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John Kerry: Lying about Vietnam Vets to make their lives better!

Well, whaddya know. Apparently, accusing his fellow Vietnam war vets of raping, murdering, electrocuting, dismembering, torturing, mutilating, etc., innocent civilians was all because he just cared so gosh darn much. He wanted to bring about a policy change, darn it, and smearing his fellow soldiers was the best way to do it.

It's just too bad that the rest of us idiots aren't as learned as Jawn Carry is and couldn't understand what he was trying to do.

From Kerry's website:

John Kerry entered public life because of a burning desire to help people. Having seen bad decisions made in Washington that put too many people at risk in combat, he was determined to do better. Coming back from the Vietnam War, where he served two tours of duty and was highly decorated for bravery, he felt a responsibility to help his buddies still in Vietnam and all of the other servicemen there by working to bring about a change in policy in what was a war gone wrong.

Emphasis mine, of course.

Um... explain to me how blatantly lying about "his buddies" improved their situation in Vietnam, because I'm not seeing it. Frankly, John Kerry and his Winter Soldier friends could probably be charged with treason, because his actions stateside surely aided and emboldened the enemy.

And, if I'm correct, didn't Kerry serve one tour of duty in Vietnam? Maybe I'm wrong here, but if memory serves me right, he was only in Vietnam once.

I guess when John Kerry, and liberals like him (hello, Barack Obama) smear you, lie about you, and deride you, you should just remind yourself that likely, it's for your own good. They know better than you do. There's a plan, people. We're just too gosh darn stoopid to know what it is, so we should just trust in their infinite wisdom. Right?


Hat Tip: Blackfive


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Comments (30)

didn't Kerry serve one t... (Below threshold)

didn't Kerry serve one tour of duty in Vietnam? Four months. Followed by a Road Runner like cloud of dust as he hauled his "rose-thorn" scarred ass out of the country and got in front of as many cameras as he could to lie about the men he left behind!

I believe he did serve a ye... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I believe he did serve a year on a ship which was stationed off Vietnam's coast. NOWHERE NEAR THE ACTION. It has been a while.

One of my life's goals is t... (Below threshold)

One of my life's goals is to live long enough to piss on his grave.

One of my life's goals i... (Below threshold)

One of my life's goals is to live long enough to piss on his grave.
You sure you want to stand in line that long??

If it's necessary.... (Below threshold)

If it's necessary.

Piss quick and move on. I'l... (Below threshold)

Piss quick and move on. I'll be there to. Vietnam 70-71 for a full tour. They had better put him in a fancy bronze casket and a steel vault or he'll float out of the ground, or maybe he's so full of BS it'll hold him down.

Making threats on the inter... (Below threshold)

Making threats on the internet really impresses us, "truth". Not.

In all reality, war brings ... (Below threshold)

In all reality, war brings out the very worst in men, who do some terrible things. My grandfather was a civilian ship captain of the Ipswitch and was brutally flogged by the Japanese after his ship was captured for bringing supplies to the American and British forces. My dad worked at an American POW camp during the Korean War and witnessed a few bad things that he felt was wrong. I knew a Vietnam vet who is still disturbed today at the dismemberment of a Viet Cong prisoner by his American captors in an effort to get information. and certainly John McCain and other prisoners of the North Vietnamese faced some terrible conduct by their captors as well.

During WWII, only about 5% of the Germans who invaded Russia came out of Soviet POW camps alive because of their treatment. In the battle of Berlin, many Germans rushed to be captured by Allied forces rather than to face capture by the Russians. The Americans were expected to behave far more civil than the Russians.

Regardless of what one really thinks about John Kerry, the honest truth is that all sides tend to de some very bad things during wartime that offend human decency.

Oh, and by the way, "truth"... (Below threshold)

Oh, and by the way, "truth", plagiarism is lame.

Ah, that's the class act of... (Below threshold)

Ah, that's the class act of a Kerry supporter.

So is lying doesn't stop yo... (Below threshold)
the truth:

So is lying doesn't stop you fucks.

that was from wikipedia btw. Now no plagiarism. You peope are still lying shits.
notiz=clean up your act. Now.

Ah yes Threatning to piss o... (Below threshold)
the truth:

Ah yes Threatning to piss on a war heroes grave is very classy. How can i compete with such class. I guess I have to just stoop to your level.

Wikipedia? Great, you "pro... (Below threshold)

Wikipedia? Great, you "prove" something ( can't figure out what since it is not responsive to anything in the post ) with a resource that can be edited by anyone - including John Kerry himself.

A resource that cites often in fact to a biography of Kerry that has been shown to be false, as admitted by the author.

And you top it off with the foul mouth we've learned to expect from a Kerry supporter.

Your right I need to clean ... (Below threshold)
the truth:

Your right I need to clean up my mouth. I will limit it to pissing on you. that's acceptable right?

Oh and I notice unlike me you brought in no sources for your argument. Which just further proves what a moron you are.

"truth", Beldar <a href="ht... (Below threshold)

"truth", Beldar showed how unreliable Brinkley's vanity bio was for you more than four years ago, hows that for prescient?

Back in 2004, Beldar was among many bloggers who showed how unreliabile Kerry was in describing his time in Vietnam.

Their work has not be debunked, certainly not by anything in Wikipedia.

JT troll hammar perhaps?</p... (Below threshold)

JT troll hammar perhaps?

What's not in dispute is Ke... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

What's not in dispute is Kerry's own words and actions after he returned to the U.S. Kerry's was never able to sustain any of the accusations he made against the troops. He publicly denounced the medals he was awarded, and has been indisputably caught in lies about his service. Kerry has never released his full service record to the public, particularly his original discharge which would have be issued no later than 1975. The 1978 discharge on the Kerry Web site is from the Carter administration and is a substitute for the original, which was not an honorable discharge.

Like Benedict Arnold, Kerry's earlier service to the nation was overshadowed by his later acts, acts some argue are treasonous. Kerry's no war hero, no hero of any sort.

"Oh and I notice unlike ... (Below threshold)

"Oh and I notice unlike me you brought in no sources for your argument. Which just further proves what a moron you are."

I missed the "sources argument," which appears to have been deleted. Kerry just continues to keep pulling bad moves under the guise of well-meaning efforts. He might still be thinking about running for President again. Another bad move.

Kerry obviously is sufferin... (Below threshold)

Kerry obviously is suffering from Botoxic inflamation of the ego.

Why dont He just go away back to what He's good at? ...........wait... there is nothing? accept maybe....Golddigging?

Yeah, I'm still waiting for... (Below threshold)

Yeah, I'm still waiting for Kerry to release "all" of his military records......but I'm not holding my breath.

What war hero? We're talkin... (Below threshold)

What war hero? We're talking about Kerry! A thing about a war hero, you can't claim the title yourself, and merely going over and serving, to me, isn't enough. I am a veteran, but I did nothing of note particularly. I would not call myself a war hero.

I was thinking about this in consideration of a news story that came out recently, you might have heard of it... a soldier in Iraq had one of his legs blown off. He got an artificial leg, a fairly advanced one, and went back to active duty. He's the first full leg amputee to go back to service, and his story has inspired hope in many other such men who are struggling to get the military to allow them to go back.

That's a war hero.

Kerry is anything but a war... (Below threshold)

Kerry is anything but a war hero. If the liberal lefties believe he is they are deluded. Kerry was making a calculated political move. Paul, you should know better then to compare US service men to soviets. Shame on you. ww

FYI, my comment 7 and 9 abo... (Below threshold)

FYI, my comment 7 and 9 above do not make sense now, because of some intervening comments being (quite appropriately) removed.

Thx SPQRWas wonder... (Below threshold)


Was wondering about that? Thought maybe You were having a discussion with the invisible Troll.

Not this time, 914, I have ... (Below threshold)

Not this time, 914, I have an alibi.

Threatning (sic) to piss... (Below threshold)

Threatning (sic) to piss on a war heroes grave is very classy. Oh! You mean the North Vietnamese's war hero! They have honored both Kerry and Hanoi Jane Fonda for their efforts.

American war hero? John "Genghis Khan" Kerry?? Not so much!

Wow. Now I understand. Than... (Below threshold)

Wow. Now I understand. Thanks very much for clearing that up for me, Cassie. Here I thought the guy was just a self-absorbed jerk.

SPQR was arguing with a mur... (Below threshold)

SPQR was arguing with a murderous potty mouth troll. That is what lead to my troll hammar comment.

I hear over and ov... (Below threshold)

I hear over and over that Kerry accused American soldiers of horrible acts. Here is the actual quote:
"I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do. They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

If he gets hammered for believing these claims then the 150 vets who actually made the accusations should also be blasted. I did not serve but worked with a few people that would occasionally talk about their experience there and at least half of them told disturbing stories that confirm what these vets said. The problem is not the majority of servicemen who served honorably, it is the denial by so many like the ones in this list who want to pretend that sort of thing did not happen and that the brass did not know about it. The Swifties have been discredited so many times I get nauseated when I hear their stories trotted out again. Critisize Kerry for his policies but get off the Jane Fonda bandwagon.

The Swifties ... (Below threshold)

The Swifties have been discredited so many
times I get nauseated when I hear their stories trotted out again.
Critisize Kerry for his policies but get off the Jane Fonda bandwagon.


Where ia your sources the Swifties have been
discredited so many times. If this is so then
why didn't your man Kerry take them to court?






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