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"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems"

That from the sons of Osama bin Laden in a letter to the New York Times:

Omar-Bin-Laden.jpgOsama bin Laden's adult sons have attacked the legitimacy of the US assault that killed their father, calling for a UN inquiry to determine why he was not arrested and prosecuted.

In a joint letter the family said it wanted to know "why an unarmed man was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that truth is revealed to the people of the world".

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," they said.

The letter was sent to the New York Times under the name of Omar bin Laden, the 30-year-old fourth son of Bin Laden who lived with the al-Qaida leader in Sudan and Afghanistan but has publicly denounced his attacks on civilians.

Drawing comparisons with Saddam Hussein and the former Serb leader Slobodan Milosevic, the statement said "international law has been blatantly violated" and, in a reference to the shooting of other people in the compound, said President Obama had ordered "the execution of unarmed men and women".

Obama could not be reached for comment as he was busy using Osama bin Laden's name on the campaign trail:

Osama bin Laden, mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, is now an applause line in a presidential campaign speech.

Bin Laden's name came up a couple of times in Obama's address Tuesday evening at a fund-raising event in Austin, Texas.

Early in Obama's appearance, someone shouted out, "Thank you for getting Bin Laden!''

Obama said that was a "case in point'' - a reason for voters to let him "finish what we started.''

Later, Obama ticked off what he described as his administration's accomplishments: lifting the ban on gays in the military; bringing troops home from Iraq.

And then: "And because of the extraordinary bravery of the men and women who wear this nation's uniform and the outstanding work of our intelligence agencies,'' Obama said, "Osama bin Laden will never again threaten the United States.''

The crowd roared.

And certain members of the press roared as well for their chosen one:

This afternoon, while waiting for President Obama to make his call for comprehensive immigration reform in El Paso, Texas, Martin Bashir of MSNBC, shocked and offended conservatives when he asked Tea Party illegal immigration hero, Tom Tancredo, " Would you have preferred, then, the death of the president as opposed to Bin Laden?"

RealClearPolitics has the video of the Bashir idiocy, idiocy that suggests a certain desperation on the part of those who continue to prop up the empty suit that is Barack Hussein Obama.


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Tancredo got out of the Vie... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Tancredo got out of the Vietnam War draft because of a diagnosis of mental illness.

Some people say he faked it, but I don't think so - the guy is seriously crazy. Must be a crazy district to have given him five terms in Congress, too.

So given his erratic behavior and the crazy shit he has said in the past, it was a fair question to ask. He might have said yes, which would have been big news.

Also,

"And because of the extraordinary bravery of the men and women who wear this nation's uniform and the outstanding work of our intelligence agencies,'' Obama said, "Osama bin Laden will never again threaten the United States.''

The crowd roared.

I know crowds cheering for Obama causes bitter bile to rise in your gullets, but what's wrong with Obama giving credit to the CIA and military?

Again, Bin Laden is dead, quit yer' bitchin'

"Martin Bashir of MSNBC,... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Martin Bashir of MSNBC, shocked and offended conservatives when he asked Tea Party illegal immigration hero, Tom Tancredo, " Would you have preferred, then, the death of the president as opposed to Bin Laden?""

Oh no he di'int!

Wow. Just wow.

Shocked and offended conservatives? If others weren't "shocked and offended" they need their heads examined.

Chico" but what's ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Chico

" but what's wrong with Obama giving credit to the CIA and military?

"

Oh you mean like the CIA interrogators who Holderer is trying to throw in jail right?

Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth.

"Arbitrary killing is not a... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems"

Someone should drag his sorry ass to ground zero and tell him to say it a bit louder.

Hey, if we just think of it... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Hey, if we just think of it like one of Obama's beloved post-birth abortions, it's not all that bad. I'm sure both parties can live with that kind of thinking.

"Arbitrary killing is not a... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," they said."

Osama's son being raised in a culture where the line between religion and politics is quite hazy I find this statement quite laughable. Their father got what he deserved and that did not include a trial where he could grandstand the legitimacy of being tried under Western laws. If the son was concerned about his father getting a fair trial he would have advised him to turn himself in.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle</p... (Below threshold)

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle

"Obama said that was a "cas... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"Obama said that was a "case in point'' - a reason for voters to let him "finish what we started.'"

Chico,
Bile doesn't rise in my gullet, but I do admit I get a bit worried at enthusiastic receptions to statements like this. I don't want Obama to feel that assassinating Osama will be received as well as his attempted assassination of our economy. I am also hoping that now that the Democrats see how beneficial the military can be they will count their votes in 2012 - for better or for worse for the Republicans.

"Arbitrary killing is no... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems."

Of course not. It has to be very specific, as it indeed was.

Jeff Blogworthy got it 100%... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Jeff Blogworthy got it 100% right: "Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems."
Correct. Targeted, specific killing solves problems of all kinds, including political ones.

I am firmly behind my count... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I am firmly behind my country with the wiping out of Bin Laden. But had the roles been reversed and GW Bush ordered the hit, the left would be sympathyzing with the Bin Laden family to a point of having this son go on all the MSM chat shows. The left's hypocrisy has no bounds. ww

"Arbitrary kill... (Below threshold)
"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," they said.
When I read that, I heard the telltale sproing that told me my irony meter had just destroyed itself.

Fortunately I have learned to buy them by the case, so I ventured into the garage where I keep my supply of fresh ones.

They had all destroyed themselves too.

So I called my supplier.

Apparently now they're destroying themselves as soon as they're manufactured, and they think it's because of this statement from the son of Osama bin Laden.

""Arbitrary killing is n... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

""Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," they said."

No, but it can be a pretty practical solution to certain real-world problems. And it wasn't arbitrary, either.

One thing which seems to be a holdover from the 'good old days' of the Laws of War (and war between nation-states) is that you don't strike directly at the leadership pushing for a war, you erode the war-fighting capability through either killing the enemy's soldiers or you destroy their ability to make the munitions and materiel they need to continue making war. You make it to expensive for them, they say 'Screw this', and sue for peace.

Of course, when you're going up against a militant theology they're not going to do that. They see losing as simply a result of their not being fanatical enough...

But now - we can (if we can find them) drop a Hellfire in the lap of pretty much any two-bit asshat with delusions of world conquest, whether for his own reasons (like getting all the hottest babes in Scandinavia for his personal harem) or for his theology. This is both much cheaper (in lives and material costs) than going all total war on their skanky butts and much faster than a "We'll do a Cold War scenario and bottle them up until the asshat dies of old age."

Yet such a thing is seen as totally rude and completely uncultured. The folks who don't like war (and let's face it, that's pretty much everyone, including those in the military (who might not like it, but just not liking something doesn't mean it goes away on its own - someone's got to do the job....)) find such targeting practices... unethical.

Go figure.

Wow, Osama Bin Laden is dea... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Wow, Osama Bin Laden is dead? And on Barack Obama's watch? YIKES!! Obama has barely mentioned it...in the last 2 minutes (oops...he just did, again, while I was typing).

A (very) good thing (Bin Laden tits up) occurs and Obama can't shut up about it. OK, it was a very good thing.

Meanwhile:
- the unemployment rate went UP to 9% (though the media called THAT a "good thing")
- the GDP went down to recession levels (again), though the media just skipped that story
- Obama's pals in the Senate want to allow him to bypass the Constitution on appointment
- etc....

Good job on Bin Laden, Barry. but YOU'RE FIRED for being an incompetent ass!!

chicka @ 1,In ligh... (Below threshold)
Rodney Graves:

chicka @ 1,

In light of your penchant for demanding to know that the qualifications of others are to speak on any given subject here on Wizbang, what qualifies you to have an opinion in this matter?

Yeah, Barry has soooooooooo... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Yeah, Barry has soooooooooooooo many accomplishments he can take out and show people.

So now he's in El Paso pandering once again to a specific group.

Even AP got Barry's priorities right this morning. "IN A SEARCH FOR VOTES and to kick-start immigration reform...."

Best campaigner evah!... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

Best campaigner evah!

What was so arbitrary about... (Below threshold)
mpw280:

What was so arbitrary about it? It was a well thought out, planned and executed mission, there was nothing arbitrary, unlike bin dead's operations where the victims were arbitrary. mpw

If I recall correctly, in s... (Below threshold)
Matt:

If I recall correctly, in several past video tapes and recordings, the late bin Laden declared war on the United States and the western world. That alone takes his death out of the arbitrary killing zone.

I do believe OBL was killed for revenge and for political exepiedency. Obama needed improved ratings and did not want the circus of capturing and holding OBL in GITMO. Other than a vague and general rallying point, OBL didn't appear to have any operational effect on Iraq or Afghanistan. Think of it as OBL got thrown under the bus, almost literally this time.

Using the fact that you authorized the killing someone thousands of miles away as a campaign item is beyond being tacky and in poor taste.

Nice to see the right wing ... (Below threshold)
RichardW:

Nice to see the right wing carrying the water for al Qaeda. Did you guy sign up for their press releases and pr messages?

Ask the 9/11 victims about arbitrary killings for political purposes...

No wait, they're dead - and you don't care. Better ask their families instead - I'm sure they appreciate you guys taking sides with OBL and his family.

In light of your penchan... (Below threshold)
Chico:

In light of your penchant for demanding to know that the qualifications of others are to speak on any given subject here on Wizbang,

Rodney, Rodney, Rodney -

Have I ever asked you for your "qualifications?" Nooooo. I don't care. When I read your stuff, I just remember the old adage -

"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."

I love my fellow man, burning stalking hate is not for me.

But when something is a matter of public record, like Tancredo's Selective-Service- certified-insanity, and relevant to the discussion, then who isn't qualified to comment?

Hey Barry, we know you and ... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

Hey Barry, we know you and your simp drones don't want to hear this but..

Its the economy stupid!

RichardW:Thanks fo... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

RichardW:

Thanks for showing us your complete lack of character and honesty. Look in the mirror and see the face of evil.

Hey pal, it ain't me holdin... (Below threshold)
RichardW:

Hey pal, it ain't me holding up OBL's son and supporting his position. That's not me...

Dickieboy"No wait, t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Dickieboy
"No wait, they're dead - and you don't care. Better ask their families instead - I'm sure they appreciate you guys taking sides with OBL and his family"

What the hell are you talking about and how did your twisted mind arrive at this conclusion?

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Jay Tea. Dickieboy should be hit with Olaf for not even having a clue after this statement. It shows that he didnt read any of the comments and is just spouting hate.

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Kevino


"Correct. Targeted, specific killing solves problems of all kinds, including political ones."

Very few problems cannot be taken care of with the suitable application of C4. (unfortunately dickieboy's intelligence and reading comprehension may not fall into the above category. As Ron White said "You cant fix stupid"

This from those who advocat... (Below threshold)

This from those who advocate indiscriminate killing as a way to achieve political desires. Call me somewhat skeptical! And yet a majority of Obama Court Nominees will probably side with the "moderate" Osama son.

I don't know, this post by ... (Below threshold)
Chico:

I don't know, this post by "Matt" at #19 comes pretty close to Tears for Osama:

I do believe OBL was killed for revenge and for political exepiedency. Obama needed improved ratings and did not want the circus of capturing and holding OBL in GITMO. Other than a vague and general rallying point, OBL didn't appear to have any operational effect on Iraq or Afghanistan. Think of it as OBL got thrown under the bus, almost literally this time.

Nice that Matt excuses OBL's role in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now for me, "revenge" is a good enough reason all on its own.

"I love my fellow man, burn... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"I love my fellow man, burning stalking hate is not for me."

Yeah, right. You never got back to me in a previous thread regarding my post about VDH's draft number because it did not fit the invective you chose to spew about him.

chico de nya-"I lo... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

chico de nya-

"I love my fellow man, burning stalking hate is not for me."

"Nice that Matt excuses OBL's role in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now for me, "revenge" is a good enough reason all on its own."

Would you like some kool-aid with your cheese?

You never got back to me... (Below threshold)
Chico:

You never got back to me in a previous thread regarding my post about VDH's draft number because it did not fit the invective you chose to spew about him.

Hey, I can't spend all day and night here, I missed it.

But for the record, what VDH's lottery number was is kind of a non-sequitur to me. So what? Someone with his admiration of Spartan military virtue and aggressive war should have enlisted. What are you, his son? Because I've read they haven't enlisted, either.

Ya caught me Sep14. ... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Ya caught me Sep14.

I did have a burning stalking hate of OBL.
So I guess I'm a hypocrite.

"I do believe OBL was ki... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"I do believe OBL was killed for revenge and for political exepiedency."

Dead for revenge? Works for me. (Shrug) He declared war, he did what he could, and he got killed for it.

"Very few problems cannot be taken care of with the suitable application of C4."

It's useful stuff, I understand, after rooming with an ex-EOD guy from 'Nam. You can even cook with it - the stuff burns nicely, better than trioxane. Makes a lousy shoe or furniture polish, though...

Hey, I can't spend all d... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

Hey, I can't spend all day and night here, I missed it.

Since when? You're here constantly. Barely a thread goes by in which we don't hear your ill-informed, cookie-cutter leftist opinions.

Very well Richard:... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Very well Richard:

You obviously disagree with the statement. It is nice to see the left coming here to support arbitrary killing to solve political problems. I would expect nothing less. Such an approach has a rich heritage among leftists. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro...

"But for the record, what V... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"But for the record, what VDH's lottery number was is kind of a non-sequitur to me. So what? Someone with his admiration of Spartan military virtue and aggressive war should have enlisted. What are you, his son? Because I've read they haven't enlisted, either."

Just wanted to confirm your desire to dodge the issue that's all.

"Arbitrary killing is not..... (Below threshold)
d.k. Allen:

"Arbitrary killing is not..."

True. Maybe you should go explain that to your mass murdering daddy. Or rather, you should have, when he was still wasting oxygen.

As his family, yes, you get a little bit of slack. Which you have just used up. Now go away and STFU.

Just wanted to confirm y... (Below threshold)
Chico:

Just wanted to confirm your desire to dodge the issue that's all.

I'm not dodging it at all. We just have different views. VDH could have served, he didn't. Yet he constantly beats the drum for aggressive war.

You think getting lucky in the draft lottery excuses him. I don't.


"Bin Laden is dead, quit ye... (Below threshold)
Tom Blogical:

"Bin Laden is dead, quit yer' bitchin'."

mmmm-kay. Then how about this to you and everyone else *still* bitching about Iraq: "Saddam Hussein is dead, quit yer bitchin."

When did all of these conse... (Below threshold)
RichardW:

When did all of these conservatives become such weak-kneed wussies?

Are you guys donating money to al Qaeda now? Or do you figure that supporting their positions publicly is enough support?

Chico'Hey, I can't... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Chico

'Hey, I can't spend all day and night here, I missed it.'

you miss some questions, you dont have time for others. Poor poor put upon Chico.
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Dickieboy

Are you drunk or something? Oh wait, if you were drunk you might actually say something that made since. This must be your normal stupidity level.


"You think getting lucky in... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"You think getting lucky in the draft lottery excuses him. I don't."

Thank you. Please continue to remember this statement about luck and excuses.

Chico,Sorry, but O... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Chico,

Sorry, but OBL had little if any operational control, direction, or effect the last 6 years or so prior to his death when he went into deep hiding. The terrorists operating under labelled as Al Quaeda were mostly working for themselves for their own political ends and goals. The die hard AQ minions that hung around and tried to take charge in both theaters were rolled up and killed relatively quickly.

I don't see how supporting the general viewpoint that OBLs death was not arbitrary quantifies as support for him, but then I am at least partially sane.

"Are you guys donating mone... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

"Are you guys donating money to al Qaeda now? Or do you figure that supporting their positions publicly is enough support?"

That is definitely Woopish in both style and ignorance.

Congrats! Asshat!

"Arbitrary killing is not a... (Below threshold)
Olsoljer:

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems" Works for me. UBL thought it worked for him or have you conveniently forgotten the WTC?
It's a damn good thing Bashir didn't ask me that question - who presents the more immediate threat?

Wow, RichardW is a little s... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Wow, RichardW is a little slow on the uptake, eh?

Richard, I want you to unplug your computer and put it back in the box it came in, then seal the box and write "return to sender" on the outside. Set it out by your mail box, go back in the house and do not venture outside your front door again.

Oh, and don't forget to breathe.

Typical Oyster. "If you don... (Below threshold)
419:

Typical Oyster. "If you don't agree with me, then shut up."

This site would be marginally better if you would take your own advice.

Would that Barry would show... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

Would that Barry would show such resolve and tough talk on the most important issue facing us INSTEAD OF HIS MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE, AKA, getting reselected.

Hey Barry, Where's the jobs?

419Typical Oyster.... (Below threshold)
retired military:

419

Typical Oyster. "If you don't agree with me, then shut up."

This site would be marginally better if you would take your own advice.

Pretty funny when the person Oyster's comment was directed to said

"Bin Laden is dead, quit yer' bitchin'."

Pot meet Kettle.
Hypocracy thy name is liberal.

ChicoSince you wan... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Chico

Since you want to call people chickenhawks remind us again of what branch Obama served in?

"ChicoSince you wa... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

"Chico

Since you want to call people chickenhawks remind us again of what branch Obama served in?"


Do the 'Black Panthers' count?.

Tancredo got ou... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Tancredo got out of the Vietnam War draft because of a diagnosis of mental illness.

He was a liberal back then? Who knew?

I love my fellow man

Lots of liberals do. Now in some states they can get the state to legally recognize their love, too.

The sheer irony of Obama us... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

The sheer irony of Obama using a targeted assassination as a campaign talking point, with loopy left-wing Democrats roaring their approval, almost is too rich for words.

We've known for a long time that leftism is a mental disorder, but now we've finally learned there's no hope for a cure.

"Again, Bin Laden is dead, ... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

"Again, Bin Laden is dead, quit yer' bitchin'"

So are You going to congratulate Bush for getting Saddam? Bin Laden was behind what, 4,000 deaths? Sodom was behind 100,000's of thousands.

Fess up chico!!

Sep 14"Sodom was beh... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Sep 14
"Sodom was behind 100,000's of thousands"

I think you meant

"Saddam was behind 100s of thousands"

Actually, I would tend to a... (Below threshold)
liberalnitemare:

Actually, I would tend to agree. In fact I am adding "arbitrary killings" to my list of things that won't solve political disagreements.

Right under the entry for "crashing airliners full of civillians into buildings".

"Arbitrary killing is not a... (Below threshold)
Hangtown Bob:

"Arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems"

I totally agree, arbitrary killing solves nothing.

But......... focused killing of Islamic Madmen can solve a lot of political (and other) problems!!!




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