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Journalist laments bin Laden death

I have no clue who Chris Hedges is, but he comes our way via stalwart Religious Leftist Mike Todd:

I know that because of this announcement, that reportedly Osama bin Laden was killed, Bob [Truthdig Editor Robert Scheer] wanted me to say a few words about it ... about al-Qaida. I spent a year of my life covering al-Qaida for The New York Times. It was the work in which I, and other investigative reporters, won the Pulitzer Prize. And I spent seven years of my life in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I'm an Arabic speaker. And when someone came over and told ... me the news, my stomach sank. I'm not in any way naive about what al-Qaida is. It's an organization that terrifies me. I know it intimately.

But I'm also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11--and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha--is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.

And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida--that's clear--he's kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide ... he functions in many of the ways that Hitler functioned for the Nazi Party. We were just talking with Warren [Beatty] about [Ian] Kershaw's great biography of Hitler, which I read a few months ago, where you hold up a particular ideological ideal and strive for it. That was bin Laden's role. But all actual acts of terror, which he may have signed off on, he no way planned.

...

These groups learned to speak the language we taught them. And our response was to speak in kind. The language of violence, the language of occupation--the occupation of the Middle East, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan--has been the best recruiting tool al-Qaida has been handed. If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire.

And empire finally, as Thucydides understood, is a disease. As Thucydides wrote, the tyranny that the Athenian empire imposed on others it finally imposed on itself. The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism ... these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral. So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know its intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took. While I don't in any way minimize their danger, I despair. I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight.

I'm completely baffled that anyone could speak such complete bull squat and believe it... and more baffled that someone would buy into the squat and even endorse it.

It's harder and harder to disagree with those who believe that liberalism is a mental disease.


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Comments (28)

Liberals are the same. No m... (Below threshold)
recovered liberal democrat:

Liberals are the same. No matter if they are "religious", atheist, politicians, journalists, actors and so on and so on.

Shit for brains. He piousl... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Shit for brains. He piously proclaims that he knows how BAD AQ is. We're BAD for fighting them. "Empire"? Like I said, shit for brains.

Meanwhile, we have the <a h... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

Meanwhile, we have the Dalai Lama's thoughts on the matter via PJMedia's Tatler:

“In the case of Bin Laden, his action was of course destructive and the September 11 events killed thousands of people. So his action must be brought to justice,” the Dalai Lama said, according to a summary of his remarks posted on his website.

“If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures” he was quoted as saying – a surprising message from a man known across the planet as a harbinger of compassion.

And while bin Laden may have deserved forgiveness, that “did not mean that one should forget what has been done,” the Dalai Lama said.

I'll take the opinion of the Buddhist over the opinion of a mohamadean any day of the week, and twice on Fridays.

God was busy, so he sent th... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

God was busy, so he sent the SEALS.

http://youtu.be/wxh-FfElY0M

Grandfan... where do you li... (Below threshold)
JSKD:

Grandfan... where do you live... I sure hope it's not the USA, because if you are so against what the US is doing to keep the nation safe, and you think we are BAD for fighting them... then you should seriously consider leaving the USA, and moving to another country that fits in your ideology... heck I would rather have the fighting in their back yard than mine.

JKSD,Go back and r... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

JKSD,

Go back and re-read the thread carefully. Or have mommy or daddy read it to you. Once you have done so, apologize to GarandFan.

So basically, according to ... (Below threshold)

So basically, according to this tool, we have two choices. We can surrender and lose, or we can fight them and become them, losing what we were defending.

I take fight. I'd rather burn the whole world down around myself than surrender to that bunch of uncivilized barbarians.

Islam needs a reformation. They need to learn that God is not on their side. They need to learn that they cannot impose their cultural preferences on the rest of us in the name of the God who is not on their side. They need to learn that as surely as we westerners had to learn it in our time. We learned it as a result of our religious forays into that part of the world in the middle ages. I'll be happy to return the favor to them all these years later.

No need to thank me, guys. You've earned it.

Sean,I'll ride in ... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves Author Profile Page:

Sean,

I'll ride in that commando with you...

That excerpt may be the mos... (Below threshold)
Suburban Scarecrow:

That excerpt may be the most stupendously idiotic thing I've ever read. I'm flabbergasted. This Chris Hedges writes for The Onion, right?

JSKD, turn the computer rig... (Below threshold)
Suburban Scarecrow:

JSKD, turn the computer right side up next time.

Really? Really?! I'm going ... (Below threshold)
ConcealedCarrie:

Really? Really?! I'm going to conclude that my reading comprehension is on the fritz this evening. Otherwise, I would have to conclude that Hedges just made the argument that the person who provides the ideological blueprint, signs off on actions taken and provides overall leadership for the evil done by the group he heads gets a pass, because he didn't handle planning details. That OBL (and Hitler besides) was some kind of semi-benign mascot, whose continued existence should be ensured so as not to make down-trodden Joe Terrorist upset. That's obscene.

The way I read it, he think... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

The way I read it, he thinks Hitler wasn't such a bad guy either. More of a spiritual mentor really. I love it when leftists talk. Just keep talking. Please.

Again, at the risk of beati... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

Again, at the risk of beating a dead donkey:

Once you accept leftism for what it actually is -- it's an organic brain defect, similar in many respects to schizophrenia -- the inane and insane rantings of left-wing idiots like this Chris Hedges character will not be so baffling.

AQ is named The Base. It w... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

AQ is named The Base. It was created to lunch Islamic wars all over the world. They were the ones speaking the language of blood. We were the stupid ones, we ignored them, we tried to be friends and every time they drew blood we kind of half lheartldly responded. . So AQ actions kept getting bolder and more bloody till it 9/11. At which pint we understood.
It was WAR. It was time breakout the Flag don't Tread on ME.
It was time for some good old Violent pacification. We now were speaking there language, yet we did a more refined one. We did not go in and ask them to convert to Christianity and if they did not cut off their heads. We did not try to kill as many civilians as possible. We did not round up Muslims in the USA. In fact we went out of our ways to not offend them.

NYT o wonder you guys love to publish any thing that provides aid and comfort to the enemy, with reporters on your staff like this.

This is the sort of blather... (Below threshold)
Brett:

This is the sort of blathering nonsense that passes for advanced intellectual thinking in the liberal arts college world.

I confess I share some of t... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I confess I share some of the writer´s misgivings. Having found out that Osama bin Laden had been found and killed in the same breath, I feel kind of cheated, especially with no body, no bones and now no photograph, just more grist for the conspiracy theorists. and that the adminstration which treats its citizens like children, we will only be allowed to see or being given the Disney White house keeping approved version of the end of bin Laden (if we are lucky), but encouraged and reminded at every oppportunity to watch the full horror of 9/11, of thousands of Americans being killed.

Emotionally, I feel the same as the Allies must have been to find Hitler had committed suicide in a bunker..a little let down. Any final words from Osama bin Laden or is the script still being written. The adminsitration seems to have taken full ownership of the story, so it seems we have more questions now that he is dead, that when he was hiding and on the run.

Leftards like Chris Hedges ... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Leftards like Chris Hedges are the first to lose their heads to islamic savages.

Western civilization and islam are inherently incompatible. They always have been and always will be.

Submit, be a dhimmi, classified as a donkey and pay extortion tax, or die. Those are your choices.

I choose to communicate with the only language islamic savages understand that is overwhelming force with no quarter given. Anything else is seen as weakness to be exploited, right along with "Why do they hate us?".

"Ignorance is curable, stup... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"Ignorance is curable, stupidity is forever." He fits the latter to a T.

"If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire."

That statement alone proves his rank stupidity, "empire"? Please, we don't want any part of that sandbox and there is minimal chance of any jihad johnny's making good on a play for 72 virgins in the US thanks to the police state its turned into.

Peace through superior firepower, and as is said down here in the South,

"Come get some."

People stupid enough for Ba... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

People stupid enough for Barry's cock and bull puppet show are just dumb enough to believe this tripe as well.

The so-called religion of p... (Below threshold)
Stan:

The so-called religion of peace has been spreading violence across the globe for centuries. They were the ones that were responsible for the juggernaut of the Mongol hordes that spread decimation and pestilence back in the 12th Century, when they assassinated the emissaries from Genghis Khan.

The Muslims had most of southeastern Europe under their thumb, until they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. Then they were rolled back, by the Austrians and their allies to what is now Turkey. So the idiots at the Slimes and other slick eared publications don't know jack about the Islamic terrorists going back centuries or they just want to bury their heads in the sand and let them take over

As I have stated elsewhere, these poor benighted fools don't realize that, just as the Soviets would have done, the Islamics will behead them first. Oh well, let the Muslims have their way with the leftist apologists. That will be a few less that we have to deal with later.

"And the killing of bin ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida--that's clear--he's kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide ... "

And for this he laments our decision to kill bin Laden. Because he didn't actually plant a bomb himself.

We, as a people, rejected that notion long ago. That's why accessories to horrendous crimes - those who don't actually take part in the crime - are deemed as guilty as those who do. That's why Charles Manson is still in jail and if we could have, we would have ended his life too.

So this is what passes as c... (Below threshold)
Hank:

So this is what passes as critical thinking among the liberal elite?

Guess that explains a lot, especially the phrase "useful idiots".

Now I know where the shit I... (Below threshold)
moseby:

Now I know where the shit I flush down the toilet goes...into chris hedges head! Mystery solved!

"So while I certainly fear ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know its intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took."

ROFLMAO! '...reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took.'???? I think he took his Hajj for the wrong Mohamed. He beclowns himself trying to romanticize a terrorist organization that would not think twice about killing a 'noncompliant" Muslim.

At least Mohammed Atta had ... (Below threshold)
John S:

At least Mohammed Atta had an operational role in the 9-11 attacks. Osama bin Laden maintained he had nothing to do with 9-11 and the FBI agrees. Look at the famous "wanted poster" and you'll see if Osama is NOT accused of the 9-11 attacks. That's why, even though OBL was captured alive, there will be no trial.

But I'm also intimately ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

But I'm also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world.

Yeah, we exist, therefore we humiliate them. We have functioning economies (kind of), people who can decide for themselves what to believe and how to dress - these things humiliate them. We are not sensitive to their feelings of inferiority, and this humiliates them. Instead of getting their shit together and ditching ideology that essentially keeps them stuck in the 11th century, they'd rather blame us for humiliating them.

Screw that!

Wait, there's a problem. Th... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Wait, there's a problem. The Chris Hedges link isn't taking me to The Onion....

I do believe we could intr... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

I do believe we could introduce this Journalist useful idiot to the 1980s' Classic
from SOD. Song from before the Arab Spring , 9/11 or the formation of AQ. A simpler time before we forced out language on them. A time when all was peaceful which promoted such loving song.

F*** the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their f***in' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

That was the 1980s maybe we need to go back Further to the 1780s to hear the true language of peace. You known before Israel was created by America. A time when America had not exploited the middle east for oil. A time before we consumed the wealth of the world. A time of true innocence. A time before the American Empire. A time when Muslims loved everyone.

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [12]

Looks like the only Language failure on our part was by not stating loudly and proudly

Don't tread on me Say don't tread on me

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
Once you provoke her, rattling of her tail
Never begins it, never, but once engaged...
Never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage

Say don't tread on me

So be it
Threaten no more
To secure peace is to prepare for war
So be it
Settle the score
Touch me again for the words that you'll hear evermore...

Don't tread on me

Love it or leave it, she with the deadly bite
Quick is the blue tongue, forked as the lightning strike
Shining with brightness, always on surveillance
The eyes, they never close, emblem of vigilance

No, no, no, no
Say don't tread on me

Metallica



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