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Sen. Harkin: a history of military service can be "dangerous"

Everyone knows about John McCain's brave and honorable military service in Vietnam. A lot of people know that he comes from a long line of military officers.

According to Senator Harkin, (D-IA), this is a bad thing. Not just bad, but potentially dangerous:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain's family background as the son and grandson of admirals has given him a worldview shaped by the military, "and he has a hard time thinking beyond that," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Ia., said Friday.

"I think he's trapped in that," Harkin said in a conference call with Iowa reporters. "Everything is looked at from his life experiences, from always having been in the military, and I think that can be pretty dangerous."

Harkin said that "it's one thing to have been drafted and served, but another thing when you come from generations of military people and that's just how you're steeped, how you've learned, how you've grown up."

A McCain spokesman said Harkin's remarks were offensive and showed that Democrats are out of touch with Americans' values.

"Senator Harkin's comments are an affront to the many thousands of Iowans who have served our country so valiantly for generations," said spokesman Jeff Sadosky. "This sort of attack shows just how out of touch Democratic leadership has become with the values that have made our country so great."

So serving in the military at all is bad as is, but you get a pass if you've been drafted. Only an uneducated idiot or a cruel, violent warmonger would volunteer to serve in the military, right?

And gosh, what a horrible way to be raised, in a military family! Imagine -- being raised with values like courage, integrity, honor, valor, selflessness, and sacrifice. How awful!

Of course, Senator Harkin is a liberal, so he probably doesn't understand those kinds of things.

Personally, having a Marine for a father and two grandfathers who served in the Navy (one as a career), I think growing up in a military family is pretty great. The military can instill values that you won't find anywhere else. You learn things and form bonds from military service that you won't find in anything else you will do. I can't convey the respect and admiration I have for those that serve enough. It's just unfortunate that libtards like Harkin can't understand it.

I'll let Ed have the last word:

This comes, of course, from the same party whose Senate Intelligence chair suggested that military pilots have little human feeling. It precedes an effort by the New York Times tomorrow, along with some of McCain's oh-so-courageous unnamed Senate colleagues, to suggest that McCain didn't really experience Vietnam because his five-plus years as a POW kept him from learning all of the lessons John Kerry experienced in his three months in a Swift Boat. This also comes from the same party that celebrated Kerry's military experience while denigrating George Bush's National Guard service. According to Harkin today, Bush would be a better candidate -- right?

If the Democrats want to party like it's 1968, that's their choice. The rest of America grew up. People stopped drinking the New Left Kool-aid a long time ago and quit treating veterans like baby-killers and Dr. Strangelove. Tom Harkin, Jay Rockefeller, the New York Times, and a good portion of the Left apparently never stopped.


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Comments (22)

Face it. Today's Democrats... (Below threshold)

Face it. Today's Democrats don't have a freaking clue what they believe about the military.

Let me see if I have this straight:

Bush 41/Clinton - military service doesn't matter

Clinton/Dole - military service doesn't matter

Gore/Bush - military service is important, and Gore served in Vietnam while Bush just flew around in airplanes in the National Guard

Bush/Kerry - military service is a critical factor in molding strong character, plus Kerry served in Vietnam while Bush was AWOL from the TANG, getting drunk and snorting coke

John McCain - military service destroys a man's character and turns him into a remorseless killing machine



CassyStop whipping... (Below threshold)


Stop whipping Harkin with a wet noodle.

You left out the most ironic context of his silly comments.


Maybe Harkin is jealous of ... (Below threshold)

Maybe Harkin is jealous of McCain for having the courage of his convictions. IMHO, Harkins is a mealy mouthed SOB who should be lined up against the wall, along with a few others too numerous to mention here and shot as the traitors they are.
notiz=You're out of line.

As an Iowan, I really want ... (Below threshold)

As an Iowan, I really want to apologize for Harkin. I would never vote for him but I guess some do. He is a very tough party hack. Talks and does only the party line as outlined by the Polosi/Reid/Dean group of fools. Once you become an incumbent in Iowa, you pretty much are there for life. So sad.

Harkin!? Of all the irony..... (Below threshold)

Harkin!? Of all the irony....someone who outright lied about his own military history (claiming things he never did to enhance his own past) criticizing McCain's past? There are a lot of things I don't like about McCain, but I damn sure respect what he did and what we went through as a n aviator and veteran.

I think politicians who lie about their past and will do or say anything to retain power is a far more threat. Harkin is useless human being.

So, if volunteering for the... (Below threshold)

So, if volunteering for the military is dangerous, what would you say about someone who volunteered to wield the power of a US Senator?
Which is the more dangerous?
Maybe we should get rid of all the Senators we have (at least the lame brained ones like Harkin) and draft 100 people out of the phone book?

Maybe we should g... (Below threshold)
Maybe we should get rid of all the Senators we have (at least the lame brained ones like Harkin) and draft 100 people out of the phone book?

Actually I think that's a good idea.

Just make sure it's not a B... (Below threshold)

Just make sure it's not a Berkeley or Madison phonebook

Very nice, Stan25. Summary ... (Below threshold)

Very nice, Stan25. Summary executions based on your humble opinion. How very patriotic. Apparently, the powers-that-be here at wizbang agree with you. Right, Maggie?

max:What exactly a... (Below threshold)


What exactly are you posting about?

What sort of crazy mindset ... (Below threshold)

What sort of crazy mindset do you have to have to apply for a job in which you have a better than 9% chance of being murdered in office?

"Maybe Harkin is jealous of... (Below threshold)

"Maybe Harkin is jealous of McCain for having the courage of his convictions. IMHO, Harkins is a mealy mouthed SOB who should be lined up against the wall, along with a few others too numerous to mention here and shot as the traitors they are.

3. Posted by Stan25 | May 17, 2008 12:18 PM"


Are you being dense on purpose?

Max:I asked you a ... (Below threshold)


I asked you a civil question, and if you can't
return the civility I can be a lot more
uncivil than you on Wizbang. Where you have
no control.
I'll be most glad to which ever you want, max.

Has anybody pointed out to ... (Below threshold)

Has anybody pointed out to Harkin all of our Presidents, save one, have served in the military?

You're right, Maggie. I cou... (Below threshold)

You're right, Maggie. I could have made my point without being an ass and I apologize for that. However, the point remains. I find it very hard to believe Stan25's post could have been read as anything but calling for the executions of everyone who says something he doesn't agree with. I thought your job was to weed out assholes like that. Am I to assume you wouldn't have a problem with someone calling for the assasination of Bush and Cheney? Let's look at it again.

"IMHO, Harkins is a mealy mouthed SOB who should be lined up against the wall, along with a few others too numerous to mention here and shot as the traitors they are."

Now, I've answered your questions. Will you tell me how that is not a call to violence?

max:That post got ... (Below threshold)


That post got past me, I have taken
care of it. Thanks.

Here is the really f... (Below threshold)

Here is the really funny part -
"But now McCain is running for a higher office. He's running for commander in chief, and our Constitution says that should be a civilian," Harkin said.

Either he thinks McCain is still on active service, or he thinks George Washington and a few others (A Jackson and D Eisenhower spring immediately to mind) were illegally elected.

Harkin is amazingly stupid.... (Below threshold)

Harkin is amazingly stupid. There just isn't any other explanation.

Harkin may be on to somethi... (Below threshold)

Harkin may be on to something ..

Look at Jimmy Carter .. an officer in the US Navy .. it did nothing for him.

Perhaps, neo, but we don't ... (Below threshold)

Perhaps, neo, but we don't need a lying fraud like Harkin to be informing us.

Just when you think a lefti... (Below threshold)

Just when you think a leftist can't possibly be more of a contemptible hypocrite, he leaps up and surprises you!

If you think posting a stor... (Below threshold)

If you think posting a story to demonstrate that the left hates the military, that is something all people know. Harkin saying this is not a surprise to me, if he would have said "I apologize about my partys slams on the military and from this day forward, I will always respect them" now that would be a news flash. ww






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