement, so they can fight back. And when they can't find them, they will invent them -- they NEED that monolithic entity, that Great Satan, that they can challenge directly.

Which is why they fail. And which is why they will continue to fail. And which is why the Tea Party keeps winning.

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Comments (48)

RJ here makes a very stu... (Below threshold)

RJ here makes a very stupid mistake

I can sum up their mistake much quicker:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Jane Mayer, of The... (Below threshold)
Woop:
Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker, in her 10,000 word piece last August, peeled the cover off the onion of the Koch brothers' empire. And she focused not only on their personal wealth and family, but on their political empire building.

It was not, and is not, easy to get the details on the extent of their tentacles. They funnel money through 501c3 tax-exempt foundations, and they give money to other foundations, lobbying organizations, and right wing think tanks. They have PACs; they support candidates. Only a small portion of what they control do they divulge.

But it has now come out how involved they have been in funding Tea Party groups, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy ($12 million). [Check out a roundup of political cartoons on the Tea Party.]

We do know, from Mayer’s reporting, that the Koch brothers have personally given over $2 million to candidates over the last 12 years, their PAC has contributed $8 million to candidates, and they have spent $50 million on lobbying. The Charles Koch Foundation has given $48 million, and another foundation they control gave $28 million. David Koch’s foundation gave more than $120 million. According to Mayer, $196 million dollars in total was distributed in the last 10 years to conservative causes and institutions.

Jay says "no money here - move along" and it's actually hundreds of millions.

"It just ain't there. "

Bullshit.

Severe reading comprehensio... (Below threshold)
Carol:

Severe reading comprehension problems, Woop?

They give to conservative "candidates, causes and institutions" - just like liberals who give to liberal "candidates, causes, and institutions."

NOWHERE does that say that they gave to the Tea Party or that they organized the Tea Party.

But like leftists everywhere, if you can't find evidence you make it up and lie.

Disgusting. But they you're too far gone for that to mean anything.

Amazing -- Woop is actually... (Below threshold)

Amazing -- Woop is actually on my side, and giving proof that backs up my point -- and STILL insists that I'm wrong.

Teh Stoopid is strong with this one...

J.

What do you think would act... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

What do you think would actually happen if a Tea Party candidate somehow won the GOP primary and ran against a Democrat? I don't care which Democrat, mind you: Obama or Hillary; conservative, moderate, or progressive; Southern or from an elitist coastal enclave.

Would their humiliating defeat in the general election still count as "winning" if they succeeded in pissing off a few more liberals?

Neither the Koch brothers n... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Neither the Koch brothers nor their companies or foundations have ever given a single dime to FreedomWorks. It is a flat-out LIE which is repeated by lying leftist scum of the earth like Mayer and Woop.

We could forgive Woop because of his poor education and lack of intelligence, but Mayer is supposed to be a journalist and should check her facts. And what of her editors and "fact-checkers"?

Jay TeaYou have to... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

You have to give Woop a break now. He is staying on topic to some degree with his posts these days (since you threatened Olaf on him). Granted his posts still defy the very fabric of reality but baby steps Jay Tea, baby steps (and for woop that is SO appopriate).


What do you think would ... (Below threshold)

What do you think would actually happen if a Tea Party candidate somehow won the GOP primary and ran against a Democrat?

Well, hyper, that's actually happened. Several times. And in the majority of those cases, the Tea Party candidate won -- and if you don't believe me, just ask Senators Charlie Crist, Kendrick Meek, or Jack Conway.

Whoops, my bad. Those three aren't US Senators, because they were defeated by Tea Party candidates Marco Rubio and Rand Paul respectively.

J.

Eau De Woop-"Jay s... (Below threshold)
914:

Eau De Woop-

"Jay says "no money here - move along" and it's actually hundreds of millions.

"It just ain't there. "

Bullshit.

2. Posted by Woop | April 19, 2011 3:39 PM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)"

Cows do too but they don't brag about it.

"Neither the Koch brothe... (Below threshold)
Woop:

"Neither the Koch brothers nor their companies or foundations have ever given a single dime to FreedomWorks. It is a flat-out LIE which is repeated by lying leftist scum of the earth like Mayer and Woop."

Want to see how the right wing lie machine works - you have to watch their words carefully....

I built a genealogy for FreedomWorks and some of the other right-wing organizations last fall when the health care debate was being hijacked. I pulled every 990 and financial statement for every player I could find for a ten-year period and compiled the results.

FreedomWorks' predecessor was Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation. Of the three major players who donated large sums to Citizens for a Sound Economy, Koch charities were by far and away the largest donors, with nearly $13 million donated between 1985 and 2005. Other large donors include the Olin Foundation, the Coors Family, and the Scaife foundations.

Hundreds of millions of dollars have thrown behind the Tea Party by the Koch Brothers. Hundreds of millions.

But read the whole article linked in #3 above.

Hundreds of millions! And none of it directly traceable to the Tea Party movement, but dammit I know they got it! And they stole my strawberries!

...Koch charities were b... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

...Koch charities were by far and away the largest donors, with nearly $13 million donated between 1985 and 2005.

OMG! That's $650,000 a year! Why, why, that's a....pittance, you moron.

Hey Whoop-poop,Did... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Hey Whoop-poop,

Did you know you are an indirect employee of George Soros by taking a paycheck from Moron.org and/or Organizing for A-Holes (OFA) to troll conservative sites at a lame losers attempt to astroturf?

I find it highly amusing when stupid libtards like you bring up the Koch Brothers when you have a an evil douchenozzle billionaire like Soros paying you to spout Moron.org talking points.

...and FreedomWorks is tryi... (Below threshold)

...and FreedomWorks is trying to graft itself on to the Tea Party, to make it look like they're a part of it -- if not the leaders. But most of the people who organize and attend Tea Party events haven't even heard of FreedomWorks, let alone cheerfully take their money to do their bidding.

Woop... you fail at failing. No wonder you're a leftist.

J.

They love to focus on the K... (Below threshold)
Rich:

They love to focus on the Koch brothers and the ambiguous "big business" that contribute to the conservative ideology while turning a complete blind eye to Soros and other billionaires that contribute to the liberal ideology.
Not too mention(of course) most all of Hollywood from the actors to the producers and directors love to contribute and dabble in politics.
G.E. seems to be a huge corporation that has benefited from democratic investments.
Let us not ever forget that most all the biggest unions are all heavily invested in the Democrats. Unions are the worst parasites of them all. At least business creates a service or product that is sold to earn money. Unions just suck the money up from the middle and lower classes that are forced to pay them regardless of political leanings and use it to invest in the liberal democrats. How taking from the poor to giving to the rich fit in with the central liberal belief of spreading the wealth has got to be one of the biggest idealogical contradictions in the world.

Woop means to say that we o... (Below threshold)
epador:

Woop means to say that we only think this way because we've been brainwashed by Koch money and you can't be brainwashed by Soros money if you don't have a brain of your own to launder.

I don,'t get it?Why ... (Below threshold)
Hcddbz:

I don,'t get it?
Why is ok for BHO to have raised the most money in a campaign being a great thing that praised by the press and if republicans can get a quarter of that amount it is bad.

BHO says we wants to raise 1B dollars again that a noble goals.


Why is money bad in poltics if it raised by rich people and Special interest if it goes to R

However it great f it done by rich people special interest and unions it civic duty if done by Dems?

I don,'t get it?Why ... (Below threshold)
Hcddbz:

I don,'t get it?
Why is ok for BHO to have raised the most money in a campaign being a great thing that praised by the press and if republicans can get a quarter of that amount it is bad.

BHO says we wants to raise 1B dollars again that a noble goals.


Why is money bad in poltics if it raised by rich people and Special interest if it goes to R

However it great f it done by rich people special interest and unions it civic duty if done by Dems?

Whoops wrote:<blockqu... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Whoops wrote:

Hundreds of millions of dollars have thrown behind the Tea Party by the Koch Brothers. Hundreds of millions.

But read the whole article linked in #3 above.

Hundreds of millions!

Except that the article Whoops linked does not say that or anything like that.

The link that Whoops provided in #10 says that the Koch brothers gave $13 million to the FreedomWorks "predecessor" (Citizens for a Sound Economy) between 1985 and 2005. Twenty years. The "predecessor" then merged with something else to become a part of FreedomWorks.

Hundreds of millions!?

Where is it Whoops? Careful: when you get all hysterical, you start typing things you can't back up.


Woop, you nailed it, my man... (Below threshold)
Andrew X:

Woop, you nailed it, my man! I'm with you. Don't listen to these naysayers, we are dead right about the Koch brothers.

And that's why we need to focus like a laser beam on these guys. We need ALL our energy targeted on the Koch Brothers. There is no other issue or battle more important! Remember, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers! Attack them, and the Tea Party will blow away like leaves in wind. The brothers are the key, the main engine, the Sauronic Eye. Whatever we do, we CANNOT be distracted by surface issues that the Tea Party says is motivating them. On the contrary, just be clear that whatever they advocate, we must oppose, and that the well-trod path of the past decades that has led us to this glorious moment is the path that must not be deviated from at any cost.

And let's ever be clear, that if we just stay relentlessly focused on the Koch Brothers, we will bring them down, and then everything will start falling our way. But we cannot relent or be distracted. Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers!! They are the Ring-bearers!

Look! A Koch Brother! Go! Go! Go get 'im! Everybody.... Right there, HE'S the problem! Go!!!

Go after them, and it will fix everything. I promise! Trust me on this.

[ heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.]

Hmmm? Me.. wha....? Oh no, just clearing my throat, it's nothing. Don't worry about me. Koch Brother! Over there! Go!

For Woop 'Koch Brother' equ... (Below threshold)
914:

For Woop 'Koch Brother' equals a hopeful distraction or white rabbit chase.

Anything to avoid explaining the Won'z inability to be successful given the greatest economic potential possible in the greatest Country.


Boggles the mind to witness Barak's epic fail given all he has to simply use?

Whoop and Hyper, who do you... (Below threshold)
Stan:

Whoop and Hyper, who do you guys think controls the message that comes from places, like Huff Po, Daily Kos, Demon Underground, Media Matters, Think Progress, The DNC and other sundry liberal foundations and causes? It is their commander-in-Chief, George Soros. He personally contributes millions to these causes. Dollar to a donut, if Soros was a conservative, you guys would be calling for his head too. Your butt buddies already destroyed one good man, by lies and innuendo. The man is Hank Greenburg, the founder and CEO of the now defunct AIG.

I'd like to live on RJ's pl... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I'd like to live on RJ's planet. It sounds very nice.

Meanwhile ...

Koch/Koch in 2012!

We could do worse. Hell, we have done worse. Much much worse.

Leftists really are funny. ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Leftists really are funny.

The Tea Party is astroturfed, but union thugs and their supporters all show up in chartered buses wearing the same T-shirts and waving professionally printed signs is grass roots, as is the now defunct Coffee Party (should've been called the Massengill Party).

Sure.

I hate to use facts against... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

I hate to use facts against liberal "logic" but the Tea Party didn't exist in 2005, so all those paltry millions going into Freedom Works prior to the spontaneous evolution of the Tea Party in 2009 doesn't actually mean a thing.

It certainly doesn't have any logical connection to "hundreds of millions" of anything.

Liberals - the smartest people to ever not have a clue.

The left is pissed at the T... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The left is pissed at the Tea Party because they can't Alinksy it. So to work around that, they scream that the Koch brothers are funding it.

Too bad their full of shit........again.

WoopbtwHo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

btw

How much money do the unions donate to the democrats?

Also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

"In an interview with The Washington Post on November 11, 2003, Soros said that removing President George W. Bush from office was the "central focus of my life" and "a matter of life and death." He said he would sacrifice his entire fortune to defeat President Bush, "if someone guaranteed it."[46] Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, $2.5 million to MoveOn.org, and $20 million[47] to America Coming Together. These groups worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election. On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[48] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The online transcript to this speech received many hits after Dick Cheney accidentally referred to FactCheck.org as "factcheck.com" in the Vice Presidential debate, causing the owner of that domain to redirect all traffic to Soros's site.[49] Asked in 2006 about his statement in The Age of Fallibility that "the main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States", Soros responded that "it happens to coincide with the prevailing opinion in the world. And I think that's rather shocking for Americans to hear. The United States sets the agenda for the world. And the rest of the world has to respond to that agenda. By declaring a 'war on terror' after September 11, we set the wrong agenda for the world. [...] when you wage war, you inevitably create innocent victims."[50]

Soros was not a large donor to US political causes until the 2004 presidential election, but according to the Center for Responsive Politics, during the 2003–2004 election cycle, Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating President Bush. A 527 group is a type of American tax-exempt organization named after a section of the United States tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 527.

"

Talk about millions

Hey woop<a href="h... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Hey woop

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/19/unions-fuel-democratic-party-financially/

2008 and 2010 election cycles

•The AFL-CIO, whose president Richard Trumka is orchestrating much of the protests in Madison this week, donated $1.2 million to Democrats in 2008 and $900,000 in 2010.
•The American Federation of State, County and Municipal employees donated $2.6 million to the Democrats in 2008 and another $2.6 million in 2010.
•The National Education Association donated $2.3 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.2 million in 2010.
•The Teamsters union donated $2.4 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.3 million in 2010.
•The SEIU donated $2.6 million to Democrats in 2008 and $1.7 million in 2010.
•The Carpenters and Joiners union donated $2 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.1 million 2010.
•The Laborers union donated $2.6 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.2 million in 2010.
•The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers donated $3.8 million to Democrats in 2008 and $3.2 million in 2010.
•The American Federation of Teachers donated $2.8 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.7 million in 2010.
•The Machinists and Aerospace union donated $2.5 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.1 million in 2010.
•The Communication Workers of America, which includes employees from several television and radio stations and other publishing platforms, donated $2.2 million to Democrats in 2008 and $2.1 million in 2010.
•The United Autoworkers union (UAW) donated $2.1 million to Democrats in 2008 and $1.5 million in 2010.
•The United Food and Commercial Workers union (UFCW) donated $2.1 million to Democrats in 2008 and $1.9 million in 2010.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/look_who_trying_to_buy_the_election_ZJlWcQjzLQk1NRt82zLrLP

"Just when we'd been told the Chamber of Commerce had bought the election, along comes the American Federation of State, Country and Municipal Employees to pour nearly $90 million into the campaign.

According to The Wall Street Journal, this makes the public-sector union the biggest spender of all the outside groups. The National Education Association and the Service Employees International Union rank among the top five. Collectively, these three unions representing millions of public workers -- only the SEIU is majority private -- are devoting an estimated $170 million to an election Democrats insist that they are losing because of the nefarious influence of outside money.
...
In this sense, President Obama's signature economic initiative, the stimulus, contributed to AFSCME's extrav-

agant campaign to save the officeholders who voted for the stimulus. More than $150 billion in stimulus and other federal funds flowed to the states to ensure that AFSCME members were spared layoffs from the recession, or from potential reforms to loosen the fiscal death grip unions have on states like California and New York. "

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000077

". During the 2010 election cycle, SEIU spent nearly $15.8 million on advertisements and other communications known as independent expenditures that overtly advocated for or against federal political candidates, with Democrats benefiting from almost all of them'

Gee Woop

What do you have to say to those numbers.

I see hundreds of millions of dollars there.


Woop what about bi... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

what about big busines

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/democrats-rake-record-donations-corporations/story?id=9777742

Democrats Rake In Record Donations From Corporations

Poor poor woop got his ass wooped again.


Woop. Here's a business id... (Below threshold)
trouble4trolls:

Woop. Here's a business idea for you that could bring in some real cash which, of course, you can then donate to Obama and the other sure-to-win Demo candidates in 2012. All you need to do is work up a design for a wind-up "Progressive" that once its owner (George Soros or similar) sets it in motion never deviates from the straight line course its pointed in, patent it, and sell it to Whammo. They can then produce scads of them for sale on TV infomercials. George Foreman will be begging for a chance at this no lose opportunity. With some additional advertising on Puffington, DU, and Kids4Kos, it's going to be a sure fire best seller. And later, you can produce the new, improved version that recites some of Obama's most memorable phrases, such as "I Won!" Now you can't say you've never gotten any good advice on Wizbang.

WoopDo us conserva... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

Do us conservatives a favor please. DONT EVER DECIDE TO CHANGE PARTIES.

The Koch Brothers have give... (Below threshold)
Woop:

The Koch Brothers have given hundreds of millions to conservative causes and candidates - many with ties to the Tea Party and tea party causes.

And I just know that all of it ended up in the hands of those Tea Partiers. I can't find the proof, but I know it's out there! Along with that quart of strawberries! The Tea Party gets hundreds of millions of dollars from the Koch Brothers, and uses it for... something really, really bad! You can trust me! Honest!

It's all right here courtesy of your friends at Wizbang.


It's all right her... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
It's all right here courtesy of your friends at Wizbang.

What, you post a second time to an article that does not say what you claim it does? You are an idiot. Go away.


The Koch Brothers have g... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

The Koch Brothers have given hundreds of millions to conservative causes and candidates - many with ties to the Tea Party and tea party causes.

God love 'em. I share your high regard for the Kochs. They are true patriots.

WoopREf your post ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

REf your post 31.

Please read my post 30 and follow that advice.
I and the other conservatives on this board would really appreciate it.

BTW did you get beat with the stupid stick today? Well I a mean since it is a daily occurance was it done exceptionally hard today.


Somebody help me out here.<... (Below threshold)

Somebody help me out here.

Is the Tea Party tainted because allegedly the Koch Brothers have given money to people who may at some time in the last two years said the words "tea" and "party" on the same day?

Or are the Koch Brothers tainted because they have given money to people who may at some time in the last two years said the words "tea" and "party" on the same day?

Maybe it's both. That would make about as much sense as anything hyperbooblet and Doop are saying.

Do I detect some editorial ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Do I detect some editorial license using and Olaf's Keyboard on #31?

Or is woop starting to peak now? Those must have been wonderful mushrooms!

Maybe all those clue bats a... (Below threshold)
914:

Maybe all those clue bats are getting through to woop?


haahahahaha yeah right.

Hundreds of millions! An... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Hundreds of millions! And none of it directly traceable to the Tea Party movement, but dammit I know they got it!

Woop has no proof but he *knows* that the Tea Party is getting millions. Too funny.

Just like he *knows* that global warming is real, and just like he *knows* that if we just tax the rich a little more there wouldn't be any deficit at all.

Woop *knows* a lot of things despite the lack of evidence to support those beliefs or in some cases despite the evidence to the contrary.

Woop is probably like those idiots leaving death threats to Koch Brothers in Des Moines, an office supply company whose owners are not politically active, with Koch Industries, a very large business that has made donations to a wide variety of organizations. He can't be bothered with the facts. Better to leave death threats and maybe even murder someone innocent than to actually bother with the truth.

WINNING!... (Below threshold)
Chico:

WINNING!

This post is moot. The Tea ... (Below threshold)
john:

This post is moot. The Tea Party is withering.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/19/tea-party-rallies-getting-smaller/

john, will the Tea Party di... (Below threshold)

john, will the Tea Party disappear before or after Karl Rove is indicted in the Valerie Plame case?

In case you don't get that, that's me mocking you for citing Think Progress as a credible source.

J.

No, that's you going "err..... (Below threshold)
john:

No, that's you going "err... umm... look over there!" You see, I can't help but notice that you aren't disputing the facts.

JohnWhat exactly i... (Below threshold)
retired military:

John

What exactly is going on now to drive turn out? Are we in election season full bore?

Compare the crowds of tea party vs the crowds of unions in WI.

When something is going on than I believe you will see an upsurge in both sides of the political spectrum, the tea party and the idiots.

The biggest indicator that the tea party is still a force to be reckoned with is the amount of ink that the left uses to try to discredit. That is still in the hundreds of barrels phase.

Meanwhile lets discuss the antiwar movement. Where are they again? Why no coverage of Cindy Sheehan wanting to see Obama to stop the wars?

No, that's you going "er... (Below threshold)
Stormin:

No, that's you going "err... umm... look over there!" You see, I can't help but notice that you aren't disputing the facts.

Maybe if you had presented some facts, he could have disputed them. But ThinkProgress and facts don't go together.

I owe john an apology. The ... (Below threshold)

I owe john an apology. The "Karl Rove double-secret indictment" wasn't Think Progress, but TruthOut. Think Progress is the group that gives renowned clueless dolt Lee Fang space to spew his utterly incoherent and demonstrably false jihad against the Kochs. My mistake; I tend to see such idiots as interchangeable.

But john apparently didn't notice that it's an off year for elections, and public participation always tends to slump in off years. It's understandable, as Obama doesn't recognize such concepts; he's always in campaign mode, and his lickspittles tend to focus on that exclusively.

Go ahead and pronounce the Tea Party dead, john; that'll bite you on the ass real hard.

J.

I have found Woop. he is i... (Below threshold)
retired military:
WoopWant to talk a... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

Want to talk about hundreds of millions of dollars.

how about Obama in 2008.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/20/obamas-crooked-campaign-cash-o-matic-machine/

Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching. President Obama’s perpetual campaign cash-o-matic machine kicks into high gear again this week as the celebrity-in-chief heads to Hollywood for several high-priced fundraisers. But while the Democrats’ 2012 re-election team stuffs its hands into every liberal deep pocket in sight, questions about the Obama 2008 campaign finance operation still fester.

Last week, the laggard watchdogs at the Federal Election Commission announced an audit of the Obama 2008 campaign committee — which raised a record-setting $750 million. White House flacks are downplaying the probe as a “routine review.”

But there’s nothing routine about the nearly $3 million Obama has spent on legal expenses to address federal campaign finance irregularities and inquiries. Roll Call reports that Obama’s campaign legal fees have exceeded all other House and presidential campaign committees, including members of Congress under ethics investigations.

There’s nothing routine about the whopping $6 million that Team Obama has refunded to individual donors since Obama took office.

And there’s nothing routine about the 26 warning letters to Obama for America totaling “more than 1,500 pages of questions and data that outlined compliance concerns — including the longest one ever sent to a presidential candidate,” according to Roll Call.

Among the Obama 2008 campaign committee’s shadiest transactions that have gone unpunished:

– Foreign funny money. Federal election law bans foreign nationals from contributing to American candidates. But during 2008, the Obama campaign was forced to return an illegal foreign donation worth $31,100 made by two brothers in the Gaza Strip, and even mainstream news outlets reported that candidate Obama’s money-handlers had routinely failed to verify citizenship by checking donors’ passports. As the Associated Press reported at the time: “One donor, Tom Sanderson of Canada, made clear his $500 contribution came from a foreign source. He included a note that said, ‘I am not an American citizen!’ Obama’s campaign took the money anyway…”

Another illegal foreign donor, Australian Richard Watters, contributed $1,000, “entering a fake U.S. passport number — a random jumble of numbers and letters” onto the Obama donation website. “He said he also checked a box stating that he was an American living overseas, ‘because I could see it wasn’t going anywhere if I didn’t do that.’”

Obama raked in at least $2 million in overseas donations.

– Online donor credit-card fraud. Weeks before the 2008 presidential election, investigative journalist Ken Timmerman blew the whistle on rampant phony straw contributors slipping through the Obama donation site. Just one example: “Mr. Good Will” from Austin, Texas. Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.” Timmerman’s analysis of 1.4 million individual donations to the Obama campaign discovered “1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25. In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375. Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.”

Subsequent digging by conservative bloggers found that the Obama campaign’s donor website appeared to intentionally disable security protocols and facilitate illegal donations with bogus names, shell addresses and untraceable credit cards. Among Obama’s online “donors”: Bart Simpson, Family Guy, Daffy Duck, King Kong, O.J. Simpson, Mr. Doodad Pro, John Galt, Della Ware, Crazy Eight and Adolfe Hitler.

– Social justice funny money. In 2008, the Obama campaign wrote checks totaling more than $800,000 to a nonprofit offshoot of ACORN called Citizens Services Inc. The campaign claimed the money went to nonpartisan get-out-the-vote services. But receipts showed the funds paid for polling, advance work and event staging supplied by a nonprofit that supposedly does simple canvassing work on behalf of low-income people. The FEC allowed Obama to wave his magic wand and amend the records to change political expenses into non-political ones. As a Republican National Committee staffer commented at the time: “For a candidate who claims to be practicing ‘new’ politics, his FEC reports look an awful lot like the ‘old-style’ Chicago politics of yesterday.”

On a related front, ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief filed an FEC complaint last year over illegal coordination between ACORN and the Obama campaign. MonCrief publicly released Obama donor lists supplied to ACORN affiliate Project Vote, which were allegedly used to target maxed-out presidential donors. The scheme involved converting the expenditures by Project Vote, ACORN and ACORN-affiliated entities to illegal, excessive corporate contributions to the Obama presidential campaign, in violation of federal law.

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WildWillie:

I have gone to Tea Party events and communicate with some Tea Partyer's. What the left does not know and/or too stupid to learn is we are not "organized" in a usual sense. We hear about an event and decide whether to go or not. The property it is held on is either public or donated by the business. So anyone saying the Tea Party is whithering just does not understand the Tea Party. ww




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