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"Islam has always been an assault on Christianity"

That provocative statement, in response to the Australian bishop demanding that a local Muslim bus ad be pulled for being offensive, comes our way via someone who's actually being, in the theological sense, brutally insightful:

JesusAds.jpgHis Excellency is wrong on several accounts, but right on one big one. Stating that Jesus was a prophet of Islam may be provocative, but it also happens to be what Muslims believe. It's hard to see how telling people what you believe is a bad thing when you are looking for converts. Would the bishop prefer that Muslims keep that belief secret to spring on converts later?

Second, how are Muslims and Christians supposed to "dialogue" without discussing their very different beliefs about Jesus? We believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. We believe that He is true God and true man, God incarnate, eternally begotten and still alive today, Whose sacrifice gives us the hope of salvation. They believe He was just a guy who made some prophecies and died a long, long time ago. It's hard to see how minimizing the truth of these opposite beliefs would help anyone...

...unless, of course, we would all rather pretend that there is no big difference between our religions. Perhaps that's what Bishop Porteous is getting at. In which case it is, indeed, in bad taste for Muslims to advertise that they've got the whole Jesus thing right and that we've got it wrong.

The problem is that Australian Muslims have already jumped off the "let's pretend" train. They're advertising what they do, in fact, believe. And that's where the bishop gets it right: The advertisement is an assault on Christianity. Islam has always been an assault on Christianity.

Now that Australian Muslims have stopped pretending otherwise, it's time for Australian Christians to wake up and do the same.

Some might suggest that it's time for more than just Christians in Australia to wake up.


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Islam pretty much begins an... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Islam pretty much begins and ends with Mohammed. There are precious few corroborations of his prophecies and doctrine. The "religion" sought conquest first, conversion second, and authorized its adherents a degree of mastery and control over the lives of non-adherents unseen in any other major human faith. No other "religion" endorses the conversion by force of arms under threat of immediate execution.

It's not just an "attack on Christianity," it is in fact an attack on every other faith, on every other culture, and on any recognition of human rights.

You're absolutely right, Ji... (Below threshold)

You're absolutely right, Jim.

In fact I would encourage this kind of advertising, because it illustrates the stark differences between what Christians believe about Jesus (the only begotten Son of God, fully God and fully man, part of the Holy Trinity, the instrument of atonement for the sins of mankind, crucified, resurrected, and ascended into Heaven) and what Muslims believe about Jesus (a prophet whose work, like all other prophets, was eventually eclipsed by Muhammed).

There is no "common ground" between what Islam and Christianity teaches about Jesus.

This is how it starts. Fir... (Below threshold)
James H:

This is how it starts. First bus ads, and next thing you know all the women are wearing burkhas.

And an addendum: I am some... (Below threshold)
James H:

And an addendum: I am somewhat bemused that two religious sects quarrel over the theological identity of a Jewish carpenter-philosopher who existed two millennia ago.

Islam has always been an... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Islam has always been an assault on Christianity

One could make the exact same argument that Christianity is an assault on Judaism. Any advertisement that proclaims Jesus as the Messiah is no less insulting to Jews.

There is no "common grou... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

There is no "common ground" between what Islam and Christianity teaches about Jesus.

Chrisitians do not have a monopoly on Jesus. Muslims also believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

Taking a page from the libe... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

Taking a page from the liberal handbook, I, as a Christian, have been scarred after reading the ad on that bus. Will some legal mind here help me seek damages?

Muslims also believe Jes... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Muslims also believe Jesus to be the Messiah

Christians believe Jesus to be God. Muslims believe that he is merely another prophet. If I have to explain the difference to you there's no point in having a discussion.

I see Tina has already had ... (Below threshold)
Sep14:

I see Tina has already had two cups of stupid this morning,. One lump or two Tina?

Of course as far as Judaism... (Below threshold)

Of course as far as Judaism is concerned, it does not matter. The last prophet was Malachi and all prophets who were among the "Men of the Great Assembly" at the time of the building of the second temple had become prophets before the destruction of the first temple (70 years earlier). As a result, anyone who claimed that he became a prophet after that time, was automatically a "false prophet" and subject to the death penalty as laid out in Deuteronymy 13.

There's blood on a lot of d... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

There's blood on a lot of different hands, over the course of many centuries.

I'm not terribly interested in what happened in the distant past.

To me the key point is that here and now a material percentage of Muslims would want to sever my head from my body because I'm not a Muslim. Whereas I don't have to worry about that sort of treatment from Christians.

Tina obviously subscribes t... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Tina obviously subscribes to the school of modern leftism that claims that all religions are equivalent and that they all believe the same things and in the same god.

This mistaken belief arises from an underlying ignorance about religion and a laziness that deters the leftist from making even the most cursory examination of religious beliefs.

Here a scary thought. All o... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Here a scary thought. All of the "religous freedoms" that the religous right argues should be allowed in public schools, would apply to other religons as well.

Christians believe Jesus... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Christians believe Jesus to be God. Muslims believe that he is merely another prophet. If I have to explain the difference to you there's no point in having a discussion.

You are mixing up Islam and Judaism. Judaism believes that Jesus was just a prophet. Both Islam and Chrisitianity believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

Tina,Muslim's believ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Tina,
Muslim's believe Jesus (though the name never shows up in the Koran, instead I believe it is Yeshu, and there is debate on whether this name in the Koran and the Talmud are Jesus or not) was a prophet, that he was born of a virgin birth, and that he ascended to heaven to be with Allah (no crucifixion) and will return on judgment day to tear down the false savior.
They do not believe he is the son of God, or in the Holy Trinity. They do not believe he was resurrected or that he opened the gates of heaven or provided a new Covenant.
Judaism, however, I've never heard any Rabbis or serious scholars refer to Jesus as a prophet. He does not meet their definition of prophet on multiple counts and was believed to be leading his Jewish followers in apostasy.

Thanks SCSI. Muslims do ac... (Below threshold)

Thanks SCSI. Muslims do acknowledge the historical Jesus, and their tradition considers him to be somewhat of a "super-prophet" in a long line of Allah's prophets.

However, Islam does not recognize the four canonical Gospels to be inspired scripture, nor does Islam recognize the divinity of Jesus or his death and resurrection. And they certainly do not accept Jesus' death and resurrection as atonement and salvation for the sin of mankind.

Of course those beliefs are most of the central tenants of Christianity, and if one denies those tenants, then one truly has little in common with Christianity.

stop promoting false statem... (Below threshold)
Al Zach:

stop promoting false statements about islam. islam commands people to seek peace . commands muslims to fight back those who fight them for their belief. Islam never commands or even imply that non muslims should convert or die. go read about islam before you spread those lies. motivated by hate and ignorance. islam doesn't conquer it commands ppl to fight back. commands muslims to announce that they have their belief and others have their own. stop copying and pasting false statements from anti islam extremists .. you no better than them by doing so.

Jesus is a prophet of islam .. is this insulting? it's also insutling to all mankind jews and muslims to claim that god is another god .. that god is three. Do belief whatever you want but dont be offended if I announce my belief.

me and my family left our h... (Below threshold)
Tony:

me and my family left our homes in my country and came to Australia because i was not a muslim. in my country if you are not a muslim you will be killed. and for the muslims who think there religion is peace look again in your own backyard, saudi arabia is making millions out of you. i was a muslim. if you think you are going to get 4o wife when you die you kidding your self. i will die and still beleive in Christ. amen (i was born islam and left it because a priest saved my life)

There is nothing provocativ... (Below threshold)

There is nothing provocative about this. It is not an "assault" on Christianity. The ad on the bus simply states what it is Muslims believe about Jesus. Jesus is, indeed, a highly revered prophet in Islam. I as a believing Christian believe that he is more than that, but I'm not offended by what it is Muslims believe about him. In fact, they honor him far more than most secular folk, who completely disregard his divine significance.

What is more frightening here is the suggestion being made that Muslims should be forbidden from expressing their beliefs in public. Isn't Australia a free country where all religions are affirmed? To prevent a group from saying what they believe would, in fact, be far more of an assault on Australian values than allowing Christians to have the final say as to what other groups should be allowed to say.

Dear brothers and sisters i... (Below threshold)
Faisal_Decider:

Dear brothers and sisters in humanity, if you are any serious about the topic, please refere to the most authentic Revised Standard Version of the Bible, revised by the 32 top christian scholars. It says that the doctorine of trinity does not exist (it is an extrapolation). The word trinity does not exist. The verse with 'begotten son' is nowhere to be found in the most ancient menuscripts. Most ancient means closest to the original source. So please, even if you dont want to read the Quran, please research the Bible. Peace

Top Ten Reasons From The Bi... (Below threshold)
Faisal_Decider:

Top Ten Reasons From The Bible. For Christian Brothers and Sisters with open minds and open hearts, please refer to this video from a former Christian Youth Minister. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc

Jesus was more than just a ... (Below threshold)
Mohsin:

Jesus was more than just a guy in
Islam he was the messenger of GOD and the messiah promised to the children of Israel born of a Virgin birth and he was raised to the heavens and not crucified and he shall return before the end times it's blademphybti suggest the creator of the heavens and the earth begot a son blasphemy I say

for Zach , Jhabers , and M... (Below threshold)
tony :

for Zach , Jhabers , and Mohsin stop telling lies you insult 2/3 of the world by saying JUSES is just a prophet all christans beleves that JUSES is the SON of GOD as the holy bible teach us thus there is no link what soever between JUSES the son of GOD and islam exsept what JUSES himslef says a false prophets will come after me also the different between what JUSES teaching and islam teaching like the different between heaven and earth JUSES say love your enemy islam say kill non muslems

Noble Quran Surah Al Maidah... (Below threshold)
Addeen:

Noble Quran Surah Al Maidah 19:46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) , confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious).




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