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The Dead Bug Doctrine

I have been trying to figure out how to explain the morality of the killing of Osama bin Laden (pigs be unto him).  There are quite a few people, generally on the Left who try to argue for moral relativity even in Osama's case.  They argue that we should not celebrate murder, that it's unchristian to be happy someone is dead, that we have provoked Islam by killing Osama instead of capturing him, or better still apparently, just sending him a nice candygram for not succeeding in most of his evil plots since 9/11.   A recent example of the sheer lunacy making the rounds, was noted by Dennis Prager today.  He observed a psychologist on the 'Today' Show warning that celebrating the death of terrorists sends the wrong kind of message;  co-host Matt Lauer (pigs be unto him) said the behavior was 'contradictory' to good parenting.  That kind of statement is patently stupid, as I will show.

It so happens that my daughter hates insects.  Oh, she thinks they're cool on TV and so on, but not in her bedroom or the bathroom.   If a bug shows up there, it's time for Dad to go kill bugs. 

Notice, I did not say 'capture'.  I did not say 'get them out of the house'.  Nope, when daughter sees bugs in the house, she is not happy until she sees a bug carcass.  Because that's the only way she can be really sure the bug is not going to come back.  That's the only way she can be sure the threat is over and done with.  Kids understand the need to kill bad things.  And they expect proof they are told that the threat, whatever it is, has been removed.  

Kids already know about terrorists.  Anyone over the age of 11 has seen video from the 9/11 attacks, and quite a few under that age have seen them too.  Kids understand that we live in a world with murderers and madmen.  And kids, contrary to the nuanced delicacy so pervasive among liberals, understand that terrorists remain a threat until they are dead.  Stephen King and John Carpenter movies to the contrary, dead bad guys don't come back.  Bad people sent to prison often do bad things later on, because they get out.  And with so many morons making apologies for terrorists, anyone with a lick of common sense knows that the only realistic solution to terrorism is to make that career choice a fatal consequence.   Children are happy that Osama bin laden is dead, because they know that he, at least, won't harm anyone else ever again.   

 


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Liberals cannot wrap their ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Liberals cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there are some individuals who by their own actions really really DESERVE to die.

Oh, and those folks who lik... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Oh, and those folks who like to speak 'from the high moral ground' - they do so because someone else keeps their ass safe.

I'd say Christians are supp... (Below threshold)
warchild:

I'd say Christians are supposed to be against killing what with the whole "turn the other cheek" thing and what not. Most are hypocritical about though and are quite fine with violence.

As for me, Luckily I think Christianity is a bunch of mystical hocus pocus so I can freely celebrate without be a hypocrite or worrying what the invisible man upstairs thinks.

Luckily the adults are in c... (Below threshold)
419:

Luckily the adults are in charge instead of those paralyzed by the irrational fear of a child.

Speaking of hypocritical mo... (Below threshold)
Harmon:

Speaking of hypocritical moralists...

Hi there war pimp. It's pretty obvious that your grasp of theology is as weak as your grasp on the rest of reality. I could give you a couple of NT verses about how Christians should behave both in and toward government, but pearls before swine you know... Can't teach the willfully ignorant and don't feel the need to try.

Children are happy that ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Children are happy that Osama bin laden is dead, because they know that he, at least, won't harm anyone else ever again.

Precisly, America is resembling 'the land of the munckins', with everyone celebrating and singing that the wicked witch of the East' is dead. Obams's opinion polls are skyrocketing. and there is now no need that bin Laden ever testify about his career in the lap and payroll of the Americans,(with the Mujahideen) the Saudis and apparently now the Pakistanis, is an added bonus.

How about this "message"--<... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

How about this "message"--

Screw with us and we'll send the SEALs after your ass.

Speaking of hypocritical mo... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Speaking of hypocritical moralists...

Hi there war pimp. It's pretty obvious that your grasp of theology is as weak as your grasp on the rest of reality. I could give you a couple of NT verses about how Christians should behave both in and toward government, but pearls before swine you know... Can't teach the willfully ignorant and don't feel the need to try."
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Not real impressed with someone whose claim to fame is he has above average knowledge of the invisible man. However, the text you use to follow the invisible man seems pretty clear:

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42,

oh and I am a pimp.

"Screw with us and we'll se... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Screw with us and we'll send the SEALs after your ass."

Works for me. No equivocation or obfuscation. Simple statement of fact.

This makes sense. Plus it ... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

This makes sense. Plus it shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

Children haven't gone off to some college program and been converted into blithering idiots. Liberals, on the other hand, fall into one of two groups; (1) those who've been indoctrinated into leftism on a college campus and still are too young and too inexperienced to overcome it, or (2) those who already have grown up (chronologically speaking) but still are liberal in their politics, in which case they're suffering from an organic brain malfunction, along the lines of DSM-specified dementia.

In other words, children are a lot smarter and a lot more rational than liberals.

"(pigs be unto him)"... (Below threshold)
PBunyan:

"(pigs be unto him)" --LOL. That has got to be an instant classic.

As far as killing these bugs goes- I'm fine with it, as it seems most people are (now that Obama's President and all), but maybe we shouldn't "just do it"; maybe there should be a law or something. I mean, everybody draws lines in different places, so maybe that line should be better defined?

Just MHO...

"As for me, Luckily I think... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"As for me, Luckily I think Christianity is a bunch of mystical hocus pocus..."

Luckily indeed. Many of your ilk don't come to these decisions through deep contemplation.

Simple starement of fact... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Simple starement of fact,

Yes, they are hard to get. According to the most recent version from the Pentagon, and the final version,("The Obama administration now says it will give no further details of the raid, following the President's decision not to release photos,") what started as a 45 minutes firefight against heavy resistance is now down to one of Obma's courier manged to get off a single shot, with a pistol, and one of bin Laden`s wives, a waif, tried to tackle a Seal, but was unsucessful.

Pentagon or adminstration spin, "plus ca change, plus la meme chose". Officials blame the confusion on the "fog of war". Lets just hope the fog lifted enough,that they were able to send the rightful villian into the ocean, when they had 95% photo identification.

Good news everybody! Comin... (Below threshold)
PBunyan:

Good news everybody! Coming soon, we'll all have to choose between being porn stars or having outercourse with a stranger to get on trains too! Fun fun.

Garsh, who'd've thunk this would've lead to bigger, more intrusive goverment? Imagine that...

"As for me, Luckily I think... (Below threshold)
warchild:

"As for me, Luckily I think Christianity is a bunch of mystical hocus pocus..."

Luckily indeed. Many of your ilk don't come to these decisions through deep contemplation.

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What kind of "deep contemplation" convinced you there was an invisible man living in the sky?

warbaby,"As for me... (Below threshold)
Kool aid Klan:

warbaby,

"As for me, Luckily I think Christianity is a bunch of mystical hocus pocus so I can freely celebrate without be a hypocrite or worrying what the invisible man upstairs thinks."


You can apparently also freely load your diaper without a care as to who changes it, so by all means enjoy stinking the place up..

"...an invisible man living... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"...an invisible man living in the sky?"

A poor metaphor many Christians (myself included) use to speak of what for almost all of us is truly unknowable within the constraints of our sentient life here. Taken literally by the likes of you, a convenient way to trivialize or dismiss religious faith.

I am always blown away by p... (Below threshold)
averagemelon:

I am always blown away by people who do not believe in God acting like they know so much about Christianity as well as people who despise Christian morals are always telling them to be more God-like. Well, which is it?

BELTWAY CONFIDENTIA... (Below threshold)
Ryan:


BELTWAY CONFIDENTIAL
Politics from the Nation's Capital Obama’s Osama bounce is small, limited, and likely temporary
TAGS: approval ratingOsama bin Laden
Comments (0) Share Print By: Conn Carroll 05/05/11 3:31 PM
Senior Editorial Writer Follow Him @conncarroll
.Today’s Gallup and Rasmussen daily tracking numbers are the first complete set of post-Osama numbers. When paired with other major polls they show President Obama received little boost from the Navy SEALs killing of bin Laden. Gallup (sample size 1,558), reports a 6 point post-Osama bounce (46% to 52%). Rasmussen (sample size 1,500), measured no bounce with Obama’s approval raring holding steady at 49%.

Quinnipiac released their first post-Osama poll today (Sample size 1,409), showing a 6 point bounce as well (46% to 52%). This is very close to CNN‘s 4 point, 48% to 52% bounce. All of these polls showed that further the question gets away from terror/Afghanistan, the weaker the Obama bounce is.

For example, the Quinnipiac poll shows Obama’s approval rating on Afghanistan jumped 18 points, on foreign policy up 8 points, on Libya up 4 points, and on the economy up 1 point. There simply is no “game changing” surge in faith in Obama’s competence on other issues.

And what bump there is probably will not last. According to Gallup, President Bush received a 7 point bump when Saddam Hussein was captured, but that gain evaporated in less than a month. Worse for Obama, according to Quinnipiac, his re-elect among independents actually went down:

Independent voters go from a negative 41 – 52 percent overall approval as of Sunday to a positive 47 – 41 percent today. But only 36 percent of independent voters say today he deserves reelection, compared to 41 percent Sunday.

The Washington Post and New York Times both published poll showing larger Obama bounces, but those polls had tiny sample size that were less than half what those news organizations usually require.
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Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/05/obama-s-osama-bounce-small-limited-and-likely-temporary#ixzz1LWq0ltMd

419-"Luckil... (Below threshold)
914:

419-


"Luckily the adults are in charge instead of those paralyzed by the irrational fear of a child."


Have some more cool aid and the unicorns will sing you to sleep..

"what started as a 45 minut... (Below threshold)
914:

"what started as a 45 minutes firefight against heavy resistance is now down to one of Obma's courier manged to get off a single shot, with a pistol, and one of bin Laden`s wives, a waif, tried to tackle a Seal, but was unsucessful."


Yes, Barry's tall tale will stretch and grow as the election draws near. By then, he will be taking credit for ending the cold war and liberating the middle east.

Let me put it this way. I,... (Below threshold)
James H:

Let me put it this way. I, for one, am not entirely comfortable with what amounts to a targeted assassination.

But on the flip side:

1) I am rather satisfied that Osama is now dead.
2) I am glad our SEALs retrieved useful intelligence.
3) War should always make people a little uncomfortable.
4) On balance, I'm OK with this. Like changing my cat's litterbox, it needed to be done.

Yes, they are h... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Yes, they are hard to get. According to the most recent version from the Pentagon, and the final version,("The Obama administration now says it will give no further details of the raid, following the President's decision not to release photos,") what started as a 45 minutes firefight against heavy resistance is now down to one of Obma's courier manged to get off a single shot, with a pistol, and one of bin Laden`s wives, a waif, tried to tackle a Seal, but was unsucessful.

Shorter Crickmore: "You know how Negroes lie."

Crickmore wrote:<bloc... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Crickmore wrote:

According to the most recent version from the Pentagon, and the final version,("The Obama administration now says it will give no further details of the raid, following the President's decision not to release photos,") what started as a 45 minutes firefight against heavy resistance is now down to one of Obma's courier manged to get off a single shot, with a pistol, and one of bin Laden`s wives, a waif, tried to tackle a Seal, but was unsucessful.

Next time, let's send a bunch of English teachers into the firefight with red pens to mark down the incomprehensible sentence structure and misspellings of drunken bloggers.

Steve-"Precisly, A... (Below threshold)
914:

Steve-

"Precisly, America is resembling 'the land of the munckins', with everyone celebrating and singing that the wicked witch of the East' is dead. Obams's opinion polls are skyrocketing. and there is now no need that bin Laden ever testify about his career in the lap and payroll of the Americans,(with the Mujahideen) the Saudis and apparently now the Pakistanis, is an added bonus."


So? Do you like your kool aid straight or over the rocks?

"over the rocks?" I meant ... (Below threshold)
914:

"over the rocks?" I meant on the rocks.. Sheese, think I'm catching Steve's munckin-itis.

914, I'm entitled to at lea... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

914, I'm entitled to at least a quarter of the hyperbole of Obama or Pelosi statement. Sorry about the typing on my notebook in the semi- darkness with a cursor moving all over the screen, and dealing with consatnt interruptions.

Even though Obama and the Pentagon got so many things wrong from their first version to the last amended version, let us hope that one important detail is unchanged, they did indeed, get bin Laden? Here is the best blow by blow account of what happened, up to now.

I wasn't criticizing you fo... (Below threshold)
914:

I wasn't criticizing you for spelling. I screw up that all the time. Sometimes on purpose. I thought what you put down was funny, thats all.

for a moment I thought I re... (Below threshold)
G..:

for a moment I thought I read munchkin tits]

914, my spelling is bad as ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

914, my spelling is bad as well, but if i had a spell checker installed, that would help.

I still think we should have tried to capture bin Laden alive, and or failing that kept his body around to properly examine it anyway before burying it. Robert Fisk makes a few pithy observations that are worth considering or rejecting I suppose, if you are a conservative.

the West, which has constantly preached to the Arab world that legality and non-violence was the way forward in the Middle East, has taught a different lesson to the people of the region: that executing your opponents is perfectly acceptable.....

Despite the American desire to prevent the creation of a shrine – which led to Bin Laden's secret burial in the Arabian Sea – Bin Laden, as a Salafist and a Saudi, would have wished to have an unmarked grave. He and his supporters believe grave markers are idolatrous; hence the Saudi desire to bury their dead unmarked and to destroy ancient shrines rather than to create them.

But in the end, his unarmed death has turned him into a greater martyr than if he had been killed in the "firefight" that Obama originally claimed.


They would make a martyr ou... (Below threshold)
914:

They would make a martyr out of Bin Laden however it turned out. They feed on that kind of stuff like the cartoons to motivate to riot status I suppose to feel empowered at some imagined change they are effecting?

Don't know if Bin Laden was behind 911 or not? Although he claimed it maybe as an oppurtunist, so Doesn't really matter at this point I suppose.

There is always more to things then they appear at first look however. The politics of this world are so mired and entangled in all things it is hard to know truth from fiction.

"Have some more cool aid an... (Below threshold)
Kool aid Klan:

"Have some more cool aid and the unicorns will sing you to sleep.."


Let me rephrase... Have some more pepsi-lab and may the horny horses lull you to utopia.

So? Do you like your koo... (Below threshold)
warchild:

So? Do you like your kool aid straight or over the rocks?

Do you ever wake up and think, "Hmm, I spend all my time on a conservative blog. I tend to agree with everything said there. I watch a lot of Fox news; I agree with all the commentators except Alan Colmes. Not only will I never vote Democrat, I view them as the bad guys... hmm, I never seem to disagree with the conservative writers here, perhaps I'm a kool aid drinker too?" Do you ever manage that much self-awareness? Enough awareness to question yourself just a little?

Conservatives understand id... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Conservatives understand ideology and the fact that there are different takes on it. It is the liberals (see WI, Ohio) that cannot accept ideology when they lose.

Faith is like a two edged sword.

When Jesus expelled the satanic spirits from the boy, they went into a herd of pigs and Jesus had the pigs run over the clift, into the water to drown. I guess warchild would think Jesus wasn't very Christian.

Evil, is evil. There is no doubt that Osama was evil.

Also, the majority of celebrators were kids or young adults. I think DJ's example holds true. The your folks were happey the "bug" was killed. ww

I still think we should ... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

I still think we should have tried to capture bin Laden alive, and or failing that kept his body around to properly examine it anyway before burying it.

Your (and Fisk's) comic-book morality has little to do with the real world, Steve.

First, do you know what the term "Monday morning quarterback" means? Everybody is Sun Tzu after the battle is over. You didn't plan this mission, you didn't know what the intelligence said, what the operational difficulties were, or, quite frankly, anything at all about how things went down. You can preach from the safety and comfort of your chair what they "should have" done. And your opinion is worth exactly NOTHING.

Second, exactly how much need was there to "examine" the body? This is 2011... we know what killed Bin Laden (lead poisoning), we have DNA samples so we can make a positive ID, and there isn't really anything to be learned from his stinking corpse. In my opinion, they did the right thing by dumping the body at sea.

And regardless of what happened, Osama was going to end up a martyr. If we had captured him, then what? We can't even get KSM tried right now. Where would we have held him? What interrogation techniques would have been used on him? Would we have had a military trial for Osama or a civilian one? If so, where? Would other countries get to sit in? He committed crimes against many nations, not just the US. What would have been the security issues if we tried him? If (and note that word, Steve: IF) he was found guilty, would we execute him? If so, wouldn't THAT make him a martyr? Where would we have buried him then? Wouldn't putting Osama on trial and executing him inflame the Muslim world?

You and that idiot Fisk provide no real answers.

Because you have none.

The simplest solution was the best one, and the one Obama wisely chose: kill him. Dump his corpse in the water and let him become shark poop. The Muslims will cry and screech and claim that he's a martyr... let them. Rather than providing a good decade's worth of rage for the extremists to chew on as a trial gets underway, he will become yesterday's news as they move on to the next manufactured outrage. They always have some reason to justify their brutal deeds... cartoons, Israel, books, Israel, American foreign policy, Israel, Koran burnings, Israel, movies, Israel, someone saying something bad about Islam, Israel, our capturing terrorists, Israel, our killing terrorists, Israel...

the West, which has constantly preached to the Arab world that legality and non-violence was the way forward in the Middle East, has taught a different lesson to the people of the region: that executing your opponents is perfectly acceptable.....

Y'know, Steve, among conservatives in the blogosphere Fisk's name is a verb... "To Fisk." He has such a reputation for complete cluelessness and sheer black-hole-level stupid that people have named the line-by-line tearing apart of a comment after him. And this is a perfect example why. Look at what he's arguing... that we've taught them a lesson that executing their opponents is perfectly acceptable.

(caps lock on)

THEY
ALREADY
BELIEVE
THAT.

(caps lock off)

They always have. They've never believed our line about "legality and non-violence." There has never been a time (never!) when the people of that region didn't believe that executing opponents was acceptable. It's standard operating procedure in the Muslim world. We didn't teach it to them. The fact that he believes that (and that you agree with the assclown enough to quote him) just shows how far removed you both are from the real world.

914-"Have some mor... (Below threshold)
419:

914-

"Have some more cool aid and the unicorns will sing you to sleep.."

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes, we should have killed ... (Below threshold)
A_Nonny_Mouse:

Yes, we should have killed him. He planned an attack against OUR civilians, within our borders, then bragged about how unexpectedly successful his plan was.

But.

No, we should not have announced we did it. Actions like this are referred to as "covert operations" for a reason.




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