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Islamofascist Training Camp Flourishes in Up State New York

The Feds are doing nothing about it. What's going on in Islamberg is much like what was happening in David Koresh's cult in Waco and in the militias the ATF has taken on in the past. So why aren't the Feds shutting down Islamberg?

Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.


A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

It has a sentry post? I'm betting he's armed, and heavily.

The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."


While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

No kidding. Who wants to live next door to a Islamic terrorist training camp? And we thought they only existed in the Middle East and Africa. And these people are active terrorists, too:

Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.

Over the years, numerous members of Jamaat ul-Fuqra have been convicted in US courts of such crimes as conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud. Others remain leading suspects in criminal cases throughout the country, including ten unsolved assassinations and seventeen fire-bombings between 1979 and 1990.

The criminal charges against the group and the criminal convictions are not things of the past. In 2001, a resident of a California compound was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting of a sheriff's deputy; another was charged with gun-smuggling' and twenty-four members of the Red House community were convicted of firearms violations.

By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan.

Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish, and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity.

Where the hell is the FBI? Why aren't they shutting down this Islamic military training camp?

Hat tip: Power Line

Comments (27)

Wonder if they are supporte... (Below threshold)

Wonder if they are supporters of the Hildbeast?

One word...undercover? Unt... (Below threshold)

One word...undercover? Until the news media coverage makes it impossible.

Actually, I've read article... (Below threshold)

Actually, I've read articles about this camp going back to February of 2006, so it's certainly not new.

Personally, I am curious if... (Below threshold)

Personally, I am curious if the Fort Dix Six had any connection to this camp.

Ha, ha, they think their co... (Below threshold)

Ha, ha, they think their community is not open.

Clinton is preparing Reno f... (Below threshold)

Clinton is preparing Reno for an encore.

Clinton is preparing Ren... (Below threshold)

Clinton is preparing Reno for an encore.

Can you imagine the lefties if Bush does to this compound what Clinton did to Waco? We'll never the hear the end of the Hitler comparisons!

Where are the liberals who ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Where are the liberals who demanded action in Darfur? Where are all the anti-war protestors?

"What's going on in Islambe... (Below threshold)

"What's going on in Islamberg is much like what was happening in David Koresh's cult in Waco and in the militias the ATF has taken on in the past._Kim Priestap"

You need to buy/rent "Waco:Rules of Engagement". The Branch Davidians were murdered. The government's own FLEER tapes show the machinegunning on the final day. $12.95 will buy you wisdom on the subject.

bryanD(imwit):Not ... (Below threshold)


Not to be too terribly pedantic here, and not to defend what happened at Waco, but...

FLEER = a brand of baseball card.
FLIR = Forward-Looking Infra-Red. (Get it? F. L. I. R. FLIR.)

Of course, if you'd actually read anything on the topic, you'd have seen the term spelled correctly, I am sure.

(I am now taking wagers on how many trolls conveniently "miss seeing" the above disclaimer that I am not defending what happened at Waco.)

CCG: thx. FLIR. My point st... (Below threshold)

CCG: thx. FLIR. My point stands, and a picture's worth 10,000 words. Plus, reading about doomed children pisses me off too much. A 90 minute film for GP, I can handle.

Pssst bryanDirtbag they hav... (Below threshold)

Pssst bryanDirtbag they have a special on tours at Area 51. lol

Whoa! Hold on a minute jho... (Below threshold)

Whoa! Hold on a minute jhow66. I think that if you go back through my previous comments, or read my blog, you'll see I'm hardly a raving conspiracy nut. I feel I have to say this because of what follows.

I lived in Texas at the time of the Waco debacle. I don't know how much of what is below was conveyed elsewhere.

Koresh was a serious nutcase. His group was clearly a cult. I am willing to take the government at its word that there were serious firearms laws violations, and that Koresh and his group were dangerous to others. And the government, so far as I can tell from what was available at the time, did everything wrong, and more or less murdered these people.

First, the government did not isolate the compound from the start, and give an ultimatum (or a warrant) to the residents. Instead, they went in in a paramilitary raid, with some of the government agents who were injured (killed? I don't remember for sure) being hit by people firing through the roof of their compound at armed men on the roof. In those circumstances, the defenders' behavior was utterly rational, and even legal, because a warrant had not been served and as far as the people inside knew, these were anything but government agents with a legal right to be there.

Second, the fiasco of the first attempt on the compound was filmed. By local news. How did that happen? Because the local guys for BATF wanted to look good on TV, so they called the local news sources out to cover the big raid. Why is that significant? Because the government claimed immediately afterwards that a couple of agents had gone to the house to inform Koresh that he was under investigation on gun charges. But if that were so, why were there TV stations present? The government's claims do not make sense here.

Third, the government had opportunity to serve, or even arrest, Koresh when he was away from the compound; these guys were not hermits. The government, so far as I can tell, chose instead to launch the initial raid because it looked good, and felt powerful. This may sound farfetched, but consider the (literally) little old lady recently shot in a SWAT no-knock drug raid based on information clearly known to the police to be either coerced or otherwise false. The government, in this sense, is not your friend or your protector; too many in law enforcement think of you as the enemy, at least in potential terms, and they seem to cluster in BATF, the FBI and SWAT teams.

Fourth, the government isolated the compound after the initial raid. The compound was in a rural area, and was easily isolated without endangering or even massively inconveniencing a lot of neighbors. In other words, no one in the compound was capable from that point of harming anyone but themselves.

Fifth, the government was politically embarrassed, both that the compound resisted the government for so long, and that during that time, Koresh had given at least one interview (on a cell phone, IIRC) that was, of course, hardly complimentary to the government agents.

Sixth, with the compound isolated, there was no reason to attack the compound, except for the above-mentioned embarrassment — hardly a legitimate reason for the government to use armed force against its own citizens. Even if the people in the compound were in danger of pulling a "Jim Jones" and suiciding, they could only have harmed themselves. Under those circumstances, the government could have waiting an essentially infinite amount of time — its not like they were short on cash and just had to wrap things up.

Given all of that, even if the government's claims about the origin of the fire are correct (which, from their prior behavior, I doubt), there would have been no fire had the government not attacked the compound. And while I have not heard more than rumors of the Federal agents firing at the people fleeing the fires, given that the government was attacking the compound (and here again, I doubt the government's claims that they were trying to make a hole that people inside could escape through), it would not surprise me.

Now, I don't know anything about the film that bryanD is talking about, but calling him names and assuming he's a conspiracy theorist (meaning one believing in obviously-untrue mega-conspiracies) are off base. There is simply too much wrong about the events surrounding Koresh to not consider the possibility that bryanD is correct, unless you have done research on the topic and can make a good, logical argument backed by evidence.

Your immediate descent into ridicule and name-calling, jhow66, leads me to believe that you cannot do so. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

Thank goodness at least thi... (Below threshold)

Thank goodness at least this compound isn't for fundamentalist christians, eh Rosie.....

More news from and about Ne... (Below threshold)

More news from and about New York state, which continues to look not at all credible in it's protestations about vulnerabilities in national security. And why do Black Muslims (article says those at this N.Y. camp are "African American Muslims") need "training camp(s)" anyway? To train for what?

Let me guess...

This place HAS been in the ... (Below threshold)

This place HAS been in the new before. I remember reading something just after 9/11 about a possible threat to New York state's water supply, something related to this "camp" and water reservoirs nearby.

Gotta throw my backing behi... (Below threshold)

Gotta throw my backing behind Jeff Medcalf on this. He's foggy on some of the details, but after this long I may be too. I was living in the Fort Worth area at the time, where the story was semi-local and got more coverage than it probably did in the rest of the country. Reno's ATF blew it BIG time. They had opportunities to arrest Koresh away from the compound, and failing that they could have saved a lot of lives by waiting him out. None of that changes the fact it's past time to do something about the Islamberg situation.

Clinton really didn't know ... (Below threshold)

Clinton really didn't know how to handle the broomsticks of power. You see him grab the wand, the broomstick moves, and before you know it, there is a mess.

Jeff Medcalf and Bill Faith... (Below threshold)

Jeff Medcalf and Bill Faith are on the money with the Waco situation.
Jhow66's swipe at bryanD is more than likely out of reflex because bryanD can be kind of a lefty pain in the ass...

Back to the situation at hand...these dirtbags in the Catskills need to be dealt with, and SOON.
We are not talking American cult dingbats who don't want to pay taxes or who are trying make some kind of point.
WE are talking about a group of dirtbags who want to DESTROY our country.

If law enforcement can't or won't address the situation, then maybe some home grown militia/organization will organize to recon and plan a fun weekend. Kinda like paintball, but with consequences. So if law enforcement and neighbors are turning a blind eye to the dirtbags, if things get VERY noisy up there some weekend, they should keep looking the other way until it's finished.

Waco: Rules of Engagement i... (Below threshold)

Waco: Rules of Engagement is free on Google video.


Make sure you see the FLIR video late in the film.

just in case you guys misse... (Below threshold)

just in case you guys missed it. this is not about one camp in upstate NY.

Near the bottom of the article several other camps are listed:

Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.

I work in Commerce. I will try and find this place.

I will try and find this... (Below threshold)

I will try and find this place.

I wouldn't. You might not come back in one piece.

We should take up a collect... (Below threshold)

We should take up a collection to send a few 1000 wild boar(full of exlax) onto their grounds.

They cant kill them, the blood of pigs 'desecrates' their property. They wont trap n release, they wont touch them.

What are their other options? Im sure a few dims in here can contribute.

You can see why they wouldn... (Below threshold)

You can see why they wouldn't want to eat feral pigs; it'd be cannibalism.

Oh my God, not in NY. Not ... (Below threshold)

Oh my God, not in NY. Not in the USA! And we're letting it go on? Close it down!!!!

I live in Commerce, GA too.... (Below threshold)

I live in Commerce, GA too. I have seen aerial photos of this camp. It is actually towards Carnesville. I don't have the exact address. I hear they are training mainly black muslims recently released from US prisons, where they are recruited heavily. This camp is funded by a known international terrorism sponsor, but the name eludes me. Also, I have heard that local EMTs have been summoned to this location MANY times. A similar camp sponsored by the same man was discovered out west and raided several years ago. Guns, ammo, plans and explosives were confiscated and several people were arrested.

I'm sure the traitor is awa... (Below threshold)

I'm sure the traitor is aware of this and is pleased.






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