Yesterday, my little piece on the Foley mess generated a LOT of heated arguments. As I read through the comments, a few thoughts came to mind.
1) VagaBond wondered how, if Foley is never formally charged with a crime, could anyone else be charged in the mess. Yeah, they could. Look at the Valerie Plame case — the actual leaker, Richard Armitage, is utterly in the clear, but Scooter Libby is still facing perjury charges.
2) The effect on the November elections: I expect very little. There simply isn’t a national election this year — there are 435 state district elections and 33 or 34 (I don’t feel like looking up the precise number) state-wide elections. The Democrats will TRY to hang Foley around the necks of Republicans, but the simple fact is that unless they can connect the voter’s individual representative to Foley directly, he won’t be a factor.
2A) A lot of people tend to forget that we don’t have national elections here. Ever. Even when we elect presidents, we have 51 individual elections, and the winner is not the guy who gets the most votes, but gets the most votes in the right states. Hell, if one candidate took just the ten most populous states and didn’t win a single vote in any other state, they’d still squeak out a victory.
3) For better or worse, the bar has been raised considerably on what is and is not considered acceptable conduct for members of Congress. 20 years ago, having sex with 17-year-old pages was grounds for censure. Just six years ago, former Congressman Mel Reynolds was serving jail time for having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker (and attempting to lure her younger sister into the sordid mess), but his sentence for that and serious financial improprieties was commuted by then-outgoing President Clinton. Now, trying to have cybersex with a page is, politically, a capital offense.
4) Neither party has a monopoly on virtue and morality, and neither has a lock on sleazebags. Those who say that the Foley scandal — or the Reynolds scandal, or the Condit scandal, or the Studds scandal, or the Frank scandal — is an exemplar of a partisan hack trying to score points at any expense.
5) The fact is that nearly every member of Congress belongs to the same party. That party is not the Democratic or the Republican party, but the Incumbent party. And the partisanship that engenders can be far fiercer than either of the two formal parties can produce.
6) This is purely speculative on my part, but it seems that political affiliation seems to play a part in how scandals — especially sex scandals — are handled. Republican offenses tend to raise the bar in acceptable conduct, while Democrat peccadilloes seem to, if I may steal a phrase, “define deviancy down.” Dan Crane (R) had an affair with a female intern, and was made a pariah. At the same time, Gerry Studds (D) had an affair with a male page and was censured, turned his back on the House when the censure was read, then welcomed back into the fold — to the point where the Democratic leadership appointed him chairman of a committee.
Prior to Bill Clinton, a president engaging in sexual relations with a 22-year-old subordinate in the Oval Office — and then lying about it under oath — would have been grounds for resignation or removal from office. But Clintons survived that scandal and left office still holding remarkable popularity.
A clergyman fathering an illegitimate child on a member of his staff, the using his organization to pay her to keep silent? That’s the stuff of bad drama — or a slice of the life story of the Reverend Jesse Jackson. Compared to that, Jimmy Swaggart’s dallying with a prostitute seems pretty minor, and Jim Bakker’s rather comparable. Those two self-styled men of God became pariahs; Jackson remains a figure of much renown and influence.
Clinton and Jackson were, ironically, instrumental in the attempted reformation of former Congressman Mel Reynolds (D-IL), who was convicted of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and various and sundry financial misdoings. Clinton, as one of his last acts, commuted Reynolds’ sentence and Jackson hired him as an advisor for his Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, leading to the rather remarkable circumstance of “an ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate.”
Given my druthers, I think I prefer conservative scandals. They tend to leave the offender a bit more thoroughly chastised, and seem better at setting precedent for acceptable conduct.
7) While there was potential for Democrats to make some hay out of the whole mess, they — to use a phrase most often applied to the Palestinians — “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” They fell victim to their historical error and are overplaying their hand, as so well noted by Dafydd ab Hugh.
In the end, though, I think the main consequence of the Foley mess will be a general suspicion of members of Congress in general, but not much on people’s individual represenatives and senators specifically — and they are the only ones who decide if they will be returned to Washington or sent packing.
And as for Foley himself: he is in rehab for his “alcoholism” and, after, will no doubt seek counseling for his “sex addiction” and “abuse by a clergy member.” (A local talk show opened the lines for suggestions for Foley’s next excuse, noting that he seems to be going right down the list of standards. My favorite: Post-partum depression.) But even if he is never charged criminally, he will always be a pariah and the butt (sorry) of jokes and a cheap punchline — and that is the very least he deserves.
I vote that we move on from all this and let the chips fall where they may.
Hugh knows that an ongoing focus on this will bag many democrats.
Jo:
You are a friggin idiot. Let the chips fall where they may. Duh. jesus you’re stupid. Can’t see beyond you’re friggin wingnut loonie glasses.
Jo:
You are a friggin idiot. Let the chips fall where they may. Duh. jesus you’re stupid. Can’t see beyond you’re friggin wingnut loonie glasses.
Hugh, My advice is that Democrats give Republicans as much rope as they want. Keep the dialog going on this, and let the Republicans continue their currrent course. They are losing more ground with each lie and smear, and since that’s all they know how to do, they aren’t going to stop unless we turn down the heat.
I say DO NOT turn down the heat. The Republicans have attempted to turn the tables and push this back onto the Democrats. Let them push. Let them make all the noise they want. It keeps the story in the headlines and on tehminds of Americans, and there are enough thinking, responsible parents out there that realize what the Republicans are doing that the Republicans will only lose more votes with this course.
Let them.
Lee:
It is time for your nap. Take your milk and cookies like a good little boy.
Prior to Bill Clinton, a president engaging in sexual relations with a 22-year-old subordinate in the Oval Office — and then lying about it under oath — would have been grounds for resignation or removal from office.
Gimme a break. Before Clinton, presidents had affairs left and right, and no one gave a damn. Nowadays, you guys want to bring charges for it. (Yes, Clinton purjured, but for charges that should never have been brought in the first place.)
“Sex has been part of politics forever. The private affairs of past presidents including Dwight Eisenhower and Franklin Roosevelt are now a matter of public record. Yet it is not the behavior itself, but the public’s interest in it, along with standards of propriety and morality, that have changed.”
“In those days, however, there was a sort of an understanding in the press that a responsible, conscientious journalist would not write about anybody’s private life.”
“In 2003, historian Robert Dallek’s scholarly, substantive biography of John Kennedy, An Unfinished Life, made headlines with its revelation that Kennedy had had a secret affair with a young White house intern. Though the information occupied just two lines of an 838-page book, it exploded in the media.”
“Yet Dallek regarded the intern’s significance as small, in the overall picture. ‘There are much bigger, more important issues…. Nuclear weapons, relations with the Soviet Union, Vietnam, Cuba. These are the big issues, and the intern thing is sort of a footnote to history.'”
Source
So don’t pretend for a second that Clinton was worse than anyone else, or that he broke some new ground. He did what they’ve all done. It’s you guys who have changed.
I say DO NOT turn down the heat.
I agree with Lee. Keep the debate ongoing. Let the public see just how shallow the Democrats really are with this issue.
North Korea testing nukes, the Iraq war ongoing, the Iranians refusing to stop their nuke programs, etc, etc. I’m sure cybersex by Foley is foremost on the American people’s minds.
Geez! What an idiot.
Nice to be the only one mentioned in your piece there, Jay.
BUT…what I meant was that if Foley was not charged with a crime for the emails, how can knowing about the email be a crime?
The Armitage and Libby is a whole different situation and doesn’t apply. Libby perjuered himself under testimony. See the difference?
Oh yeah, almost forgot.
If N. Korea sets off a nuke this weekend without killing themselves in the process (highly probable), the Presidents numbers, and the Republicans go way up.
Does any sane individual think this country will turn national security over the the leftist moonbats?
Only for Republican congressmen, though Democrats will be able to go on boinking subordinates with impunity, as the MSM will continue to run interference for them.
The Republican lies about Iraq, and the failure of this administration in Iraq, are well-known. One need only look at the polls for American’s opinions on that issue, Luke. And more lies are being revealed in the headlines daily.
The Republicans’ failed (disastrous) foreign policy debacles are also well-known – and the fact that Bush is a non-player with respect to Iran and N. Korea speaks volumes all on its own. The big-bad Texas cowboy has to sit this one out, and let the EU and the U.N. handle the matter. It’s a nice, public spanking fo President Bush that all Americans should be proud of (not!).
Those issues aren’t going to go away before election day – and neither will the failures of the Republican leadership with respect to Foley, if I can help it.
I’m glad you agree – let’s keep the discussion going.
Looks like OregonMuse is in favor of Republican Congressman practicing pedophilia – because the Democrats are boinking subordinates?
Tell the parents of the Congressional pages that line of reasoning, OM,and see what kind of reaction you get.
Lee, I offer proof that you are a complete idiot. By fact, and your own words. You said Bush failed in Iraq. Who was Presidemt in Iraq in 1998 when Clinton signed the declaration for toppling the Government of Iraq. My question to you is. Is Saddam disarmed or not? Take your time. That was the purpose of Iraqi Freedom. I saw Saddam in the docket on TV last week. He looked disarmed. Like I said, Lee, you are a fool.
Vagabond: “BUT…what I meant was that if Foley was not charged with a crime for the emails, how can knowing about the email be a crime?”
Hastert knew more about this than just the emails, and he knew it three years ago and sat on it.
The aide is a Republican. Are you nutcakes going to accuse him of being a Democratic operative also? lol!
This was FOLEY’S CHIEF OF STAFF, who obviously knew what Foley was up to THREE YEARS AGO, and who told Hastert THREE YEARS AGO what was going on….
Yes Lee, and Hastert told him to stop sending e-mails. The pages parents did not wish to pursue the matter. What part of there was nothing there do you not understand. Or are you using your fabulous 20/20 hindsight again? You are nothing but a liar. STFU.
(Yes, Clinton purjured, but for charges that should never have been brought in the first place.)
So, from now on, all sexual harassment cases should be thrown out of court?
That’s what your statement implies.
Hey Lee, I suggest (honestly) that they line EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of Congress up, both houses, and them ALL answer these questions under oath:
Senator/CongressPerson, for the purposes of this questioning the word “SEX” is intended to include Oral Sex, Non-Physical Sex (phone, internet, IM) and touching of ANY kind.
1. have you ever had sex with anyone who was under the age of 18?
2. have you ever made advances of any sexual kind towards anyone who was under the age of 18?
3. have you ever knowingly harbored anyone who was engaged in any illicit sexual conduct or enterprise?
etc. Then have the FBI seize the PCs and phone records of EVERY SINGLE one and prosecute every one who was lying.
I would be any amount of money we’d frog-march more Dimocrats out of Congress than Republicans. Though there would certainly be a lonnnnng line of frog-marchers!!
Hugh you are the idiot. And reading Lee’s post is like watching comedy.
Meanwhile, why won’t Pelosi take a polygraph?
I love reminding everyone how Clinton was doing far more lurid things with an intern just a few years older. I love how we’re bringing up Gerry Studds and Barney Frank again. The more of this the better.
Jo:
I’ll tell you what. I’ll try and get her to take one right after the republican leadership of the house does. How does that sound? Ach, you probably want Bill Clinton to take one to don’t ya?
See my previous description of you.
What ever happened to that Bush bounce? This is not good news for Republicans:
Only 38% of respondents in the TIME poll now support President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq, down from 42% three months ago
54% believe he “deliberately misled” Americans in making his case for war
Bush’s overall approval rating, according to TIME’s poll, now stands at just 36%,
Even before the Foley scandal, the portion of white evangelicals with a “favorable” impression of the Republican Party had fallen sharply this year, from 63 percent to 54 percent, according to Pew polls.
Christian leaders are warning one another that their teenagers are abandoning the faith in droves….if current trends continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be “Bible-believing Christians” as adults.
WASHINGTON — House Republican candidates will suffer massive losses if House Speaker Dennis Hastert remains speaker until Election Day, according to internal polling data from a prominent GOP pollster, FOX News has learned.
Will any Democrat deny that if Foley were a Democrat he would still be in Congress and probably re-elected next month?
“The Republican lies about Iraq, and the failure of this administration in Iraq, are well-known. One need only look at the polls for American’s opinions on that issue, Luke. And more lies are being revealed in the headlines daily.” -Lee
Right, because Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il base everything they do on American polls. That’s the kind of thought we need to utilize when making decisions for our country!!
Wonder why old “pucker puss” (lee lee) goes to the trouble of signing his post? I knew it was him after see only 1/2 of the 1st sentence. Broken record–over and over– an–ov a –o
Pucker Puss was for under-age gay scandals (Studds) before he was against them (Foley).
Isn’t that the way the Dems like to handle this issue, the one of hypocrisy they have to hurdle every day?
It’s kind of pathetic to see Lee and Barney get so excited over something so insignificant. When your party has very little philosophical/intellectual credibility, what’s left?
Next thing you know, they’ll want an investigation into why the President’s dog died of “mysterious” causes recently.
Wasn’t his name Barney? Is this proof of the second coming (of a dog, that is)?
Proud Kaffir – I suspect the gross hypocrisy of the “Traditional Values” Republican platform was a factor in Foley’s hasty capitulation and resignation. Foley is a “greater disgrace” because of that hypocrisy, no doubt. A gay Democrat in that same position may have tried to hold on longer, and fight the matter. It’s impossibile to say, but I concede that there is a possibility of that happening. I do not buy into the suggestion that they would have been re-elected.
I also think that all of these comparisons to Democratic sex scandals of the past just don’t hold water. Those scandals have had a cumulative effect on America’s views on these matters — in fact the relentless pursuit of Bill Clinton by the Republicans 8 years ago has probably contributed to the “hair trigger” we now see on sex-related Washington scandals. The nation has “gown wiser” with respect to what is acceptable or not in public office.
Foley has resigned, and may be criminally prosecuted. The matter that’s still boiling is the coverup and denial by Hastert. What did he know, and when did he know it?
He knew of major problems three years ago is the short answer. Suggesting that if a Democrat did something similar it would be a differnt story, or pointing to Bill Clinton and making it his fault, are really just attempts to duck the elephant standing in the living room — deal with the elephant.
As I’ve said before I honestly think Republicans should own this problem, solve it, and move on — and that you are only hurting your party by pushing this off on the Democrats. Hastert’s resignation would not stop the ethics committee investigation, but it would make the outcome of that investigation much less interesting, and less newsworthy. He took the first step yesterday, by admitting it was his reponsibility. He now needs to do the right thing to get this off the headlines and minds of Americans, — if he’s smart, and resign.
But fight on if you must, oh brave Republicans. Good luck.
Hey “pucker” one word—–HILARIOUS!!!!!!
Since the activity by Foley has now been tracked back to 1997 (Slick Willie Years), prior to Hastert becoming speaker, could it be a case of ‘monkey see, monkey do’? There is something else nagging me about 1997, i’m trying to pull it up. Maybe it’ll come to me later. LMAO
As I’ve said before I honestly think Republicans should own this problem, solve it, and move on — and that you are only hurting your party by pushing this off on the Democrats. Hastert’s resignation would not stop the ethics committee investigation, but it would make the outcome of that investigation much less interesting, and less newsworthy. He took the first step yesterday, by admitting it was his reponsibility. He now needs to do the right thing to get this off the headlines and minds of Americans, — if he’s smart, and resign.
Funny. Tip O’Neill seemed oblivious to Gerry Studds diddling young boys for about a decade.
-=Mike
As big as Tip O’Neill was, he’s not the elephant the Republicans should be concerned with right now — but why don’t you contact the Republican leadership, MikeSC, and advise them that they shoud just ignore this whole matter “just the way tip O’Neill did”.
Do you need their email addresses?
Of course, emailing them and advising them to force Hastert out is a smarter move, but that’s your decision — and as a Democrat I’m perfectly ok with you not doing that.
Of course, emailing them and advising them to force Hastert out is a smarter move, but that’s your decision
Really Lee, is that what we should do? How nice of someone so blindly partisan to give such insightful, unsolicited advice. I’m sure the emails will be free flowing from everyone who reads that post.
Although, anyone who has read the bile you put forth on these comment threads knows that the opposite of what you suggest is the right thing to do.
The only reason this scandal will continue is because Democrats will constantly try to use it to tar all Republicans. Most sane people will see through this and this scandal will go by the way side as election day approaches.
But you go ahead with the advice, it is amusing to read.
papalovesmambo weighs in on foleygate:
i find myself in the uncomfortable situation of wondering if the gop can hold onto even one house of congress in the wake of foleygate. the charges of hypocrisy against the dems for their treatement of the stubbs case many moons ago rings hollow across the blogosphere. the “we didn’t know how bad it was” defense being brought out by hastert and company merely cements the vision of the gop as incompetent. blaming the messenger and trying to re-frame it as a hit job from the left will gain absolutely no traction. the scandal will as podheretz notes today in the post (ny not washington) depress gop turnout as they are hoisted on their own gay ppetard. the issue that helped them win in ’02 and ’04 will sink them in ’06 as the faithful puke their collective guts out that their party at the very least didn’t catch a wolf in the fold and at the worst allowed him to prey for political power (no the irony is not lost on me).
i don’t see any way out. i was never a believer in the promise of rove’s “october surprise” and thought it was being hyped by the other side in a brilliant strategy to minimize any effect it could have. if i tried to spin this the only thing i could come up with was that foley was a sacrificial lamb that was offered up in the knowledge that the investigation would yield far more democratic names. but even i don’t buy that one. nope, we need a miracle and i don’t think turd blossom’s got one. if they knew, and knowingly allowed him to stay in power, they deserve every bit of the fallout. i still hope that the inconceivable might happen and the gop might stay in power as i fear for the future of the country should the democrats be handed the reins (despite all of this i still trust the gop more in a time of war), but i am no longer the optimist that i was.
btw, i’m not actually blaming the glbt community for this catastrophe in any way shape or form. that was purely a sarcastic take on the situation and an opportunity for an entendre.
gee, how many folks around here would have had a few extra bucks in their pockets had they had more faith in their party?
-papalovesmambo
What I find odd is not one single liberal here or in other threads have demonstrated as much (or any, for that matter) loathing for all the past sex scandals brought up as they have shown for what just happens to be the last one in a long string of such scandals. Not a word to condemn them or even acknowledge it. That speaks volumes to me.
Ah, but this one is a Republican! Those damn hypocrites! Do not deny for an instant that Republicans are the only ones who speak of values. We hear enough too from Democrats about family values. It’s a universal thing and to hold one side responsible for what they say, as Lee has, without the other is absurd. The hypocrisy of your indignation gets pointed out with glaring spotlights and you guys are totally blind to it.
No one here is saying that Foley isn’t disgusting. They’re only saying that before you even know the facts, you want others hung from the rafters as well. More hypocrisy. Since you’re the ones always shouting how people are innocent until proven guilty. Even terrorists.
This was rich:
“…an ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate.”
Nice.
This was good too: Brian brings up four Presidents who have had affairs. Three were Democrats. lol!
Other then some sleazy emails and IMs and some nonsexual meetings, can anyone tell me if Foley ACTUALLY assaulted anyone? I haven’t read or heard that he did.
So, what in the hell is the issue? Studdz can actually assault a page and that is OK. Foley sends some e-sleaze and you’d think he was caught with tens of thousands of bribe bucks in his freezer like a Louisiana Democrat!
Why are we letting the idiot moonbats control this?
Shut up and move on. Talk about something that actually is important.
VW
Proof positive that Osama and Saddam were not in cahoots.
If they were, the Bush Administration might have tried to stop Osama from attacking America.
Alas, they weren’t so the Bush Administration blew-off the warnings.
Don’t worry too much about it, nothing big came from OBL’s threat anyway.
Democrats are very good at pointing in the wrong direction. They have no platform. All we heard from them is “we have a plan”. Those of us who reached our majority a few years ago, know the democratic plan. Cut and run, rax and spend. Steal from the rich to buy votes from the poor. Nothing to solve poverty, because to solve poverty would eliminate their base of fooled voters. Someone needs to start a 12 step program for democrats called Idiots Anonymous. Lee and his cohorts here could be charter members.
Tax and spend. Darn those typos. By the way, isn’t Foley out of office and is not Jefferson still holding his seat? What double standard. Pelosi sould resign as Minority leader.
Can someone explain to me what else Speaker Hastert should investigate? Should he check and see if Barney Frank is boinking any more gay prostitues in his office? Should he look to see if any of the Kennedys are still getting intoxicated and driving – as if anyone needs to ask? MckInney is still in the House. Should he follow her around to ensure she doesn’t strike any more guards? If any of them fall off the wagon, should Hastert accept responsibility and resign? Should Pelosi?
Those who are stating that Hastert should resign are using a logical fallacy, a sort of ex-post facto non-evidence after the appearance of incriminating evidence. The too-friendly e-mails were not enough evidence to look at all of a Congressperson’s correspondence and had an innocent explanation. There was no crime or imppropriety alleged, just a discomfort by the recipient who didn’t want to pursue the matter. There was nothing to pursue unless an investigation in search of a crime was launched.
You need some plausible belief that improprieties were occurring and a few too-friendly e-mails did not rise to that standard, as noted by the FBI and 2 liberal newspapers with the samee info.
The former aide who claims he told Hastert’s office, a matter denied by said office, has a a lot of cotnradictions he has not cleared. He was both shocked by Foley’s behavior and has known about it for years. He was repulsed enough to report it to the GOP leadership but not repulsed enough to quit working for the man. It doesn’t add up. It seems to be CYA.
Although I think Hastert is an ineffective Speaker, I don’t see any reason why he should resign due to the misconduct of another person when incriminating evidence was not available to him. This is a political witchhunt by unscrupulous and hyporctical Democrats.
CNN: PAGE LAWYER DOES NOT RULE ‘IN OR OUT’ PRANK CLAIM… DEVELOPING… BLITZER: He will join us live in the next hour. What are you hearing, brian, about some of these internet suggesttions, some republicans suggesting this whole thing is a prank, a hoax and there is no there, there.
TODD: We asked him about that item in the report. He said very clearly he cannot rule that in, he cannot rule that out. He says he is not saying it was not a prank but later in the interview, cnn pressed him on that. He said that he — he does not read the drudge report not part of his regular reading and, quote, it sounds like a piece of fiction…
BLITZER: He says the drudge report item sounds like a piece of fiction?
TODD: He did say that, but important to note he says he is not ruling it in or out.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – An aide to top White House political adviser Karl Rove resigned in the fallout over a congressional report showing many White House contacts with ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, a spokeswoman said on Friday.
If we even needed to point-out more corruption by the Republican party. Let’s put this one in our back pocket until after Hastert resigns.
Hey Barney,
Can you tell me why Jefferson hasn’t resigned and why Pelosi hasn’t investigated him amd taken responsibility for him?
VW
This was good too: Brian brings up four Presidents who have had affairs. Three were Democrats. lol!
Yes, because I didn’t think anyone would be so immature as to overlook the non-partisan nature of the history, and be giddy that my example had one more Democrat than Republican. My mistake.
Hey Barney FrankG2000- Can You explain to us why Pelosi and reid And all the other Democrat hypocrites have not resigned following Clintons numerous phillandering rape-a-thons or the Studds molestation or Jefferson or any other of a 100 corrupt Dem scandals??
Did not think so..
Can someone tell me why Rove has not resigned?
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – An aide to top White House political adviser Karl Rove resigned on Friday in the fallout over a congressional report showing many White House contacts with ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the aide, Susan Ralston, submitted her resignation after recognizing that “a protracted discussion of these matters would be a distraction to the White House.”
Ralston chose to step down and “we support her decision and consider the matter closed,” Perino said.”
ya know,; belive it or not some of us out hear have followed Tom(cut-n-run)Delay and the Abramhoff thing for awhile…don’t forget ABBY addressed the Republican National Convention as National President of the Young College Republicans…
By the way how is that Bush/Cheney/Republican Senate/House doing on that Iraq thing?
At what point in time wil some of the regulars here admit that maybe..just maybe our current situation is not the fault of Clinton or a biased Press?
Nogo,
I’ll explain Rove if you can explain Jefferson. Also, please explain why Pelosi hasn’t demanded he resign. Perhaps she is in on the take? Please, why do corrupt Democrats keep collecting a paycheck. We know Pelosi knows about him.
With Rove, if you have evidence that he is guilty of something, perhaps you need to share it with the FBI.
VW
Mentioning Clinton is just to point out the glaring hypocrisy nogo postal..
Its just about sex remember?
At least Foley had the sense to resign..
Lee, are you even living on this planet? You are seriously deluding yourself if you honestly people are going to vote for the donkeys over this issue. An issue where you democrats are now the gay-bashing “outers”. How clever of you.
Most polls and people don’t trust you on national security. And why would they? You’re the heirs of that great national defense expert, Jimmy Carter. Why in the world would anyone trust you lefties anymore?
Boo Hoo, family value republicans wonder why they don’t get a break when they are caught soliciting a minor and stealing money and selling your vote to the highest paying lobbyist? Hint, go back and read the contract with America!!
You Repubs brought this bitch-slapping upon yourselves.
As George Will wrote yesterday…
“The problem with (Republicans) claiming to have cornered the market on virtue is that people will get snippy when they spot vice in your ranks”
And, I have to be honest, watching you all squirm, defend and prevaricate is hilarious.