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So you still think that global warming has nothing to do with religion?

Allow me then to bluntly and boldly state that you are completely full of crap:

In the 21st Century, carbon is the new accounting tool. Whether we're talking Main Street or Wall Street, our commerce and lifestyles demand the burning of fossil fuels. So let's face it: we're addicted to oil. And many feel that they have no choice but to go into carbon debt, and live beyond their carbon means: people feel downtrodden as daily demands compel them to live a life out of sync with their values.

And what are those values? Sustainability, clean air, clean water, good public transportation. Alas, millions in the U.S. do not have access to these things.  So, they get in the car to drive to the store; they take a plane to visit a friend; they crank up the heat in their homes so it seems like the tropics in December.

Every time we move, breathe or even think, we are using up precious carbon. We all have an impact on our environment, and we cannot always live in alignment with our highest eco-values: then the guilt sets in, paralyzing us, and we feel dis-empowered from making positive changes.

Feel guilty no more!  The Carbon Confessor offers you a compassionate heart and a place to vent your guilt and move on to a greener tomorrow!

No transgression is too small, none too great, that the gender-anonymous Carbon Confessor cannot hold in his/her bosom the patience and kindness to absolve your carbon sins.

But wait, it gets better:

Be released from your inner turmoil. Offer up your guilt and shame about your "pigs at the trough" lifestyle.

Cleanse your soul of the tarnish of bad decision making. Stay no more in the land of excess and gluttony (that's SO 1990's!). Put hand to keyboard and send your reckless tale of carbon overload to the Carbon Confessor. Be made pure again and live better. Give up the illusion of infinite carbon and walk somewhere.

The Confessor is available via electronic communication: 
carbonconfessoratsonicdotnet

Please note that to deter unwanted email, the email address above has the symbols "at" and "dot" written out (please convert back to the @ and . symbols when typing in the confessor's email address and all will be revealed appropriately).

Please indicate if you wish to have your confession included on the virtual confessions wall. (Names withheld to protect the guilty).

The authors of the site have issued a press release intended to soften the message:

Though mostly a humorous enterprise, The Carbon Confessor hopes to inspire new, improved behavior in his/her confessees. "Once you can let go of guilt, you have an opportunity to look at how to make better choices."

There you have it. The Church of Chicken Little in full bloom, now equipped with a means by which you can be forgiven for your sins.

Al Gore could not be reached for comment and we are unable to confirm that this might be because he's far too busy absolving all you sinners out there of your transgressions.

Heathens.

H/T Mark Shea.


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Comments (48)

Dear [email protected] (Below threshold)
Bill Johnson:

Dear [email protected] :

I might start believing you when you quit breathing. Until then, you're the only problem I see. Oh, and people who think like you.

Show us your compassion. Stop exhaling now.

Show us your compassion.... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Show us your compassion. Stop exhaling now.

It's for the children!

Forgive me Father for I hav... (Below threshold)
epador:

Forgive me Father for I have exhaled CO2.

5 Hail Al's and and watch AIT three times.

Had snow here in Central Wy... (Below threshold)
Stan:

Had snow here in Central Wyoming today. Was algore speaking somewhere?

Does the 'Carbon Confessor'... (Below threshold)

Does the 'Carbon Confessor' even realize plants breath in CO2 to make O2? Methinks not.

d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"

Father,Since Compute... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Father,
Since Computers consume power. I think you should walk door to door to take these confessions. You should not drive, or eat food not grown by you, no refrigeration or plastic goods. You should not use any manufactured goods since power drives the machine.
Finally no breathing.

Only thing left is 'the pen... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Only thing left is 'the penance'. Wonder how much that will cost?

And the scary part is that if told to do so; there would be folks out there who would send money!

"Be released from your inne... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Be released from your inner turmoil. Offer up your guilt and shame about your "pigs at the trough" lifestyle."

Did you ever take a crap so big that your pants fit better? Someone did and they came up with this site.

I feel so much better already.

This could be good.<p... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

This could be good.

Remember what happened when indulgence were issued by the Catholic Church?

Did you ever take ... (Below threshold)
RFA:
Did you ever take a crap so big that your pants fit better?

That is the best line I've heard in weeks. Audible Guffaw!

In olden days they were cal... (Below threshold)
glenn:

In olden days they were called indulgences. Wanna boff you neighbors wife/nubile young daughter? Pay the Bishop. Wanna steal something? Pay the Bishop. Somewhere here money is going to change hands.

"Somewhere here money is go... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Somewhere here money is going to change hands."

Funny you should mention that. When The Goracle was questioned at a Congressional Hearing - one question was the amount of money he stood to make on Cap and Trade.

Al never responded to the question itself. He was too busy portraying righteous indignation that anyone would question his motives for wanting to save Mother Gaia.

So if you don't like Al Gor... (Below threshold)
James Benison:

So if you don't like Al Gore, that means climate change is a fraud.

"So if you don't like Al Go... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"So if you don't like Al Gore, that means climate change is a fraud."

That makes absolutely no sense.

But to answer your questions separately; Al Gore is a fraud. And "Anthropomorphic climate change" is a fraud.

If there's one constant on this earth it's that climate has been CHANGING since Day One.

Perhaps the Neanderthals burned too much wood, thus causing climate change which killed all the crocodiles residing in what is now known as the Sahara Desert.

"So if you don't like Al Go... (Below threshold)
914:

"So if you don't like Al Gore, that means climate change is a fraud"


I dont like him and his brand of climate change is a fraud.

That must mean Barry is a fake using your logic.

Rick, the messianic fervor ... (Below threshold)
Alex:

Rick, the messianic fervor with which your own readers and commenters denounce as "white supremacist" (as if this were any argument to the contrary and not merely an infantile exercise in labeling!) those who point out the obvious - that race is a biological fact and that there are intrinsic racial differences which effect decisive differences in civilization building capacity - cannot have escaped your notice. You denounce the dogmas of others (in this case "global warming") whilst affirming your own. Not something becoming of a thinking man, wouldn't you say?

Does climate change ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Does climate change
Yes
Does man affect his environment
Yes
Is pollution bad
Yes
Is man made climate change real no
Is there evidence to prove it no
Have the models been proven false yea
Are CO 2 levels leading or lagging indicator of climate change. Lagging
Is everything from the earth good for life no

Is Al Gore a liar yes.
Was AIT factually wrong yes
Is surveys a valid part of scientific method?
No
Did the IPCC lye in their report?

Is man made climate change real?
Is man made climate change a means to transfer wealth from rich countries to poor ones?
Yes

Gore is the witch doctor te... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Gore is the witch doctor telling the people the volcano is going to erupt because the people angered the gods with their wicked behavior, and the way to patch things up with the gods is to give up the fruit of their labors to the gods with the witch doctor as the middle-man.

It's just a coincidence that the witch doctor becomes rich and powerful acting as the middle-man.

Al Gore, the other fat meat... (Below threshold)
914:

Al Gore, the other fat meat..

An intellectual framework c... (Below threshold)
Alex:

An intellectual framework capable of providing a 'bird's eye view' is evidently lacking here. It is fairly simple, the marriage of cultural Marxism (wholly Jewish in its origin) and neoliberalism serves the acquisition of power by our burgeoning global elite (in which Jews are vastly overrepresented in contrast to their proportion of the West's population). All permitted discussion which falls within the 'respectable' range of contemporary political discourse more or less serves to reinforce the ethos which according to its internal logic demands the dissolution of traditional nations, cultures and peoples (with, of course, the conspicous exception of Israel) - and thus elite power is served. This is true of elites of both the putative Left and Right sides of the enforced, artificially constrained political spectrum - George Soros and Rupert Murdoch being cardinal examples.

It's all about the money an... (Below threshold)

It's all about the money and lining their pockets

I call to the editor's atte... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I call to the editor's attention that this Alex character is here again, trying to pretend there is some valid intellectual rationale for his long-ago-discredited Nazi bullshit. There isn't.

Y'all remember the Nazis, right? The people your parents and grandparents in the Greatest Generation worked, fought, and died to defeat? Well, some of their mutated spawn are still around. One of this brood is named Alex.

Do what you want, Wizbang authorities, but if it was me deciding, this pseudointellectual fascist puke would be posting at Stormfront, not here.

Can I get an "Amen?"... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Can I get an "Amen?"

Bruce, Alex has done nothin... (Below threshold)

Bruce, Alex has done nothing that is against the posted rules of Wizbang -- he's tangentially on topic, he's refraining from personal attacks, he's not spamming or violating any copyrights, he's not calling for or advocating anything illegal. So on that basis, your inferred request that his comments be deleted or he be banned has no justification.

Further, comments are deleted only in extreme cases, and here I much prefer that they stand -- as they do far, far more to discredit Alex than they do us.

However, it is worth noting that there is an unpublished (before now) policy here that comes into play: "don't post stupid, offensive shit that pushes Jay Tea's hot buttons and really, really pisses him off." That tends to supersede other policies and bypass the normal "each author polices his or her own thread" and get me to break out Olaf The Troll God's hammer.

He'd crapped in one of my threads, so that's my fig leaf for acting. Thanks for the heads-up, Bruce.

J.

Alex, I think you a... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Alex,
I think you are close but Judaism just is not a factor.

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

Marx was born Jewish, his family converted to Christianity because anti-jewsish laws but in the end his views on all religion is that it just a drug.

So Judaism is not even tangental to Marxism.

Marx was really a hack. he was using the Utopian experiments many them based on a religions belief and claiming them as his own absent Religion. When these imaginary societies were tried they failed.
So what was learnt was you need it on global scale. If everyone does it then it will work.

So Alex let dismiss any one religious view form this. In most cases traditional religion like Judaism and Christian is not view in favorable light. However in some places like south America Christianity is co-opted into the world wide revolution and perverted.

The green movement creates a perfect religion for Marxist communist.
1. There no established moral tenants that could get in the way
2. It worship creates a means of controlling production
3. Pseudo Science employed allows it to also appeal to the the Intellectuals
4. Once can limit travel and interaction by claiming long distance travel should be limited for those who would do the most good.
5. It allows keeping people in smaller communities for greater control.
6. it appeals to Pagans.

Al Gore may be a pompous wi... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Al Gore may be a pompous windbag, but he held political office over eleven years ago. Most of you should be more interested what is happening now, in 2011, and the real governing choice between science and religious belief. Perhps Rick is alluding to this with the title of his post.When conservatives choose God over science

Conservative responses such as Governor Perry`s, after the Deepwater explosion and subsequent massive oil leak, questioning whether the event was.. “just an act of God that occurred”..or "from time to time there are going to be things that occur that are acts of God that cannot be prevented,” or more recently ordering Texas as the only state in the Union, not to comply with recent EPA regulations of greenhouse gases, and then issuing a proclamation for three day period of prayer for rain, may win pludits from conservatives, or to those who want to free global warming from religion but don´t seem very adequate to deal with the complicated issue.

The godless always steal Go... (Below threshold)
Don L:

The godless always steal God's rules to control their disciples. My favorite theft by the AGW deceivers was "stewardship." I always remind them, once they go that silly route, that the Person who invented that, told us that man is to have "dominion"(gosh they hate that word)over the animals and the land and seas.

How *dare* you fight Global... (Below threshold)
NikFromNYC:

How *dare* you fight Global Warming *IS* Caused By Man Science.

Al and Charles and Osama/Obama SEVERELY disagree with skeptics.

http://oi55.tinypic.com/2jb7fk7.jpg

Hey man, that's the LAST world.

End of the world.

Nigh.

The Goebbels' Warm-Mongers ... (Below threshold)

The Goebbels' Warm-Mongers circus is in town and the clowns are running loose.

Steve,I do not under... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Steve,
I do not understand where science is being chosen here.

1. Act of god is something that occurs which might not be prevent. You know such as damage from storms or other events it beyond our control.
Until someone does investigation into the spill know one knew what the cause was. it turns out that their were a number of factors and most of them was the fault of Trans Ocean, the manufacture of the BPO and then BP. Also the US government for not having the equipment on site. and reject help because of Unions. BP was an idiot for giving Billions to US government instead of doing litigation as it turns out the government is not giving the people who need it the money.

What does Texas EPA compliance have to do with their drought?
Look at the stupidity of Australia. Because of their belief in Global warming they they did not spend money on supporting flood control.
You saw the devastation of an Act of God combined with Global Warming pseudo science hundred of deaths which could have been prevented.

What the most significant green house gas? Water vapor but we cannot model it or charge people for it so it dismissed.

Methane is supposed to be more impact full than CO2 but people cannot make enough money on it so it left alone unless we are talking of killing livestock.


So let see your statement because Texas did not bow down to the EPA Medicine Man and sacrifice their productivity they are being Punished by Gea with drought.

While Australia implemented all the IPCC recommendations was rewarded with floods.

Pray for rain, that all we can do. Since the UN wants to band cloud seeding.

Alex - Jargon much? Sheesh.... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Alex - Jargon much? Sheesh.

hcddbz,"Marx was b... (Below threshold)
Alex:

hcddbz,

"Marx was born Jewish"

That is a pregnant statement on your part the import of which you apparently do not grasp. One cannot cease to be what one IS merely with the wave of a hand.

"his family converted to Christianity because anti-jewsish laws"

The logical reading of this statement is that you yourself believe Marx's family converted to Christianity not out of genuine conviction but for the merely instrumental benefit of avoiding persecution. So then, most likely an act of crypsis. Moreover, there is simply an abundance of Jews who no longer believe in the faith of their fathers yet are concerned with their ethnic interests. And incidentally, or not, Marx's grandfather was a rabbi of no small prominence.

"So Judaism is not even tangental to Marxism."

Marxism is yet one in a long line of intellectual movements of Jewish paternity that allege a secular age of peace and plenty will come into being if the faithful will work diligently for it. And, of course, "anti-Semitism" will be no more. These movements are obviously, though secular, millenarian in character. They are a secular transmutation of Judaism. It is wholly in keeping with the millenarian eschatology of Judaism that in the end of ages Jews will come to enjoy mastery over the goyim - these latter having been unburdened of their petty particularisms and peoplehoods - and that the goyim will serve their Jewish masters. The Jewish doctrine of "tikkun olam" - or "repairing the world" - is to render a world fit for the entrance of the yet anticipated Jewish messiah and Jewish rule. In its secular incarnations, it functions as a radical critique of gentile society intended to be transformative consonant with Jewish interests.

In the case of Marx, he was no different than any more or less original thinker. He was a product of his age, and more particularly his (Jewish) genes and family milieu. His thoughts were not thrust into the world de novo any more than he himself was. As I said, one cannot cease to be what one IS merely with the wave of a hand.

Whatever, Alex.Hey... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Whatever, Alex.

Hey, Jay Tea, is it considered a personal attack to note, once again, that this Alex guy is the mutant spawn of Nazi murderers and a pseudointellectual fascist puke who should be posting his wacko antisemitic conspiracy theories and racist bullshit at Stormfront?

If so, I apologize - to you, Jay Tea, not to him.

I'll stop now.

You are right Alex!<p... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

You are right Alex!

There are plenty of liberal Jews around to be sure. They have done untold damage and contributed to the decline of society -- not the least of which manifests as being traitors to their own heritage. In fact, they are apostate. I will concede that. There are also many liberals in general who do all the same things. Collectively they are destroying the country. So, I must ask: Why the focus on Jews as though they are the chief culprits? Is Bill Gates Jewish? Warren Buffet? George Soros? Ted Kennedy? Thomas Hobbes? Machiavelli? The selective Jew bashing suggests an ulterior motive. Yeah, the ADL sucks. So does Greenpeace, the Progressive Caucas, the feminist movement, the NAACP, labor unions, eugenics, multiculturalism, etc., etc. Your intense focus on one object as the manifestation of evil in the world makes you suspect.

BTW - What does any of this have to do with modern-day pantheism?

Dear Alex,"...that... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Dear Alex,

"...that race is a biological fact and that there are intrinsic racial differences which effect decisive differences in civilization building capacity - cannot have escaped your notice."

This claim is complete nonsense. I would love to see you prove that there are "intrinsic racial differences" that can explain "civilization building capacity." You must be a fan of Charles Murray, who makes all sorts of nonsensical claims like this--all based upon some incredibly unsupported assumptions.

While any good biologist or physical anthropologist will tell you that there are certainly biological differences between human populations, making the claim that "race is a biological fact" is a massive logical leap. Race--as understood by most folks--is heavily socially constructed. This means that what people think of as "different races," is mostly due to what they have learned to identify as such, and these "differences" are by no means genetically-based, let alone founded in scientific fact. Race has more to do with what people "think" they know than scientific evidence. From the molecular anthropologist

Here's a Jonathan Marks:

Races, as natural divisions of the human species, are thus rather like angels. Many people believe in them, devoutly. They can even tell you what properties they have. But the closer you try to examine them to discover their real nature, the more elusive they become. And ironically, the people who claim to be most familiar with them are the ones to be the most suspicious of.

"One cannot cease to be what one IS merely with the wave of a hand."

Again, your understanding of the connections between genetics, culture, behavior, and identity is severely limited. Identity--"what one IS"--is determined by a combination of genetic and cultural factors (yep, nature + nurture). Heritage, or genes, do not determine who and what people are. Genetics certainly plays a role, but that's only part of the story.

"He was a product of his age, and more particularly his (Jewish) genes and family milieu."

Interesting. I wasn't aware that scientists had isolated the "Jewish" gene (/sarcasm). Where is that located? On the mythical 47th chromosome? Once again, you're conflating genetics and culture. Judaism is a religion--otherwise known as a cultural practice. While many Jewish people share a common ancestry, by no means does being Jewish require a particular genetic makeup. People who share similar genetic heritage practice different religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. So there goes your argument, Alex.

But I will give you some points for using neat sounding words that *look* like they might actually have an argument behind them. I suggest reading some of the biological and anthropological literature that has been published since, say, 1910. Start with Franz Boas, then head to Ashley Montagu, and work your way forward to Stephen Jay Gould and Jon Marks. There is a special edition of the 2009 American Journal of Physical Anthropology that you might find edifying, if you're interested in what scientists in the 21st century actually have to say...

html mishap:The in... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

html mishap:

The intro to the block quote should read:

From the molecular anthropologist Jonathan Marks:

Somehow I threw some paragraph tags in there and everything went haywire. It happens.

Jeff, you're an utterly hor... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Jeff, you're an utterly horrible person for suggesting that liberal Jews are traitors to their kind. If you really believe that the measure of being a good Jew is simply to have political views that align to the maximal extent with your own, then you're nothing more than a stupid bigot.

hyper,Failure to p... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

hyper,

Failure to practice self preservation might be your first clue. One hand pretends a radical defense of all things Jewish while the other supports a a blatantly obvious enemy of the Jewish state like Barrack Obama. I guess name calling is supposed to negate the stubborn facts. You know, it's kind of like Democrats pretend to love America while simultaneously doing everything in their power to destroy her thus making them traitors to the American ideal. Get it now?

Hyper,It as valid ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Hyper,

It as valid as Conservative Blacks, Hispanics and Asians being called race traitors. Oreo, Banana and coconut Black,Yellow,Brown on the outside white on inside.
Why is that because they believe in conservative ideals of individual liberty , self determination , property rights and accountability?

Just like there are whites who defend and Support the Black racist Farrakhan all in the name of multiculturalism. The Black Muslim religion is an orgy of hate against the white race and Jewish people.

Then there are those who support Black liberation theology. A religion that states if God loves white men then we have to kill him.

When asked about this Pravda will often state, they cannot be real racist because minorities do not have power. In this way they show two things one a belief that no matter what things will always remain the same, secondly the racism of low exceptions.

Then you have Jewish groups like JFJFP and UJIA and ZF that while trying to be Global citizens often take the side of Hamas to show they are "open Minded" and able to criticize is Israel fairly.

The problem is that Hamas and Palestinians do not recognize the rite for Israel to exist as a nation.


So wich is reality ?
Which view point is bigoted?
Which group of people are giving aid and comfort to people whose stated goal is the destruction of race or people?

The truth is both sides will try and use rhetoric to shutdown arguments without getting into specifics. When merits of the case are debated it seems that the new liberals always fall short and then name calling starts.

AGW crowd uses same tactics

You do not understand science.
The Earths Climate should be static any fluctuation will bring disaster.


Your intense focus... (Below threshold)
ryan a:
Your intense focus on one object as the manifestation of evil in the world makes you suspect.

I agree with this statement. Anyone who automatically focuses all of their blame or hatred on just one group (often based upon stereotypical assumptions) should be a bit suspect.

This applies to folks like Alex, who have their own "views" about certain people, just as much as it applies to anyone who always focuses on "the liberals" OR "the conservatives" as the epitome of all that is evil.

Funny how that works.

How dumb do you need to be ... (Below threshold)
ZedQube:

How dumb do you need to be to not realise that 'Carbon Confessor' is a parody?!

Dumb enough to not understand the science behind global warming!

What science?The tre... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

What science?
The tree ring sample which were cherry picked because when compared with a boarder sample it would have produced an un desirable results.

Ignoring the mini Ice age?

Ignoring studies that show CO2 is lagging indicator by almost 100 years.

The fact that papers were rejected from the pear review process that discounting AGW not based on merit but on political wants.

The fact that society must change because of computer models that predict things decades into the future and when we reach that future and the predictions do not pan out because the models are flawed we hear. "We cannot find where the heat went"

AGW is not science it is faith, it is political, and the UN intends to use it to re distribute wealth and for population control.
It is 21th Century snake oil it not real science.

Does the Climate Change yes.
Is it man caused ?
is pollution bad yes. Should we work on that of course.
Look at the hole in the Ozone the Consensus it was cased by CFC and ODS. Now those were band and we have new Chemicals and are finding out the new stuff may cause more damage. At the same time studies are find that this maybe a natural occurrence.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
LONDON—The battle against global warming could be helped if the world slowed population growth by making free condoms and family planning advice more widely available, the U.N. Population Fund said Wednesday.
BONN, Germany — Carbon taxes, add-ons to international air fares and a levy on cross-border money movements are among ways being considered by a panel of the world's leading economists to raise a staggering $100 billion a year to fight climate change.

British economist Nicholas Stern told international climate negotiators Thursday that government regulation and public money also will be needed to create incentives for private investment in industries that emit fewer greenhouse gases.

In short, a new industrial revolution is needed to move the world away from fossil fuels to low carbon growth, he said.

"It will be extremely exciting, dynamic and productive," said Stern, one of 18 experts in public finance on an advisory panel appointed by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/OzoneHole.pdf

Ryan,Liberalism is... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Ryan,

Liberalism is an ideology, not a people. There is a remedy for those who are afflicted by it and inflict it on others -- repentance. I do not believe that liberalism embodies ALL that is evil in the world. I am sure there is some evil somewhere that an adherent has not committed or endorsed. Not for lack of trying.

Liberalism is an evil ideology. There is no good in it. When it is young it is like a troublesome teenage delinquent. When it matures it is the most monstrous evil ever visited on society.

You don't make friends with evil and you don't compromise with it or make excuses for it.

Perhaps one of the most destructive "liberal" falsehoods is that intentions count more than reality. That we must not rebuke evil ideologies because people "mean well" and there is "some good" in every one of them. That no single ideology is really superior to another.

You can play that game if you like. Count me out.

Jeff,Well, there's... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jeff,

Well, there's a polemic response if I have ever seen one.

"Liberalism is an evil ideology."

All forms of liberalism? Or are you referring to something specific? Classical liberalism? Neoliberalism? American Liberalism since WWII?

"Perhaps one of the most destructive "liberal" falsehoods is that intentions count more than reality."

Who is the main liberal proponent of this tenet? Who argues that intentions count more than reality?

"That we must not rebuke evil ideologies because people "mean well" and there is "some good" in every one of them."

Who makes the argument that we should reserve judgment at all costs? Who says that we have to reserve any and all moral or ethical judgment because there is "some good" in all ideologies? I must have missed that memo.

"That no single ideology is really superior to another."

Ok, I see where you are going here. You take issue with relativist worldviews. Got it. Mind you, there is a difference between an extreme relativist worldview (no judgment whatsoever), and one in which you accept the possibility that there can be value in other ways of life, thinking, and arranging society.

Ryan,You know very... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Ryan,

You know very well that I am not referring to classical liberalism. I refer to whatever the adherents of evil call themselves this week. It is rather difficult to pin them down because they keep changing their name as they wear out their welcome. Liberalism was a perfectly respectable word until co-opted and bastardized. Progressive also works this week. Who knows what it will be next.

Who is the main liberal proponent of this tenet? Who argues that intentions count more than reality?

Too cute, Ryan. It does not matter who the "main proponent" is but how widely such views have filtered down from the intellectual elite and are adopted "on the street." And they are widely adopted. Try Hegel and the Hegelian Marxists.

Jeff B,"You know v... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jeff B,

"You know very well that I am not referring to classical liberalism."

Now I do. Just had to check. Don't be offended.

"I refer to whatever the adherents of evil call themselves this week."

Ok, I see. So you're referring to an undefined mass of people who keep changing their name. Thanks for clearing that up. So what are the primary ideals of "liberalism" that are evil, in your opinion?

"Try Hegel and the Hegelian Marxists."

So you're arguing that Hegel and the Hegelian Marxists asserted the idea that "intentions count more than reality"? I just want to make sure I have your argument straight.

Ryan,Ok, I see.... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Ryan,

Ok, I see. So you're referring to an undefined mass of people who keep changing their name. Thanks for clearing that up.

You are welcome. Leftists like it that way. It allows them to avoid individual responsibility and hide in the anonymity of the crowd. There is a reason Stanislaw Lec said "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." This forever permits the petulant whine of "I didn't know" and "It wasn't my fault." A big snowball destroying civilization can't be blamed on one little snowflake, can it?

So what are the primary ideals of "liberalism" that are evil, in your opinion?

Your first is above. Avoidance of individual responsibility. Collectivism. Statism. Lack of respect for the sanctity of life. Destruction of property rights. War on productive work. "Redistribution" - taking the fruit of one person's labor at the point of a gun to arbitrarily distribute to nameless, faceless, unaccountable others - after keeping most of it in the corrupt entanglement of bureaucracy, of course. Race mongering. Balkanization. Class warfare. Neo-paganism. Environmental fascism. Pathological lying.

I could go on. Why don't you try to name one tenet of liberalism that is not evil? I can't think of any.

Take something as innocuous as teaching a child to read. Liberalism goes something like this: Children should learn to read >> Parents aren't qualified to teach them >> teaching reading is the purview of the state >> complete undermining of parental authority >> literacy declines >> flash scenes from Pink Floyd's The Wall.

So you're arguing that Hegel and the Hegelian Marxists asserted the idea that "intentions count more than reality"?

I certainly am, among others. The phrase "Utopian Idealism" means something. A fantasy of good intentions that never meets reality but for which we must nevertheless continually struggle to pay. No matter how monumentally destructive the failures, the Utopian fantasy persists.

What do you think is the idea behind passing a phantom healthcare bill that no one has read under the guise of "we must pass it to find all the good things that are in it?" Passing laws that no one has read or understands? Is this your idea of realty? Is this your idea of a foundation for a just society? There is your living, breathing metaphysical philosophy in action. All that was passed was an idea. A collective fantasy based on a foundation of lies onto which suckers could project their wishes. Evil in action. Liberalism in action.

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Jeff B,

"You are welcome. Leftists like it that way. It allows them to avoid individual responsibility and hide in the anonymity of the crowd."

So how do you define "a leftist"? Do you just know one when you see one?

"Your first is above. Avoidance of individual responsibility. Collectivism. Statism. Lack of respect for the sanctity of life..."

Thanks for the big list. Some questions:

1. Is government always the problem in your view?

2. By "collectivism" do you mean concern for a wider community, or are you talking specifically about communism or socialism?

3. Is the private sector free of corruption and coercion?

4. Do you think that liberals are to blame for all of the social, political, and economic issues that the US faces today?

5. Where do you place yourself? Are you a libertarian? A conservative?

Thanks.




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