So dumb he outfoxed a polished street huckster.

Hahahahahahahahaa

Might I add, 'Mission Accomplished!'

The real irony is that the irony will be lost on liberals.

LMAO! That'll leave a mark! :)

Bush's vindication of what policies? His downplaying the importance of finding bin Laden in fact, disbanding the CIA team that was specifically charged with tracking Osama bin Laden? I don't suppose you meant those ones.

Obama´s emphasis on responding militarily to actionable evidence in Pakistan, without their knowledge, that infuriated McCain during the campaign so much, and making the search for bin Laden the CIA´s number one priority, when he took office were key factors in the eliminating of bin Laden.

And as to Obama`s 'infamous thin skin', we have Bush who was invited to Ground Zero , yesterday refusing to go because of his bruised feelings.

More Kool Aid Stevie?

Garandfan, maybe you will enjoy this short video. It takes a swipe at all the key actors, particularly bin Laden.

Methinks stevie protesteth too much. Feeling a little desperate to prove that you are always on top of the correct information there stevie. You really are blind to what an ass you make of yourself by continually spewing your nonsense on a site where you've really worn out what welcome there might once have been.

You'll have to pardon Stevie. Being an echo chamber for the DNC/Daily Kos/DU/HuffPo has it's down side. If ignorance is bliss, Stevie is in heaven.

Have a read Stevie, you'll recognize some of your friends in the comments section.

Charles appears to have left a mark on them as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/evil-does-not-die-of-natural-causes/2011/05/05/AFhTKG2F_story.html

Heh...

No doubt he will not blame this on W.

Gateway's link is off. I am a regular there and it is not there anymore. Any one with any ideas?

Bush, for all his faults, was and IS an honorable man.

Obama? Never.

ok Gateway Pundit is back!

Quite a few Republicans this week have tried to claim that the death of Osama bin Laden is due to the efforts of George W. Bush, not Barack Obama. The same Bush who spent eight years chasing wild geese from one end of Iraq to another? Bush chased bin Laden with angry words and empty threats; Obama chased him with Navy SEALs.

Barack Obama, the guy Republicans claim is an illegal Kenyan, a secret Muslim, an unelected president, a conspirator to bring a Shariah dictatorship to America, the guy who wants to take away all our rights and guns and make big government control our lives -- he's the guy who took down America's greatest enemy. He got the job done when your hero Bush could not or would not.

Richard Wilkinson

Amory, Miss.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/may/07/letter2/

I wonder whether Bush wanted to get Bin Laden. No Bin Laden, no boogie man to scare Americans into giving up their freedoms and giving him power. After all, Tom Ridge said he was pressured into raising the terrorist threat levels for the 2004 election.

Hey CHico....I don't think someone who likes Barak Obama has ANY right to crttiticize ANY other president about giving up freedoms...

He of the INdividual Mandate, "We need to spread the WQealth Around", "I Know it won't raise more revenue but we should raise those taxes for 'fairness', no drilling et al...who has ALSO continued those very programs you are complaining about, or in cases where they weren't immediately continued been lobbying for their continuance.

MichaelC, GarandFan, if it will make you feel better yes Obama has been hypcorite...aren´t they all? He is contiunuing many of the same Bush policies, even strethening some of the Executive powers and many of the same players are in the same positions or similar ones, so I will grant you the right has reason to be churlish, that he has become a wolf in sheeps´s clothing.

Chica and Steve,

obama spent a whole lot of his time trying o convince America that getting bin Laden was not necessary.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5520116.ece

What makes the vindication sign funny is that it is exactly right. obama didn't want to get bin Laden and spent a lot of effort trying to lower expectations. Now that bin Laden is dead Barry wants to claim how it was all him and nothing from the Bush admin contributed.

Watch them squirm about whether water boarding gave them the first critical lead. The are stuck with the hypocrisy of desiring the outcomes while disavowing the work that produced them. They are still investigating the CIA agents that produced the intel that lead them to bin Laden. The reality is that obama won't share credit and he will gladly put the people who made it possible in jail just to shut them up.

"They are still investigating the CIA agents that produced the intel that lead them to bin Laden. The reality is that obama won't share credit and he will gladly put the people who made it possible in jail just to shut them up."

Exactly. Obama doesn't want to admit that enhanced interrogation worked while acting as if he did this singlehandedly while continuing to pursue those who used the interrogations that contributed to this success.

It could be described as the opposite of the axiom "repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth"; in this case it's "ignore a truth long enough and it doesn't exist".

Right on, Chico.

It's really not that complicated.

After 9/11 Bush puffed up his chest, put on his best faux cowboy bravado and started sputtering about how it's just like the old west: "Wanted: Dead or Alive" "Bring 'em on" and other cartoon nonsense. Apparently he blinked when he had an opportunity at Tora Bora and less than 2 years later was publicly saying that Bin Laden was just one man and that he wasn't that concerned about him anymore. (That's on tape, by the way.) After that he diverted resources from Afghanistan to Iraq, the real goal from the start, and dismantled the CIA's Bin Laden unit. (This stuff is really out there, I'm not making it up, really." Mission (definitely not) Accomplished.

Obama pledged to renew the mission to bring OBL to justice, refocused, made it a priority, got the intel that was not produced using torture, decided what was actionable and did what Sherrif Dubya was unable to do: take out the world's numero uno mal hombre and chief boogeyman, finally avenging the atrocities of 9/11, something the invasion of Iraq didn't quite do.

I understand how difficult this is to process and accept for brains that view the current president as someone a couple of levels below the antichrist, but face it: he succeeded where Bush did not. Pretty simple. How about some pats on the back all around and let's move on to the other challenges we face. I think most Americans feel this is a good thing and are comfortable in celebrating it without the need to include slacker George, which seems to have been the reflexive move for those whose driving motivation is to assure that President Obama gets credit for nothing, no matter what the circumstances.

The vaguely Reaganesque gentleman in the picture above turns out to be, after all, all hat and no cattle.

Your link, Jim M, doesn't say what you are saying it says.

Furthermore, I haven't heard Obama or anyone from his administration claim "it was all him" - and neither have you.

I've heard a couple of leftwing pundits and some blog commenters make claims like that, but not the President or anyone speaking for the administration.

for all his faults, I miss George W. Bush...a lot.

He was and is a gracious man, who sincerely loves America. Obama is EXACTLY the reverse...on both counts.

Kind of funny that the guy in office who is arrogantly claiming credit for the outright killing of Bin Laden was the first to criticize the Bush admin for waterboarding. In other words, kill but don't waterboard. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

Kind of funny that the guy in office who is arrogantly claiming credit for the outright killing of Bin Laden was the first to criticize the Bush admin for waterboarding. In other words, kill but don't waterboard. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

Not hypocritcal at all, if you consider that Bush's policies resulted in torturing innocent people to death, through not just waterboarding but sleep deprivation, beating, and hypothermia.

Bush destroyed the reputation of the USA for human rights and humane treatment of prisoners, putting us on par with some dictatorship like China or Iran through the use of the same torture practices.

In contrast, OBL declared war on the US, was a threat and was reported to have a suicide vest on him 24/7. The SEALs made the call to kill him based on the possible threat and his attempt to run away, possibly to weapons or an explosive device.

The are stuck with the hypocrisy of desiring the outcomes while disavowing the work that produced them.
18. Posted by jim m

That statement describes the liberal condition completely. Well said.

The use of torture implies that one gets results (pain equals success) yet no one can explain why Bush was unable to do what Obama just did for the seven years he had to accomplish such a feat.

If bush had such great intelligence from his policy of torture then he should have caught Osama during his presidency.

Chico and Steve, ya know, sooner or later your have to let the spin cycle end and just hang out your laundry to dry in the sun.

"Bush destroyed the reputation of the USA for human rights and humane treatment of prisoners, putting us on par with some dictatorship like China or Iran through the use of the same torture practices."

Yes, you believe this as well as liberals in general both at home and abroad. It is not a universal feeling however.

It was the information gotten from the waterboarding that resulted in the capture and death of Bin Laden. So it took longer than expected. Don't ever kid yourself that Obama did anything other than allow the Seals to continue with Bush policy. Obama did not get Osama.......clear and simple. Facts are facts regardless of how libs try and twist them.

Looks like Bruce finished most of the kool aid before capain' spawning got to it?

Don't worry cap'n, you can get free refills anytime in Barry's unicorn-topia!

Captain Spaulding:

Obama pledged to renew the mission to bring OBL to justice, refocused, made it a priority, got the intel that was not produced using torture, decided what was actionable and did what Sherrif Dubya was unable to do: take out the world's numero uno mal hombre and chief boogeyman, finally avenging the atrocities of 9/11, something the invasion of Iraq didn't quite do.

You're really confused about what happened. It was enhanced interrogation which led to the identity of Abu Ahmad as a bin Laden courier in 2007, well before Obama "refocused" on anything. It was a single phone call (as far as I know, the date of the call has not been revealed) from Abu Ahmad which led to the focus on the Abbottabad compound. The rest is history.

IOW, Bush's policies, and techniques criticized by Obama and the left, led to the info which started the ball rolling on this one.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html?hpt=T1

Nothing like leftard hypocrites with egg all over their faces suddenly becoming 'Gung ho' on terrorist take out operations when they spent 7 years trying to protect their rights under Booshh!!

The falling over themselves to see who can drool the most is truly disgusting!

Re # 30:

I believe this Captain Spaulding person is a "blog commenter," not an "administration spokesman." So no KoolAid was necessary, dumbass.

But please, do find me a quote from the President or an administration spokesperson claiming that "it was all him and nothing from the Bush administration contributed," as jim asserts without evidence.

And re # 31:

Where in your link is the evidence that "enhanced interrogation techniques" identified the courier?

Where in your link is the evidence that "enhanced interrogation techniques" identified the courier?

Nowhere. But it's established here:

1) Info came from Gitmo detainees:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110503/wl_time/httpnewsfeedtimecom20110503abuahmadthecourierwholedamericatoosamabinladenxidrssfullworldyahoo

2) Rep. King (who has a basis to know by way of his service on Homeland Security and Intelligence Congressional Committees) says that waterboarding was used to get the initial information (3:00 on the clip):

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/rep-peter-king-initial-information-on.html

3) Specifically, enhanced interrogation on al Qahtani disclosed the courier:

http://defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11792606&Itemid=361

4) WikiLeaks also confirms that enhanced interrogation led to the courier:

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/03/wikileaks-bombshell-intel-leading-to-bin-laden-came-from-al-qaeda-terrorist-captured-in-iraq/

And Obama forgot his most common phrase:
"Bush did it!"

Your first cite states the info came from Gitmo detainees, but not that they were subjected to "EITs".

The second cite means that either Rumsfeld is lying, or Peter King is. Since King is a disgusting bigot and Rumsfeld is just garden-variety evil, I'll take Rumsfeld's word, not King's.

The third relies on Isikoff's "unnamed source."

The fourth asserts that the info was obtained by using EITs based on what it says the file "suggests."

Bruce Henry:

Since King is a disgusting bigot and Rumsfeld is just garden-variety evil, I'll take Rumsfeld's word, not King's.

Good for you. The problem, of course, is that while Rumsfeld said that no one was waterboarded at Gitmo, he has clarified that the detainees were waterboarded elsewhere and then brought to Gitmo, where they spilled their guts.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/rumsfeld-waterboarding-played-major-role-al-qaeda-intel

Rumsfeld:

I'm told there was some confusion today on some programs, even one on Fox, I think, suggesting that I indicated that no one was who was waterboarded at Guantanamo, provided any information on this. That's just not true. What I said was, no one was waterboarded at Guantanamo by the U.S. military. In fact, no one was waterboarded at Guantanamo, period. Three people were waterboarded by the CIA, away from Guantanamo and then later brought to Guantanamo. And in fact, as you point out, the information that came from those individuals was critically important [to learning the identity of the courier].

Anybody else whose word you're willing to take? How about Leon Panetta?

Asked by NBC-TV’s Brian Williams about the information obtained from detainees that led to the bin Laden takedown, Panetta replied: ‘We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. … Clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees.” When Williams asked whether "waterboarding" was one of those techniques, Panetta replied: “That’s correct.”

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43332

Rumsfeld aside, then, let's take Panetta's statement. He is saying that EITs were used against some detainees at Guantanamo, and that the info was obtained from detainees at Guantanamo. He does NOT say that waterboarding or otherwise torturing a specific detainee was used to get this specific information.

Let's say that you are my detainee, and I waterboard you to get what information I can get. Not satisfied that I am getting correct information, and under pressure from liberals to stop the practice, I stop doing it, but still keep you in custody. Months or years later, using "standard" interrogation techniques, I obtain the info I was seeking all along. Does that prove that "waterboarding works?" Of course not.

Hateful conservatives are still seeking to justify the ineffective, immoral, sadistic, and racist [tweet!] practice of waterboarding brown-skinned [tweet tweet!] Muslim detainees ("That's the only language these savages understand!") as a way to avoid admitting that Obama is smarter than Bush [tweet tweet tweet!]. It's hilarious, or would be if it wasn't so disgusting.

[Triple Graves' law violation. Mr Henry has forfeited his points and is enjoined from continuing in this thread]

And dunderheaded, fuzzy-thinking liberals can’t see the obvious fact that the “defining moment” of Obama’s presidency came about only as the result of a direct line of information which originated when Bush was president and as a direct result of his policies. Instead, the liberals twist around in the wind and always end up charging hate and racism, because that’s all they can do.

These leftist traitors are so far in the tank for Comrade Obama they've learned to breathe raw sewage - and convert it into digital output.

Bruce Henry.

I will ask you the same question I asked Chico (and have yet to get a response). You are against waterboarding. As such then

Obama is guilty of warcrimes is he not?

He ordered the invasion of an ally country, without UN sanction, without congressional sanction, with an executive order which states to assasinate OBL, and without a coalition.

Since you are against waterboarding are you against Obama's actions and should he be thrown in jail for violating international law?

retired military,

Bruce Henry is on "quiet time" for this thread and has forfeited his point after a triple Graves' law violation above.

Rodney

LOL. Okay thanks for letting me know.

It was enhanced interrogation which led to the identity of Abu Ahmad as a bin Laden courier in 2007

Doesn't seem that way. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, waterboarded, denied the courier had anything to do with al-Qaida. Hassan Ghul gave all the info about the courier. Ghul was NOT waterboarded. al-Libi made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti.

So the two guys who were waterboarded gave false information, and the guy who wasn't gave actionable information.

Ghul was not water boarded, or subject to near-drowning, the most notorious interrogation technique and one that critics describe as torture.

Two other CIA prisoners — al-Qaida's operations chief Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and his successor, Abu Faraj al-Libbi — gave their interrogators false information about the courier after they were water boarded repeatedly, U.S. officials said.

www.canada.com/news/Officials+deny+suspect+Laden+courier+tortured+black+site/4731185/story.html

Now back to KSM:

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation

as a way to avoid admitting that Obama is smarter than Bush [tweet tweet tweet!]

Claiming conservatives avoid admitting Obama is smarter than Bush is racist? Methinks someone with a penalty whistle is a little full of himself.

Osama bin Laden is dead. George W. Bush failed to kill him but Barack Obama did not.

Fake cowboy fails, Harvard lawyer succeeds. Not in the least bit surprising to me, but then I'm not a fucking moron.

Hyper

"but then I'm not a fucking moron"

Well that is news to all the long time readers on this board.

John,

Once someone breaks, they tend to remain broken, especially if they are under the impression that the means by which they were broken may be re-applied. It's a natural human tendency which counter-interrogation training seeks to counter.

Then again, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd already know that.

As regards the foul whistle, that was the third and least egregious bite from the apple in that rant. As such your protest is noted and appropriately round filed.

"Not in the least bit surprising to me, but then I'm not a fucking moron."

Hahahahahahaha No, your just a regular moron that can't get laid.

Clever of you to take an emphatic use of a cuss word in its literal sense, moron. I reiterate, the fake cowboy failed to kill Osama bin Laden but the Harvard lawyer succeeded. And I also reiterate that it isn't surprising in the least, because fake cowboys are worthless frauds who are lauded only by morons.

You know a thread is over when when a bumbling Canadian fumbles through a paragraph claiming to know about cowboys.

As opposed to when a bumbling blog poster (who names "laws" after himself) fumbles through a paragraph claiming to know about interrogation techniques?

As opposed to when a bumbling blog poster (who names "laws" after himself) fumbles through a paragraph claiming to know about interrogation techniques?

My, my, is it my imagination or is the lefties getting a bit touchy defending their hero Obama.

My, my, is it my imagination or is the lefties getting a bit touchy defending their hero Obama.

It's not your imagination, RM. They've gotten extremely touchy... angry, too. Well, angrier. Their emperor has turned out to have no clothes, and more and more people are realizing it. So any victory (like the killing of bin Laden) must be trumpeted to the high heavens as a way to show that Obama isn't the incompetent dolt he's shown himself to be.

I ripped into Bruce on a recent thread over the left's constant over-use of the "racist" accusation, and here he is on this same thread doing the same damned thing. He literally can't help it... it's nothing more than a conditioned response. Stimulus, response, stimulus, response. And he's not doing anything different than the rest of his side.

Evil Otto,

They are in a real cleft fork here. Were they not such asshats, one might be able to generate a little sympathy for their predicament.

The Intelligence Community, using techniques and programs which the left condemned under Bush, located ObL. Well Done!

The Military, using the SEAL Team that Seymour Hirsch called "Cheney's Hit Team", planned and executed a nearly flawless operation which killed ObL. Well Done!

The 0bama White house then can't come up with a single coherent set of statements concerning what was done. The easiest task of all, and botched so badly that a clear win is devolving into a policy fiasco.

"0bama is AWESOME!"

Yeah, pull the other one, it has bells on it.

Sep14, do real cowboys go to Yale, mismanage major league baseball teams, and--most importantly--fail to bring mass murderers to justice after declaring them wanted "dead or alive"?

He's a fraud.

Common exchange seen on this blog:

Rightie: (something stupid)
Leftie: "That's stupid!"
Rightie: "Oh my, getting touchy? I must have hit a nerve! As my ideological opposition, your opposition to my ideology must prove that I'm correct!"
Leftie: (shakes head and rolls eyes)

Repeat.

Heh, don't get around the internet much do you, john? You really think your side doesn't do that all the time?

Leftie: (something stupid)
Rightie: "That's stupid!"
Leftie: "Oh my, getting touchy? I must have hit a nerve! As my ideological opposition, your opposition to my ideology must prove that I'm correct!"
Rightie: (shakes head and rolls eyes)

Hyper: "Real cowboys graduate from Yale and the Harvard Business School, increase the value of major league baseball teams, and - most importantly- understand changing conditions and priorities and focus on the country's needs far ahead of serving their own ego."

Fixed it for you. You're welcome.