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Rudy Giulliani will publicly support abortion rights in his campaign:

After months of conflicting signals on abortion, Rudolph W. Giuliani is planning to offer a forthright affirmation of his support for abortion rights in public forums, television appearances and interviews in the coming days, despite the potential for bad consequences among some conservative voters already wary of his views, aides said yesterday.

At the same time, Mr. Giuliani's campaign -- seeking to accomplish the unusual task of persuading Republicans to nominate an abortion rights supporter -- is eyeing a path to the nomination that would try to de-emphasize the early states in which abortion opponents wield a great deal of influence. Instead they would focus on the so-called mega-primary of Feb. 5, in which voters in states like California, New York and New Jersey are likely to be more receptive to Mr. Giuliani's social views than voters in Iowa and South Carolina.

That approach, they said, became more appealing after the Legislature in Florida, another state they said would be receptive to Mr. Giuliani, voted last week to move the primary forward to the end of January.

The shift in emphasis comes as the Giuliani campaign has struggled to deal with the fallout from the first Republican presidential candidate debate, in which he gave halting and apparently contradictory responses to questions about his support for abortion rights.

Mr. Giuliani's aides were concerned both because the responses opened him up to a new round of criticism from abortion critics, who have never been happy with the prospect of a Republican presidential candidate who supports abortion rights, while threatening to undercut his image as a tough-talking iconoclast who does not equivocate on tough issues.

The campaign's approach would be a sharp departure from the traditional route to the Republican nomination in the last 20 years, in which Republicans have highlighted their antiabortion views.

Mr. Giuliani hinted at what aides said would be his uncompromising position on abortion rights yesterday in Huntsville, Ala., where he was besieged with questions about abortion and his donations to Planned Parenthood. "Ultimately, there has to be a right to choose," he said.

Asked if Republicans would accept that, he said, "I guess we are going to find out."


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Comments (24)

The Weird Religions Candida... (Below threshold)

The Weird Religions Candidate it is! Unlike Rudy, he's willing to do a 180 for y'all.

There goes the base....Sorr... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

There goes the base....Sorry, righties, it ain't going to be RUUUdy!!

Since the debate on May 3, ... (Below threshold)

Since the debate on May 3, Ron Paul:

Handily won two post-debate polls posted by event sponsor MSNBC
Placed a close third (18%) in a post-debate poll on the conservative Drudge Report
Won an ABCNews.com online debate poll with 84%
Won a C-SPAN online GOP candidate poll with 69%
Became the third most-mentioned person in the blogosphere, beating out Paris Hilton, according to the reputable Technorati.com
Produced a YouTube.com video that was ranked the 8th most popular overall video, and the most-viewed political video
Was featured, by popular demand, on the front of Digg.com
Generated so many bulletin posts on MySpace.com that the site owner News Corp. blocked all additional posts about Dr. Paul
Became a "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo!
Saw a quadrupling of daily visitors to RonPaul2008.com

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Oh, yeah. Paul will kill th... (Below threshold)

Oh, yeah. Paul will kill the IRS, too.

So let's kick the neocons back over to the Democratic side of the aisle from whence they came. (Including Fred Thompson:)

bryanD, That's one thing we... (Below threshold)

bryanD, That's one thing we can agree on. People are visiting Paul's site but don't swell up. 99% are visiting for a laugh. Remember, people laughing at you, not with you is not a good thing.

In less that two years the democrat crazies are going to have to identify a new buggie man to scare they're retarded children with.

OK now that Rudy is out the... (Below threshold)

OK now that Rudy is out the race can we go on?

Well, guess that proves tha... (Below threshold)

Well, guess that proves that Giulliani wasn't really serious about winning the election. Maybe he'll re-register as a democrat. He'd make a swell moderate democrat candidate.

"He'd make a swell moder... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"He'd make a swell moderate democrat candidate."

I completely agree with that statement.

And again, it seems to be t... (Below threshold)

And again, it seems to be the left that is so very sure about what the right will do.

He can't win by converting to pro-life since no one would think he was being honest. His supporters always knew he was pro-choice, pro-gay, and generally a social liberal.

This is not news.

"He can't win by convert... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"He can't win by converting to pro-life since no one would think he was being honest."

'ja ever notice how that is never a problem for a leftist politician? (I mean at least with regard to getting the nomination.)

Giuliani is to be commended... (Below threshold)

Giuliani is to be commended for standing up for what he belives in, and not lying about what he believes in order to gain votes.

He still doesn't have a Snowball's Chance in Hell (SCH) of winning the Presidency, but he's now indicated that there's at least two people in this world wearing red suspenders who you can count on to be truthful -- Rudy, and Santa.

I agree with his decision. ... (Below threshold)

I agree with his decision. Rudy isn't the sort to be comfortable dancing around an issue anyway - he is at his best when he just says what he thinks and lets the chips fall where they may.

Pro-life Republicans - like me - don't like his views on the issue, but many of us realize that there is a huge difference between having a Democrat in the White House and a Republican, even if the latter is pro-abortion.

Also, the pro-life candidates aren't setting the world afire. McCain has a pretty consistent voting record, but he also has BCFRA and the Gang of 14 around his neck: the former restricted the free speech rights of pro-life groups (among others, of course) and the latter cost us any number of strict constructionist judges who the "Gang" allowed Democrats to block until they won a majority.

Romney's pro-life views are of a recent vintage. While I applaud anyone who comes over, and his story of his conversion is plausible, the timing was convenient to say the least.

Add to this the roughly 25% of Republicans who are "pro-choice" anyway, and it's a bit premature to be writing Rudy out of the picture just yet.


Did bryanD purchase indulgences or something? Why is he still around crapping on threads with his off-topic nonsense?

I have to give kudos to Rud... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I have to give kudos to Rudy for standing by his principles.

But he just walked in front of a moving bus.

DJ, that moving bus is like... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

DJ, that moving bus is likely to stop and pick him up. There are a lot of socially liberal types who are absolutely disgusted with the Democrats chickenshit positions on defending the U.S., but do not want right-wing statists trying to control peoples lives either. If he moderates on gun control, he becomes the perfect candidate for them. . and they've decided the last few elections.

It is refreshing to see som... (Below threshold)

It is refreshing to see someone stray from the clearcut path of beliefs members of a particular party are "supposed" to follow. Party members can be so set in their ways at times that they follow policies simply because their party tells them too. For example, republicans do not necessarily have to believe that war is the only solution. Poverty is a main root of terrorism and fighting it is another strategy to boost America's security.

For example, republicans... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

For example, republicans do not necessarily have to believe that war is the only solution.

Typical straw-man argument. Few believe it is the only solution, but unlike many mainstream Dems they do recognize when it is a solution, and far more readily recognize when it may be the only "good" solution. Arthur C. Clarke got famously "pwned" when arguing with Jerry Pournelle, as someone pointed out recently, when he noted the old saw that "violence is the last resort of the incompetent." Pournelle called him out on it by accurately noting that that is because only an incompetent waits until it is the last resort.
Poverty is a main root of terrorism and fighting it is another strategy to boost America's security.

Oddly enough, terrorists come from countries that have received a lot of American aid and money over the years. Also, the most dangerous terrorists are not poor. This is more a myth spread by apologists for terrorism more than a useful fact in the war on terror.

"Few believe it (war... (Below threshold)

"Few believe it (war) is the only solution, but unlike many mainstream Dems they do recognize when it is a solution, "

People like you, in spite of your demurral above, always seem to find it as the only solution.

Just what solutions have the folks like you ever proposed in response to any situations in foreign affairs apart from military?

John, let's try to name tha... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

John, let's try to name that bus. I don't see Rudy running as a Democrat, so that's not it, and I can't see a "Pro-Choice" Republican winning primaries in most of the South.

JimAddison: (You're boring,... (Below threshold)

JimAddison: (You're boring, I'm not. Put some personality into it. JT among his collectibles, DJ throwing books at the cat. I picture these things. That's a compliment to their writing. You? A blank. A big F'ing blank.)

Something on topic? OK: Giuliani is the one who recommended the mobbed-up and corrupt B Kerik to be Sonny Drysdale's Homeland Security Czar. And earlier he based his Emergency Reponse Center in the targeted WTC AFTER it had already been bombed in 1993. The dresses? No biggie. Abortion? A biggie.

If he's elected anyway, I will look forward to his drooling contests with Chris Matthews on MSNBC.

People like you, in spit... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

People like you, in spite of your demurral above, always seem to find it as the only solution.

Just what solutions have the folks like you ever proposed in response to any situations in foreign affairs apart from military?

Well, let's see. . sanctions, economic and political pressure, aid to resistance groups, realpolitic alliances, and ultimatums. What ahve you offered besides "let's give them what they want and maybe they'll leave us alone."

"Folks like you," you have no idea who the fuck I am, let alone anyone else looking at foreign policy from a perspective of "what is good for the U.S."

DJ, he doesn't have to win primaries in the South, seldom do the southern primaries decide much at all. . . and he will carry the Southern states over any of the current Democrat choices, and may bring some blue states in as well.

The religious right is losing power, which is good. . now if we can make the Republicans offer a choice to the middle, maybe we can cause the moonbat left to lose power in the Democrats too.

and he (Giuliani)will ca... (Below threshold)

and he (Giuliani)will carry the Southern states"

That's right, the Republicans can always count on the knuckledragging South to fall into line. Nixon was right for the Republican Party when he decided to cater to the good ole bigots of the South after the passage of the Civil Rights legislation of the 60's.

History may well decide that Lincoln made a tragic error when he prevented the South from seceding.

Wieder,South side ... (Below threshold)


South side of Boston? some suburbs of Chicago?

Now, THOSE are bigoted places, towards blacks anyway. No southern locale comes close.

In the south we've had 300 years to get used to each other. In the north, basically 50. Plus, up in the frigid north, people run from indoors to indoors and peek out from behind closed curtains. And staying inside too much (or not getting sun?) makes one kind of paranoid.

bryanD got it right, I enco... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

bryanD got it right, I encountered more actual racism while in New England than I ever have here in the South.

But Wieder proves himself a mindless bigot with his statement about "knuckledragging South." I've met country rednecks with far more wisdom and life experience than any cloistered cityfolk. . . and those self-same Southerners are far more likely to volunteer service to our country, instead of begging our country for handouts.

I encountered more actua... (Below threshold)

I encountered more actual racism while in New England than I ever have here in the South.

Come to Chicago. We've still got segregation!






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