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Harry Reid calls Illegals "undocumented Americans"

What's the point of making illegals go through a path to citizenship when Senate Majority Leader Democrat Harry Reid declares on the floor of the Senate that the 12 million people who are in this country illegally are actually "12 million undocumented Americans." Americans! Michelle Malkin is right when she says that the concept of American citizenship is now dead. Watch the video yourself; it's front and center on Reid's own site.

Bryan at Hot Air captured it in case Reid's people take it down.

Update: I wrote in a post last night that Reid may shelve the bill if a vote for cloture scheduled to take place tomorrow fails. Let's hope it fails because this bill has so many holes in it that it will do nothing but exacerbate the immigration problem. Senator Jeff Sessions outlines the twenty loopholes in the bill that will keep it from actually doing anything. Here are a few of them:

Legal Status Before Enforcement

Amnesty benefits do not wait for the "enforcement trigger." After filing an application and waiting 24 hours, illegal aliens will receive full "probationary benefits," complete with the ability to legally live and work in the U.S., travel outside of the U.S. and return, and their own social security card. Astonishingly, if the trigger is never met and amnesty applications are therefore never "approved," the probationary benefits granted to the illegal alien population never expire, and the new social security cards issued to the illegal alien population are not revoked.

Trigger Requires No More Agents, Beds, or Fencing Than Current Law

The "enforcement trigger" does not require the Department of Homeland Security to have detention space sufficient to end "catch and release" at the border and in the interior. Even after the adoption of amendment 1172, the trigger merely requires the addition of 4,000 detention beds, bringing DHS to a 31,500 bed capacity. This is far short of the 43,000 beds required under current law to be in place by the end of 2007, or the additional 20,000 beds required later in the bill. Additionally, the bill establishes a "catch, pay, and release" program. This policy will benefit illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico that are caught at the border, then can post a $5,000 bond, be released and never show up for deportation hearings. Annual failure to appear rates for 2005 and 2006, caused in part by lack of detention space, doubled the 2004 rate (106,000 - 110,000 compared with 54,000). Claims that the bill "expands fencing" are inaccurate. The bill only requires 370 miles of fencing to be completed, while current law already mandates that more than 700 miles be constructed

Three Additional Years Worth of Illegal Aliens Granted Status, Treated Preferentially To Legal Filers

Aliens who broke into the country illegally a mere 5 months ago, are treated better than foreign nationals who legally applied to come to the U.S. more than two years ago. Aliens who can prove they were illegally in the U.S. on January 1, 2007, are immediately eligible to apply from inside the U.S. for amnesty benefits, while foreign nationals that filed applications to come to the U.S. after May 1, 2005 must start the application process over again from their home countries. Last year's bill required illegal aliens to have been here before January 7, 2004 to qualify for permanent legal status.

Completion of Background Checks Not Required For Probationary Legal Status

Legal status must be granted to illegal aliens 24 hours after they file an application, even if the aliens have not yet "passed all appropriate background checks." (Last year's bill gave DHS 90 days to check an alien's background before any status was granted). No legal status should be given to any illegal alien until all appropriate background checks are complete.

Terrorism Connections Allowed, Good Moral Character Not Required

Illegal aliens with terrorism connections are not barred from getting amnesty. An illegal alien seeking most immigration benefits must show "good moral character." Last year's bill specifically barred aliens with terrorism connections from having "good moral character" and being eligible for amnesty. This year's bill does neither. Additionally, bill drafters ignored the Administration's request that changes be made to the asylum, cancellation of removal, and withholding of removal statutes in order to prevent aliens with terrorist connections from receiving relief.

Gang Members Are Eligible

Instead of ensuring that members of violent gangs such as MS 13 are deported after coming out of the shadows to apply for amnesty, the bill will allow violent gang members to get amnesty as long as they "renounce" their gang membership on their application.

Read all of Senator Sessions' list. It's important that everyone understand how flawed this bill really is.

Update II: The Cornyn amendment that would prevent felons and those who are already scheduled to be deported from getting a path to citizenship failed.

WASHINGTON (AP) - A bipartisan immigration bill narrowly survived a potentially fatal challenge on Wednesday when the Senate turned back a Republican bid to limit the illegal immigrants who could gain lawful status.

The close vote on a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar felons--including those court-ordered to be deported--from legalization reflected the delicate position of the contentious immigration bill, which remains under threat from the right and the left.

The vote was 51-46 against the amendment. Democrats succeeded in sucking support from Cornyn's proposal by winning adoption of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization. The Senate backed that amendment 66-32.


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Comments (42)

Technically he's right. Al... (Below threshold)

Technically he's right. All inhabitants of the Americas (north and south) are Americans. Most of the 12 million are from some part of the Americas. Only those from outside the Western hemisphere can't be called Americans.

Sorry couldn't resist...Obviously a slip by Reid.

We know Bush never makes those.

If real Americans don't wak... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

If real Americans don't wake up, we're finished. Our culture and government cannot withstand the onslaught of corruption coming from the left much longer.

Has it been clarified as me... (Below threshold)

Has it been clarified as meaning from the Americas by Reid? Or some kind of mistake?

Harry Reid is a conplete id... (Below threshold)

Harry Reid is a conplete idiot. Worse then Pee-looser. Flash!!!!! Alan Combs say he was taken out of context.He's out alright-waaaaay out.

Gee, I wonder why the conce... (Below threshold)

Gee, I wonder why the concept of citizenship is dead? Could it be because we've effectively stopped enforcing immigration laws? Could it be because we've stop insisting immigrants learn and speak English? Could it be because we're too afraid to point out the illegal Latinos have the highest high school dropout rate and the highest out of wedlock birthrate? Could it be because we don't even require people to prove that they are citizens and registered to vote when in the polling place? Could it be because we do nothing when illegal aliens tear down the US flag and raise the Mexican flag?

Naw, I'm just a mean-spirited "nativist".

He's just articulating what... (Below threshold)

He's just articulating what so many Left-Wingers think, so in a way I'm glad for his candor. It might make people who are 'on the fence' realize, at long last, what Congress is doing on the Immigration issue. This could be a turning point, if the press were to report it.

/ crickets & cicadas chirping

He knows exactly what he sa... (Below threshold)

He knows exactly what he said, all he sees is 12 million votes. He/they have little concern the effect they'll have on this country.

How does that shoe leather ... (Below threshold)

How does that shoe leather taste Harry?

The Immigration bill isn't ... (Below threshold)

The Immigration bill isn't about helping illegals. It's about helping businesses.

Watching Republican and Conservatives whine about how their political heroes (Hello W) are abandoning regular citizens to assist businesses is hilarious.

Did you really think Republican politicians cared about regular Americans?
Maybe you should change your party affiliation name to "Naive".

Here's all we need from Con... (Below threshold)

Here's all we need from Congress: A declaration to the Administration from Congress stating that "Congress expects and insists that all Federal agencies immediately commence the enforcement of all the US immigration laws Congress has passed and are signed into law. Any additional necessary funding will be immediately addressed by Congress as a budget supplemental." If they cant do that, they need to just shut up and go home. gc

Larkin's logical fallacies ... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Larkin's logical fallacies today are: Appeal to Common Practice, Appeal to Ridicule, and Ad Hominem Tu Quoque. Congrats, Larkin! It's a hat trick!

Larkin: "Technically he's r... (Below threshold)

Larkin: "Technically he's right. All inhabitants of the Americas (north and south) are Americans"

So Reid wants to grant citizenship to ALL "americans"??? Over half a BILLION of them???

Puhleeze. In the U.S. Congress, when a politician says: "American" they are NEVER referring to Argentinians, Ecuadorians, etc...

Reid DID slip...he slipped by stating what he truly feels: that these 12,000,000 ILLEGAL aliens are ALREADY CITIZENS in his mind! [and Democrats to boot!]

Hey Robert. I see you and L... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Hey Robert. I see you and Larkin have talked this morning.

This just confirms that he ... (Below threshold)

This just confirms that he has been sampling too much of the legal (HIV+) that's available in NV.

I would'nt mind so much, if... (Below threshold)

I would'nt mind so much, if he knew who they were and where they are.

The hard facts (Heather Mac... (Below threshold)

The hard facts (Heather MacDonald, Manhatten Institure): Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country - over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly one and a half times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

Hispanics have the highest school drop-out rate in the country - a recipe for economic decline. In the Los Angeles Unified School District, which is 73% Hispanic, just 40% of Hispanic students graduate.

What do Jorge and Jeb Busheron say....? LOL

I'll bet Lee that the Ho... (Below threshold)
The Memory Hole:

I'll bet Lee that the House stays Republican. If not, I will not post anywhere on Wizbang for one year from the election. But if it does, Lee is to not post anywhere on Wizbang (of course he is still permitted to read and be educated) for one year from the election.

Posted by: nehemiah at October 30, 2006 12:30 PM

Did he take the bet? That ... (Below threshold)

Did he take the bet? That would be important, right. Just like a lib to post what is clearly a mislead. Post the reply where he took it, dude, as it might be important.

The confusion about the pho... (Below threshold)

The confusion about the photos (by Drudge, Kim was just basically linking to Drudge) are not any big deal. As no one thinks that having had plastic surgery will or will not break Hillary's candidacy.

But it is posts like this by "Memory Hole" aka (Lee, aka Lee Ward) that truly do damage and are actually malicious. He that complained of misleading statements yesterday (see the area with Hillary's before/after photo yesterday and Lee's condemnation for a possible mislead), and compare that to the above.

He implies that he took the bet. He of course never did, and I actually later commented that it was good that he did not take the bet as I would have felt bad that he would get depressed not being able to post his ridiculousness for anyone. Now, are you still walking your French poodle and waxing the dolphin, or would you agree that what you imply above is misleading? Lee?

Lee (who I know has a lot o... (Below threshold)

Lee (who I know has a lot of time), who had time today to dig up all my comments from before the election now suddenly seems to have had somewhere to go. Was it that difficult to find where you said you would take the bet, or was it convenient to leave that out?

In fact, I am going to myself go to the archives and posted that I would forget the bet due to your non-reply (which I'm sure you remember). I am going to make sure to take time to do this and prove to the Wizbang readers your willful deceit. That would be meritorious service. I'll post for sure before the end of the day. And that's a promise.

Lee,I'm happy to s... (Below threshold)


I'm happy to see you actually addressed this topic (outcome of House races). You I'm sure will remember in these last two weeks cutting and pasting part of an article from Charlie Cook where he projected that the number of seats which will change hands is much more likely closer to 30 than the needed 15.

Are you now saying that you don't agree with what you posted as evidence? That's fine, since you never officially took up the wager. I would propose it again, but I don't think it would be very enjoyable (in earnest) to see you not posting at Wizbang for a whole year. And seeing how active you are as a commenter, I would not like to see such an outcome (both for the community and for you). So for me it will just be a curiosity to see who is right or closer to being right. In addition to the numbers up there, I also make the following predictions.

Tennessee, Virginia, Missouri: Not in play.

NJ: Will stay Dem.
MD: Will probably stay Dem.
Montana: Will stay Republican
Ohio: Will probably stay Republican
Pennsylvania: Will stay Republican


Posted by: nehemiah at November 2, 2006 01:56 PM


There it is on Nov. 2nd.
Lee probably read it while searching for his post that pretended he took the bet. We basically knew Lee's character. I will post the above occasionally at whichever thread, when Lee seems active. Thanks.

So if environmentalists can... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

So if environmentalists can take the Federal government to court and force it to enforce environmental laws why can't organizations like the Minutemen do the same thing for immigration laws?

Everyone who's on the fence... (Below threshold)
Cousin Dave:

Everyone who's on the fence about this issue needs to go read Sen. Sessions' critique. It is absolutely devestating. As he shows, this bill has actually moved further in the direction of unconditional amnesty than last year's bill.

By the way, Rahm the com... (Below threshold)
The Memory Hole:

By the way, Rahm the commie Emanuel is nervous. I don't know if it due to Castro's failing health, or the Republican momentum.

But good going on not taking my wager. I'm serious. It was a good move on your part.

Posted by: nehemiah at November 6, 2006 01:00 PM


may many abortions happen in your family. I don't try to convince any liberals anymore. They are my enemies and I treat them as such. May you and your family go to hell.

Posted by: nehemiah at November 4, 2006 07:26 PM

Congress should just enact ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Congress should just enact legislation to privatize enforcement of immigration laws. We get folks like D.O.G. hunting illegals and it wouldn't be long before our population would be under 300 million again.

Hopefully Kim and Jay wi... (Below threshold)

Hopefully Kim and Jay will keep putting up new ones so that the other thread will keep getting pushed down.

Posted by: nehemiah at June 6, 2007 12:01 PM

Memory Hole,Since ... (Below threshold)

Memory Hole,

Since you looked up so many of my posts, why did you not post the one from Nov. 2nd?

Once you lose the argument ... (Below threshold)

Once you lose the argument (which implied that I violated the bet by posting earlier than promised), then character assasination is the next method.

Isn't that what libs criticize?

By the way, I don't back off from any of those comments.

Now can you address your misleading post (original implication that I violated the bet)?

So let me please summarize ... (Below threshold)

So let me please summarize what happened. Lee (Memory Hole) proved that he knew that there was no real wager (he even posted a later post where I said "good going not taking my wager"), but wanted Wizbang readers to think I broke a promise not to post. But the bet was never taken (as there is only too much proof above).

So now he's basically calling me an evil person. Never mind what he originally implied. Don't get distracted by what he's doing. Please read from Memory Hole's post at 11:03 a.m.

By the way, since Lee is no... (Below threshold)

By the way, since Lee is not providing any context, I will provide it. My post above was partly in response to astigafa calling Lorie a babykiller:

"Tell me, Lorie, do you think the hippies calling soldiers "baby killers" are convincing those soldiers not to serve their country? Would you feel closer to my point of view if I said that your are a goddamn neocon hypocrite, and that those babies are the only lives in the world that you would not take?

You support the war in Iraq, therefore you are in league with the baby killers in uniform, right? Therefore you yourself are a militaristic baby killer" (astigafa, Nov 4th, 2006)

mantis, In case yo... (Below threshold)


In case you didn't understand, that's for Lee's sake that this thread will get less visible.

In those days also saw I... (Below threshold)

In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:

And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.

And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.

- Nehemiah 13:23-25


As our great President said that we cannot negotiate with terrorists, we cannot negotiate with abortionists and liberals. It is not going to work by talking to them and trying to convince them. We are a nation at war -- the secular humanists and those they've deceived -- they have launched a coup d'etat. We have a choice to embrace them as our leaders, or stay loyal to God who will soon return. We HAVE to make a choice.

Posted by: nehemiah at November 4, 2006 12:18 PM

Nehemiah 13:26Did ... (Below threshold)

Nehemiah 13:26

Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him King over all Israel: nevertheless did outlandish somen cause to sin.


Only difference is that the libs are not pretty (outlandish). But still they cause sin. By the way, if you're comparing me to God's servant Nehemiah, it is an honor I cannot accept. I am not worthy to be compared to Nehemiah of the Old Testament.


So mantis, still the initial post from Oct. 30th was brought up so that I would not post anymore. Could you comment on that?

Sorry, the passage in Nehem... (Below threshold)

Sorry, the passage in Nehemiah 13 is "outlandish women cause to sin".

Since Lee's gone from this thread, I'll just remind him what he tried to do from time to time. I didn't mean to take this thread away from the Harry Reid topic -- but it was Lee who posted something misleading. I've got to work now.

Well, it looks like anti-lo... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Well, it looks like anti-logic has hijacked another thread.

I thank God every day that ... (Below threshold)

I thank God every day that I was able to help elect Sen. Sessions. His pointing out the failings of this bill crafted by Kennedy and his mirmadons as a "shamnesty" will do more to mobilize efforts against its passage.

Just revisited this thread ... (Below threshold)

Just revisited this thread for the first time since I last posted yesterday - wow --by the way - I'm not "memory hole"... Sorry to disappoint you, nehemiah. I wouldn't hide behind another name, there's no reason I would need to.

And I vaguely remember your "bet", but I won't hold you to it. I don't think I took you up on the bet, so that wouldn't be fair.

Look, nehemiah - this matter appears to have upset you a great deal - why don't you just put it behind you and go on with life. Tomorrow is a new day, and there's lots more important matters to discuss. Start the day with a smile...


Look, nehemiah - this ma... (Below threshold)
The Memory Hole:

Look, nehemiah - this matter appears to have upset you a great deal


grrrr...... (Below threshold)


Lee,I got it that ... (Below threshold)


I got it that you're not Memory Hole. He seemed to be more immature anyway. If you read my post above at 11:46 a.m., it proves that there was no wager and that's how I wanted it.

Memory Hole just chose to mislead people and misrepresented the situation. You can see for yourself above. He did not answer my posts for a while until there was the post at 11:46 a.m. which showed what he did. Then he went on ad hominem attacks by posting quotes he thought were extreme (in his opinion).

He knows what he did, and I know he knows what he did. I am marking this thread so I can refer to it when he posts again. He has been intellectually dishonest, and he and I will know that. It's fine when we're just arguing, but I will know his character when he tries to make a serious point.

Sorry couldn't resist...... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Sorry couldn't resist...Obviously a slip by Reid.
We know Bush never makes those.

Get back to me when someone comes up with a list of "Reidisms"...thanks.

Interesting that all "The M... (Below threshold)
elho yommer:

Interesting that all "The Memory Hole" does is quote nehemiah's own words, not offering any commentary at all.






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