It seems fitting that so many news stories leading up to the 4th of July involve issues of patriotism. The question of whether or not newspapers should have published classified national security information raises the question, among others, of whether the American media should be patriotic and choose sides. For many years, this was not even a question. Recently, however, it has been the subject of much debate. Following 9/11 there was even controversy over some news anchors who chose to wear American flag pins on their lapels.
Many on the left have cited patriotism as the basis for their questioning of the war and of the administration. Most recently Richard Stengel, Managing Editor of Time invoked patriotism:
The line between dissent and disloyalty, between harmful revelations and vital ones, is murky. Often we never really know. But I would argue that the judicious questioning of the conduct and morality of war is the furthest thing from disloyalty: it is an expression of deep patriotism and the essence of responsible citizenship.
While some on the left are embracing patriotism in an attempt to explain their actions, others recoil at the very notion of patriotic expression. According to recent entries, some at Daily Kos don’t want to appear patriotic, lest their patriotism be interpreted as support for a president they hate. It goes beyond the President himself for many though, and extends to the military and American society in general. As one Kos diarist put it, “How could I in good conscience stand to embrace the lyrics “I’m proud to be an American” in the very same week we learned U.S. soldiers raped an Iraqi woman then murdered her and her family to cover up the crime?”
When it comes to patriotism, I guess it is easier being conservative. As best I can tell, patriotism is pretty straight forward and uncomplicated for most of us on the right. It is for me, anyway. Maybe I am just not nuanced enough to have a problem with patriotism. I have enough sense to know that even if a few soldiers are found to be guilty of horrible crimes, they do not represent the vast majority of the very wonderful men and women wearing the uniform of this country. It is important that we thank those doing such a great job and let them know we appreciate it. I also recognize that even though this country is not perfect, it is far superior to any other. That fence so many people want built is certainly not intended to keep people inside the country.
For those on the left worried that if they wave a flag tomorrow they might be thought to be supporting the President of the United States, or the U.S. military, or American capitalism, relax. Fly the flag, sing some patriotic songs, shoot off some fireworks, eat some hot dogs. I did when Bill Clinton was President and no one that I know got the impression that I was endorsing him. One thing it seems most everyone, right and left, can agree on is the beauty of the U.S. Constitution and appreciation for the freedoms we are so blessed to experience. I encourage everyone on the right and left alike to celebrate what you find great about this country.
Update: Betsy Newmark took this subject and ran with it. She takes a look at some survey results regarding patriotism that are very interesting.
Update II: This post at Sweetness & Light about Cindy Sheehan’s take on the Star Spangled Banner is another example to add ot those of the Kos crowd.
This is cross-posted at Right Wing News where I am guest blogging today.
This portion of the Stengel quote caught my attention:
…the judicious questioning of the conduct and morality of war…
That is really the crux of the matter isn’t it? The left has sought to convince us that it is this war in this time and this place that is particuarly immoral. The truth is, they are against every war.
It’s not easier to be patriotic if you’re a conservative, it’s simply easier to justify. You see, it’s easier for a lefty to be patriotic, simply because for them someone who is patriotic is completely indistinguishable from someone who is not patriotic, so it requires no effort. Now, the difficulty for a lefty is in convincing people that their traitorous behavior really is patriotism. Conservatives have the tougher time, as they have to do things like suffer the slings and arrows of anti-Americanism so rampant throughout the elites of the world and actually stand in defense of their country, but at least they don’t have the problems with cognitive dissonance.
The entire country may disagree with me, but I don’t understand the necessity for patriotism.
It’s pretty clear she doesn’t.
I’m sure it can be (and will be) said much better by other posters, but the DK quote you lifted above, Lorie, exemplifies in my mind the majority of lefty carping. “How can I say I’m proud to be an American when [add your own indictment of the US here].”
I’m not blind. I know the USA has done many things over the years for which we should feel shame. Slavery. The Mexican War. The Trail of Tears. The Scottsboro Boys. But those incidents, though committed by Americans, are not representative of America. I don’t know of any honest conservative who wants to whitewash the past and say “well, we had to clear the Injuns out to grow the railroads. Screw them.” We don’t excuse barbarity, but we realize that we have not always lived up to the words of what Pauline Meier called “American Scripture:”
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Patriotism is being proud of your country despite her flaws, because of the heights she has reached. God knows I loathed the Syphilitic Hillbilly and his shrewish Evita with the best of them, and though I cursed the less than 50% who elected the bum, I never let my rage at Clinton make me ashamed to be an American (though I was certainly embarrassed, when Monica pulled out her blue dress).
If your initial reaction to July Fourth is not “how fortunate I am to live here; how can I help make this a better country,” but “how can I be proud when soldiers rape and murder / BushHitler is pResident / we’re a racist Amerikka / whatr’s wrong with Kansas,” then, yes, maybe we should question your patriotism.
I’m one of those people who feels uncomfortable at ostentatious displays of patriotism. Don’t know why. But it doesn’t stop there. When masses of people lay bare emotions and feelings I feel like I’m intruding and I cannot understand why I don’t get caught up it; and I wonder what they think because I don’t get caught up in it. I’m probably just not much of a joiner.
That said, I travel a lot, and the United States is home. Always will be. When the man or woman at Customs and Immigration stamps my passport and says “welcome home” I always appreciate it.
Two corrections should be made to the above thread:
First, Lorie, GOPers remaining patriotic during Clinton can not equate to Dems during Bush. GOPers by and large love and support our nation. Dems by and large do not.
Second, Jeff Blogworthy, it is NOT true that Dems are against every war. Dems favor our involvement in wars where our national security and defense are not at stake, such as Bosnia.
You know, I hope none of these people who can’t seem to find patriotism at all appealing never have children. Not because I am not wanting them to breed or any such nonsense as that. But if there has to be perfection in somethig before they can feel pride in it, their kids are gonna grow up in one of the most dysfunctional families around. Kids, and people in general, are imperfect. If I can not feel good about the fact that my seven year old son did something good, without pointing out to all in earshot that he broke a window when he was four, there is something wrong with that.
Hell, I wonder what adult realtionships are like with those kind of prefectionists. “Honey, I am home!” “Yeah, but you were late five days ago!”
JSchuler swings true and cmd hits the nail. Again it comes down to understanding what the word means, and how to apply it. So easy for either side to distort, to contend that blind allegiance is what patriotism is all about. The strength of our country remains in those who do understand and apply with a pride tempered with humility and without hate, spite and scorn.
Here in Austin there are thousands of cars with “Dissent is Patriotic” bumper stickers. Most of these lefties bash the U.S., hate our military and embrace the enemies of our country. Still, they do have the constitutional right to do so. That does not make them patriotic. A more appropriate bumper sticker might read, “Tolerating Dissent is Patriotic”. The “dissenters” may hate our country, but because I love our country I’ll pur up with them.
GOPers by and large love and support our nation. Dems by and large do not.
Neoconservative propaganda. There are Democrats on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, and what you have said about them denigrates and demoralizes that considerable portion of our troops who identify themselves as Democrats.
In other words, you don’t support our troops, and are giving comfort to the Islamofascists who are trying to destroy us.
It seems that for many of the people posting here, a display of patriotism means putting down fellow Americans. Saying they’re traitors, they shouldn’t have kids, they hate their country and the soldiers.
Without going into comments about what “many” means, I would point out that finding a proportion of folks making denigrating comments, implied or direct, on either side of an argument does nothing to support or detract from the basis for the arguments. They are distractors.
“Dems by and large do not.” A bit of a distortion. However an undeniably visible proportion of folks who are seen as part of the Democrats, do exhibit behavior and spout words that support the allegation. And they are not shunned by the mainstream. Sadly, the Right has a similar problem. Both of these are also distractors.
“I’m exercising the right not to walk.”
–Dalton, Dead Poets Society
I can speak from first hand experience. Despite all her flaws and the attempt to hijact its history by the left, America is still the greatest country on earth and probably in history. Objectively, America has brought freedom and prosperity to the most number of people on earth. America has saved the world from fascism and communism, the two bloodiest tyranical reigns in history so far. America is the only one leading the fight against Islamic fascism today. You can be proud of this great nation and there is nothing wrong with the display of patriotism on this July 4th celebration. It is easy to take this country for granted if you have been born and growing up here.
The beauty of the U.S. Constitution you seem to think the left and right can agree upon is like the blind men and their respective views of the elephant. The left seems to gravitate to the ass-end of the elephant and come up with crap. Example: Article One: Legislative power belong to Congress. The left interprets this to mean that the judiciary can legislate when the law of the land conflicts with their social/political agenda. Article Two: The President shall be commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the U.S.and of the militia of the several States. The left interprets this to mean that Congress and Supreme Court can override his decisions, the media can drive presidential decisions with “polls”, any State governor (Schwarteneger)can refuse to send militia to serve at the order of the President. Article Three: The judicial power shall extend to all cases in law and equity arising under this constitution, the laws of the United States…. The left believes the Supremes are free to bring foreign laws into their decisions. and to legislate, which is beyond their constitutional powers. Article Four: The United States shall guaranty to every State in this Union a republican form of government, and shall protect them against invasion…. Think illegal aliens here – by the millions. Article Six: Senators, Legislators, members of State legislatures, all executives and judicial officers of the U.S. and of the several States shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this constitution…. For the left, this means only those parts that don’t conflict with their “personal belief system”, however unconstitutional and crack-pot that might be.
Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if your head is up the elephant’s ass, your “constitutional” view point is, well, just shitty.
astigafa, the Democrat Party (and its MSM ally) does, in fact, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. Hence, people who claim to be Democrat voters, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. (That seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?)
Patriotism isn’t an exclusively Republican or Democratic emotion. When you deny patriotism you, at least, deny solidarity with the rich body of tradition that is America and at worse you deny that which has made you what you are.
Whether you voted for, or despise the current occupant of the White House he (or, someday she) is your President. To deny this is to deny the validity of the democratic pincipal.
Whittaker Chambers describes patriotism as “…Feeling the forming influances of your country to such a degree that you can’t envision life without them.” Is this not true for each of us? Especially for those who are politically motivated (unless your political motivation is to destroy what it means to be an American).
Brad, precisely, “unless your political motivation is to destroy what it means to be an American”. Isn’t that exactly what the Democrats and their MSM allies are doing?
Am I missing something here?
One thing it seems most everyone, right and left, can agree on is the beauty of the U.S. Constitution and appreciation for the freedoms we are so blessed to experience. I agree especially the Bill of Rights and the checks and balances inherent in the Constitution..This is why we must be so careful of any branch of government usurping the powers of the other two. It is certanly more than a …piece of paper or parchment.
Steve Crickmore, “checks and balances” issue is continuing to be misapplied. The MSM and the Dems (and I fear you) are really referring to a “checks and balances” between GOP and Dems. What if, pray tell, the three branches of Govt. are controlled by GOP: Executive, Congress, Courts!!! That’s no “checks and balances” problem. We have no “checks and balances problem”. It’s a phony issue!
Ted, using the present, rather unique, political situation as evidence that a checks and balances system does not exist as envisioned by the Constitution is a very weak arguement. It is no fault of the Constitution or the electorate that the Democratic Party’s message has not been enthusiastically embraced to a degree that would afford them significant clout in the legislature or White House. I am sure at some point that will change when the Dems freely undergo a journey of serious introspection.
astigufa, an example of twisted logic so common amoung the leftoids.
The history of America developing is a fantastic thing of admiration. The things our people have done under the protection of freedom is something done no where else. I can think of no other place to be as domany million across the world.
God Bless America…
God bless and protect this “last best hope” for mankind!
The Dimocrats love to disclaim and decry every action of this country that occurs when THEY are not in power. This part-time “patriotism” is really fickleness borne of a lust for power.
Yes, Republicans have their villians too. But the leading voices of the Dims these days are dangerous in their disparaging of the USA.
Durbin, Kerry and Dean have ALL loudly and repreatedly declared US the “terroriists” of the world. And Jimmy Carter seeks out every microphone he can to rail against our President!!
ted
You drooled, like the true patriot that you think you are, “astigafa, the Democrat Party (and its MSM ally) does, in fact, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. Hence, people who claim to be Democrat voters, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. (That seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?)”
Just where the hell is your evidence for your puerile and absurd allegation?
Apparently you can’t even follow the reasonably balanced lead of this topic, patriotism, as Lorie wrote it. You are NO patriot; just an obvious boob/slob who would march to the beat of any tyrant’s drum. You are exactly the kind of pseudo-patriot of the right that makes so many of us on the Left want to PUKE.
Your patriotic salute is no different than a Deutscher Gruß.
mak44…”Just where the hell is your evidence for your puerile and absurd allegation?”
I’m sure Ted can provide lots more, but a simple example is the frequency with which Democrat TALKING POINTS wind up on Islamofascist websites, in the ramblings of Zark (Rest in Hell), and Binny’s bi-monthly “newsletters”.
it happens a LOT!
mak has arrived, let the poo flinging begin!
Mak44, how patriotic of you to point out your unbias opinion of what Ted posted. But Mak33, you alone have supplied the best example of what Ted was writing about. So Mak22, you are the answer to your own allegation. I’ll bet, Mak11 that you are a charter member of the Daily Kos. All I can say, Mak00, is, is that you Bill Keller?
mak44 the evidence of Teds assertions is simply reading any one of your posts. that proves his point exactly.
astigafa, the Democrat Party (and its MSM ally) does, in fact, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. Hence, people who claim to be Democrat voters, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. (That seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?)
No, it doesn’t. Please include some links purporting to tie the DemocratIC party to support of the “Islamofacists”. The CCM (corrupt corporate media) will serve the interests of the “right” before it does those of the “left” any time the purse strings and desire to climb the ladder are considerations.
But let me ask again – give me some examples, please.
I’m sure Ted can provide lots more, but a simple example is the frequency with which Democrat TALKING POINTS wind up on Islamofascist websites, in the ramblings of Zark (Rest in Hell), and Binny’s bi-monthly “newsletters”.
it happens a LOT!
Ah, yet another idiotic rant torn straight from the front page of idiots like Rush and Ann of the Adam’s Apple’s facist ramblings.
1. Logic lesson: There are varying opinions within any country on any current issues. Since one “side” opposes the war in Iraq (note: I thought Afghanistan was necessary and worthwile), it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the enemy would latch onto the arguments coming from within the country that are contrary to that against which they are fighting.
The fact that the enemy chooses to glom onto one side of a LEGITIMATE discussion within our national discourse does not by extension invalidate that side of the discussion – unless you’re a 6th grader on the playground without logical faculties. GIve me some examples of “Democrat talking points”
2. What are you doing reading “Islamofacist Websites”? Can you even NAME one of these sites?!
I can’t.
P.S. –
I have no problem singing the National Anthem (still chokes me up sometimes), flying a flag on the Fourth of July, and being proud of all the good things my country has done.
Furthermore, I give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who has served their country in the Armed Forces, and think that the neocon rightwing nutcases such as those of you who frequent this site, are criminals and should be prosecuted for denigrating the military service records of ONLY the people who disagree with your worldview (for whatever that’s worth to a sixth grader).
The right consists of paranoid, frightened bed wetters who think that the world is coming to get them, and that anyone who doesn’t agree with them is worthy of being “swift boated” – nevermind that the Veep and most of the Repugs in Congress never served a day in their miserable lives.
Do you want a list of prominent Dems vs. Repugs who have served in the Forces?
Hypocrites and sissies.
Nice to see that there will be plenty of asshats out in force this weekend practicing their “Hate Thy Neighbor if They Aren’t Like Me” approach to patriotism.
Ahhh, stupid americans at their finest! To you folks I hope that the concussion of a “too close” firework knocks you out cold, and that you wake up afterwards forgetting that you are programmed to hate, and start practicing the kind of patriotic love of this country and our fellow americans that the rest of us are celebrating.
We have a lot to be thankful for, living in in the greatest country in the world. It’s time to celebrate!
You see my kind of loyalty was loyalty to one’s country, not to its institutions or its office-holders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to; institutions are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags — that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal; it belongs to monarchy, was invented by monarchy; let monarchy keep it.
– Hank Morgan, from A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court by Mark Twain
I have no problem with patriotism. I am loyal to my country and its ideals, not its clothing.
Lee your satyr is wonderful!!! Have you thought about contributing to hatebush.com? Did you get a gold star for composition?
While your posts are funny my time is limited to reading the post by adults…
KC, “strawman argument” you make:
Ted said:
“astigafa, the Democrat Party (and its MSM ally) does, in fact, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. Hence, people who claim to be Democrat voters, give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy. (That seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?)
KC said:
“No, it doesn’t. Please include some links purporting to tie the DemocratIC party to support of the “Islamofacists”.”
KC, I DIDN’T SAY ‘TIE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY TO SUPPORT OF THE ISLAMOFACISTS'” I said “give aid and support to our Islamofascist enemy”.
KC, if a cursory review of the news does not reveal this to you, then an explanation would do no good.
And, on the “checks and balances” issue, I was not complaining about a lack of checks and balance, I was merely saying there’s no lack of checks and balance as envisioned in our constitution just because the GOP currently controls the three branches of Government. It’s the Dems who are incorrectly claiming a lack of checks and balance.
(Comments in response, from my own site:)\
With all respect to Lorie, this isn’t murky at all, nor is it a hard question.
The truth is, that America has many enemies. She always has. However, the amount of enemies that she faces from within has never been larger than today. This is not due to America being less great, but rather because we have become complacent about the enemies among us.
There is a fine line between dissent and openly working for the other side, but it’;s hardly a murky one. I draw the line this way:
The patriotic descent I can understand, and even respect. There’s a proper argument that must happen As to how to achieve the goals as expressed by the founders of this country. I have long and loud and often quite publicly, argued with some about how best to achieve those goals. I have no argument with people who hold those goals dear. Where we often differ, is how best to achieve them. That is a healthy and just argument. Until recently, that has been the nature of politics here in the United States; a discussion… an argument… of how best to achieve those goals.
However, in recent years, (the last 60 or so ) the nature of that argument has begun to change, and the rate of change has become a dramatic within the last twenty years or so. Which brings us to the point where we are now; the kind of hatred, as Lorie mentions, coming from both outside and inside these United States, goes way outside those boundaries of argument, and, rather argues toward goals that are dramatically different from what the founders envisioned. That’s not patriotism. That’s working for the other side.
Lorie suggests:
Actually I’m not so sure. Certainly, one can endorse the idea of the constitution. The question becomes what the constitution guarantees . We seem to be operating under markedly different points of view as regards to rights guaranteed by the constitution… for example; Is government paid-for healthcare a ‘right’?
If you were to ask the KOSsacks, they’d say ‘yes’.
Is America are allowed to protect itself, through military action.. example, Iraq…
If you were to ask the KOSsacks, they’d say ‘no’.
In both cases, people not sitting way out on the left side of the street will give you the opposite answer to both questions.
These are merely two examples of how the central question of what the constitution says and means are vastly different. The end effect of those different perceptions can be seen quite clearly in the land of Kos, on the Memorial day, Flag day, and the Fourth of July. there are obvious and distaste for the days and what they represent is quite clear for anyone to see. Make no mistake whatever, here. These people want a weaker America. They are ever working for that goal.
The left are not alone in this. There are those who will claim that they are working toward the freedom of the individual. In doing so, oftentimes, they will dump on the founders and the ideals that they expressed, just as the left do.
Both these groups willingly ignore the fact that this America has become without any question or reservation whatsoever to free his nation on the face of the planet because of those ideas and ideals, and the culture that they gave birth to. They further neglect the concept that moving away from those ideas and ideals, and that culture, as expressed by this country’s founders threatens to demolish the very individual freedom they claim to support.
For myself, I hope for.. and work for… a day where a strong America.. a world-leading America… with minimal government intervention, is moving back to the original purpose of government. That in fact is the purpose for this blog… the very reason I started it, and the reason I’ve posted some 5500 articles in it. These are purposes, that those groups as I’ve spoken of, to this day, cannot bring themselves to understand.
Admittedly; At this stage of the game, I don’t see achievement of that goal happening in my lifetime. Still, I will work, I will struggle, I will write, I will speak, …..all to the achievement of that goal.
And I will honor… as both an instinctive and conscious reaction, those who serve those ideas and ideals true, while in Uniform. (Which is one reason I latched onto McQ’s “Project Hero”. ) AS I said a few months ago:
It occurs to me that the people that are protesting our even having a military, much less using it, do not understand such concepts because they do not understand that there is something larger than the individual…. something larger than self. I do not deny the statements that the self, that the individual, is important , vital. Yet, there comes times, and situations, where self must morally, and logically, take a back seat.
That’s a patriot, in my view. A patriot, to the original ideas of these United States of America as exemplified by the words… and deeds… of our founders. Ideas and ideals, which, while not perfect, have made us the strongest most prosperous and yes, the most free nation on earth. And those working against such of the military, and what they defenmd, are not. This isn’t murky… this is clear-cut.
If you do not understand or do not agree with what I’m saying here, rest assured that I’ll be working against you . No matter what flag you decide to wrap yourself in.
Posted by: Lee at July 3, 2006 01:46 PM
Kettle, meet Pot.
Then in the very next paragraph, this pearl . . .
Good to see you are joining in on that practice, asshat.
We will celebrate even more when you create a post that has something of substance Lee. Until then, you are a continuing troll who still has not answered questions to support your POV.
Nicely snipped, but for the record:
DavidB – you can skip the wake up part. Everyone else, enjoy the holiday.
Definition of patriotism:
Love and devotion to one’s country and willing to sacrifice for it.
You can’t just proclaim it, you live it.
Anyway you cut it Lee, you are wishing hurt on another person. That’s sort of hateful in my, and many others, book.
Oh, and since it wasn’t that far above mine, it wouldn’t be too difficult to go back and read the original, it was just snipped for brevity.
The point still stands, Kettle, meet Pot.
Oh, and that you still can’t support your POV with factoids . . . .
Oh, and that you still can’t support your POV with factoids . . . .
Right; can’t prove a negative, and since the majority of broadcast, print and streamed media do not hate America and are not giving aid and comfort to the enemy, he can’t prove that they’re not. As for Lorie’s point:
According to recent entries, some at Daily Kos don’t want to appear patriotic, lest their patriotism be interpreted as support for a president they hate.
And there are people on the left who genuinely believe that humor and even laughter are undesireable human expressions; if A is laughing, B must be crying, they will tell you. And the fact that those people are out there saying this crap proves nothing, about anyone or anything. Go read http://www.stormfront.org; they’re not lefty moonbats, so they’ve got to be your natural Rightist allies, people you love and trust, right?
DavidB, Astrand, Jainphx, Bithead, Serfer 62 et al
Looks like a lot of Rightie hate here in most of these posts. You hate-patriots really do expose what your American Patriotism is all about, HATE
The clear impression in most of these moronic Pavlovian posts is intolerance & hatred of dissent & dissenters. Any foreigner reading this site would come away w/ the clear impression that the Right is filled w/ pathological hatred of anyone or any idea different based on the swill that this Choir sings.
Just the kind of knee-jerk jingoidtic patriotism ripe for the first tyrant who comes along.
There isn’t a one in this sour crowd who wouldn’t have been a Tory during the American Revolution. So why the hell do you celebrate? What this day represents and what this Constitution represents, you all, had you been alive in the 18th Century, would have despised because you would have been another George’s minions.
Apologies for not having a dictionary of internet abbreviations. Does “mak” mean:
moron@keyboard
????
I suppose that the tenor of your comments in this post and earlier are filled with LOVE, Michael?
twolaneflash
Don’t know about that, but according to the Internet Dictionary that you mentioned, twolaneflash is the polite spelling for Buttplug.
MAK:
Hate?
I’m reminded of a famous line from a movie ;
“You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means. “
As much as you’d like to project this statement of mine as hate, what it really is is something that you will never understand, apparently… principle. The principles in this case has laid down by the founders.
Or are you going to suggest that they, too, are filled with hate, because their ideas and ideals don’t match with your socialist vision?
You speak of the perception of foreigners. Here’s one that ought to make your head explode:
Would said foreigners, in the name of ‘love’ allowed you into their country and their society, and their culture, without your first adopting the foundational principles of the country?
Oh, happy day! I’ve pissed off another asshat! Muslim Ass Kisser
I’m sick of all this pussyfooting around. Liberals and Democrats are traitors. When the hell are we going to stop talking about it and start treating them as they should be treated?
They should be rounded up and put in jail. Our nation is at war and yet we allow them to endanger our soldiers and our lives!
Come on people. When does the talking stop and the action begin?
I linked my patriotism 4th of July post here, hope that’s okay.
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
–Governor George W. Bush (R-TX