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Round 2 To Cheney

Put it in the books, while Edwards was not horrible, Cheney mopped the floor with him.

Jim Geraghty puts it best:

My initial conclusion: This was the single most devastating one-sided drubbing since Lloyd Bentsen smacked Dan Quayle all around the stage in 1988.
The farther you get from it, the clearer it will become - just like Kerry's win in the first debate...

Not convinced?

Panic mode...

Elsewhere: Allah is rounding up reactions.

Update: Isn't it ironic that Tom Brokaw, he of the quote, "What I think is highly inappropriate is what is going on across the Internet, a kind of political jihad ... that is quite outrageous." had those same political jihadists (in the person of Wonkette's Ana Marie Cox and Powerline's John Hinderaker) on at the end of NBC's debate coverage?


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Comments (20)

ABC News' instapoll has it ... (Below threshold)

ABC News' instapoll has it Cheney: 43% - Edwards 35% (FWIW - which isn't all that much).

Nevertheless, a quick persual of the online polls shows that McAuliffe's minions are out in force again, cranking out votes for Edwards.

ABC News' Poll Shows 43 Per... (Below threshold)

ABC News' Poll Shows 43 Percent Think Vice President Cheney Won Debate, Only 35 Percent Think Edwards Won. (ABC's "Special Coverage," 10/5/04 )

NBC's Tom Brokaw: "Dick Cheney Reminded Me Of George Foreman, Kind Of A Slow Gait, But A Powerful Right-Hand When He Unleashed It In A Number Of Areas As He Went After The Kerry-Edwards Ticket." (NBC's "Special Coverage," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Ron Reagan: "This Time, I Think The Chattering Classes, And I Include All Of Us Among Them, Will Come Out On The Side Of There Was A Stature Gap There, And It Was To Cheney's Advantage." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Chris Matthews Calls The Debate Between Vice President Cheney The "Howitzer" And Senator John Edwards The "Water Pistol." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/05/04 )

MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell: "I Think Dick Cheney Did Awfully Well, At, First Of All, Putting John Edwards In His Place. Saying That I Have Been Presiding Over The Senate, And I Didn't Meet You Until Tonight. Talking About His Not Having Been On The Job Was Pretty Devastating." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "I Tell You, Tonight, No Doubt About It, Edwards Got Obliterated By Dick Cheney. This Is The Most Surprising Part. This Debate Actually Turned In Cheney's Direction When They Started Talking About Domestic Issues. I Thought Cheney Handled The Foreign Policy Issues Very Well." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )

Cheny clearly won this deba... (Below threshold)
kerry lied:

Cheny clearly won this debate. I was really struck with the point that when kerry/edwards says 90% of the deaths. This does not include Iraqi's. Are they not Human what are they Non People. I think this is a racist line. they do not count as people because they are Not white people Kerry/edwards should be ashamed

Except for the fact that Di... (Below threshold)
Except He Lied:

Except for the fact that Dick told a bald faced lie that even the stupidest person can grasp. So far the stupidest people amongst have not grasped the obvious lies about Iraq, but this one they will understand.

And righties are latching onto Bentsen of all people? Pathetic. Go sit in a dark room and weep.

Jim Geraghty puts it bes... (Below threshold)

Jim Geraghty puts it best:

My initial conclusion: This was the single most devastating one-sided drubbing since Lloyd Bentsen smacked Dan Quayle all around the stage in 1988.

Err, and who won that presidential election? anyone?

VP Cheney stuffed Sen. Edwa... (Below threshold)

VP Cheney stuffed Sen. Edwards on foreign policy. Re the "Global Test" this only shows that Sen. Kerry and Sen. Edwards are clueless about the War On Terror!

See my post at Roger L. Simon's site:


Global test my foot!!!


The L.A.M.E. (Liberal American Media Establishment) has failed in its jounalistic responsibility to objectively inform the American people on a number of stories. Rathergate is just the tip of the iceberg.

With whom will Sen. Kerry seek counsel?

The UN is nothing more than a sham nowadays. They can pass resolution after resolution until the cows come home. The genocide in Sudan is still taking place by the Islamofascists who pay no heed to these missives.


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My favorite moment was Brok... (Below threshold)

My favorite moment was Brokaw trying to say "blogger."

I liked where Cheney said: ... (Below threshold)

I liked where Cheney said: Luke, I am your faaather. And Edwards went: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Actually, it reminded me of the last minute of a Popeye cartoon, where Popeye eats his spinach and cleans up the floor with Blutto.

It was a predictable draw. ... (Below threshold)

It was a predictable draw. Cheney on Iraq and foreign policy and Edwards on domestic (for the most part).

Slight edge to Cheney. Good work bitchin' him on attendance too.


Cheney gaffe: he directed v... (Below threshold)

Cheney gaffe: he directed viewers to UPenn's factcheck.com to get the "specific details with respect to Halliburton".

UPenn, however, is factcheck.org.

factcheck.com? Well, I don't want to spoil it for you.

Regarding Cheney meeting Ed... (Below threshold)

Regarding Cheney meeting Edwards, obviously, there is some nuance there. When he says "met", he means something more than a passing handshake, and a hello. Obviously the left cannot understand the nuance of the right wing intellectuals. /liberal mode

Not to worry, I'm sure Kerry is still winning on the number of lies told in a debate, he can catch up in the next two debates.

Creating some noise to cover the fact the Edwards let slip that they aren't counting Iraqi as people.

I'm sure Kerry will be bitch-slapping Edwards' remains all night over that one.

Pre-debate spin <br ... (Below threshold)

Pre-debate spin
The Enquirer Cincinnati

Hot air

"My wife and I are an undecided voters in Florida. My parents are undecided and live in Ohio. My brother and his wife are undecided and live in Pennsylvania.

That is, we all were undecided until we saw the Edwards-Cheney debate this evening. After watching Edwards dismantle Cheney, we have all decided to vote for Kerry-Edwards en masse. And not just the family members I just mentioned; all of my neighbors happened to be undecided and they all told me after the debate that they are going to vote for Kerry-Edwards as well. My family members in Ohio and Pennsylvania report the same thing. In other words, I can say with great confidence that, as a result of the Edwards demolition of Cheney this evening, approximately 600 formerly undecided voters have decided to vote for Kerry-Edwards.

All because Edwards did such a good job tonight."


The most interesting thing about the opinion stated above is that it popped into the Enquirer's e-mail Letters to the Editor file at 4:58 p.m. Tuesday, more that four hours before the debate between Vice President Dick Cheney and his Democratic challenger, Sen. John Edwards, was scheduled to begin. And it wasn't the only one we got. As hot air goes, this rivals Mount St. Helens.

Both sides started pre-debate spin early Tuesday. Republican campaign leaders asked for help in defeating the "Kerry spin machine." Democratic campaign leaders pushed for an "online coup d'etat," that would swamp blog sites, online polls and letters to the editor pages with support for Edwards over Cheney. Some people obviously got off to a fast start.

"It is important that we double our efforts from the last debate, because the Republicans are now copying our strategy," Democratic National Chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a letter to supporters.

"If we plan to win the election, we must fight back against their spin and make sure our friends and neighbors get the truth," said Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman in his call for counter spin.

The candidate debates have become an important part of the presidential campaign. They give voters the chance to see the candidates side-by-side and to match them up on the issues word-for-word. They spur supporters on to greater efforts, help sway the undecided and may even change a few minds. They also generate plenty of reader comment to these pages. But please, don't tell us how impressed you were with what the candidates said until after they have said it.

They are real smart aren't they?



The left wing rags are stuf... (Below threshold) Nah. Let them stuff online ... (Below threshold)

Nah. Let them stuff online polls all they wish. Says far more about them than they realize.

Without doubt this was one of the single most lopsided debates of this sort I have ever witnessed. I suppose the Bentsen Quayle debate is a good analogy (I voted for Bentsen every election for years BTW, good old fashioned Sam Nunn Democrat).

Its a good analogy in that in both debates you had a sober, experienced, knowledgable political leader mopping the floor with a young pretty-boy lightweight.

I thought that the Veep's a... (Below threshold)

I thought that the Veep's accounting methods were interesting. For sake of arguement, forget about whether the coalition now includes the Iraqis for the sake of computing casualty rates, you can argue both sides.

But the $80 billion in reduced and forgiven debts, doesn't contribute a whole lot to paying for the war. You can't put a whole lot of fuel in a Humvee or buy very many bullets with a reduced/forgiven debt. As for the other $14 billion, that's promised, not delivered.

“And Senator, frankly, you ... (Below threshold)

“And Senator, frankly, you have a record in the Senate that’s not very distinguished. You’ve missed 33 out of 36 meetings in the Judiciary Committee, almost 70 percent of the meetings of the Intelligence Committee.

“You’ve missed a lot of key votes: on tax policy, on energy, on Medicare reform.

“Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you “Senator Gone.” You’ve got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate.


Round 2 to Cheney? I don't... (Below threshold)

Round 2 to Cheney? I don't see how when even Fox News is calling the debate a draw.

Nice try, though.

I believe my favorite was m... (Below threshold)

I believe my favorite was mementomoron: SMACKDOWN!!! Then he went on to Say that Cheney said............blah, blah, vp, vp of the Senate, blah, blah, and this is the first time I have ever met you."

Definitely a smackdown. If I can find the link, Ill be back.


well it wasn't memento moro... (Below threshold)

well it wasn't memento moron, so have no idea who said that but it was great!!

Sorry, Brian


Found it! <a href="http://... (Below threshold)

Found it! http://mhking.mu.nu/

under topic ...oh oh.. that's gonna hurt.

MH King


Best review I've seen. Mine is still on tape.






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