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Those who violate US immigration laws more likely to violate other laws

Illegal immigration amnesty advocates argue that illegals who violate our immigration laws to get into our country are doing so just so they can have a better life and better support their families. They insist that most illegals don't break the law once they are here. That's what a study done by the Immigration Policy Center, a pro illegal immigration amnesty group claims. However, a new study contradicts the IPC's findings. From PR Newswire:

A recent study by the Immigration Policy Center (IPC) purported to show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in this country than the general population. The results of the IPC report, "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation," are misleading because they lump legal and illegal immigrants together, finds an analysis done by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

Not surprisingly, legal immigrants, who are screened for criminal records before being admitted to the United States, tend not to engage in criminal activities once in the country. The same is not the case for illegal aliens, who constitute the fastest growing share of the foreign-born population. An examination of official data on the U.S. prison population reveals that they represent a larger share of the overall prison population than their presence in the country.

"IPC, which is part of the network of advocacy groups lobbying for an illegal alien amnesty, is clearly fudging the facts to advance their political objectives," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "Local law enforcement authorities are correct to be concerned about growing populations of illegal residents because, on average, they are more likely to commit crimes. A new study we are releasing today shows that deportable aliens nationwide were nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated for crimes as their share of the population."

The findings of the IPC report, which gained widespread media attention, are belied by mounting evidence that illegal immigration is directly linked to violent crime in this country. Federal and local law enforcement agencies have announced urgent new initiatives to deal with growing gang violence, perpetrated by transnational criminals. Among the illegal alien criminals are possible terrorists, drug and human traffickers, child predators, drunk and hit-and-run drivers, murderers, and all classes of other felons. (Emphasis mine)

Those of us who think the Bush Administration is dead wrong on its immigration policies have said over and over again that those who break our immigration laws to get into this country are more likely to break other laws as well, so this study is no surprise to us. However, Illegal alien amnesty advocates will probably come back with the argument that the large number of illegals in prison is due to the fact that they can't speak the language, can't understand the laws, so they are more likely to end up in prison. But much of the crime that the incarcerated illegals committed is violent crime. One does not need to speak English to understand that murder, rape, theft, assault, and burglary are wrong.

Added: One blogger commented on his site that my last sentence of the above paragraph is ridiculously obvious. I agree. It's obvious to those of us who understand the dangers of illegal immigration, but it isn't so obvious to illegal immigrant supporters who view illegal immigrants as victims, not criminals.

For more information on illegal immigration, go to FAIR's website. I also recommend the Dan Stein Report, which follows immigration news. Take a look at most recent entry: Barack Obama thinks the US taxpayer should pay the application fees for immigrants.


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Comments (27)

This is one of the weakest ... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:

This is one of the weakest planks of the Republican platform. While I'm all for easing the restrictions on people wanting to legaly immegrate into this country I'm also all for deporting those illegals (and their families) out of this country. The fact that they are jumping line is a slap in the face to any immegrant who followed the process.

Has this been balanced agai... (Below threshold)

Has this been balanced against their income and education levels? There is always more crime from the poor- so if the average illegal immigrant earning poverty wages is committing MORE crime than the average American, but LESS than the average poor American, does this mean that what we should really be doing is not deporting the immigrants, but keeping them and deporting randomly selected poor Americans in their place?


Strange that the group that... (Below threshold)

Strange that the group that points this out, FAIR, advocates drastic reduction of legal immigration. They expressly state that immigration is the problem, not just illegal immigration. One wonders how they square this view with their own admission that legal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than the general population.

Dan,I agree with y... (Below threshold)


I agree with you on that, but let's take it a step further. Punish the owner's, CEO's etc that hire them. Huge fines and some serious jail time would really help also.

Allen,I think that... (Below threshold)


I think that might be a bigger key to the issue than most consider. If there is no one willing to hire illegal immigrants, we should see a drastic reduction in those wanting to come here.

I have no problem with lega... (Below threshold)

I have no problem with legal immigration. Assimilation is also necessary, and speaking the native language, English, is mandatory.

A guest worker program would also work for me, provided it were supervised and the 'guests' returned to their home country when the term expired.

The current scam is the big companies now subcontract out all their stoop labor, like burying cables and the such, that way the illegals are someones else's problem, but the low wages show up in the bid prices. The shoddy work also shows up, but generally the victim can't communicate with the workers so nothing becomes of the grievance.

Open borders is just plain nuts.

"Punish the owner's, CEO... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Punish the owner's, CEO's etc that hire them. Huge fines and some serious jail time would really help also."

Uhhh get out much ?

"Immigration agents arrested seven executives and hundreds of employees of a manufacturer of crates and pallets Wednesday as part of a crackdown on employers "

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12393925/ - 51k

"Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents also arrested three owners of the cleaning company - Nevada-based Rosenbaum-Cunningham International Inc. - accusing them of evading $18 million in payroll taxes and using the money to buy boats, vehicles, racehorses, fancy homes and education for their kids."

"Huge fines and some serious jail time would really help also."

Let's start with my ex-gang banger Mayor Antonio Reconquista who in front of hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens claimed :


Rob,If they've bee... (Below threshold)


If they've been cracking down on employers so much why do illegal immigrants still get jobs?

The problem has two sides to it, one is the illegal immigration itself, the other is the reward of employment that they get when they arrive here.

Have to be careful about ho... (Below threshold)

Have to be careful about how much the facts of incarceration of Illegals is played up. They way things are going, lately, the answer will be stop arresting and incarcerating Illegals, only citizens!

You know, Matt. You're not... (Below threshold)

You know, Matt. You're not far off base there. When the statistics start getting ugly and people take notice, many law agencies will change the way they report by changing the levels of the severity of certain crimes to manipulate the stats or they simply under-report.

From the L.A. Tim... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

From the L.A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L.A.County ( L.A.County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los AngelesCounty are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A.County ).

(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida , and New York ) results from immigration.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.


Is this ugly enough yet?

"Rob,If they've be... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:


If they've been cracking down on employers so much why do illegal immigrants still get jobs?"

There are alot of lazy fuckers willing to pay $80-$100 a day plus lunch to do their work for them. Some may pay less than $80 a day but the days of $20 a day and a 12 pack are long gone.

It doesn't take anything mo... (Below threshold)

It doesn't take anything more than common sense to know that those who commit one felony will more likely commit another in contrast to those who never committed any at all--though it's encouraging to read the truth. No doubt anyone who agrees with the truth of this story will be considered a racist by the elites and opinion makers. Unfortunately those Americans who respect the law (with regard to illegal immigration)are viewed as mean-spirited bigots. But that shouldn't be the case at all. This isn't a racial issue--it is a legal issue. Legal immigration is good--illegal, not good. And yes--it is as simple as that. What kind of message is given to Latin Americans, not to mention Americans, when illegal is even tacitly deemed a good? Again, use your common sense. The folks in the federal government and Mexico who "pull the strings" don't care if America turns into another third world cesspool filled with diseases that were eradicated years ago, because their wealth will protect them from that. There is nothing so uncommon as common sense.

From the L.A. Times<... (Below threshold)

From the L.A. Times

Or not.

Man are you a dipshit. Stick to whining about Clinton.

To Mantis- That was succinc... (Below threshold)

To Mantis- That was succinct and articulate. Is that how you "whine", by denigrating people? I prefer to keep it civilized and stick to politics. I don't care which admistration. Clinton's or Bush's: regarding the illegal immigration issue, one is much like the other--or haven't you noticed?

Tony,I'm assuming ... (Below threshold)


I'm assuming you're new around here and aren't familiar with Rob LA Ca. The tone and tenor of my comments depends upon to whom they are directed. Allow me to point you to one of Rob's comments from yesterday:

Fucken Democrats have been doing it for fricken years. SHIT! should have known the traitors are in a UNION. Still , 5 years is long enough , assemble the firing squads. This Country need a democrat colonoscopy.

Take it with a grain of salt. I have no problem debating civilly, joking around, and engaging in a little good-natured ribbing with the reasonable folks around here, but Rob ain't one of those.

Mantis,I followed yo... (Below threshold)

I followed your link and read the article. I don't see how it in any way supports the proposition that illegal immigration is good for America. It is true that the crime of illegal immigration is good for the illegal immigrant. However, I have never experienced any benefits from their criminal activity. I live in Orange County, Ca. and from my experience, the over crowded emergency rooms, hit and run accidents, over crowded freeways, over crowded schools, drug trade, forced "multiculturalism"(did you vote for it?), identity theft and just plain rude behavior that illegal immigrants have brought to my hometown hasn't improved my quality of life at all.
I see illegal immigration not as a racial issue, but as a law and order issue.

I don't see how it in an... (Below threshold)

I don't see how it in any way supports the proposition that illegal immigration is good for America.

Who said it does? I don't think illegal immigration is good and if you are under that impression you are mistaken, and reading way too much into my comment. I was merely pointing out that Rob gets his facts from random emails and the backs of cereal boxes.

Sorry, thanks for the clari... (Below threshold)

Sorry, thanks for the clarification.

Mantis, you get yours (info... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mantis, you get yours (information that is) from a drug smoking swami. Having followed what you have written to Wizbang over the past year or two indicates that maybe you took one or two too many acid trips. Further, your opinions reveal not education by indoctrination. You seem to see things only from one standpoint. Admirable if you were ever right. The question posed above by you does not take years of study in sociology. I cannot figure why you would be unable to deduce that people who have worked to earn something are less likely than those to whom something is given or stolen are less likely to commit crimes. People who immigrate legally are more grateful to be here than those who are born here, as a general rule, and surely have more respect for our laws, lest they be deported, than someone who immigrates illegally. Were you born this week?

Hey, when my Trix says it g... (Below threshold)

Hey, when my Trix says it gives 60% of my daily fiber, I'm inclined to agree, mantis. Who am I to argue with General Mills?

Mantis wrote: "I ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Mantis wrote:

"I have no problem debating civilly, joking around, and engaging in a little good-natured ribbing with the reasonable folks around here, but Rob ain't one of those."

You damn right. I find it amusing that you would be in such good spirits to be "debating civilly, joking around, and engaging in a little good-natured ribbing" especially with the world coming to an end and the economy in the crapper according to democrats. Where was this tone for the six years prior to Nov.7,2006? You might not reach the ranks of those like Lee/Hugh/Hansel/Maggy and the like however you share the same talking points and deluded thoughts.

I agree with Tony on the immigration issue.

"I don't care which admistration. Clinton's or Bush's: regarding the illegal immigration issue, one is much like the other--or haven't you noticed?"

Tony , it's not a question whether they have noticed or not , they just don't care. They will "say anything" and "do whatever it takes" to take power and hold on to it. Mantis might argue or want to debate the issue but in the end he will still support the open border democrats of the Clinton years while throwing blaming on Corporations and companies that hire them.

This bogus outrage or concern is a smoke screen for the OMITO-crats do all they can so that Police can't ask their status , they use stolen ID's to get employment and create sactuaries cities for them. At my brothers wedding a close childhood friend we used to down cases of beer with became a Catholic Priest and performed the services. Later after some time speaking he said Oh shit , your not going to like my opinion about that (Immigration issue). He was right however I completely understood why and am not going to hold it against him. I understand Why President Bush says what he does although I don't like it one bit, I am glad there are many Republicans who are willing to take up the issue.

Mantis wrote:

"The tone and tenor of my comments depends upon to whom they are directed."

You fit right in with the democrat party of perpetual fraud. Around here mantis , you would not be considered one who "IS KEEPING IT REAL".

And for those who are new to this sight let me inform you a little bit about Rob LA Ca. as apposed to those who speak from ones ass like the following..

"Man are you a dipshit. Stick to whining about Clinton.
Posted by: mantis at March 9, 2007 03:05 PM"

It might just explain why Mantis says : "but Rob ain't one of those." and why I choose to speak to them the way I do. Not to mention their always calling me a Wingnut or a Repug when the fact is I am still Registered Democratic having voted straight democrat for more years than I would like to admit. There is something about facts that just doesn't seem to be able to stick in their heads. Like they are Brainwashed or have their brain wrinsed of facts. Or does the fact that I voted for a Republican , President Bush for the first time on Nov. 2, 2004 automatically qualify me as wingnut or Registered Republican?

This just in...Nat... (Below threshold)

This just in...

Native American Immigration Research Experts have just released a report which links illegal immigration with violent crimes, theft, and outright treachery. They have issued a statement saying that Native American immigration policies in the past 500 years should have been more "rigid."


Do you ever watch "The Firs... (Below threshold)
T. G. Scott:

Do you ever watch "The First 48" or "Cops" very much? Anyone? Ever notice that nowadays there's a significantly higher number of hispanics caught breaking laws and commiting everything from petty thievery to heinous slaughter crimes? Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and call me a bigot, but my husband and I try to guess the race of the perp before much information is given out. We're right 95% of the time. There's usually some typical stuff about most criminals: serial killers are almost always white males; crimes where a knife was used are more proportionately black than any other race; gang violence is usually black or hispanic; hate crimes are committed pretty much universally by all race types, but people of Asian descent are usually the lowest to almost non-existent of all perps. Usually any violence on the part of Asians is in self-defense because they're being attacked.

Wow T.G., Way to g... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Wow T.G.,

Way to get your crime statistics from watching "cops." You might want to consider revising your research methods, if this is what you're going to use to formulate your opinions.

Just a thought.

Ryan,In response to ... (Below threshold)

In response to your remark to T.G.
You are right to a point but T.G. brings up an important concept. What we see in our everyday lives is but a small sample of the worlds activity. Just because an event hasn't been reported by some talking head on TV doesn't mean it is not happening. My bothers told me decades ago of seeing huge crowds of people moving north along the Southern California beach at midnight. No one reported it, no politican passed a bill and no newspapers covered it. I remember discussing the event with them and saying, "What are the chances that you guys were camping in that spot the one time this happend?" Our personal experiences and observations have some merit, even if Hillary and George agree that everything is OK. Personally, my home town was completely changed from 90% caucasian to about 70% hispanic in 20 years and no one in the national media has ever mentioned it that I know of.

You guys are scary with you... (Below threshold)

You guys are scary with your hate mongering nonsense. You live in a society which glamorizes violence and criminality in prime time all to the tune of cha-ching to some white male, and all you can do is criminalize some poor bastard who needs a job that for the most part nobody here wants. Shame on you all for being such incredible idiots! Surely, even as a Hispanic-American male I do not believe that the US borders should be flung open to everyone, especially criminals, but some of your assertions that Hispanics and the poor are the only ones committing crimes in our society that need to be addressed is unfounded at best. Your heroes Ken Lay, Ivan Boessky, Dennis Kozlowski and most recently, Dick and Georgie, seem to be able to get away with committing crimes that are much more harmful to our society and the canons of Democracy as a whole, and I don't hear you neo-conservative bozos screaming about being fleeced by them. Is it because they're white that you don't mind getting robbed blind by these people or is it only us basic brown types that can possibly do anything wrong in your selective perception of what's going on in this country? Bush and Cheney are helping Haliburton and the oil gangbangers to take away our basic rights of freedom all to the tune of hundreds of billions. Meanwhile, you guys are all aflutter about some Mexicans coming into the country. This is an elitist ultra-conservative trick from the haves put in place to deceive you. Sadly, its working and you can't even tell that they are glazing their fists in oil and ramming you 'where the sun don't shine.' But don't worry, Haliburton is now building government funded concentration camps with your money and in response to your calls for a "final solution" to the illegal immigration problem. You are all heartless, thoughtless morons who cannot see beyond the five fingers the powers that be in this country are holding in front of your eyes to cover the sky(duuuhhhh! that means 'the truth,' for those not educated enough to follow an analogy). God bless us all and save us from our own ignorance!






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