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Beldar vs Obama on detention of illegal combatants

And the winner in the first round by a knockout is Beldar!

WaPo chronicles Obama's serial blundering over Gitmo

"The executive order promising to close Gitmo's detention facilities within a calendar year was never anything more than BHO-monogrammed bovine excrement so naïve and silly that it exploded violently on every contact with reality."

That's my 35-word précis of this 4300-word WaPo article entitled "Guantanamo Bay: Why Obama hasn't fulfilled his promise to close the facility."



Why yes, the naivete, the incompetence, the lack of concrete accomplishment, and the factual ignorance of the 0bama Administration are without precedent.


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So just like Libya he commi... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

So just like Libya he committed resources to a policy without any planning.

hcddbz,More like h... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

hcddbz,

More like he pulled a policy out of his @$$, committed the resources, and subsequently discovered that his policy could not be made to work.

And when the Bush adminstra... (Below threshold)
Woop:

And when the Bush adminstration wanted to close GITMO you clowns felt the same way, right?

June 22, 2007

The Bush administration wants to close Guantanamo Bay and move its terror suspects to prisons elsewhere and senior officials have told The Associated Press a consensus is building among the president's top advisers on how to do it.

The administration is looking to resolve the issue swiftly, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino told reporters Friday, although she said there's no deadline set.

"Everybody is working towards the goal to meet what the president has asked them to do, which is to do it as soon as possible," she said of shuttering the facility.

However, a scheduled high-level meeting Friday on the matter was canceled after AP reported on it and the White House said no decision is imminent.

"America does not have any intention of being the world's jailer," Perino said. She noted that the United States has announced plans to release about 80 of some 375 detainees, and hopes to transfer several dozen Afghans back to Afghanistan in the near future.

The Pentagon announced Friday that a new detainee had been transferred to the center, but added it was doing its best to reduce the population there, now at the lowest point in its five-year history.

Perino said Bush has directed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to work with her counterparts around the world to try to repatriate detainees to their home countries, make sure they are held safely and treated humanely and that they are not allowed to perpetrate acts of terrorism.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286113,00.html#ixzz1KYdByPtl

Naw, Bush was White - there was no reason for you morons to whine against Bush when he suggested closing GITMO.

But let dat HUSSEIN Mulsim born in Kenya suggest it and hoo-yah - big problem.

Asshats!

What struck me when reading... (Below threshold)
tamsf:

What struck me when reading that article was that not once (not once!) did they mention that opposition to the President's plans were driven by the fear that those released would go back to jihad and kill again. Not once did it mention that we already had hard evidence of this occurring even before 2009.

All opposition was presented as caving in to political opportunism and irrational bigotry on the part of everyone outside the administration.

CDR whoopycushion,... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

CDR whoopycushion,

Where in the article you cite is there an Executive Order requiring that the prisoner detention facility be closed within a year? Oh, wait, it says:

The administration is looking to resolve the issue swiftly, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino told reporters Friday, although she said there's no deadline set.

Somehow 0bama missed that too. Just another of the legion of inconvenient facts (then again, all facts seem inconvenient to the Unicorn Jocky in Chief) which 0bama and his administration routinely ignore.

And yes, you are indeed an asshat, whoop.

Hey Rodney - woop's just an... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey Rodney - woop's just an echo chamber. He doesn't actually READ anything for himself. Sort of like that last Congress - passing laws it never read.

I would blame the education system - except for the fact that it's doing exactly what liberals want - dumb down the populace.

It's working - just look at woop.

Bush said he wanted to clos... (Below threshold)
Woop:

Bush said he wanted to close it. What part did you not believe - when his lips were moving?

Nobody cared when Bush tried to close it... The point is that both sides tried to close it and failed.

But HUSSEIN is the bad guy? Silly wabbit.

"Why yes, the naivete, the ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Why yes, the naivete, the incompetence, the lack of concrete accomplishment, and the factual ignorance of the 0bama Administration are without precedent."

Yes, "unprecedented" as Barry's minions like to say every time he actually does something.

It's also "historic".

GarandFan wrote:<bloc... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

GarandFan wrote:

...- just look at woop.

Do I have to? I'm rather fond of my eyes and would like to avoid having to gouge them out...

Bush wanted to close Gitmo ... (Below threshold)
Woop:

Bush wanted to close Gitmo - said so publicly - and he failed.

No difference. Right wingers look like racist morons again. They have no standards or principals - it's just spew BS, get caught, throw some childish indults at their oppoonents, then sulk away and post more crap.

No difference.

Good Lord Woop you don't ev... (Below threshold)
John:

Good Lord Woop you don't even read what you write do you? What do you call this:

"Right wingers look like racist morons again."

You know it looks a lot like:

"it's just spew BS, get caught, throw some childish indults ( I think you were going for insults here)"

Could you do us a favor and:

"sulk away"

And Just like your butt bud... (Below threshold)
John:

And Just like your butt buddy Chico, you have zero moral standing to accuse anyone of being racist.

Whoop : by your own admissi... (Below threshold)
Gladius:

Whoop : by your own admission Bush wanted to close Gitmo but found out that nobody wanted to take the prisioners...oops...so we are stuck with them. Along comes THE WON with a PO that now shows the consistancy of his adminstration. They don't think things thru.Have you ever ever ever heard a congress critter say pass the bill to see what is in it? He even wanted to house them on American soil...that is clearly stupid, gulable any way you would prefer to call it but it is certainly not leadership.
Now that I think of stupid (Pelosi does that to me) JT you could have a contest on what are some of the dumest comments coming out of Obama's adminstration officals mouths since he took office...that would be good for some laughs maybe even a book deal.

Oh hell, if there's one thi... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Oh hell, if there's one thing damn near everyone knows by now, it's that Obama will read/say ANYTHING at anytime and none of it means a thing.

The debt ceiling, gitmo, gas prices, deficit spending, etc.....you name it.

Closing Gitmo in a year was another campaign candy thrown at the voters. Meant nothing, never will.

"Closing Gitmo in a year... (Below threshold)
Woop:

"Closing Gitmo in a year was another campaign candy thrown at the voters. Meant nothing, never will."

Bush made his annoucenement on June 22 2007 - as the Presidential campaigns got underway for the 2008 election and as Dems used GITMO as a campaign issue/club in the GOP.

Was Bush lying about closing GITMO? Of course he was - it was all a vacant campaign promise.

Again, no difference - GITMO promises unkept - no difference - except for skin color.

If this Faux rage is not as a result of Obama's skin color - and everything else is equal - which it is - someone want to explain why it's ok when Bush tries and fails but not ok for Obama when he tries and fails on the very same issue.

Sure looks like racism to me but feel free to explain how it isn't...

For those keeping score...<... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

For those keeping score...

  1. In the articles cited by whoop-di-doo George W. Bush is never quoted nor paraphrased.
  2. President Bush signed no Executive Orders concerning the closure of detention facilities located at Guantanamo Bay.
  3. The Bush Administration's attempts to find alternatives to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay were frustrated.
  4. Knowing all of the above, 0bama promised to close the Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay.
  5. Still knowing all of the above, 0bama issued an Executive Order to close the Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay within a year of his issuance of said EO.
  6. 0bama's Attorney General proposed to try KSM in Federal Court here in the United States. Congress told him "no" and in no uncertain terms.
  7. 0bama's cheerleaders have nothing beyond accusations of "racism" left to distract from 0bama's record of failure.

The Democrats are full of fail.

They have no standards o... (Below threshold)
Skt Captain:

They have no standards or principals - it's just spew BS, get caught, throw some childish indults at their oppoonents, then sulk away and post more crap.

Woop - you do realize you just described yourself, right? Particularly since you played the race card (unprompted by anyone else) in #3.
And doubled down on the stupid in 15.

Just what does MLK's dream mean to you, Woop? To me, it means judging people by the content of their character. Yours is lacking, Woop - since you always bring up RAAAAACISM in defending Homer J. Obama.

Skt Captain @ 17,I... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

Skt Captain @ 17,

Indeed. We are now about at the point where "racist" will join "fascist" as have no meaning beyond "The left hates them and has no answer for their criticisms."

Are you claiming Bush didn'... (Below threshold)
Woop:

Are you claiming Bush didn't try to close GITMO, Rodney?

Of course you aren't - because that would be a lie -- you're just parsing the truth to hide your racism.

The administration is looking to resolve the issue swiftly, White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino told reporters Friday, although she said there's no deadline set.

....

Perino said Bush has directed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to work with her counterparts around the world to try to repatriate detainees to their home countries, make sure they are held safely and treated humanely and that they are not allowed to perpetrate acts of terrorism.

Come on Rodney - spew some more crap as you try to hide your real motivces for pposting this.

Bush tried and failed - Obama tried and failed -- for those keeping score the only difference is that Bush is White and Obama is black.

woop remains full of racist... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

woop remains full of racist fail.

0bama knew, before ever he promised to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay that such had been tried and failed.

0bama knew, before ever he signed the Executive Order to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay that such hadn been tried and failed, yet still he persisted.

That is a difference having nothing to do with anything besides the content of character and one Chicago politician's inability to cope with reality. The only racism here is on the part of the Chicago Politician's sycophants.

Woop [a member in good stan... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

Woop [a member in good standing of the left but viewed as hopelessly insane by everyone else] has no answer to the criticism and thus keeps throwing the "racism" card.

You've exceeded the limit on that there card, woop, and all future charges will be declined.

WoopCommit comment... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Woop

Commit comment 16 to memory.

And in ref to your BS racism allegations I have a few words for you.

I along with many others are extremely tired of your unfounded BS allegaqtions of racism. You must feel that something is wrong with Obama because of his race as that seems to be the only thing that you consider when people criticize him. I submit that you are in fact the racist and I only hope that Jay Tea responds with the only reasonable response to YOUR RACIST crap.

OLAF
OLAF
OLAF

I hope others will join in my battle cry.

Woop,after triplin... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

Woop,

after tripling down on racism in this thread you are done here.

BTW WoopObama campai... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Woop
Obama campaigned on Closing GITMO – Bush Didn’t
Obama signed an executive order to close it within a year – Bush didn’t.
Obama is President, Bush isn’t.
Obama had a super majority in the House and filibuster proof majority in the Senate – Bush didn’t.


Tell us again why Obama cant keep his campaign promises and follow his own executive orders.
Again the only words which totally do YOUR RACIST post justice are these.


OLAF
OLAF
OLAF

Obama's campaign slogan for... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Obama's campaign slogan for the next election.

IT's ALL BUSH's fault.

(only the dumbasses will believe it but then again they are the ones who voted for Obama in the first place).

Rodney THANK YOU ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Rodney THANK YOU

please make it permanent.

Rodney"woop after ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Rodney

"woop after tripling down on racism in this thread you are done here.

"

He tripled down on stupidity all his life.

retired military @ 26,... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

retired military @ 26,

You'll have to talk to the management about that.

I do think that every future comment from woop which includes a charge of racism should be expunged. He's way over his limit on that card.

RodneyAgain a HEAR... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Rodney

Again a HEARTFELT THANK YOU for getting rid of the RACISTS from this site.

RodneyUnderstood. ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Rodney

Understood. I have already sent email ref this matter.

I urge other posters to do the same.

I am tired of the racist attitude that Woop displays. I dont mind discussions with folks who dont have the same idealogical beliefs. I detest having to put up with RACISM incarnate and crap that flows from the mouths of idiots.

Again I urge other posters to contact the site admins and make this condition permanent. Let Woop go to DU where he will be comfortable with his racist attitudes.

So Woop you are saying that... (Below threshold)
retired military:

So Woop you are saying that since Bush didnt sign an Executive order to close GITMO in a year that he was showing much better Judgement that Obama correct?

Using a different IP there? Hopefully Jay Tea sees that you were told you were unwanted in this thread and since you are violating the thread writer's wishes he attends to the situation promptly.

OLAF
OLAF
OLAF

And there it is folks the m... (Below threshold)
John:

And there it is folks the most recent playing of the Obama is just like Bush card! I just can't get over how much our liberal friends like Bush and his policies, I have a hard time finding conservatives willing to support so many Bush positions. I guess they were right when they said if I voted for John McCain it would be just like a Bush 3rd term (compliments to Ace)

<a href="http://www.timeson... (Below threshold)
retired military:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article674815.ece

"President Bush said today that he would like to close down the Guantanamo Bay prison camp on Cuba, but for the fact that some of the terror suspects held there were too "darned dangerous" to release."

Gee No executive order here stating that GITMO would be closed within a year. No supermajorities in the House and Senate to make it happen.

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Bush-open-to-closing-Guantanamo-Bay-240682.php
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush on Wednesday left open the possibility that the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could be shut down.

"We're exploring all alternatives as to how best to do the main objective, which is to protect America," Bush told Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto in an interview


Gee No executive order here stating that GITMO would be closed within a year. No supermajorities in the House and Senate to make it happen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286113,00.html

WASHINGTON — The United States is helping build a prison in Afghanistan to take some prisoners now at Guantanamo Bay, but the White House said Friday it is not meant as an alternative to the detainee facility in Cuba

Gee No executive order here stating that GITMO would be closed within a year. No supermajorities in the House and Senate to make it happen.


And the last 3 words I have to say onthe subject.

OLAF
OLAF
OLAF


Poor woop his hero promised... (Below threshold)
John:

Poor woop his hero promised to heal the earth but he can't even close gitmo. Over estimated much?

(CBS/AP) Presiden... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:
(CBS/AP) President Bush says he would like to close the detention center in Guantanamo in Cuba, but is waiting for a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on whether inmates can face military tribunals.

"Obviously, the Guantanamo issue is a sensitive issue for people," Mr. Bush told ARD German television. "I very much would like to end Guantanamo; I very much would like to get people to a court.

"And we're waiting for our Supreme Court to give us a decision as to whether the people need to have a fair trial in a civilian court or in a military court," he said in a transcript released Sunday.


Woop,

President Bush expressed a desire to do something in some unspecified future date. Part of this this desire was contingent on ruling by the Supreme court.

When that was allowed a secure court facility was built at Gitmo.
KSM and others were put on trail. KSM plead Guilty and was under going psychiatric evaluation. now that would have been 6 down several Hundred to go then the question is once everyone is tried where do you put them?

Would have been cool if we could have shipped them off to those jails facilities overseas. However they were bad places the media griped.

When BHO steps in and without a plan, knowledge or thought though that he could do "Make it SO number 1"


The next time woop tries to... (Below threshold)
John:

The next time woop tries to use his race card the clerk is going to take it from him and cut it in half.

It's kinda funny that Woop ... (Below threshold)
PBunyan:

It's kinda funny that Woop is always defending Obama by pointing out how Obama is doing the same thing that President Bush did... so I guess Obama is such a great President because he just like George Bush?

I do believe Woop is saying... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

I do believe Woop is saying that George W Bush was a great President. :-)

Obama has been doing "serial blundering" since Day One.
That's why I sometimes refer to Teh Won as "Homer J. Obama". (The Simpson's reference)

Actually I think Woop was s... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Actually I think Woop was saying that Obama is copying Bush because he (Obama) is lost and truly clueless and so he (obama) is looking to what has worked in the past as an example of what to try. The executive order that Obama signed was done on his first day in office. You know, the new kid on the block trying to say that he was in charge now. That explains how Obama did something so foolish.




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