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Wizbang Primary II

In an earlier thread regarding me voting for my dog, Nehemiah suggested revisiting the primary again, this time matching President Bush against the remaining contenders. So, I am presenting the primary scenario again, this time with the following hypothetical tickets:

[] Hillary Clinton, New York
[] Barack Obama, Illinois

[] John McCain, Arizona
[] Mike Huckabee, Arkansas
[] Ron Paul, Texas
[] George W. Bush, Texas

Also, treat this primary as "closed", and vote only in your identified party. No crossovers, please.

This might be interesting.


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GWB from those choices.... (Below threshold)

GWB from those choices.

Holding nose, John McCain</... (Below threshold)

Holding nose, John McCain

[R] - None of the above... (Below threshold)

[R] - None of the above

Come the actual election it depends on who McCain picks as a running mate to see if I cross over to the liberal side (as he probably won't make it all the way through his first term).

Based on my ten minutes as ... (Below threshold)

Based on my ten minutes as a registered Republican last month (for the New Hampshire primary), I'm gonna have to say Bush as well. But that's strictly by the process of elimination, not a matter of preference.


Dubya... (Below threshold)


GWB, easily. Like him or no... (Below threshold)

GWB, easily. Like him or not, he has managed to keep the ship of state afloat. (No thanks to Congress...grrrr) Besides, it'll take 20 years to even begin to determine if GWB was right on or not. Nobody thought Reagan was doing the right thing vis-a-vis the Soviets back in the 80s, but look how that turned out.

George W Bush... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

George W Bush

[R] - Bush. I haven't alwa... (Below threshold)

[R] - Bush. I haven't always been happy with him, but he's the best choice up there by far.

George W. Bush owns a ranch... (Below threshold)
Where's Ronald Reagan?:

George W. Bush owns a ranch in Texas.

He is a real cowboy.

Cowboys are hardworkin' good guys.

I will vote for George W. Bush.

GWB, in spite of his flaws ... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

GWB, in spite of his flaws because he is a known CIC vs. the unknown, and is more conservative/stable than McCain. Also, his admin is finally enforcing some immigration laws.

GWB... (Below threshold)


W... (Below threshold)
Usful Ijit:


Fot JT, I'll write in Fred.... (Below threshold)

Fot JT, I'll write in Fred.

Clinton... (Below threshold)


GW... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:


Patrick, were you the wimp ... (Below threshold)

Patrick, were you the wimp that the other wimps picked on?

Bush... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:


epador, Fred endorsed McCai... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

epador, Fred endorsed McCain. So that makes you a McCainiac?

Dubya. With those ch... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

With those choices, it's not even close.

Hold nose, retch into my mo... (Below threshold)
Brian The Adequate:

Hold nose, retch into my mouth and under protest wanting better choices I vote for McCain.

With Stevens and Ginsburg halfway dead, gotta vote for the most electable person with the POSSIBILITY they will appoint Justices with at least partial understanding of the constitution.

I'd vote for GWB. Interesti... (Below threshold)

I'd vote for GWB. Interesting thought process...

Well, if he could run again... (Below threshold)

Well, if he could run again, I too would vote for GWB, but I thought this was supposed to be based on real possibility. :}

Judging by the answers here... (Below threshold)

Judging by the answers here, I predict Wizbangblue will be putting up a post ridiculing the majority choice here.

Lemme see. It'll go something like this:

"the lock-stepping Bush worshipers" - "the reality challenged Bushies" or maybe even "xenophobic right-wing whack-jobs".

Might as well give them the fodder they love so much and go with Bush myself. As civildisobedience said; he's a known.

Wow - as much as I'd like a... (Below threshold)

Wow - as much as I'd like another choice, I would hold my nose and vote for Dubya. Just to see the lefty moonbats explode...

I am grateful to GW for kee... (Below threshold)

I am grateful to GW for keeping me and my family safe. I cannot even imagine how Obama or Hillary would have reacted to 9/11 and the GWOT. ww

GW Bush - no doubt at all!<... (Below threshold)

GW Bush - no doubt at all!

WHe is predictable... (Below threshold)


He is predictable, and the rest of the field is not.

Obama. Enough with this pan... (Below threshold)

Obama. Enough with this pandering to the rich white Christian special interest group.

Obama. No quicker way to d... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Obama. No quicker way to destroy the democrats and get them swept from office.

'W' easy choiceDon... (Below threshold)

'W' easy choice

Don't agree with many of things Bush did.

But great on Taxes, judges, national defense, etc.

now with a dem congess he's getting better on spending.

as for immigration, drug benefits, etc. he said he was going to do those things while running for office.

They are all for open borde... (Below threshold)

They are all for open borders and amnesty 7 years after 9-11,accept maybe Paul. One is even delivering 1.6 billion dollars to the corrupt government of Mexico.

Sad to say none of the above. If McCain lives long enough to be elected, I will have to write in someone.

W.... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:


McCain... I'd rather have 2... (Below threshold)

McCain... I'd rather have 2 more Justice Kennedys than 2 more Justice Ginsburgs.

McCain's your only choice, ... (Below threshold)

McCain's your only choice, you might as well put Reagan or Lincoln up there as any of the rest of your choices.

He's the best choice, anyways.

;-) DJ: Can't trade votes u... (Below threshold)

;-) DJ: Can't trade votes unless u change the rules. I wrote in Fred, a wasted vote in tribute to JT. If I wanted to vote for JM I would have.

I understand, epador. I'm ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I understand, epador. I'm curious, though - what do you think of Fred playing kissbutt to the Arch-Weasel?

Personally, I'm disappointed, I thought Fred had higher standards ...

John McCain with what's up ... (Below threshold)

John McCain with what's up there.

Write-ins would be Fred and Rudy.

(R)Easy answer- Du... (Below threshold)


Easy answer- Dubya.

Easy: Bush... (Below threshold)

Easy: Bush

I wonder what state My Boaz... (Below threshold)

I wonder what state My Boaz's Ruth lives in? ww

GWB... (Below threshold)


President George W Bush -- ... (Below threshold)

President George W Bush -- the most courageous, visionary president in my lifetime!

McCain - nope. Only the la... (Below threshold)

McCain - nope. Only the label says republican. The (R) after his name should have very stubby legs and larger enclosed area.
Paul - nope. Sorry, foreign policy is too important at this juncture.
Huckabee - nope. Not really certain about him. His support of the FairTax is interesting and he's the only option of the 3 listed so far that have executive experience.

GWB - only option left so yeah. Even if not a fiscal conservative, he's the least worst of the 4.

McCain- He may be an SOB, b... (Below threshold)

McCain- He may be an SOB, but he's our SOB!

(Despite what your poll say... (Below threshold)

(Despite what your poll says, W ain't running!)

You're kinda weak on hypoth... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

You're kinda weak on hypothetical concepts, huh 'Proof'?

And McCain is not "our" guy, according to most Conservatives. And Judges Pickering, Owens, et al.

Under those choices, and I ... (Below threshold)

Under those choices, and I can't believe I would ever say this, Bush gets the vote. And the problem here is that even with his very low approval, he is still better than the rest. Here in lays the dilemma for both republicans and conservatives. We want more substance and convictions. The Dems don't have any problems like that.

George Bush... (Below threshold)

George Bush

DJ,Thanks for maki... (Below threshold)


Thanks for making this a thread. You know who I support. President George W. Bush, no contest.

[R] - GWB... (Below threshold)

[R] - GWB

In this particular Primary,... (Below threshold)

In this particular Primary, GWB

George W. Bush. All the way... (Below threshold)
Dave W:

George W. Bush. All the way. George W looks so far to the right in this group of candidates. He's actually the only person who isn't a total liberal in that list. Ron Paul is as isolationist as a lib, Huckabee was Mr. Amnesty and Tax raiser while governor and McCain is McCain.

Let's get Huckabee on the b... (Below threshold)
Alan Orfi:

Let's get Huckabee on the board with at least one vote.

As much as I'd prefer not t... (Below threshold)

As much as I'd prefer not to, W. He's a known quantity: when he's good he's pretty good, and when he's bad he's ...manageable.

DJ: When I heard that Fred had endorsed Juan McAmnesty, I was pretty deflated -- like you said: I thought Fred had higher standards. Then I found the actual text of his "endorsement":

This is no longer about past preferences or differences. It is about what is best for our country and for me that means that Republicans should close ranks behind John McCain.

Frankly, that sounds to me like, "better we vote for our SOB then let some collectivist take the helm." More like a party-rallying call than a "hot damn, that's my man."

GWB - #43We will m... (Below threshold)

GWB - #43

We will miss him!

I am voting for the ... (Below threshold)

I am voting for the guy they're running against: President George Walker Bush!

W... (Below threshold)
La Mano:


Dubya... (Below threshold)


W always!... (Below threshold)

W always!

For those who have chosen M... (Below threshold)

For those who have chosen McCain, are you aware of the following ?

From a piece written in 2001,

"While Timothy Noah was interviewing the senator [McCain] about another topic in 1987, the conversation turned to a piece that Noah had written a year earlier for The Washington Monthly calling for a draft: "McCain said very straightforwardly that he believed in compulsory national service," Noah recalls.


DJ,Again, thank yo... (Below threshold)


Again, thank you for making this a thread. Since the last vote was now about six hours ago and this thread is moving down due to chronological reasons, I'd like to make a comment.

The apparent landslide above shows maybe why Presidents are judged differently 20 years afterward. I think it is at least partially because reality sets in. If we are comparing President Bush to some ideal conservative, maybe his approval would be at 25%, but what happens is that when time passes, reality sets in. And the current reality is John McCain -- and in those circumstances we realize that we didn't know just how good we had it. But is McCain an unusually bad reality that doesn't normally happen? I don't think so. The best way to compare is to compare to the reality of the past -- If President George W. Bush could run hypothetically not only in 2008 (which he overwhelmingly won), but in all other presidential election years, how would he do? I think he would do exceptionally well. He would lose in 1980 and 1984 to Reagan (and correctly), but he may win most other election years (I am certainly interested in your opinion on this). Would he win in 1960 against Nixon and Kennedy? Would he win against FDR?

Reality (not some fantasy ideal) will show in 20 years that we had it awfully good with President Bush.

Sorry to post again, but I ... (Below threshold)

Sorry to post again, but I feel (as you do) strongly about this topic.

In other words, what showed the greatness of Reagan was not only what eventually happened with with Soviets, but what happened with the U.S. -- and what happened to the U.S. was George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. I dare say that the most important thing that led us to appreciate greatness of Reagan was the ineptness of George H.W. Bush. And what led us to see the easy grace and class of Reagan so clearly was the dime-a-dozen cheapness that is Bill Clinton.

You're kinda weak on hyp... (Below threshold)

You're kinda weak on hypothetical concepts, huh 'Proof'?
And you are a bit humor impaired.
The line was a take off on HST's "He's our SOB" line.
As to the "hypothetical" there are six names, five of whom are actually running. (Hmmm! Not much hypothetical there! )

'Proof', you would miss the... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

'Proof', you would miss the point in a needle factory!






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