I have no clue who Chris Hedges is, but he comes our way via stalwart Religious Leftist Mike Todd:
I know that because of this announcement, that reportedly Osama bin Laden was killed, Bob [Truthdig Editor Robert Scheer] wanted me to say a few words about it ... about al-Qaida. I spent a year of my life covering al-Qaida for The New York Times. It was the work in which I, and other investigative reporters, won the Pulitzer Prize. And I spent seven years of my life in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I'm an Arabic speaker. And when someone came over and told ... me the news, my stomach sank. I'm not in any way naive about what al-Qaida is. It's an organization that terrifies me. I know it intimately.
But I'm also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11--and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha--is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.
And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida--that's clear--he's kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide ... he functions in many of the ways that Hitler functioned for the Nazi Party. We were just talking with Warren [Beatty] about [Ian] Kershaw's great biography of Hitler, which I read a few months ago, where you hold up a particular ideological ideal and strive for it. That was bin Laden's role. But all actual acts of terror, which he may have signed off on, he no way planned.
...
These groups learned to speak the language we taught them. And our response was to speak in kind. The language of violence, the language of occupation--the occupation of the Middle East, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan--has been the best recruiting tool al-Qaida has been handed. If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire.
And empire finally, as Thucydides understood, is a disease. As Thucydides wrote, the tyranny that the Athenian empire imposed on others it finally imposed on itself. The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism ... these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral. So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know its intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took. While I don't in any way minimize their danger, I despair. I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight.
I'm completely baffled that anyone could speak such complete bull squat and believe it... and more baffled that someone would buy into the squat and even endorse it.
It's harder and harder to disagree with those who believe that liberalism is a mental disease.



Comments (28)
Liberals are the same. No m... (Below threshold)1. Posted by recovered liberal democrat | May 4, 2011 9:53 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Liberals are the same. No matter if they are "religious", atheist, politicians, journalists, actors and so on and so on.
1. Posted by recovered liberal democrat | May 4, 2011 9:53 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 21:53
2. Posted by GarandFan | May 4, 2011 9:53 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Shit for brains. He piously proclaims that he knows how BAD AQ is. We're BAD for fighting them. "Empire"? Like I said, shit for brains.
2. Posted by GarandFan | May 4, 2011 9:53 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 21:53
3. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 9:56 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Meanwhile, we have the Dalai Lama's thoughts on the matter via PJMedia's Tatler:
I'll take the opinion of the Buddhist over the opinion of a mohamadean any day of the week, and twice on Fridays.
3. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 9:56 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 21:56
4. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 9:59 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
God was busy, so he sent the SEALS.
http://youtu.be/wxh-FfElY0M
4. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 9:59 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 21:59
5. Posted by JSKD | May 4, 2011 10:00 PM | Score: -17 (19 votes cast)
Grandfan... where do you live... I sure hope it's not the USA, because if you are so against what the US is doing to keep the nation safe, and you think we are BAD for fighting them... then you should seriously consider leaving the USA, and moving to another country that fits in your ideology... heck I would rather have the fighting in their back yard than mine.
5. Posted by JSKD | May 4, 2011 10:00 PM |
Score: -17 (19 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:00
6. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 10:04 PM | Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
JKSD,
Go back and re-read the thread carefully. Or have mommy or daddy read it to you. Once you have done so, apologize to GarandFan.
6. Posted by Rodney Graves | May 4, 2011 10:04 PM |
Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:04
7. Posted by Sean D Sorrentino | May 4, 2011 10:18 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
So basically, according to this tool, we have two choices. We can surrender and lose, or we can fight them and become them, losing what we were defending.
I take fight. I'd rather burn the whole world down around myself than surrender to that bunch of uncivilized barbarians.
Islam needs a reformation. They need to learn that God is not on their side. They need to learn that they cannot impose their cultural preferences on the rest of us in the name of the God who is not on their side. They need to learn that as surely as we westerners had to learn it in our time. We learned it as a result of our religious forays into that part of the world in the middle ages. I'll be happy to return the favor to them all these years later.
No need to thank me, guys. You've earned it.
7. Posted by Sean D Sorrentino | May 4, 2011 10:18 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:18
8. Posted by Rodney Graves
| May 4, 2011 10:20 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Sean,
I'll ride in that commando with you...
8. Posted by Rodney Graves
| May 4, 2011 10:20 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:20
9. Posted by Suburban Scarecrow | May 4, 2011 10:25 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
That excerpt may be the most stupendously idiotic thing I've ever read. I'm flabbergasted. This Chris Hedges writes for The Onion, right?
9. Posted by Suburban Scarecrow | May 4, 2011 10:25 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:25
10. Posted by Suburban Scarecrow | May 4, 2011 10:26 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
JSKD, turn the computer right side up next time.
10. Posted by Suburban Scarecrow | May 4, 2011 10:26 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:26
11. Posted by ConcealedCarrie | May 4, 2011 10:28 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Really? Really?! I'm going to conclude that my reading comprehension is on the fritz this evening. Otherwise, I would have to conclude that Hedges just made the argument that the person who provides the ideological blueprint, signs off on actions taken and provides overall leadership for the evil done by the group he heads gets a pass, because he didn't handle planning details. That OBL (and Hitler besides) was some kind of semi-benign mascot, whose continued existence should be ensured so as not to make down-trodden Joe Terrorist upset. That's obscene.
11. Posted by ConcealedCarrie | May 4, 2011 10:28 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 22:28
12. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | May 4, 2011 10:31 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
The way I read it, he thinks Hitler wasn't such a bad guy either. More of a spiritual mentor really. I love it when leftists talk. Just keep talking. Please.
12. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | May 4, 2011 10:31 PM |
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Posted on May 4, 2011 22:31
13. Posted by Tsar Nicholas II | May 4, 2011 10:32 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Again, at the risk of beating a dead donkey:
Once you accept leftism for what it actually is -- it's an organic brain defect, similar in many respects to schizophrenia -- the inane and insane rantings of left-wing idiots like this Chris Hedges character will not be so baffling.
13. Posted by Tsar Nicholas II | May 4, 2011 10:32 PM |
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Posted on May 4, 2011 22:32
14. Posted by hcddbz | May 4, 2011 10:33 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
AQ is named The Base. It was created to lunch Islamic wars all over the world. They were the ones speaking the language of blood. We were the stupid ones, we ignored them, we tried to be friends and every time they drew blood we kind of half lheartldly responded. . So AQ actions kept getting bolder and more bloody till it 9/11. At which pint we understood.
It was WAR. It was time breakout the Flag don't Tread on ME.
It was time for some good old Violent pacification. We now were speaking there language, yet we did a more refined one. We did not go in and ask them to convert to Christianity and if they did not cut off their heads. We did not try to kill as many civilians as possible. We did not round up Muslims in the USA. In fact we went out of our ways to not offend them.
NYT o wonder you guys love to publish any thing that provides aid and comfort to the enemy, with reporters on your staff like this.
14. Posted by hcddbz | May 4, 2011 10:33 PM |
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Posted on May 4, 2011 22:33
15. Posted by Brett | May 4, 2011 10:41 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
This is the sort of blathering nonsense that passes for advanced intellectual thinking in the liberal arts college world.
15. Posted by Brett | May 4, 2011 10:41 PM |
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Posted on May 4, 2011 22:41
16. Posted by Steve Crickmore | May 4, 2011 10:50 PM | Score: -1 (7 votes cast)
I confess I share some of the writer´s misgivings. Having found out that Osama bin Laden had been found and killed in the same breath, I feel kind of cheated, especially with no body, no bones and now no photograph, just more grist for the conspiracy theorists. and that the adminstration which treats its citizens like children, we will only be allowed to see or being given the Disney White house keeping approved version of the end of bin Laden (if we are lucky), but encouraged and reminded at every oppportunity to watch the full horror of 9/11, of thousands of Americans being killed.
Emotionally, I feel the same as the Allies must have been to find Hitler had committed suicide in a bunker..a little let down. Any final words from Osama bin Laden or is the script still being written. The adminsitration seems to have taken full ownership of the story, so it seems we have more questions now that he is dead, that when he was hiding and on the run.
16. Posted by Steve Crickmore | May 4, 2011 10:50 PM |
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Posted on May 4, 2011 22:50
17. Posted by TexBob | May 4, 2011 11:01 PM | Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Leftards like Chris Hedges are the first to lose their heads to islamic savages.
Western civilization and islam are inherently incompatible. They always have been and always will be.
Submit, be a dhimmi, classified as a donkey and pay extortion tax, or die. Those are your choices.
I choose to communicate with the only language islamic savages understand that is overwhelming force with no quarter given. Anything else is seen as weakness to be exploited, right along with "Why do they hate us?".
17. Posted by TexBob | May 4, 2011 11:01 PM |
Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 23:01
18. Posted by Gmac | May 4, 2011 11:28 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
"Ignorance is curable, stupidity is forever." He fits the latter to a T.
"If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire."
That statement alone proves his rank stupidity, "empire"? Please, we don't want any part of that sandbox and there is minimal chance of any jihad johnny's making good on a play for 72 virgins in the US thanks to the police state its turned into.
Peace through superior firepower, and as is said down here in the South,
"Come get some."
18. Posted by Gmac | May 4, 2011 11:28 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 23:28
19. Posted by Sep14 | May 4, 2011 11:28 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
People stupid enough for Barry's cock and bull puppet show are just dumb enough to believe this tripe as well.
19. Posted by Sep14 | May 4, 2011 11:28 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 23:28
20. Posted by Stan | May 4, 2011 11:50 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
The so-called religion of peace has been spreading violence across the globe for centuries. They were the ones that were responsible for the juggernaut of the Mongol hordes that spread decimation and pestilence back in the 12th Century, when they assassinated the emissaries from Genghis Khan.
The Muslims had most of southeastern Europe under their thumb, until they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. Then they were rolled back, by the Austrians and their allies to what is now Turkey. So the idiots at the Slimes and other slick eared publications don't know jack about the Islamic terrorists going back centuries or they just want to bury their heads in the sand and let them take over
As I have stated elsewhere, these poor benighted fools don't realize that, just as the Soviets would have done, the Islamics will behead them first. Oh well, let the Muslims have their way with the leftist apologists. That will be a few less that we have to deal with later.
20. Posted by Stan | May 4, 2011 11:50 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 4, 2011 23:50
21. Posted by Oyster | May 5, 2011 6:25 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
"And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida--that's clear--he's kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide ... "
And for this he laments our decision to kill bin Laden. Because he didn't actually plant a bomb himself.
We, as a people, rejected that notion long ago. That's why accessories to horrendous crimes - those who don't actually take part in the crime - are deemed as guilty as those who do. That's why Charles Manson is still in jail and if we could have, we would have ended his life too.
21. Posted by Oyster | May 5, 2011 6:25 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 06:25
22. Posted by Hank | May 5, 2011 7:58 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
So this is what passes as critical thinking among the liberal elite?
Guess that explains a lot, especially the phrase "useful idiots".
22. Posted by Hank | May 5, 2011 7:58 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 07:58
23. Posted by moseby | May 5, 2011 8:35 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Now I know where the shit I flush down the toilet goes...into chris hedges head! Mystery solved!
23. Posted by moseby | May 5, 2011 8:35 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 08:35
24. Posted by DaveD | May 5, 2011 9:02 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know its intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took."
ROFLMAO! '...reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took.'???? I think he took his Hajj for the wrong Mohamed. He beclowns himself trying to romanticize a terrorist organization that would not think twice about killing a 'noncompliant" Muslim.
24. Posted by DaveD | May 5, 2011 9:02 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 09:02
25. Posted by John S | May 5, 2011 10:04 AM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
At least Mohammed Atta had an operational role in the 9-11 attacks. Osama bin Laden maintained he had nothing to do with 9-11 and the FBI agrees. Look at the famous "wanted poster" and you'll see if Osama is NOT accused of the 9-11 attacks. That's why, even though OBL was captured alive, there will be no trial.
25. Posted by John S | May 5, 2011 10:04 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 10:04
26. Posted by JLawson | May 5, 2011 10:11 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
But I'm also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world.
Yeah, we exist, therefore we humiliate them. We have functioning economies (kind of), people who can decide for themselves what to believe and how to dress - these things humiliate them. We are not sensitive to their feelings of inferiority, and this humiliates them. Instead of getting their shit together and ditching ideology that essentially keeps them stuck in the 11th century, they'd rather blame us for humiliating them.
Screw that!
26. Posted by JLawson | May 5, 2011 10:11 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 10:11
27. Posted by Peter F. | May 5, 2011 10:53 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Wait, there's a problem. The Chris Hedges link isn't taking me to The Onion....
27. Posted by Peter F. | May 5, 2011 10:53 AM |
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Posted on May 5, 2011 10:53
28. Posted by hcddbz | May 5, 2011 1:40 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
I do believe we could introduce this Journalist useful idiot to the 1980s' Classic
from SOD. Song from before the Arab Spring , 9/11 or the formation of AQ. A simpler time before we forced out language on them. A time when all was peaceful which promoted such loving song.
That was the 1980s maybe we need to go back Further to the 1780s to hear the true language of peace. You known before Israel was created by America. A time when America had not exploited the middle east for oil. A time before we consumed the wealth of the world. A time of true innocence. A time before the American Empire. A time when Muslims loved everyone.
Looks like the only Language failure on our part was by not stating loudly and proudly
28. Posted by hcddbz | May 5, 2011 1:40 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on May 5, 2011 13:40