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On The Passing Of Osama Bin Laden

Well,Osama Bin Laden is no more. Cornered in a US raid on his Pakistani compound, he refused the chance to surrender and was gunned down by Navy Seals. And while he richly deserved his fate, it behooves us to remember that the death of any person diminishes us as a whole, that all life is sacred, and the passing of any human being -- especially in an act of violence, at the hands of another human being, in a deliberate fashion -- is something to be mourned, not celebrated.
Oh, who the hell am I kidding?

WOO HOO!


Over ten years in the making. He's been largely irrelevant for most of a decade, but he was still an unresolved loose end that needed to be tied off. And we can never underestimate the psychological and symbolic value in offing the son-of-a-bitch.

But once the celebrations are over, we need to think long and hard about the circumstances that led to this joyous moment. And here are some of the things we need to consider:

Bin Laden's "hideout" was just outside Pakistan's capitol, across the street from a police station, and half a frigging mile from their "West Point" in a city filled with miltary retirees. And he was there for several years. How the hell can the Pakistanis say they didn't know where he was? Pakistan has some serious 'splainin' to do, and their possession of nukes can only protect them from major scrutiny so well.

The key intelligence that eventually led to finding Bin Laden was the nickname of his favorite courier -- and we got that from a Guantanamo detainee four years ago. It took four years to take that datum and get the real name, the real identity, and then find the individual in question. Then we had to follow him, figure out his base of operations (couriers, by definition, move around a lot, and figuring what's a base and what's a stopping point can be tricky), prove that the compound was Bin Laden's, and then prove that Bin Laden was there took four years. So, once again, President Obama has (quietly) embraced a Bush policy or program, and ridden it to victory. Candidate Obama would be gravely disappointed in President Obama.

Bin Laden's compound was designed to be safe -- but had several features that made it stick out like a sore thumb. It was large, to give it defensive strength -- but also made it the largest non-government facility in the area. It had very high walls to keep out prying eyes -- but those large walls made people wonder what was behind them. They deliberately didn't have phone or internet connections, to keep from being detected -- but that made them a "black hole" that drew attention, much like Holmes' famous dog that did not bark in the night.

For the second time, President Obama has personally authorized US Special Forces to capture or kill specific Muslim enemies of the United States -- and that ended with the deaths of several Muslims. First was Somali pirates, now it was Bin Laden and his closest cronies. And in both cases, I wholeheartedly endorse the action and applaud Obama's acting presidential. Now if he can only do it more consistently...

This was a victory in the war, but it was not THE victory.
Bin Laden has been "out of the loop" for years, and Al Qaeda hasn't pulled off anything really significant in nearly as long. Yeah, their "affiliates" have been busy, but they are the wannabes and the Jihadis-come-lately, not the guys who had such a string of victories over the US (1993 WTC bombing, USS Cole, African embassy bombings, 9/11).

Al Qaeda will now be desperate to reassert their power and relevance.
They will most certainly fail, but they will be compelled to try -- and the more spectacular, the better. And we will have to be very, very careful to detect and counter it.

Osama Bin Laden was denied his Muslim martyrhood. In the Islamist mode, a "martyr" is one who dies for his cause while killing others. Not a single American was killed -- or even injured -- in the attack. Oddly enough, his death is closer to the Christian definition of "martyr" -- one who is killed for his beliefs without harming his killers -- and I find that amusing. Further, the disposal of his body at sea means that there will be no shrine at his grave -- the best they can have is the site of his death, and I suspect that building will be demolished in fairly short order. I recommend it be replaced with a dump, or a pig farm, or a school for girls, or something else he would find most offensive.

I sincerely doubt that Bin Laden's body is actually in the ocean. I believe that Obama and his administration is lying about this -- I wager that the corpse is on ice somewhere, awaiting or undergoing as complete and thorough examination as possible,. including DNA identification and seeing if we can figure out anything about where he's been, what he's been doing, and whatnot. Only after that is finished will it really be dumped in the drink. And I'm OK with that deception. Hell, they'd be fools if they didn't do just that.

This was a very, very bad weekend for Donald Trump. First, he gets invited to the White House Correspondents' Dinner, where he gets cheap-shotted by Obama and everyone else in a venue where he's not allowed to respond, but just sit there and take it. (This is Obama's trademark dick move.) Then, on Sunday night, he has his "Celebrity Apprentice" show get bumped by Obama himself, announcing Bin Laden's death. I doubt that was deliberate, but it certainly looks like Trump was getting under Obama's infamously thin skin -- and Obama hit back.

So, Bin Laden's dead. Chalk one up for the good guys. But that don't mean it's over, not by a long shot.

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Comments (65)

Feed him to the pigs.... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Feed him to the pigs.

"It had very high walls ... (Below threshold)
jwest:

"It had very high walls to keep out prying eyes -- but those large walls made people wonder what was behind them."

I can't figure out why yet, but somehow this sentence sounds racist.

Kudos to "Seal Team 6" <br ... (Below threshold)

Kudos to "Seal Team 6"
Kudos to all those who managed to keep this quiet until we could pop Osama.
Kudos to GWB and Obama for getting this job done. Yes we must give Obama his do. In November of 2012 we will vote his butt out of office, but for today we must say "job well done."

This is not the end, but only the beginning of the War on Terror.

Wrap the bastard in pig ski... (Below threshold)
mpw280:

Wrap the bastard in pig skin and make sure he hits the bottom of the ocean face down. Sorry Charlie no virgins for you. mpw

Infamously thin skin,</i... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Infamously thin skin, Are you kidding me compared to whom: Donld Trump, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain? if you want to see tempers!

And it is pretty well over. I think Jay you have missread the Arab Spring. Al Queda is no longer the threat it once was. It is burning itself up, and America is no longer seen as the bogey in the Middle East, at least, until the GOP are not returned to the White House. Juan Cole writes,

Bin Laden was already a dinosaur, a relic of the Cold War and the age of dictators in which a dissident such as he had no place in society and was shunted off to distant, frontier killing fields. The new generation of young Arabs in Egypt and Tunisia has a shot at a decent life. Obama has put the US on the right side of history in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and Libya (where I see crowds for the first time in my life waving American flags). People might want a little help from a distance, but they don’t want to see Western troops deployed in fighting units on their soil.


I give props to Pres. Obama... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

I give props to Pres. Obama for pulling back on a remote strike on the compound and sending in the SEALS instead. Very good call, and classy to call W. personally to give him the news.

As to anyone who stupidly sneers that "Obama got the job done that Bush didn't," or similar vacuous nonsense, Obama couldn;t have done it without using the intel and military tactics and strategies that Bush put in place. It was a multi-administration effort, and ultimately, credit goes to the men who got the bastard.

Right after 9/11, Bush said we wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" but 2-3 years later said that getting bin Laden wasn't that important anymore. Critics called it a flip-flop, but it wasn't. It was a mid-stream correction. Getting the leader of a wide-spread terrorist organization won't do much good unless you also destroy -- anihilate -- the organization itself. And that's what Bush did, and Obama continues to do. While in public Obama will crow -- I would too -- in private he's likely being advised that this is but one victory in a long struggle.

So, Kudos to Obama to ordering the mission, our military for carrying it out, and Dubya for putting in place the wide-spread tools needed to do it.

"America is no longer seen ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"America is no longer seen as the bogey in the Middle East"

Tell that to the Muslim Brotherhood.

al Qaeda is an outgrowth (r... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

al Qaeda is an outgrowth (rather like a metastasizing cancer) of the Muslim Brotherhood, not vice versa. We have removed one of the more well known heads of a many headed hydra. Lots more work yet to be done.

Steve"Al Queda is ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve

"Al Queda is no longer the threat it once was."

Thanks the Bush and his stubborness in defying the dumocrats who would have thrown in the towel around jan 2002.

I know you two, Rodney and ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I know you two, Rodney and Garand, are pessimistic, but I have feeling, young people especially in Egypt in the cyber age of the global village, are moving well beyond the fossilized Muslim Brotherhood , and the Muslim Brotherhood knows it. They are not even contesting half the seats in the Egyptian Parliamentary elction or the presidency after that vote.

We won!!!I haven't... (Below threshold)
Chico:

We won!!!

I haven't read or heard anything denying there were prisoners taken. I wonder if they captured others at the compound. Where is Zawahiri?

There still a couple of mor... (Below threshold)
Stan:

There still a couple of more that need to take a dirt nap, or this case, water nap. The ones that I speak of are Usama's right hand man and the leader of the Taliban. Yep, you all guessed it — Mullah Omar. These two are just as despicable as Usama and in some cases worse.

The reason you haven't hear... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The reason you haven't heard anything about prisoners is that the US claims that none were taken.

Retired military, yes, Bu... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Retired military, yes, Bush gets praise for changing tactics and finishing the job which looked in serious jeopardy in Iraq, but at what cost, and don´t forget there had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until the invasion. The problem was there never were links or morale or recruiting points, with al Queda and Iraq. which Cole writes about, until after the invasion, and this was a god send for Al Queda and Osama until they, al Queda blew it, in the eyes of muslims, by bombing so many of their innocent fellow muslims.

The virgins can't be too ha... (Below threshold)
Shamspade:

The virgins can't be too happy at what they have to party with tonight. He really didn't come out of Pakistan with much of his face still straight. It's all crooked and distorted now, for some reason.

Just breaks my heart.

I'm glad he is gone, glad t... (Below threshold)
yttik:

I'm glad he is gone, glad the threat is removed, glad he won't continue to inspire others, but yeah, life is sacred and we're called on to be better than this. We could put his head on a spike and hold parades, but that doesn't say much for us as people. America was founded on these ideals that we recognize human dignity, that we distinquish ourselves from the enemy. We don't hang people's bodies from bridges, we don't target innocent civilians, we don't torture. Maybe we fall short of our higher calling sometimes, but these are American ideals and we should try to remember them. They are an important foundation of American exceptionalism and define who we are.

Bush was talking about inva... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Bush was talking about invading Iraq on 9/12. If he had spent more time going after Bin Laden in Afghanistan instead of thinking up reasons to invade Iraq, and then invading Iraq, Bin Laden would have been dead a long time ago.

(see retired CIA officer Gary Berntsen's book Jawbreaker on that subject - they were within a mile of Bin Laden and Berntsen was pleading for troops to seal off the mountain passes in 2001).

I wonder if I can get dispe... (Below threshold)
Yogurt:

I wonder if I can get dispensation from the Bishop, or if I have to go to confession for hoping he burns in hell...

Chica,The war in A... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Chica,

The war in Afghanistan started October 7, 2001. The Iraq war began March 20, 2003.

Sorry if history gets in the way of your bullshit. Bush spent two years cleaning out Afghanistan. Perhaps you could wake up to the fact that the dems all voted to go into Iraq as well and they did so based on Intel that dated back to the Clinton admin (and had voted to use military force against Hussein under Clinton as well).

Too bad that your vast ignorance of history keeps you from understanding world events.

Maybe it just me-- and don'... (Below threshold)
PBunyan:

Maybe it just me-- and don't get me wrong as I do think that Obama ordering the assasination of Osama was the right thing to do-- but I sure got a little uncomfortable watching the news reports of all the partying in the streets in NY and Washington D.C. last night. It kinda reminded me of watching the reports of parts of the Muslim world celebrating after the 9-11 attacks. Aproving of this is one thing, but celebrating it is a whole different thing.

But maybe it's just me...

ChicoWe were in Af... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Chico

We were in Afghanistan long before we were in Iraq. The cental idea on the war on terror was NOT to kill OBL but to kill terrorists (AQ was in about 88 countries at the time). The vast majority of the terrorists were in the middle east.

Look at a map of the middle east. Then look at what country is smack dab in the middle. IRAQ. What country had the resources of the govt behind it. Iraq. What country controls most of the water flow? Iraq. Which country (according to both sides of the political aisle) had WMD? Iraq. Which country has uranium? Iraq.

In short Iraq was the lynch pin for the middle east. Chess as in war, control the battle field, control the war. Iraq was the central battlefield.

If the whole reason for the war was to take out OBL than maybe you would be right but it wasnt. The whole reason for the war was fight terrorism.

Please stop with the recycled Dem talking points. You have no clue if we had put more emphasis on Afghanistan we would have caught OBL earlier. That is just conjecture.

Report says "DNA tests conf... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

Report says "DNA tests confirm Bin Laden's death". Fastest. DNA test. Ever.

Getting harder to believe by the hour.

Steve"don´t forget t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve
"don´t forget there had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until the invasion."

Why would there have been? Would AQ suicide bomb Saddam? When they both hated the US. Your statement is one of the stupidest statemens you have ever made.

Also ref training camps etc.

Let's see AQ was in like 88 countries pre 911, yet we are supposed to believe that they werent in Iraq. Yeah that makes sense. In addition, there were AQ training camps in Iraq. ANd of course things picked up after the invasion. All the terrorists were drawn to a ready souce of Americans right next door rather than in the US. Did soldiers die? Yes and I am not diminishing their deaths. yet soldiers realize dying in a foreign land means their families are not dying at home.

You and Chico need to stop recycling old demcorat talking points. Really. As I said. Stick to managing a grocery store. Hopefully you are better at that then national security.


Imotepref fast DNA... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Imotep

ref fast DNA test

http://www.metaphasegenetics.com/faq.htm

DNA paternity tests are usually completed within 3 to 5 business days from the day that the samples are received by our laboratory. You may call our laboratory during that time using your password and patient I.D. number to obtain the preliminary results of your paternity test. The results documents will follow by mail and/or Email as specified in the original requisition.

Figure they had a week. They would have had someone designated for this (and an expert) with the right equipment and no other priority. So I would say they had it in 3 day sor less.

Come on with the black helicopter conspiracy theory folks. If Obama made this annoucement and it was a lie than OBL will be on TV next week saying "sory reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" and Obama would have massive egg on his face.

OBL is dead. Count on it.


It's hard to deny that more... (Below threshold)
Chico:

It's hard to deny that more resources usually = more results. That was the rationale for "the Surge," right?

When you start cooking up plans for the invasion of Iraq on 9/12, that takes staff time, and takes resources off the table for immediate use in Afghanistan. They were pulling SF out of Afghanistan early in 2002 to get ready for Iraq.

The preparation and invasion, the occupation and the surge in Iraq drained enormous resources from the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan. You only have so many troops, aircraft, drones, etc.

Bush spent two years cleaning out Afghanistan.

Except Bush didn't clean it out, right? Which is why Obama went in heavy in another "Surge," right?

Bush and Rumsfuckup ended up fighting two wars in a half-assed way, to the detriment of U.S. victory in both. The biggest flaming fools ever to exercise National Command Authority.

So, we're leaving Iraq now and what ended up happening was an Iraq with a lot of Iranian influence.

When you start ... (Below threshold)
When you start cooking up plans for the invasion of Iraq on 9/12
You keep asserting this but offer no substantiation. Prove it or drop it.

You're a despicable piece if human filth because the only things you've had to say about this have been partisan bullshit.

"On The Passing Of Osama Bi... (Below threshold)

"On The Passing Of Osama Bin Laden"

That title is evocative of a bowel movement.

How appropriate.
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Many sources for Iraq plann... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Many sources for Iraq planning starting right after the planes hit the WTC.

Here's one: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

My bad. I said 9/12 - it was actually 9/11.

The point is that even though OBL is dead, he succeeded in bleeding the USA, blood and money, to an extent he never dreamed of because of Bush's hapless reaction and Rumsflap's idiotic planning.

Careful, McGehee. He might ... (Below threshold)

Careful, McGehee. He might bring up that we DID have plans for the invasion of Iraq on 9/12.

Of course, we have plans for invading pretty much every country on earth -- that's what the Pentagon does. But dips like Chico don't let reality taint their paranoid ravings.

J.

OBL is dead. Count on... (Below threshold)
John S:

OBL is dead. Count on it.

OBL has been dead for years.

So let me get this straight… Obama kills Osama but dumps the body in the North Atlantic, a week before the DNA tests come back. (We chase this SOB for a decade, and the only thing anyone cares about is Islamic burial rituals? I guess Obama is a devout Muslim, after all.) So, no body. No DNA. Then we hear they used face recognition technology for a positive ID… after they shot OBL in the face. So, the corpse of whatever Pakistani slob they shot is unrecognizable.

Then Bambi interrupts Trump's TV show, but waits two hours to actually make a speech. His self-congratulatory speech is followed by “spontaneous” overnight celebrations, full of TV-friendly large American flags. Every drunk college student carries one or two of these, right?

The whole thing stinks like a Nuremberg Rally, if you ask me.

But I see little political bounce for Bambi: $6 gasoline and $200 grocery bags will see to that.

It [al Qaeda] is burning... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

It [al Qaeda] is burning itself up

All by itself. Worst case of spontaneous combustion I've ever heard of. Nothing to do with George Bush or US armed forces. No sir.

Google <a href="http://maps... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Google Map of the Osama bin Laden compound.

Who said he was shot in the... (Below threshold)
Jim m:

Who said he was shot in the face? He was shot in the head. There's a difference.

And having done dna testing myself I can tell you that if you know what you are doing you can get it done in about 4 hours, but this bs that the media was reporting about them doing dna testing on the scene is just that, bs. In their scramble to get something to report the media has totally confused the story. It shows that they have spent too much time repeating a narrative and too little time doing real reporting. What probably happened was they did facial recognition on scene and then dna elsewhere.

Not much of a cave. Osama b... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Not much of a cave. Osama bin Laden was living comfortably for a long time, in a huge isolated mansion almost the size of the White House, bought for a million dollars, four blocks, from the Pakistan Miltary Academy, presumably because he felt safe there. Makes you wonder about the ISI, the Pakistan military Intelligence, in Pakistan, our biggest ally in that region in the war aginst terrorism? Others">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/pakistan-pressure-osama-bin-laden-death">Others are wondering too.

Pardon me, here is the prop... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Pardon me, here is the proper link to the Guardian story.

#34: Thank you for repeatin... (Below threshold)

#34: Thank you for repeating pretty much what JT stated at the beginning of the article.

Let's have a little exercis... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

Let's have a little exercise in compare and contrast shall we? Many years ago, Khalid Sheik Mohammed was captured and later it was revealed that he was one of a select number of Guantanamo detainees who was waterboarded (an interrogation technique that is not life-threatening) because standard interview techniques were not yielding any information. Here was the reaction form liberals to this bit of news:

"Bush is a war criminal. He should be impeached and sent to The Hague to stand trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. He is a murderer and a torturer!!!"

Let's fast forward to 2011. Osama Bin Laden is reportedly killed by a US Navy SEAL team and during the raid OBL is shot twice in the face according to these same reports. The reaction from liberals now?

"USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!"

Excuse me for being a bit offended by the hypocrisy of the liberal left. I have no problem giving Obama credit for having the courage to order a raid deep inside Pakistan. I did not think he possessed that kind of intestinal fortitude. But make no mistake: Obama has pretty much retained all of Bush's anti-terror policies and it has been revealed that information from Guantanamo detainees yielded perhaps they key information about OBL's trusted courier that led intelligence agents to the location OBL was hiding out in Pakistan. To ignore this key bit of information is being very dishonest. There is plenty of credit to go around and the vast majority of it should go to the military and our intelligence community.

chicka,Don't worry... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

chicka,

Don't worry. We blame Bush for Osama bin Laden's final demise.

Congratulations to the Navy... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Congratulations to the Navy Seals, our intel guys who did the prep work, and President Obama - three cheers!

By the way, it may have been a "mansion" by third-world standards, but the guest house at Snoop Dog's place is bigger and nicer. ABC has the pictures: http://tinyurl.com/6bproys

Only Crickmore would quote Juan Cole and think it bolsters his argument. Or does he just hang with that sort for the cool brown shirts and fancy arm bands?

Since the libs are celebrat... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Since the libs are celebrating Barry's 'accomplishment', I take it that they are okay with water boarding now?

Rodney Graves "Don't worry.... (Below threshold)
Darby:

Rodney Graves "Don't worry. We blame Bush for Osama bin Laden's final demise."

Amen!

I wonder how much those SEI... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

I wonder how much those SEIU guys got paid to wave American flags in front of the whitehouse last night?

Chico"The point is... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Chico

"The point is that even though OBL is dead, he succeeded in bleeding the USA, blood and money, to an extent he never dreamed of because of Bush's hapless reaction and Rumsflap's idiotic planning.

"

Which eventually paid off with OBL getting killed.

Connect the dots guy.

Also

"Bush and Rumsfuckup ended up fighting two wars in a half-assed way, to the detriment of U.S. victory in both."

The reason why it was messed up the way it was fought was that the bleeding heart liberals wont let the military do what they are supposed to do for fear of hurting someone's feelings or offending someone. We would have never got the intel for OBL if not for the dreaded enhanced interrogation at GITMO which of the libs had their way would have been closed long before KSM gave up any information.

Get your head out of your ass.

Liberal version of OBL deat... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Liberal version of OBL death

Obama became president, worked hard, stayed on goal and got OBL after republicans fumbled the ball for 8 years.

Actual version of events.

Iraq was invaded and terrorists came to it instead of the US.

GITMO was opened and KSM was captured.

KSM received enhanced interrogation and gave up the information which 4 years later resulted in the death of OBL.

Things left out of the liberal version
if Liberals had had their way

We would have never went into Iraq or Afghanistan

Saddam would probably still be in power

GITMO would have never been opened

No enhanced interrogation techniques.

We would have probably had more attacks on US soil. Libs would have blustered and blamed Bush.

OBL would most likely still be alive.

I'll say this much, thank G... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

I'll say this much, thank God for Obama and his administration.

I was actually dumb enough to believe that they were serious. That Pelosi and Reed and Obama and the like were sincerely anti-war.

Turns out, they were just lying to get votes. Turns out that the anti-war movement only got play from the media because they were politically expedient and supported by the Democrat party.

But now that Democrats are in control and hold the reins, it's nice to see that our media and the Democrats are sane once again.

Sure, it makes those anti-war types into suckers, but they deserve it. It also sucks that people don't realize what the Democrats and their supporters in the media are doing when they are doing it.

So today i'm a happy man. Happy to know that just like Bush and Cheney, the Democrat party is filled with warmongers.

The reason why ... (Below threshold)
ConcealedCarrie:
The reason why it was messed up the way it was fought was that the bleeding heart liberals wont let the military do what they are supposed to do for fear of hurting someone's feelings or offending someone. We would have never got the intel for OBL if not for the dreaded enhanced interrogation at GITMO which of the libs had their way would have been closed long before KSM gave up any information.

Let's not conflate things. The war in Iraq was executed extremely well. If anything, that was the problem. The war was over and done before plans to deal with post-war Iraq were in place. The war in Afghanistan was/is being executed about as well as any war in Afghanistan ever has been, given the geography and, yes, the culture, short of turning it into glass. GITMO is a separate issue altogether; that the Obama administration is having difficulty shutting it down, despite making it a central campaign promise and even announcing that it would be closed, is a prime indicator of the complexity of the issue. And that issue is separate from the use of enhanced interrogation techniques (at GITMO or elsewhere) and their utility.

ConcealedCarrie,Ir... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

ConcealedCarrie,

Iraq is actually the current world record for the rapid defeat of an insurgency, and the conditions there were actually more adverse than the previous two records.

The real question now is will Afghanistan and Pakistan pull in their horns or will they double down on stupid.

So, once again, Presiden... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

So, once again, President Obama has (quietly) embraced a Bush policy or program, and ridden it to victory. Candidate Obama would be gravely disappointed in President Obama.

You just can't give Obama credit for anything. What's kinda funny is that on March 23 you described Obama's foreign policy "you know what George W. Bush is doing? I'll do the opposite."

"...it behooves us to remem... (Below threshold)
Oldpuppymax:

"...it behooves us to remember that the death of any person diminishes us as a whole, that all life is sacred, and the passing of any human being -- especially in an act of violence, at the hands of another human being, in a deliberate fashion -- is something to be mourned, not celebrated."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You almost got me!!!

I get tired of Obots like T... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

I get tired of Obots like Tina who whine and complain that Obama never gets any credit from conservatives and he is not been treated with the respect he deserves. When did they EVER practice what they now preach when Bush was in the office Obama now holds?

The bottom line is this: the intelligence information that led to OBL's demise was the direct result of the capture, detention and interrogation of enemy combatants - a practice that was derided and maligned by the left as torture. Apparently in their eyes it is better to vaporize terrorists via Predator drone strikes than to capture them and waterboard them in an effort to obtain intelligence information. It just goes to show you that these monsters do yield actionable intelligence and that the idea that they only tell us what we want to hear is yet another liberal myth. The whole liberal approach to the War on Terror has been debunked by what happened over the weekend and the only reason OBL is dead today is because Obama did not follow through with what he said he would do during the campaign. Those are the simple facts. I will give Obama his share of the credit but to say Bush deserves no credit for this is blatantly dishonest. If Obama was President instead of Bush, the apparatus that led to his death would have never been in place because while he has been unable to dismantle it the way he said he was going to (politically realities have stopped him in his tracks) it is beyond ridiculous to suggest he would have done what Bush did after 9/11 if he had been in his shoes. That NEVER would have happened and if liberals were honest enough with themselves they would know that is true.

But make no mistake: the death of OBL is just another step in this fight. The war is not over.

Al Queda is no longer th... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Al Queda is no longer the threat it once was.

It ain't the only Islamic terrorist group out there. If there's a vacuum, someone else is gonna fill it.

The reason you haven't h... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

The reason you haven't heard anything about prisoners is that the US claims that none were taken.

And thank God, because we don't need the chance of a three-ring circus trial in New York, as they were talking about doing with the other bastard.

Maybe it just me-- and d... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Maybe it just me-- and don't get me wrong as I do think that Obama ordering the assasination of Osama was the right thing to do-- but I sure got a little uncomfortable watching the news reports of all the partying in the streets in NY and Washington D.C. last night. It kinda reminded me of watching the reports of parts of the Muslim world celebrating after the 9-11 attacks. Aproving of this is one thing, but celebrating it is a whole different thing.

Bah. I would compare it celebrating Hitler being shot and celebrating the Holocaust. The people who died on 9/11 weren't waging war on Al-Qaida or the Middle East (you might make a small claim to those who died in the Pentagon--but not on the plane). We are celebrating the head of mass-murdering thug.

At least we refrained from passing out candy and ululating, though.

Let me clarify the above ju... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Let me clarify the above just to stave off any midreads:

Celebrating the 9/11 deaths = Celebrating those who died in Holocaust====BAD.

Celebrating UBL's dirt nap = Celebrating Hitler's headshot===PARTY.

Getting harder to believ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Getting harder to believe by the hour.

Why? It doesn't take but about 15 mins to do a test. We have DNA from his family (remember, he has about 50 offspring, and most of them don't like their dad in the first place.)

So let me get this strai... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

So let me get this straight… Obama kills Osama but dumps the body in the North Atlantic, a week before the DNA tests come back. (We chase this SOB for a decade, and the only thing anyone cares about is Islamic burial rituals? I guess Obama is a devout Muslim, after all.) So, no body. No DNA. Then we hear they used face recognition technology for a positive ID… after they shot OBL in the face. So, the corpse of whatever Pakistani slob they shot is unrecognizable.

Then Bambi interrupts Trump's TV show, but waits two hours to actually make a speech. His self-congratulatory speech is followed by “spontaneous” overnight celebrations, full of TV-friendly large American flags. Every drunk college student carries one or two of these, right?

The whole thing stinks like a Nuremberg Rally, if you ask me.

But I see little political bounce for Bambi: $6 gasoline and $200 grocery bags will see to that.

1. Like Jay says, I wouldn't be surprised if UBL is in cold storage on his way back here and not in an ocean. That small lie would work for me.

2. DNA: If you got the lab equipment (and no doubt the support team for the SEALS do) and the matching DNA (again from his numerous offspring and family who AREN'T insane), you can have a fast turnaround time.

3. Face recognition. He took a shot above his eye...yeah, it probably blew out some brains from the exit wound in back, but the front is probably recognizable enough to do a recognition (See JFK autopsy photos for a comparison)

4. Interupting Trump's show: Yeah, that was probably intentional (the timing, maybe not the delay, but he's been known for his dickish behaviour as pointed out above. ) But NBC can rerun the show later. The celebration outside the WH started with only a few dozen people which grew over the course of an hour. You make a very bad assumption that most of the crowd was made of students.

5. Nuremberg Rally: the fuck?

Anyway, if you are still feeling sad about UBL, take a trip to Portland and go to the "Mourn Bin Laden" event, if you like.

The bounce: Here you are probably correct. He'll enjoy a bit of a spike for a few weeks, but the domestic reality will kill that. Bush Snr can attest to this.

Apparently in their eyes... (Below threshold)
john:

Apparently in their eyes it is better to vaporize terrorists via Predator drone strikes than to capture them and waterboard them in an effort to obtain intelligence information. It just goes to show you that these monsters do yield actionable intelligence and that the idea that they only tell us what we want to hear is yet another liberal myth. The whole liberal approach to the War on Terror has been debunked by what happened over the weekend

Nope.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110503/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation

Which muhummed are we talki... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

Which muhummed are we talking about? I mean, there's only like 2 million capable of the same stuff.

Which muhummed are we ta... (Below threshold)
john:

Which muhummed are we talking about?

I already read the article I linked to. Now it's your turn.

JohnI heard the fo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

John

I heard the former head of the "Get Bin Laden" CIA task force on TV last night. he stated that they did receive information from 2 subjects one of which was KSM and they were waterboarded. In addition, KSM was in one of the secret European prisons which the libs were all in a tizzy about and would have shut down if they had their wishes.

JohnSorry wrong guy.... (Below threshold)
retired military:

John
Sorry wrong guy. He was on the same show.

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/rep-peter-king-osamas-death-came-from-waterboarding-video/

Here is the video clip from Peter King stating that waterboarding was used.

Also the LA TIMES<... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Also the LA TIMES

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead.html

The trail to Monday morning’s assault on Osama’s Pakistan compound began during someone else’s presidency. That previous president authorized enhanced interrogation techniques which convinced folks like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to give up, among many other things, the name of their top-secret courier, now deceased. His travels ultimately led the CIA back to Osama’s six-year-old suburban home.

I don't get the connection ... (Below threshold)
Chico:

I don't get the connection between "limited government is good" and "the government should be able to torture people if they see fit."

The details of the intelligence for this operation are TS-SCI. How Malcolm or anyone can claim torture led to Bin Laden is mystifying. What, KSM said "he's in Pakistannnnnn" when he was waterboarded?

As for Rep. King, I'd be in favor of torturing him if the IRA starts planting bombs in our ally the UK again. He's the only Member of Congress that could be charged with Material Support to Terrorism.

"I don't get the connection... (Below threshold)
John:

"I don't get the connection between "limited government is good" and "the government should be able to torture people if they see fit."

Let me try to clear it up for, we'd like less government in the life of law abiding citizens of the US and more Gov involvement with terrorist animals intent on killing law abiding citizens. Hope that helps.

chicka,Has anyone ... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

chicka,

Has anyone mentioned to you lately that you are a frack wit?




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