The Richard Perle v DNC Chairman Howard Dean debate promised to put the lefties on parade for all they were worth… They never disappoint.
Protester Throws Shoe at Richard Perle
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) – Howard Dean, the newly minted leader of the Democratic Party, and former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle made clear their opposing views on the war in Iraq during a debate marred by a protester who tossed a shoe at Perle.
Perle had just started his comments Thursday when a protester threw a shoe at him before being dragged away, screaming, “Liar! Liar!”
I bet they weren’t leather shoes.
For those of you still clinging to hope the Democratic party can ever again represent the mainstream, do you give up yet?
Related: TNR say, liberalism is now bookless and dying, yup that about sums it up.
UPDATE The video of the debate can be see here I have not previewed it to see if the Birkenstock Bandit is on it.
I’ll bet he missed. Birkenstocks have crummy ballistic properties.
Only hemp shoes are allowed, unless they’re Birkenstocks.
Anyone have a transcript? Could not get one from Google.
Let’s make a deal. You get to assign any random-ass lefty you want with membership in the Democratic Party. We get to say every right-wing nut or Nazi is in league with the Right. I reckon a Republican would be pretty offended if I said he belonged the party of David Duke, who actually ran on Republican tickets.
Failing that, maybe we could all stop saying every extremist idiot represents the soul of the other side.
another account had the shoe thrower screaming “motherf***** liar” over and over… I guess AP felt the need to tone him down a bit just so they all don’t look so loony.
Powerline says CSPAN will broadcast it on Sat. the 26th.
McGehee if Kevin ever has a “best commenter” award, I’m going to make sure it is rigged in your favor.
TCo is is going to be on C-SPAN Saturday… I’ll TiVo it.
Gary Johnston you know if this were the only example, you’d have a point, sadly it is the new norm.
Why does one nut from the left have to demonize everyone else on the left?
How would the right like it if I stigmatized their side of the political spectrum with abortion clinic bombers and vandalists, skinheads, the klan etc, people who commit hate crimes?
Gee, Gary Johnston, Tom from SC, that demonization of the right you speak of wouldn’t already be occuring, would it? Oh, it is? Then what the fuck are you on about, you pathetic wretches?
” liberalism is now bookless and dying”
How about shoeless and dying?
Birkenstocks are a safe bet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a recycled Goodyear huarache–bought at a living wage price.
Thank you, Mr. Bowen — if you hadn’t said it, I would have had to, and I don’t like to have to work that hard for my dishonestly gained best-commenter award.
I was at this particular event. The news media doesnt even beging to portray the sense of what actually happened.
Mr. Perle says, “We went into Iraq using the best information we had available at the time”
A scream, “LIAR! LIAR” a man runs right by me towards the stage. The man is screaming “LIAR, YOU F**ING LIAR!” He takes his shoe and throws it at Mr Perle and misses. He reaches for another shoe, but gets tackled by a security guard. But you need to understand that his mouth has not stopped, “You F**ING WH*RE WH*RE WH*RE”
There is a struggle as more secruity guards come to assist. You see the bum’s head pop up and hear more obscenity.
About 6 or 8 Security Guards drag him off, and his screaming does not stop. You can still hear him screaming out in the hall.
If I was Mr. Perle, I would have been very shaken. It seemed like a very traumatic event.
Thats my perspective.
Liar! Liar! Now where have I heard that before?
“Honestly, who uses a shoe?”
My grandmother used to use a shoe to spank us with, maybe he knew her. Where do people get the notion that Howard Dean is a leftie, he is to the right of W.
How much would that shoe go for on ebay if you could get Mr. Perle to sign it?
The party of Truman and FDR was the party of the little guy. Today’s Democratic party is being run by radicals. The liberal left has come unhinged and is mainstream within the arty.
Frankly, I have no idea what David Duke, Adolpf Hitler, or the skinheads are up to these days. They certainly are not at the front of any political movement. I can’t say the same for Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Sean Penn and Janeane Garofalo.
Gary: Too bad the Nazis and Fascsits were Leftists. Nazi” is short for “nationalsozialistische” or “National Socialist. See here:
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/hitler.html
http://geocities.com/jonjayray/musso.html
Too bad the Klan and other “rightists” seek protectionism, non-intervention, etc. In other words, they are just good Deanists.
Have a nice day.
Why does one nut from the left have to demonize everyone else on the left?
Well he is the charman of the DNC.
The way you guys are reacting you would have thought Howard Dean was the guy throwing the shoes. The world is full of crazies who pull stunts like this for the attention, like that guy who tossed the pie in Bill Gates’ face, or, taken to the extreme, anyone who commits assassinations. I wouldn’t call Lee Harvey Oswald a typical 1960s republican, but you guys have no problem labeling any nutbag who goes after a Republican a “typical lefty Democrat”
Gary Johnston and Tom from S.C.:
Two words for you…
Senator Byrd.
Thanks for playing.
I am laughing so hard right now. Every time you call these fruitcakes on the way they act, they come back with “What about YOUR guys who act this way?” Problem with that argument is: There aren’t any. I am so tired of the Liar, Hitler, NeoCon, B.S. labels issued by SOME on the left, but tolerated by all (or most).
Fact is, no one on the right is freaking out, kicking and screaming, throwing things, swearing, etc. If you dumbasses knew what was good for your party, you would disown these freaks, Moore, Garofalo, Boxer, Kennedy- all! But you won’t, because you love what they do. That makes YOU fundamentally the same.
Maybe it was this kind of shoe.
Was the shoe a flip-flop? Might have been Kerry. Everytime someone from the left points out that David Duke ran as a democrat I try telling them that anyone can claim to be from whatever party they want to be, doesn’t make it true. If being a member of the Klan makes you a republican how do they explain Senator Byrd? He certainly is a democrat, with the full support of the party.
Oops should have said ran as a republican, I was too busy laughing at the lack of sanity to pay attention.
This is emblematic of the Dems. This incident just goes on top of the BC04 campaign HQ’s being vandalized and burgularized across the country, etc etc.
The head of your party said “I hate the Republicans and all they stand for”
Your last V.P. has compared the right to nazis (“digital brownshirts)
The biggest money donor to the Dems,- Mr. Soros- used his money to defend a convicted traitor (Lynne Stewart)
No, don’t complain to us when we call you all what you are.
Fact is, no one on the right is freaking out, kicking and screaming, throwing things, swearing, etc.
At least not since Clinton left office.
Which Clinton appointee got a shoe thrown at him in a live debate?
Which head of the RNC said “I hate Democrats” in the 90s?
I’ll take didn’t happen for $800 Alex.
As I have pointed out there’s a reason why GHWB called Portland ‘Little Beirut’. We’ve had protests after protests with people blocking traffic and marching around Dubya’s hotel. We house the terrorist organizations called the ‘Animal Liberation Front (ALF)’ and the ‘Environmental Libertation Front (ELF)’. We had the famous Tre Arrow sit on our Army Corps of Engineers building and the police refused to get him down even though he was trespassing. Etc. etc.
Don’t take Bruce C. Charles as a representative of the Democrats, he’s more a representative of the Howard Dean and Dennis Kuchinch wing of the communist faction of the Democratic Party.
Me, I moved out of Portland into rural Ridgefield, Washington to escape 1) higher taxes and 2) constant protest activity.
I wouldn’t call Lee Harvey Oswald a typical 1960s republican,
Well, good. Because considering his love affair with the USSR and Cuba, if you did, I would have to call you nuts.
Some protester threw a shoe at Perle, and that was asinine. Dont look for me to condone it, because I wont. I always find it ironic when “peace” protesters resort to violence, profanity, assault, etc. And when I say ironic I mean stupid.
Howard Dean said that he “hates Republicans and all they stand for.” Thats stupid to say as well, as the statement puts millions into one group, encourages hate, and eliminates much room for dialogue. That doesnt help anyone, and I can understand why Republicans wouldnt like a guy who said that.
Similarly I think its deplorable when people attack liberals by calling them all stupid, treasonous, anti-american, and all of that. It’s the same thing as what Dean did, and it happens on here alot.
Thats right kids, I’m a goddamn liberal. I have some views that some of you dont like, and thats fine, because I disagree with some of yours. OK? I dont go around saying that all conservatives are stupid, or that I hate them. I dont think that way at all actually.
So, in summary, the shoe thrower is an idiot, Dean isnt my favorite person in the world, I dont hate Republicans and all they stand for, and I’m a liberal.
whether you like it or not, the lunatic fringe of Dean, Kuchinch, Pelosi and Kennedy are the face of the democrat party.
It pretty obvious that they will soon be the party of well financed fringe groups that hates republicans while the republicans are a party that represents the majority of the people.
Mike wrote:
It pretty obvious that they will soon be the party of well financed fringe groups that hates republicans…
Well Mike, I have to that for me personally I dont find many answers in more reactionary types like some of these guys who base all their solutions on how evil the “other” side is.
Reactionary politics just seem to go from one extreme to other other.
it should say “I have to SAY that for me personally”
sorry.
Never, never never forget you right-wingers, it is YOUR fault the Dems are associated with wackos. True,we tolerate wackos and kooks. True,we celebrate wackos and kooks. But when you point that out, you are just being a Fascist Nazi. Why? Because we liberals are always victims. That is why. Something to do with our Slave Morality or something.
When they picked the very extreme Reid to replace Tom the handwriting was on the wall – to quote a Book that Dr. Dean never reads. Remember when the good Dr said his favorite book in the Old Testament was Luke?
To “Liberal Victim” aka Sarcastic Conservative:
I think that when Conservos point out things like this shoe throwing fool, and statements like what Dean said about Republicans, they have legitimate gripes.
But they have to be careful about casting their labels and insinuations upon all liberals, for what some do.
I’m a liberal, and your accusations sure as hell dont apply to me.
“I’m a liberal, and your accusations sure as hell dont apply to me”
So what are YOU doing about it? I am real liberal, so I will whine and play the victim, all the while turning a blind eye toward those who claim to believe as I do. Victimhood is our root and branch.
Well, I guess that makes me a fake liberal, by your thinking. I’m not some victim, and I dont think that other people are supposed to correct things that I disagree with.
When I see people on “my side” who I think are full of shit, I tell them. I’m not towing some partisan line, I dont care about that. I’m more concerned with finding answers that make sense, that work for more than one side.
If victimhood is the root and branch then some fucking uprooting needs to take place, IMO.
BTW why dont you drop the fake signature?
Change my name? You must be a nazi fascist brownshirt neocon to make such a suggestion. Why are you being so racist?
What is r.a. doing about it?
He’s whining that I blogged it. That won’t make the people on his side any more sane or rational but he insists on doing it. As if it were my fault they did it.
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Why does one nut from the left have to demonize everyone else on the left?
“Well he is the charman of the DNC.”
— McGehee, you officially have competition. lol
I’m a liberal, and your accusations sure as hell dont apply to me
Actually, they do. This shoe throwing idiot, this Deam idiot, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, George Soros, Kos, MoveOn.org – they are the face of your party. They’re driving your agenda. They’re giving the most money, they have the most visibility, they have the most energy.
You don’t want to be associated with them, do something about it. Because if you voted for Kerry, then YES you’re in bed with these people. Kerry was in bed with Soros, and follow the chain downwards. When the last head of YOUR party accuses the president of being AWOL, when the last VP of YOUR party compares the right to brownshirts, when YOUR presidential nominees speculate on radio that “Bush knew” about 9/11 beforehand….well, you must have fleas because you’re laying down with the dogs.
Sorry it has to be that way, but it is. Stop complaining and plan to take your party back.
For the sake of conversation, we could be jumping to the conclusion that the shoe thrower is a lefty. He could have been from the hard core right.
Maybe he was angry that we didn’t just nuke Iraq, and get it over with fast and cheap. Or maybe he is pissed that we haven’t built a big wall around the US.
Its probably an infinitesimal possibility, but just saying, you never know…
r.a. isn’t “towing” the party line? He’s telling us that the face his party presents, the shoe-throwers, Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Moore, and Soros isn’t representative of the party when they are clearly the leadership. He’s standing behind the party when he claims it’s not representing him, he’s either being dishonest about that or he is toeing the party line regardless of where that line leads. Not that he cares about that type of thing….. if you don’t believe him ask him.
For those of you still clinging to hope the Democratic party can ever again represent the mainstream, do you give up yet?
Hmm, in the last four national elections, the Democrats won a plurality of the popular vote in three. The Democratic candidate for President in 2004 lost by a whopping three points!—the closest re-election of President ever (Presidents either get reelected big or lose big, W squeeked by).
Yup, the Dems should just give up. The above attitude is the same weakness the Dems suffered from in ’92 when the lazy media was proclaiming the Rethugs dead as they were out of control of all political branches of government. That really panned out. . . .
I meant ’93 obviously.
Let’s make a deal. You get to assign any random-ass lefty you want with membership in the Democratic Party. We get to say every right-wing nut or Nazi is in league with the Right.
But Gary, isn’t that what the left has been doing for the last decade? That also sounds like the lefts idea of fair play… we get to tie 1 nut to you, you want to assign a thousand to us as payback.
Breathe slowly and deeply…. wait for the spots to clear and your peripheral vision to return…
shark:
Sorry it has to be that way, but it is. Stop complaining and plan to take your party back.
to be honest with you, I’m not a democrat.
He’s whining that I blogged it. That won’t make the people on his side any more sane or rational but he insists on doing it. As if it were my fault they did it.
Paul…what is your problem dude? I’m not whining about what you posted, in fact I agreed with what you said, and wrote that the complaints against Dean and the shoe throwing dude were legit.
I never said it was your fault. Damn now you’re manufacturing things that never happened.
I wrote:
Some protester threw a shoe at Perle, and that was asinine. Dont look for me to condone it, because I wont. I always find it ironic when “peace” protesters resort to violence, profanity, assault, etc. And when I say ironic I mean stupid.
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Howard Dean said that he “hates Republicans and all they stand for.” Thats stupid to say as well, as the statement puts millions into one group, encourages hate, and eliminates much room for dialogue. That doesnt help anyone, and I can understand why Republicans wouldnt like a guy who said that.
You tell me where I was “whining” about you blogging this. Tell me where I blamed you for it. Dude you are seriously so blinded by your partisan ideology you cant see straight.