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John Kerry Needs To Study Harder

Maybe John Kerry should have done his homework and remembered the study Tucker Carlson wrote about back in 2005.

You often hear people compare the war in Iraq to the war in Vietnam, but here's one key difference: Nobody's calling veterans of the current war baby killers. Even the most strident opponents of Iraq go out of their way to praise the soldiers who've served there. Everyone is for the troops. It's required.

Why the change in attitude? Two words: pity and guilt. Everyone knows America's wars are fought by America's poor, people with so few career options that serving in combat qualifies as a lucky break. We feel sorry for the troops because we know desperation drove them into the military. We feel guilty because they are doing what we, the more fortunate, don't have to do.

It turns out we're wrong on both counts. A new and comprehensive study of enlistment data by military analysts at the Heritage Foundation has found that the typical volunteer is both more affluent and better educated than the average 18 to 24-year-old American. That's right: The average soldier is more privileged than his civilian counterpart. And the gap is widening. As the study puts it, since September 11th, "more volunteers have emerged from the middle and upper classes and fewer from the lowest-income groups. ... Since 2001, enlistments have increased in the top two-fifths of income levels but have decreased among the lowest fifth."

But wait. Aren't poor minorities "disproportionately" represented in the enlisted ranks and the military? That's the claim Congressman Charlie Rangel and others have made repeatedly on the House floor. It's a total crock. According to a 2003 Pentagon study, "blacks tend to be concentrated in administration and support jobs, not in combat jobs." Infantry, armored and artillery units, whose members suffer the bulk of casualties in Iraq and any war, tend to mirror the racial mix of the country almost exactly.

So if enlistees aren't driven to the military by poverty and hopelessness, why do they join? For the adventure, maybe. Possibly for the experience. Maybe even because they believe in the cause.

Hard as it may be for the average congressman or newspaper columnist to believe, American soldiers aren't losers. They're adults who know exactly what they're doing and are doing it voluntarily. Pity their suffering perhaps, but don't patronize them.

Maybe Kerry doesn't read conservatives like Tucker Carlson. (Carlson has been a fierce opponent of the Iraq War, but I think he is still considered a conservative.) I'll bet Kerry reads the Washington Post though.

But Kerry said he just misspoke. Why should all Democrats be held accountable for something John Kerry said?

Okay, we will forget about Kerry for a minute and just take a look at what some other Democrat politicians and liberals have said on the subject. The first one that came to mind was actor Richard Belzer's comment about those "19 and 20-year-old kids that couldn't get a job." Belzer said he knew much more about the war than them because they weren't reading 20 newspapers a day like he was.

Along those same lines, when I heard Kerry's comment I also recalled the way the liberal media treated the story of Jessica Lynch. Early in the Iraq war when the rescue of Lynch became a big story, most in the media went out of their way to include in their stories at least a few lines about how Lynch didn't really want to be a soldier, but wanted to be a teacher. They said she was forced into the armed forces by poor economic conditions.

Charles Rangel has furthered the stereotype by making comments about only the poor serving. He even pushed for a draft in an effort to make the evil rich serve, too.

Some liberals, like Joel Stein, feel sorry for these poor uneducated troops who were so easy to trick, "I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel."

As I said an earlier post, comments like these are enough to leave you speechless.


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Comments (58)

<a href="http://www.ekn.net... (Below threshold)



Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when he's near!

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!

Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when he's near!

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!

I'm sorry, but my previous ... (Below threshold)

I'm sorry, but my previous post is ALL i can think of.

If someone could put pictures of Kerry with the words to the old "Flipper" TV show, it would be hilarious!!

When you get to the words, "faster than lightning" can't you just picture Kerry in fast forward??? LOL

And the words are SO TRUE! NO ONE is smarter than Kerry. If you don't believe me, just ask him!

And of course Mother Sheeha... (Below threshold)

And of course Mother Sheehan has always maintained that her son was tricked into enlisting.

as a disabled vet..I am fre... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

as a disabled vet..I am freakin tired of non-vets bashing vets..Lori..in what branch of service did you serve our country?
* VP Dick Cheney - several deferments, by marriage and timely fatherhood.

* Karl Rove, occasional Deputy Chief of Staffand alleged full time smear artist, escaped the draft and did not serve

* Secretary of State and former NSA Condaleeza Rice - did not serve

* Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.

* Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - did not serve.

* Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - did not serve.

* Rush Limbaugh - did not serve

* Sean Hannity - did not serve

* Ann Coulter - did not serve

* Bill O'Reilly - did not serve

When you bash Kerry for his service you bash more than him..it is like when those senseless idiots wore those purple heart bandaids during the Republican convention..their intent may have been to mock Kerry but they mocked those who served and received one...If vets bash Kerry..I may disagree but at least they have the right..for the rest of you..join up or shut up...

"Join up or shut up."</i... (Below threshold)

"Join up or shut up."

And right on time, there's nogo with the chickenhawk argument. Funny how that whole "if you didn't serve, you have no right to criticize" never applied when the Syphilitic Hillbilly infested the Oval Office.

Tell you what, nogo - next time you want some lettuce in the supermarket, you should take the first one you grab rather than pick through a few heads until you find one that meets your demanding tastes. After all, if you didn't pick lettuce, you have no right to say one head is better than another, do you?

Pick it or shut it. Asshat.

nogo postal,As a R... (Below threshold)
U.P. Man:

nogo postal,

As a Retired Vet, I am sick and tired of Democrats, and Democrat Veterans saying that if you haven't served shut up.

I'm sorry I joined and stayed to protect those freedoms. Didn't you?

Nobody is bashing Kerry for his service just the stupidity that runs from his mouth.

Which isn't to the level of your stupidity.

nogo, you appear to be putt... (Below threshold)

nogo, you appear to be putting EVERY Republican in the same basket - 'they never serve'. Luckily, those you mention have done MORE for this country than the harm done by all the liberals that have bashed our troops.

Kerry didn't serve our country either when he sat in Washington D.C. and bashed our troops and our great country.

He's a pathetic scum of a worm that deserves everything he gets.

...and he's a 'flipper'.... ROFLLLLLLLL

The part of this article <a... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

The part of this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/31/AR2006103100621.html
thats stands out is how more money is needed to transport the bodies of those who made the ultimate sacrifice...How many deaths are acceptable?
I support a lottery draft for all men and woman between 18 and 35. We need more troops.

Since the only focus of the... (Below threshold)

Since the only focus of the right for the past few days has been on Kerry's idiotic statement( I personally hope it is the final nail in his political coffin) it has gotten me to look at what the right talks about on this and other blogs.

The conclusion is you nothing to talk about. Nothing that brings any meaning or substance to the issues in this election. So you do what your puppet masters have taught you well over the past 6 years to do. You obfuscate, you change the subject, you accuse, you svream "hypocrite" and of course you smear. As I was thinking about this I remembered Tennyson's poem, T"he Charge of the Light Brigade" so I went back and read it. The first three stanzas tell your story as it is today so I thought I'd share it with you.

Half a league, half a league,
 Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
 Someone had blunder'd:
Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
 Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
 Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,

Nogo,Thanks for se... (Below threshold)


Thanks for serving and all, but the "because you're not X, you can't Y and Z" argument is a crock of shit. Besides, if identity is all you're going for, you can look up: you're more than just "a veteran". You're quickly becoming on par with Hugh, Lee, and muirego as one of the densest shills for the far left on this blog. So you got that going for you.

I am not placing every Repu... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

I am not placing every Republican...I simply pointed out that the leadership making military choices are removed from the reality of those choices,,,all I am saying is if Iraq is worth the sacrifice..where are those willing to make it?..there is a little difference between choosing lettice and serving our country..(p[icking lettice is so much easier)

Of course those who never served have the right to be critical of those of us who did...just understand that your comments effect a broader range..again I ask how many of you have had a conversation with someone who served in Iraq?

Please give me a min. to pr... (Below threshold)

Please give me a min. to process this . . .

Study and work hard -- you do well

Don't study -- you become President, but not a great one.

Drop out of school -- you become a fat, misleading documentary producer (but rich).

Aw come on Tony if you're g... (Below threshold)

Aw come on Tony if you're going to accuse us of being stupid at least use correct english. Golly. There is no such word as "denest" unless you suffer from deneness (that would be you).

Nogo,If you read my ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

If you read my post you know that I only "served" if you count being a Marine Corps wife for anything, but let me take you up on your proposal. I have written on this subject many, many times over the past couple of years, usually in response to "chickenhawk talk" but since many here aren't familiar with what I have said previously I will say it again.

Let's go with your proposal that no one who hasn't served should be able to criticize Kerry. Unless you think that those in the National Guard are not "real" members of the military, then to follow your model no one would be able to criticize President Bush either. I have said before that to follow that line of thinking we really should only allow those in the military to vote for Commander in Chief. If that were the case, I don't know if we would ever see a Democrat as President again. Sounds like a good plan to me Nogo.

ooops.....typos...."densest... (Below threshold)

ooops.....typos...."densest" and "denseness"

Nogo, you have a large list... (Below threshold)
LCDR MacKay:

Nogo, you have a large list of conservatives that have not served, but where is the liberal list. Pres. Clinton-Did not serve
Hillary Clinton-Did not serve
Chuch Schumer-Did not serve
Ted Kennedy-Did not serve
Nancy Pelosi-Did not serve
Harry Reid-Did not serve
David Letterman-Did not serve
Micheal Moore-Did not serve
Ah, Zell Miller served but we know how the dems treated him.
I know, Harkin served but told tall tales of his importance in the war effort (ferry pilot vs combat pilot!).
Of course, Kerry served or at least drew a pay check. Still waiting on Form 180 to see if he was still on active duty while negotiating with the North Viet.
Carter served and as far as I know, did a fine job as a Naval Officer. As President, not so much.

I, for one, believe that no... (Below threshold)

I, for one, believe that nogo's brilliant and compelling "chickenhawk" argument should be made official United States policy, encapsulated in a Constitutional Amendment which states:

"All decisions surrounding war and peace in any governmental context may only be voted upon - whether in Congress or the public at large - by persons who have served on active duty in some branch of the United States military."

Of course, this would mean that American policy would become more hawkish and right-wing, not less, but we must credit nogo and his comrades with the ultimate logic of their carefully-formed position.


I have had several conversa... (Below threshold)
U.P. Man:

I have had several conversations. With those that have served in Iraq. Gone there and come back and volunteered to go again.

So what is your point? You know people that went?

I can't believe I'm about t... (Below threshold)

I can't believe I'm about to support you righties.

Of course anyone has the right to crticize no matter what the backgound. Jesus that is what this country is all about.

One can surely argue the "merits' of the other sides argument based on things like experience, but never the right to do so.

Gulp, I must need coffee. I just supported you guys. Oh my.

"So if enlistees aren't ... (Below threshold)

"So if enlistees aren't driven to the military by poverty and hopelessness, why do they join?"

In an earlier post on the Kerry debacle Muirgeo pointed to an article by Krieger and clipped this statement from the article:

"....newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war"

However, he linked to page three of the article and that quote was on page one. The interesting thing is that the last five paragraphs on page three reflect the many reasons that our young people sign up. And it isn't because of desperation. Do some join because they feel it's their only option? Of course, but it has always been thus. This is not a new revelation that Democrats can honestly seize upon for an argument.

Nogo,When has a Pres... (Below threshold)
LCDR MacKay:

When has a President NOT been removed from the reality of their choices??? Was Kennedy their at the Bay of Pigs? Was Kennedy/Nixon/etc their in Vietnam? Was Carter their in Iran? Was Reagan their in Syria/Greanada/Libya? Far as I know, they all lived in the Big White House, surrounded by bodyguards and still drawing a paycheck. Seriously, are you saying that those who make the call to go to war (which is the House, Senate and the White House)all have a military background???

Dammint, I meant "there" no... (Below threshold)
LCDR MacKay:

Dammint, I meant "there" not "their". Now I have unknowingly supported Kerry's educated remark!! Newman!

In response to the question... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

In response to the question if any of us have talked to those who served in Iraq, I have. For those who don't know anyone personally who is or has served in Iraq, read some of the excellent milblogs. One blogger I met personally recently, Josh Manchester, has an excellent blog and writes columns for Tech Central Station and elsewhere. I linked him in my Speechless post. There are tons of milbloggers out there who are doing excellent work and they can separate the imperfect from the inept. Blackfive is a great place to start and just follow the links from there.

Funny Jessica Lynch comes u... (Below threshold)

Funny Jessica Lynch comes up. Anyone remember who the author of a lot of the "she was so poor she had to join the military" stories that talked about her poor, rural roots? Remember Jayson Blair from the NYT (probably one of the papers beltzer reads for his "intelligence" enhancement. Remember how he faked the whole thing and was fired in disgrace?

Also, Hugh, funny you mention the Light Brigade...you do know they were British and not American right? It was the Crimean War. Oh, and they accomplished their objective of capturing the Russian guns and it wasn't the slaughter as portrayed by Tennyson. It's thought their causalities were around 20% (approximately 150 killed/wounded, records aren't as accurate from back then). Tennyson's version made good reading, but it was sorely lacking on the facts--then again that describes the general modus operandi of the Left as well so I can see why you favor it.

They were forced to retreat from their position because they had no support as was promised by the commander. Pretty much what the Democrats are repeatedly doing over and over again.

Faith:Pretty good ... (Below threshold)


Pretty good comeback. Of course I know the history of the war and the poem. I used the first 3 stanzas as a metaphor for the current state of your movement.

...now that we have discuss... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

...now that we have discussed someone who is not a candidate for the mid-terms...
Just wondering how many Republican candidates in your state have a picture of Bush on their official website? Check it out...Bush is the head of the Republican Party yet Republicans are distancing themselves(at least for now)...

As Kerry is not a candidate here in Colorado this situation is not a factor....As in the past Indy's will determine the State election..this time however we are moving away from Republicans whose main emphasis is on "social issues"

But be aware..Dems will call upsets a victory for them...they will be wrong...we Indy's will be watching them..

Nogo, Nogo, Nogo!Y... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

Nogo, Nogo, Nogo!

You, son, are too stupid to know when a politician is calling you ignorant for enlisting. I know plenty of servicemen including my father, a Marine, and I know plenty of Iraqis too. Do you know any Iraqis, Nogo? No? Well, based on you logic, you cannot talk to anyone ever about the war unless you get to know some Iraqis. Now drop and do 50!

I love it when liberals use... (Below threshold)

I love it when liberals use fellow liberal veterans as tools to criticize opponents who happen to be non veterans. SOmetimes they go so far as to even question the right of non veterans to have an opinion on the Iraq war. So do they advocate a system in which only the opinions and votes of actual veterans matter? If that came to be there would be far, far fewer liberals in office. Did these same tools of the left vote for decorated combat veterans Bush in 92 and Dole in 96 instead of the comfirmed draft dodger Clinton? Of course not.

And if those who serve in the military are as uneducated as liberals seem to believe, why would anyone pay heed to their opinions?

On the one hand, you have R... (Below threshold)

On the one hand, you have Republican politicians and leaders calling into question the patriotism of anyone who questions the Iraq War.

On the other hand, Richard Belzer, the actor and comedian, said something bad about Republicans.

You people are the biggest bunch of fakers in the world.

BTW, any of you want to explain College Republicans for me?
How can one be a Republican of college age and not be in Iraq fighting the war for civilization?

My answer: It's not a war for civilization. The President and his henchmen are faking you out yet again.
At least you have shown you're stupid enough to fall for it EVERY time. So you have that going for you.

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal a... (Below threshold)

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki demanded the removal of American checkpoints from the streets of Baghdad on Tuesday. The order was issued based on a request from Moktada al-Sadr. The checkpoint mission had two goals:

Capture a Sadr lieutenant.

Search for a missing GI

As Andrew Sullivan writes:
"The commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia."

What ever happened to "No man left behind"? Let's hear from the chicken hawks and republican veterans of this blog, which is worst, Kerry's blunder or Bush's abandonment?

Using liberial logic.......... (Below threshold)
Ziggy in JC:

Using liberial logic..........If you were not poor, you can't speak to or about the poor. There goes all the Libs talking points down the drain.

This is a serious question.... (Below threshold)

This is a serious question. Kerry was supposed to campaign in Minnesota today and then with Casey in PA. He is not there. What is Kerry doing today?

Kerry is in the locked Men'... (Below threshold)

Kerry is in the locked Men's room at a local restaurant. Democratic operatives have nailed the door shut, with instructions to not let the clown out until November 8th.

There are reports that Republican operatives have purchased a chainsaw and are headed for the restaurant.

Good point Ziggy...<p... (Below threshold)

Good point Ziggy...

And if SOMEONE has an answer to where Kerry is, I'd like to know. Maybe he's hiding in a pumpkin patch somewhere...

nogo postal:I'm a ... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

nogo postal:

I'm a VietNam vet whose been shit at and missed, and shot at and hit.

John Kerry's an ass hole!

Robert A. Heinlein wrote ab... (Below threshold)

Robert A. Heinlein wrote about a society where only military veterans were allowed to vote. It's called Starship Troopers and I highly recommend it. (Don't see the movie, it's entertaining but nothing like the book.)

I love this idea! I am totally with the left on this! Only military veterans can run for office or can vote.

There would never be another Democrat elected, anywhere. You know it, too.

I absolutely LOVE when some... (Below threshold)

I absolutely LOVE when some idiot trys to nitpick on someone's grammar and ends up only showing their own lack of it.

Hugh says, "Aw come on Tony if you're going to accuse us of being stupid at least use correct english. Golly. There is no such word as "denest" (unless you suffer from deneness (that would be you)." We won't pick on your typos as you told us what you meant, "ooops.....typos...."densest" and "denseness"

Why don't you try looking up "densest" and "denseness" hugh, here, I'll give you a link and make it easy for you:


Click the little speaker icon, the computer will even sound it out for those dense enough to not know the word.

We'll be awaiting your apology to Tony.

10 posts in a row on Wizban... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

10 posts in a row on Wizbang related to John Kerry (I'm counting Jay Tea's where he includes a disclaimer about Kerry before the rest of his post).

He misspoke, it was stupid, he was a crappy presidential candidate (I remember my friend and I saying that the 2004 election had to be the worst choices for president in the history of the country). But that's it. That's the story.

You're making more of this than the Foley scandal, and there was certainly more of a story to that. Is this really the most important thing that it's worthy of all your attention? If so, that's pretty pathetic and disappointing.

sean: I notice you're here... (Below threshold)

sean: I notice you're here to post an opinion too. Now go do whatever constructive thing you think it is we should be doing.

D-Hoggs:... (Below threshold)


From the Oxford Dictionary for you, aka Mr.Superior, the definition of:


• adjective 1 closely compacted in substance. 2 crowded closely together. 3 informal stupid.

-- DERIVATIVES densely adverb denseness noun.

-- ORIGIN Latin densus.

Soooo, he was usuing it as an adjective was he not
Mr Superior? And the adjective is dense. Like for example, a dense right winger (like Mr. Superior)

I'll await your apology.

No, only combat veterans ca... (Below threshold)

No, only combat veterans can vote. That would be so much better.

I am a veteran of the US Air Force. I was a techie..I had up close and personal experiences with Minuteman III and MX ICBMs..very cool..I am not however a combat veteran. There is a difference. Big difference. I didnt have to dine on MRE's. There was a Burger King on base only a mile from my shop. Ill never forget one mandatory formation when all us techies had to stand at attention to listen to some colonels lame ass attempt to pursuade us that we were warriors and it was out duty to live our lives as wrriors would. This paper Patton was serious about his speech too. WE could barely contain our laughter. Out in the middle of Wyoming where the greatest threat came from marauding tumble weed and the odd wandering cow. Calibrated wrenches and voltage meters were our weapons.

claiming to be a veteran doesnt overly impress me(dont get me wrong I am not unimpressed). Those who actually served in combat during wartime as well as those who served in combat units during peacetime..they are the guys and more recently gals who impress me.

hugh, you are correct, he m... (Below threshold)

hugh, you are correct, he most definitely was using it as an adjective. Where you are so strikingly wrong is that he is using the superlative form of the adjective. Dense, denser, densest.

"You're quickly becoming on par with Hugh, Lee, and muirego as one of the densest shills for the far left on this blog."

This is absolutely the correct usage of this word. "You're quickly becoming...one of the densest shills", densest, as in MOST DENSE. And Tony could not be more right, you are pretty damned dense hugh.


And hugh, instead of Mr. Su... (Below threshold)

And hugh, instead of Mr. Superior, you can address me as Mr. Superlative. Here is a lesson in superlative adjectives for you genius.


Mr Superior:You're... (Below threshold)

Mr Superior:

You're a lot of fun. Here, learn something then apologize.

Adjectives of german derivation use er and est for the superlative. Words of latin derivation use more and most for the superlative .Dense is from the latin densus.

Check it out. Research. Learn.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your apology.

This post was about the ass... (Below threshold)

This post was about the asshat Hanoi John, when did it turn into an English lesson? Study hard, do your homework and you can become the President of the United States, be a slacker and drunk and you can be an also ran like me.
Hanoi John may not have said what he wanted to say but he said exactly what he thinks.

His ego is still bruised from the fact that President Bush had higher scores in college and on the military entrance exams. His excuse, I got drunk the night before the entrance exams.

Shame on the state of Mass. for sending the scum of the earth to serve in the United States Senate. A murderer and a traitor, double screwup.

hugh are you REALLY this du... (Below threshold)

hugh are you REALLY this dumb?! Holy crap man. You haven't even looked up the word have you? Cause it clearly states the superlative of dense is densest, everywhere! I guess you are just too invested in your wrongness now that you must fight for it, reminds me of Kerry's reaction. Here is yet another dictionary entry on DENSEST.


How about an apology from B... (Below threshold)

How about an apology from Bush for this comment about bin Laden:

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.

That statement was an insult to the families of the 3,000 Americans who were murdered by bin Laden on 9/11 including my aunt and uncle who lost their son in the collapse of the South Tower. I've never heard Bush apologize for this. I'm waiting...

Just a trolling along with ... (Below threshold)

Just a trolling along with EGG on your face. YAHOO for pieces of crap like old "horseface", the bandaid man. Showed his "colors' again. Why has he not stepped down yet? Hmmmmm

I think John Kerry is an ar... (Below threshold)
Proud Kaffir:

I think John Kerry is an arrogant moron.

Is that an insult towards Kerry? Of course, it's not. I mistyped and accidentally left out some words. I meant to say that I think John Kerry is the one who should have won instead of an arrogant moron.

How could you right wing nutjobs assume I meant anything else when it is so obvious it was just a crass insult towards the President of the United States. How can you imply that I said what I said when I would never say such a thing, unless I leave out words to say something that doesn't make much sense but it's a joke and it doesn't need to make sense. You should all have known what I meant and never question me on it.

You have no right to criticize unless you are a veteran gigilo.

I love how the liberals try... (Below threshold)

I love how the liberals try to make the chickenhawk argument no matter what happens in the world. Funny how they leave out the fact that Don Rumsfeld was a decorated Navy aviator. Or that George Bush was a fighter pilot. Or that Colin Powell who was SecState was a General in the Army. What was the combat record of Nancy Pelosi and Chuckie Schumer and Rahm Emanuell?

As a liberal and ex-sevicem... (Below threshold)

As a liberal and ex-seviceman I don't get that chickenhawk crap either. I think it does a diservice to out cause. We have plent things better to argue about the war than who has the right to argue.

One can very reasonably argue about the going-to, the planning of and the conduct of the war. I was an infantry 1st Lt before transferring to JAG Corps and that gives me no more standing to make my arguements than anyone else on these threads.

We all know the old saying about opinons - like assholes everyone has one.

I so disagree with my liberal bretahern on this point.

Hugh,The chickenha... (Below threshold)


The chickenhawk stuff is in response to those who think we can't support troops and be against the war at the same time.

Sure the chickenhawk thing makes no sense to you, but its a retort to something else that makes no sense.

However, how could any young Republican who supports Bush and this war attend college rather than fight in a war their hero calls a "war for civilization"?
That sounds kind of important, if one were to believe the President.
I'm under the impression young Republicans are like me on this one. They don't believe Bush either.

Robert, I can assure you, y... (Below threshold)

Robert, I can assure you, young Republicans are nothing like you, thank God.

The poor and the dark skinned don't much populate the ranks anymore. Google it and learn something.

It is illogical to say we don't support the war effort, but we support those making the effort. Just wrong, and inconsistent. Like usual with you guys. The average joe fighting this war won't see the difference, I can assure you.

gozorak -You spent... (Below threshold)

gozorak -

You spent time at Frankie's Rocket Ranch too? I spent 8 years there, right after the MMIII upgrade in the '70s. Glad to hear they finally got somewhere decent to eat on the base!


Robert, What we can... (Below threshold)

What we can'r believe is that you can support the troops while undermining them at the same time.
I know plenty of people that do support the troops but don't like the war. Were against it from day 1, would like to see it over today. But they also think it is wrong to publish intelligence information that can help the enemy change tactics and be more successful. Or publish NIE excerpts out of context to paint the war effort and effects in the most negative light possible. Or ask troopers mothers if their son helped rape children, etc.

A good sized chunk, and a very vocal one at that, of the against the war crowd are demonstrably also against the troops out there fighting it. Or at best, don't care if their attacks on the administration and the war has splash damage for the men and women in uniform.

And Robert, your point about college republican's is what? It is just a rewording of the chickenhawk arguement.
Not everyone is cut out, mentally or physically, to serve in the military. Maybe some of these people know this. Is the only acceptable way to support the war, in your mind, enlistment in the armed forces?
I support breast feeding children over using formula. But I cannot lactate.
Does that mean my support is fake or invalid?

Ah, watch 'em squirm and he... (Below threshold)

Ah, watch 'em squirm and hear 'em squeal!

You can almost see the flecks of flying spittle splashing the moonbats' screens . . .

Somebody really rattled their cages today, didn't they?


SCSI, you tried that male b... (Below threshold)

SCSI, you tried that male breast feeding thing, too?

Damn, I can't get nothin' to come out. Makes the baby angry.

Which reminds me of the Angry Left which further retards my lactation, I am sure.


How many feet can John Kerr... (Below threshold)

How many feet can John Kerry fit in that mouth of his? Here he is on "Imus in the Morning" today:

Kerry: These guys have failed America. The people who owe an apology are people like Donald Rumsfeld, who didn't send enough troops, who didn't listen to the generals, who has made every mistake in the book. . . .

Imus: . . . Senator John McCain, he seems to think--he seems to agree with the Bush administration about your comments. And you know him, obviously, better than I do, but I know him pretty well. And he probably knows what you meant, too.

Kerry: I'm sorry that John McCain has said what he said. John McCain's been a friend for a long time. But I have to tell you, I think John McCain is wrong about this.

John McCain has been a cheerleader for a policy that is incorrect. John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don't have another 100,000 troops. Secondly, if you send them over there, it's going to do exactly what's already happened, which is attract more terrorists and more jihadists. Our own generals are telling us that it's the numbers of troops that are the problem.

So the administration didn't send enough troops and it sent too many troops? If only we had such a decisive, principled leader as president!






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