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The face of evil

Ever since I first heard that many of the would-be bombers caught in Britain and Scotland and Australia were doctors, something preyed at the back of my mind. There was a significance there, an essential truth that needed to be put to words. I wrestled with it for some time, then happened to read a novel where two medical professionals in the Service were questioned why they were sharing medical techniques with an "enemy" doctor. They responded by quoting an oath they had sworn before enlisting:

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

To these people, their obligation to freely teach others who practiced medicine superseded all else, and they were honoring that oath.

But to these alleged terrorists, that oath -- had they even sworn it -- meant absolutely nothing when they had the opportunity to kill countless innocents. Indeed, they used their positions as physicians to gain entry to the United Kingdom, and their positions in the British National Health Service -- government employees -- to expedite their plans.

A while ago, after Muslim terrorists destroyed a school in Beslan, Russia and killed 344 civilians, over half of them children, I speculated on the next terrorist target that would raise the stakes in atrocities. I guessed hospitals, and shortly thereafter a Palestinian woman traveling into Israel for free medical treatment to remove her horrific burn scars was caught wearing a suicide bomb vest that she intended to use against those who were planning on helping her.

Now, we see another logical extension of that plan -- to keep escalating the horror, the terror, the atrocities. Now the terrorists are not disaffected poor or religious fanatics, but doctors -- highly-trained, highly-educated professionals who, by rights, should be able to "write their own ticket" anywhere in the world.

This comes on the heels of other reminders of the nature of our enemy. In Afghanistan, Taliban forces tried to trick and coerce a six-year-old boy into becoming a suicide bomber. And in Iraq, US and Iraqi forces have discovered a village that did not adequately support the local branch of Al Qaeda in Iraq, and paid for it with their lives -- every single man, woman, child, and animal was butchered.

This is what we face in the world today. A foe who literally respects no boundaries -- moral, ethical, geographic, political. A foe that recognizes them as artificial, only binding on his enemy -- us. The goal is conquest by the sword -- and the bomb, and the bullet, and the rocket, and the missile, and anything else that will feed their insatiable bloodlust.

The arguments about how this came about, and whether it is the fault of appeasers like Jimmy Carter or aggressors like George W. Bush are a luxury that we can ill afford. The indisputable fact remains that this is the situation we find ourselves in, and we need to deal with it NOW.

The goal of our enemy does not end in Iraq, or the Middle East, or anywhere on earth. If we simply grant their demands and withdraw from that region, the best we can hope for is a respite while they consolidate their gains and amass a new list of demands and grievances.

Further, we would be condemning countless more innocents to the same fate as those from that village outside Baqubah.

Another fun consequence of withdrawing our forces and support from the region could very well be the first use of nuclear weapons in over 60 years. Israel -- the sole functioning democracy in that region, filled with people whose contributions to the world cannot be underestimated and who literally made the deserts bloom -- would be the next target. Without our support, she would most likely invoke the "Samson option" and unleash her long-known but never formally acknowledged nuclear arsenal, attempting to bring down her enemies with her.

We are fighting them in Iraq because that's where they are, and they are fighting us there because that's where we are. There is nothing sacred about Iraq to either side, despite the proclamations of many. We chose it as the battleground for a variety of reasons: it was ideally placed, geographically, being smack dab in the middle of the Middle East, adjacent to Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia; it had a large, well-educated populace that had been brutally oppressed for far too long; it had a healthy dose of Kurds, a group that (despite past shabby treatment) was favorably inclined towards us; and we had over a decade of provocations and justifications that gave us the legalistic "fig leaf" that some felt were necessary before we could do what needed to be done. And enough lawmakers from both sides of the aisle -- 77 Senators and 296 Representatives -- agreed and put their own names to the resolution.

That is the shape of the world today. We are fighting them now. If we stop fighting them now, then we will surely fight them tomorrow -- and at a time and place and manner of their choosing. They are already trying to take back the initiative, as their recent attempts in London and Glasgow show -- and prior successes in London, in Madrid, in Bali, in many other places around the world.

I don't know how we can win this struggle. I don't even know how we will know when we've won. But I do know what it means if we lose. It means more villages like the one Michael Yon visited outside Baqubah, Iraq. It means more tyrannies like Afghanistan under the Taliban. It means the savages already wreaking havoc possessing -- and using -- nuclear weapons. It means the end of Israel. It means the riots that wracked France will return and the flames of hundreds of cars will grow to inflame the entire nation. It means that Thailand, the Philippines, large portions of Africa, and countless other places will be brought to Islam by the sword. It means that Muslims all around the world will demand -- and get -- the protection of Shariah law, and even non-Muslims will have to abide by the strictures regarding blasphemy, dress codes, codes of conduct, codes that govern all aspects of life, out of fear of "offending" the Muslims among them.

I don't believe that will come to pass. I don't believe that militant Islam can conquer America and the rest of the world. I don't fear that I -- or future generations -- will be brought to Islam by the sword.

But I do believe that the price we will pay to secure that inevitable victory will be high -- and if we don't pay that price now, it will only be higher in the future.


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Comments (53)

Just as more than half of a... (Below threshold)

Just as more than half of all Muslims in Britain consider themselves "Muslims FIRST, and Britains SECOND", these "Doctors" obviously consider themselves "Muslims FIRST and Doctors SECOND"

In fact, to these and other morons of their ilk, they are Muslims FIRST and EVERTHING ELSE SECOND!

Islam supersedes the Hypocr... (Below threshold)

Islam supersedes the Hypocratic Oath.

Oops, I meant "the unnamed diverse ethnicity of some groups supersedes the Hypocratic Oath."

These people still live in ... (Below threshold)

These people still live in the dark ages. They are less civil then animals. Most don't have the least idea what the rest of the world does around them. They only know what the socalled people in charge want them to know. The only way to deal with this type of foe is force. Time to start using a bigger stick when we "speak" to them.

Jay, you're pretty much jus... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

Jay, you're pretty much just going to have to give up and deal with the fact that a horrific number of additional people are going to be killed before enough people get it through their heads that we have a problem.

It's easier for them to just stick their heads in the sand and blame it all on domestic political rivals, rather than think people out there want to kill them simply for being who they are.

While the Dr's oath is diff... (Below threshold)

While the Dr's oath is different than the oath our elected critters take when they assume office, seems like all kinds of people ignore their oath.

I still think Bush's second mistake was stopping in Iraq! We should have rolled through Iran and Syria, and just maybe this BS would be over with.

And a good point Jay, how will anyone know that we won? Unless we take the gloves off, and use unlimited force, we may fight this battle for many years. Since the military is having a hard time recruiting soldiers, perhaps the draft will come back.

I don't know that using "un... (Below threshold)

I don't know that using "unlimited" force or compromising all our principles are necessary to win this battle. I do believe that we have to re-evaluate certain things we hold dear to varying degrees and make some compromises based on how dear we hold them - and then have the wisdom to realize when it is no longer necessary to make those compromises in order to ensure our survival. This is no mean feat.

Of course, different people have different ideas on what we should compromise. Torture is one of them we have been round and round on. But, while we are willing to define torture in more succinct terms and act to employ that which may be abhorent under normal circumstances, when applied to the very issue of the extreme tortures employed by our enemy, it pales in comparison. Lines are still drawn though and we are able retain some level of humanity and respectability.

This is not all or nothing. We need to explore gray areas. We HAVE to.

Now I'm fully expecting someone to pipe in and make my words sound more extreme than they are and try to force my hand in describing what I think is acceptable so they can later berate me for it. I won't fall into this trap. There are people much more qualified than I to make those decisions and I will defer to them and hope that I can at least be informed of their decisions, whether I agree or not.

Torture is only one contentuous issue. But as long as we are up against an enemy, to which nothing, absolutely nothing, is sacred, we are doomed to extinction if we continue to demand perfection and give no leeway to those who would have the bravery and courage to fight on our behalf against those who would force us all to their will or just as soon see us die in the most horrible way they can dream up.

JayThe indis... (Below threshold)


The indisputable fact remains that this is the situation we find ourselves in, and we need to deal with it NOW.

Well said.

AllenSince t... (Below threshold)


Since the military is having a hard time recruiting soldiers, perhaps the draft will come back.


Jay writes, "and if we don'... (Below threshold)
Just a Friend:

Jay writes, "and if we don't pay that price now, it will only be higher in the future."

Since he uses the term "we" what is Jay doing today to "pay that price?"

Can Jay and anyone else reading Wizbang, honestly look in the mirror and say, "I did my part today, I paid the price."

Try doing it for a week, until you can no longer face yourself in the mirror.

Islam can win. Simply thro... (Below threshold)

Islam can win. Simply through demographics -- the only thing Islam can do well is breed.

Of course, such a victory would be a disaster for humanity. Islam is a parasite living off the hosts of other cultures. All the things we take for granted, science, technology, compassion for strangers, democracy, capitalism, etc, would be lost in a world ruled by Sharia.

Nice "chickenhawk" type sta... (Below threshold)

Nice "chickenhawk" type statement there JAF. Douche.

No Friend Of Mine:... (Below threshold)

No Friend Of Mine:

You do me a tremendous compliment, saying that what this broken-down wreck of a man does will make all the difference in the world as to the truth of what I say. But I really must decline the honor.

In addition to what Duncan said, see also "shooting the messenger." Doesn't make the message any less true, but it might make you feel a smidgen better.


Denial is such a wonderful thing, is it not?


JAF,Do I get credi... (Below threshold)
U.P. Man:


Do I get credit for 20 years service? Or is the fact that I hit the retirment mandate and retired 2 years ago take that away?

President GWB is our "aggre... (Below threshold)

President GWB is our "aggressor" towards Islam?......We better find more competent leadership than this.

Jay, I think you should fee... (Below threshold)

Jay, I think you should feel proud that the voting spammers seem to have chosen you over even Lorie to attack.

I think all the "doctors" involved in the UK attacks were young ones with little real life experience. Sadly, the ones with many years experience in UK and US from "Asian" backgrounds will suffer the backlash, perhaps an intended result of this plot.

Not a Proud American:... (Below threshold)

Not a Proud American:

You have obviously done nothing worthwhile to earn the freedom of speech we enjoy in this great Nation of ours. You only abuse it and choose to forget that you are speaking to real people, human beings, on this blog. Spouting thoughtlessness and arrogance will never make a powerful statement toward the peace that we all want.

Some of us would have been willing to pay that "ultimate" price but were unable to because of limitations. This is a day of celebration of the freedoms we do experience and take for granted every day. So, in spite of your dour "high note" in the midst of what should be a day of joy and commemoration, I am going to celebrate with another "popper". "Shake it up and slam it!"

Happy Independence Day, Jay! Nice post!

"Nice "chickenhawk" type st... (Below threshold)
Just a Friend:

"Nice "chickenhawk" type statement there JAF. Douche."

I have to say whomever developed the "yell chickenhawk" defense came up with a rebuttal that sure makes people feel good. Whenever you feel that intrusion into your zone of safety you yell out chickenhawk.

"Do I get credit for 20 years service? Or is the fact that I hit the retirment mandate and retired 2 years ago take that away?"

You get "credit" for yesterday but not "today" and certainly not next week. Did Islamic Facism stop when you retired? "Retirment mandate," that is a new term. US Code allows enlisted soldiers to serve until age 60 and officers until 28/32 years of commissioned service. Have you heard about retiree voluntary mobilizations? I am sure that you are a highly talented individual with 20 years of service. Why not put that service back to good use for the cause and put the uniform back on? Or is up to someone else? Or is Islamic Facism not such a threat?


"saying that what this broken-down wreck of a man"

You are doing yourself a disservice. In 20 years when your children or grandchildren ask you what you did to defeat Isamic Facism do you want to tell them you were a blogger?

Have you actually taken the effort to see what you can do to help the war effort. Have you gone through a MEPS physical? Have you contacted US Civilian Agencies to get a civilian job and go over? Have you put in an application with a contractor firm?

I do not think you as broken down as you think you are. Set the example for your peers, you will then be able to look in that mirror everyday.

"Some of us would have been... (Below threshold)
Just a Friend:

"Some of us would have been willing to pay that "ultimate" price but were unable to because of limitations."

No one is asking anyone to "pay the ultimate price."

The military, civilian agencies and contractors are looking for a few good cooks, drivers, programmers, mechanics and this that next thing. Those are important jobs that need to be filled in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Limitations" is a feel good cop out excuse worthy of a liberal. You will know that you tried after you have talked to a recruiter, talked to a recruiter at a civilian agency and talked to a contractor recruiter.

If I have children in 20 ye... (Below threshold)

If I have children in 20 years, it'll be a medical miracle, No Friend. I made sure of that already.

But I see you are still obsessed with ME. It's so much easier to attack me than refute my arguments, isn't it? Just for the sake of argument, No Friend, let's say that I'm a veteran with 2 Medals of Honor and a triple amputee from service. Or that I'm 19 and currently on leave from my third tour in Iraq. or I'm 24 with no job and a serious drug dependency.

How does any bit of that affect whether or not what I say is true?

The answer is, it doesn't. But since you are intellectually incapable of actually refuting my arguments, you find it much easier to make ad hominem attacks against me and those who agree with me. If you challenge us enough, maybe we'll shut up and you won't have to deal with the reality of what we're saying. That's a great strategy there.

Call me chickenhawk? Fine. Better than being a chickenshit like you.


Jay, do your readers a grea... (Below threshold)
Just a Friend:

Jay, do your readers a great service. Go down to a recruiting station and ask them about the options that are open to you, then write about it. Take the testing, then write about it. Take the physical then write about it. Then, if you decide not to swear in, write about it.
If age is an issue, ask them about the Guard. "Trust me," recruiters do not bite.

Do the same thing with a civilian agency, then do it with a contractor.

You might not take the final step, but a reader that otherwise thought they too were too old or too broken down just might do it.

""Limitations" is a feel... (Below threshold)

""Limitations" is a feel good cop out excuse worthy of a liberal. You will know that you tried after you have talked to a recruiter,"

Your presumptuous nature is also a waste of time. You know nothing about what the people here "have tried" (or actually done)except what you think you know. Don't bore me with your arrogance and ignorance.

No Friend, this is your las... (Below threshold)

No Friend, this is your last chance. You can discuss the ISSUE, or you can make one last comment about me.

Your call...


JAF, You jackass.... (Below threshold)


You jackass. My family and I HAVE sacrificed for this country, and my assumption is that I have spent more time in the Middle East than you have as many of your kind haven't spent more than a few hours outside of their mom's basement.

I am going to my own blog and write exactly what Jay said. Then, as Jay says, has anything about what Jay wrote changed? Hmm. Could you still write the drivel about "yell chickenhawk as if it is some kind of defense" line then to me? Someone that has apparently gone over some imaginary line in your mind of having "sacrificed enough"? Like I said above... douche.

JAF-Shut up, assho... (Below threshold)


Shut up, asshole.

"Since he uses the term "we" what is Jay doing today to "pay that price?""

The term "we" was used in the sense of us as a collective society. So the actions of a single person aren't really relevant in making Jay tea's point.

But since you asked, the answer is that every person here at Wizbang (except your fellow trolls) supports (and will continue to support) those in power that recognize the seriousness of the threat and are willing to do something about it, and not the candy asses that downplay the seriousness of the war on terror, like that dumbshit John Edwards.

"I have to say whomever developed the "yell chickenhawk" defense came up with a rebuttal that sure makes people feel good. Whenever you feel that intrusion into your zone of safety you yell out chickenhawk."

That's all well and good, but you've not said anything to suggest that your chickenhawk argument has any merit at all. As Jay Tea has said, its attacking the messenger, not the message. If you disagree that if we don't pay now we're going to pay later, please explain why.

You sound alot like the irrational retard Jim- any relation?

[continuing to NOT FEED THE... (Below threshold)

[continuing to NOT FEED THE TROLLS]

The "Oath" no longer is recited at most US medical schools - at least not in the unadulterated version you quote above. The anti-abortion line was one of the first to cause modern challenges in the 60's, and the anti-euthanasia, then respect-your-elders lines quickly followed as politically incorrect.

Historically there have always been physicians who have taken honorable warrior as well as despicable slime roles in violent conflict. These fellows deserve no awards, other than the Darwin Award. May they be deported and punished by Islamic Justice in their countries of origin. I'd favor disembowelment and dismemberment for their punishment, which would be relatively equivalent to the pain and suffering they were planning to inflict.

JAFYou ignore the ma... (Below threshold)

You ignore the massive private sector infrastructure that supports, builds, cretaes, discovers and delivers what the world's greatest millitary needs. And, yes, they profit from it, as they should.
Taking your witless, inane, and clearly prvocative prattling to its ultimate conclusion would have had Einstein, Oppenheimer and Teller storming the beaches at Guadalcanal. I thank God our leaders put them in the lab and industry. I'm glad Murrow was given a microphone and not a rifle. The list is endless...

Hey Jay...did you notice th... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Hey Jay...did you notice the posting about Gore's kid? ...I remember you rightfully telling me the children are off limits....(or is that limited to Republicans?)...anyway
Happy 4th

nogo the ------------------... (Below threshold)

nogo the -------------------- rhymes with.

I'm posting this again beca... (Below threshold)

I'm posting this again because I left out my final sentence, and it is now spell checked.

You ignore the massive private sector infrastructure that supports, builds, creates, discovers and delivers what the world's greatest military needs. And, yes, they profit from it, as they should.
Taking your witless, inane, and clearly provocative prattling to its ultimate conclusion would have had Einstein, Oppenheimer and Teller storming the beaches at Guadalcanal. I thank God our leaders put them in the lab and industry. I'm glad Murrow was given a microphone and not a rifle. The list is endless...

I'm thankful for Henry Kaiser. Look it up.

perhaps the draft ... (Below threshold)
perhaps the draft will come back.

Why are so many people so enthusiastic about this?

We meet our recruiting goals. If we need to grow the military and can't meet our recruiting and retention goals, the answer is to increase the pay and benefits. Not implement a draft.

How would you like it if the company you worked for needed ten new employees, and instead of recruting them, you appealed to the government to fill those needs?

So, the government goes out and grabs two or three out of college, a couple off the streets downtown, two who just started a business, one who just got out of high school and was happy loafing and doing nothing, a couple more who had been working quite happily and prosperously in a company, then sent them to you for four years.

Bet those guys would be quite happy and productive employees for your company.

Why would you want to impose that on the military, that doesn't want a draft?

JAF should and can not be a... (Below threshold)

JAF should and can not be answered because he is not asking a question. It is just more liberal bleating.

The real answer is private ... (Below threshold)

The real answer is private armies to defend our cities and towns... yeah, that's it, our own private armies we man and pay for ourselves...great idea...

my son is in afganastan ;~(... (Below threshold)

my son is in afganastan ;~( i want to see him... screw bush!!!!! i want to see my baby.

how can you assholes sleep ... (Below threshold)

how can you assholes sleep at nigt?

RPLY, U ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!... (Below threshold)

RPLY, U ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The draft isn't coming back... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

The draft isn't coming back, and no one hates the idea of the draft more than the military. We don't want a bunch of people who don't want to be there.

Few things annoy me more than, oh, hell, Charlie Rangel I think it was, repeatedly reintroducing a draft bill and then going on college speaking tours trying to scare students because "they" reintroduced a draft bill, without telling people that HE did it.

Mama, please, thank your so... (Below threshold)

Mama, please, thank your son for his valor and service. Thank you for raising a son who felt the call of duty and service.

Few things annoy m... (Below threshold)
Few things annoy me more than, oh, hell, Charlie Rangel I think it was, repeatedly reintroducing a draft bill and then going on college speaking tours trying to scare students because "they" reintroduced a draft bill, without telling people that HE did it.

Oh gosh, yes. Just in the past couple of weeks I saw a survey where it indicated people think the Republicans will implement the draft!

That's a good bit of sleight of hand on the demos part.

Mama, have you seen this po... (Below threshold)

Mama, have you seen this post on Wizbang: Nearly 600 U.S. Troops Reenlist in Baghdad on Independence Day

Why would they do that, even when their Mom's, wives, kids, family all want them back at home?

Doesn't that give you all t... (Below threshold)

Doesn't that give you all the confidence in the world when you go see any Doctor from the Middle East? Not this old bird, if they can't speak english (that I can understand) I will not put my life in their hands. I also check they medical certificates to 'practice' medicine. Medical schools on an unknown island is not a great recommendation to allow them to Practice in this country. $5,000 or less will buy you a medical degree in any field. I put that in the class with the $35 license to preach. Now we'll have to investigate every death that has occured when the attending doctor was an Islamic nut. They've most likely been killing people (patients) by the thousands.

Mamma want to see her baby.... (Below threshold)

Mamma want to see her baby. A grown man with the balls to join the military. Do you have to wonder why so many Vets stick a shotgun in their mouth and blow their brains all over the ceiling. Mamma's like this would make anyone do it. Is she looking for his life insurance money?

This whole Mama thing is wh... (Below threshold)

This whole Mama thing is what has annoyed me so much with the Cindy Sheehan circus.

Her son was in the Army before 9/11, before we went to Iraq. He shipped over after we went to Iraq,knowing full good and well he would go to Iraq.

He was an ADULT. He did it of his own free will with full knowledge of what it entailed.

Yet, his Mom wanted to blame everyone but the enemy who actually killed him for his death. She never acknowledged that her son was an intelligent, capable, grownup who made a decision of his own accord. She made it as though her son was somehow conned, cheated, tricked or coerced into making his choice.

Yo Mama can't spell Afghani... (Below threshold)

Yo Mama can't spell Afghanistan; what the hell you doin' there?

for your god damn informati... (Below threshold)

for your god damn information i failed english class, bitch!

kim, what the hell is your ... (Below threshold)

kim, what the hell is your problem?

my boy worked his butt of..... (Below threshold)

my boy worked his butt of... either shut your hole, or i'll kick your ASS!

kim, damn you. REPLY...or g... (Below threshold)

kim, damn you. REPLY...or go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

John, i have not seen that ... (Below threshold)

John, i have not seen that site...i need my rest, my eyes are sore 4 crying too hard. i miss my baby. do you know what it's like 2 have a son at war? it hurts. thx 4 your support, though.

can anyone tell me how much... (Below threshold)

can anyone tell me how much of a screw-ball that fucker bush is? any takers? i do!

yo, 'bigboobs' , ... (Below threshold)

yo, 'bigboobs' , i agree w/ you! 100%!
...and change your name to something else please?!

whats wrong with bigboobs?<... (Below threshold)

whats wrong with bigboobs?

So, mama, why did your boy ... (Below threshold)

So, mama, why did your boy want to go over there?

so he can let you walk on t... (Below threshold)

so he can let you walk on the streets free!






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