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Alert: Nationalizaton of Health Care in Stimulus Bill

***Bumped and Updated***

Tom Daschle knew the reason why Clinton failed with his socialized medicine is because he actually let the American people in on what he wanted to do. Daschle advised Obama to sneak it in, which is what he's done. Nationalization - and rationing - of health care is in the stimulus bill! Betsy McCaughy of Bloomberg has the details.

Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama's stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill's health rules will affect "every individual in the United States" (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and "guide" your doctor's decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis." According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and "learn to operate less like solo practitioners."

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

Read all of Betsy's article and then pass it on to everyone you know. Rush has been all over this today to bring it to people's attention. Call your senators and representatives. Currently, phone calls to Capitol Hill are 100 to 1 against the bill. We need to do more. This is why Barack Obama is going all over the country scaring the American people into believing that our economy could collapse if the bill isn't passed. He wants this made into law before anyone knows that nationalized - and rationed - health care will be the result. If you have a loved one with a serious medical condition, this will be detrimental to his or her life.

Update: Freeper Torch the Mummy asks this:

As discussed by Rush and others, embedded in the "stimulus" bill is a creation of the "Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research" which would essentially be empowered to ration treatments based on factors such as life expectancy and cost effectiveness which would result in medical dollars for older patients being denied and transferred for the use of younger, "still productive" patients.

It would seem that an appropriate question would be whether Ted Kennedy's incurable brain malady would have been determined "a waste of resources" and thus rationed/denied services?

Of course those of us who haven't drunk the kool-aid know that answer to this. We all know that every day American suckers will be stuck with rationed care while those like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the ruling class will exempt themselves.

2/10 10:50am EST Update: Just this morning I walked into our bedroom with the tv on just as Megyn Kelly was wrapping up her interview with Arlen Specter. She asked him about this health care provision that is in the bill he is voting for. Unsurprisingly, Specter had no idea about this massive intrusion into health care. He sputtered and stuttered and said it was a bad idea and would get corrected. My question is when? The senate votes on it today and once it goes to conference the Democrats hold all the cards. Michelle Malkin saw that Kelly asked John Tester about the provision a short time later, too. He stumbled and bumbled as well saying he didn't know it was in the bill that "the language will be fixed if it's in there." Again, I ask, when?


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Ignore Angellight. <... (Below threshold)

Ignore Angellight.

He/she is an Obamabot paid to go to blogs for the sole purpose of pushing Obama's agenda. You can tell by the tone and the language of her comment that it's pure propaganda that was probably pre-written for her/him by the Obama Administration.

Angellight, <blockquo... (Below threshold)


In the Bush years 30 billion was spent in Afghanistan -- 50 billion in Iraq and now Congress wants to say we cannot spend necessary money at home which has so long been neglected?

It's not that we don't want to spend money here at home, we want actual stimulus, not porkulus, how on earth is making health records available in a national database supposed to stimulate the economy?

Who is 'holding it hostage'... (Below threshold)

Who is 'holding it hostage'? The Dems have enough votes to pass it, even without a single GOP vote.

The reason is they need the cover of 'bipartisanship' on this sack of garbage that is pretending to be 'emergency' legislation. They created this but they don't want to take ownership of it, because they know it's garbage.

Wow, Angellight's comments ... (Below threshold)

Wow, Angellight's comments read just like talking points the Obamessiah is using in Elk Point today. He must have made a transcript available to his disciples beforehand.
When do we line up for the microchip with our records to be implanted in our foreheads or the backs of our hands?

Hermie -Agreed. I... (Below threshold)

Hermie -

Agreed. IF this bloated pig gets passed, the Dems want 'plausible deniability'. They know it's going to crater the economy, so now's their best chance to get a whole lot of crap passed. Yeah, in the disaster to follow a lot of it will get cut, but some will stick... and they'll see THAT as a win.

And if they can get Republicans to sign onto it - then it'll be the REPUBLICANS who caused all the bloating, and the problems, and the crash and burn!

But hey - we've created our own aristocracy - is it any wonder they're not listening to us? 100 to 1 AGAINST the Spendulus bill, and the thing still lives? What do they want, bags of tar and feathers before they get the hint?

Stop the Pork it is full of... (Below threshold)

Stop the Pork it is full of trichinosis because it is raw and needs to be well done before it goes to the people which it is for not the Government

Even if you accept that the... (Below threshold)

Even if you accept that the way to save the economy is to spend money wisely (which I dont) how does it then follow that the simulus bill spends money wisely? We are seeing billions spent on pork projects and questionable earmarks that have no stimulating purpose and bilions more that wont get spent for several years. If Obama is want to stimulate the economy why can't he take the time to go through the bill to cut out these wastefull earmarks?
What does he have to lose?

Because he claims there are... (Below threshold)

Because he claims there are no 'earmarks'. Oh there is 'targeting spending', but no earmarks.

Angellight is remarkably ad... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Angellight is remarkably adept at going to various places to post his/her drivel. i found it in no less than 3 places other than this one.


I wonder how many other places it is posted and by whom. Obviously an Obamabot with a prewritten script.

Note to the moderator

Anyway to ban angellight IP address for plaguerizing.

They have quoted the following article pretty much whole hog only changing the order of some of the sentences around.


This sound familiar

"The way George Bush and the GOP spent our money will be characterized by an Era of Irresponsibility and Neglect, while Obama wants to spend our money wisely and on rebuillding Americsa, if the GOP lets him. The awful truth is that One Party has destroyed America while the other Party the Democratic Party wants to restore it.

For instance: If you have a home in which you used your money to spend on alcohol, good times and neglected your roof, your bills, and now your roof is in danger of collapsing because you used your money on good times instead of the upkeep of your home and now the Argument is you are unable to borrow money to fix your roof before it caves in because you used your money foolishly in the past is also recklesslness and neglect on the part of the lender, so they let the roof collapse.

In the Bush years 30 billion was spent in Afghanistan -- 50 billion in Iraq and now Congress wants to say we cannot spend necessary money at home which has so long been neglected? States were given no money in the Bush years and now they still want to keep money out of the States on a fraudulent theory.

It is now time to for Congress to put money back in to the United States and to spend money wisely and not fraudulently, irresponsibly and in the dark as in the Bush years. Obama believes in transparancey, hence you can find the Stimulus package on line for all to see.

GOP say this money will be more of the same. It will not be more of the same. This money will be used for Americans, for jobs, to rebuild for improvement and innovations to improve life not on wars and countries which have nothing to do with American people or on big business who do not need the money.

Bush and the Republicans inherited a Surplus from the Democrats and yet the GOP has created the worst economic crisis ever. The GOP should stop hijacking the Stimulus and do the right thing and let money flow back into America again, instead of holding the Democrats hostage from their quest of bringing help to the people and restoring American again."

Stupid liberals should learn about google before plaguerizing.

hermieThat of course... (Below threshold)

That of course puts him in a odd position with regaurds to the truth. I'll leave to other to decide what that position is.

Good. Thank God they put th... (Below threshold)

Good. Thank God they put this in the stimulus bill. The healthcare apparatus in this country is pathetic. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just brainwashed. Really, why are you all so afraid? There are other countries that have a nationalized system, works just fine (I know. I used to live in Canada and it is NOT what the right wing shows try to fear you all into thinking it is. It's a smoothly run system, no long waits on anything for anyone I know).

While we end up paying a little more in taxes, at least everyone is taken care of. It's only the far right wing that seems to think a percentage of this nation should lie in the gutter and die if they can't afford an HMO.

Some of the arguments you all seem to make over and over again to no avail can be found here:


but in the end, if you don't feel an duty to your fellow man over something as simple as making healthcare available to all, you're not a true Christian.

zifferYou have no ... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:


You have no clue of what you speak.

My mother lives on social security. She has medicaid/ medicare. She has no troubles getting in to see a doctor when she needs to.

Nada, none, nill, nix.

My parents have never made more than $12k a year from the time I was small (the 1960s to the present). Never.

yet she gets in to see a doctor, doesnt have problems getting her medication, gets assitance on her rent, etc.

She refuses to come live with myself and my wife as she wont move.

You cant sit here and tell me that health care is not available for folks who cant afford it.

Stupid liberals sh... (Below threshold)
Stupid liberals should learn about google before plaguerizing.
If you can find a better reason to block "angellight's IP I'd love to see it.

Ziffer - "While we end up paying a little more in taxes, [for national health care] at least everyone is taken care of."

Um, yeah, sure. With certain critical care that has loooog waiting periods, assuming your seen at all and rhen have to resort to crossing Canada's southern border.

BTW ZifferYour lin... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

BTW Ziffer

Your link didnt give a few things.
a. Link to the study.
b. state what other countries were measured.
c. give the metrics used.

For instance do you know that other countries count and report live births different than the US. Now that little fact is important when comparing stats isnt it.

Also looking at the populatoin of the countries.

For example I think one of the netherland countries who has socialed health care is tooted as being the model. That would be great if we had less than 5 million people and the govt owned the oil industry which is how it is in that country.

Remember that communism works great.... as long as the study of it is done with populations of less than 50 people.

zifferlook here ab... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:


look here about your WHO study


I found such gems as

'Fairness of financial contribution: When WHO measured the fairness of financial contribution to health systems, countries lined up differently. The measurement is based on the fraction of a household's capacity to spend (income minus food expenditure) that goes on health care (including tax payments, social insurance, private insurance and out of pocket payments). Colombia was the top-rated country in this category, followed by Luxembourg, Belgium, Djibouti, Denmark, Ireland, Germany, Norway, Japan and Finland.

Colombia achieved top rank because someone with a low income might pay the equivalent of one dollar per year for health care, while a high- income individual pays 7.6 dollars.

Gee everyone is rushing to go to Columbia for their health care arent they.

"In North America, Canada rates as the country with the fairest mechanism for health system finance - ranked at 17-19, while the United States is at 54-55. Cuba is the highest among Latin American and Caribbean nations at 23-25.

And loook Cuba got better scores than us. That is why all those cuban refugees are swimming from Florida back to Cuba right. We kidnapped them for propaganda tools and now they are just trying to get back to their great health care system.

"Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden. The reason these are all advanced industrial nations is that a number of the elements of responsiveness depend strongly on the availability of resources. In addition, many of these countries were the first to begin addressing the responsiveness of their health systems to people's needs.


Your little link left that one out. I mean why have great health care in a country when you cant get to a hospital to take advantage of it.

"WHO Director-General Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland says: "The main message from this report is that the health and well- being of people around the world depend critically on the performance of the health systems that serve them. "

Gee a sentence that actually makes sense.

You know it is easy to spend more of your GDP on health care when umm you arent protecting half the world from being taken over by terrorists and thugs.

I agree with Torch. The De... (Below threshold)

I agree with Torch. The Democrats seem to love using "human shields" to defend their policies. Let's use Ted Kennedy as a litmus test, if you will, of this provision. Kennedy has an incurable condition, he is 76 years old, and has a health history of obesity and chronic alcoholism. Now let's challenge Democrats to give his medical treatment a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" based on the provisions of this bill.

I do not wish to make a dying man suffer even more, but if the Democrats can parade around crippled children, then certainly Ted Kennedy should be able to take one for the team.

This of course is in additi... (Below threshold)

This of course is in addition to the massive expansion of SCHIP that was already signed into law, and the massive expansion of Medicaid that is part of the current Spendulus bill.

The USA has 300 million cit... (Below threshold)

The USA has 300 million citizens. We are not some podunk little country like canada or france. We are talking real money here. There is no such thing as free anything. If you liberal's want to believe it is so, that is fine, but don't make me pay for it.

By the way, my mother is on medicaid and medicare and she has very good health benefits. It is only the working stiffs that refuse to take responsibility to purchase a minimal healthcare package that make the left see a need to step in. Just because there is 20 million without insurance, does not explain why. Some just don't have it taken out of their check. ww

The biggest criticism about... (Below threshold)

The biggest criticism about the stimulus bill is that it does not seem poised to be able to answer the problems that we are currently facing economically as a nation and that there is significant risk with the debt the government is thinking about backing: http://www.weeklypoint.com/2009/02/09/the-stimulus-plans-big-risk/

The question is then what is really going? Is this nothing more than an opportunity for the Democrats to get some pet projects funded?

What will the voters think of this abuse of power?

I have a history of many se... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

I have a history of many serious allergic reactions to some medicines including tongue swelling and throat tightness. A new federally sponsored information delivery program that insures important medical records are available to any hospital in the event of an emergency situation only seems pretty wise to me. Who knew that this is "Socialism"? C'mon let's get serious now.

Stop drinking the kool-aid,... (Below threshold)

Stop drinking the kool-aid, Paul! Don't you care about your parents and grandparents? The US government will tell your elderly family members to accept their hopeless diagnoses because the the cost-effective calculations indicate that they aren't worth the money. Of course, when those in the ruling class reach old age and become ill, they will get all the medical care money can buy. You're ok with this? How do you explain your position to your parents? "Sorry mom and dad, but when you get really sick, we'll just have to put you down like we do our dogs because you're too old to spend money on." This is how you and your Democratic party treat senior citizens?

And don't forget, Paul, you'll be elderly some day, too, and when you are and become ill, your life will be reduced to nothing more than a cost-effectiveness calculation run by some bureaucrat in DC.

Paul Hasoon" have ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Paul Hasoon

" have a history of many serious allergic reactions to some medicines including tongue swelling and throat tightness"

Lets see now Paul

Cost of stimulus bill - $1 trillion dollars or


Cost of a medicalert braclet saying you are allergic to certain types of medication


Yeah I can see how that liberal math works out so great for the country Paul.

Retired Military posted it ... (Below threshold)

Retired Military posted it before I got home. Angellite, is a fraud. I immediately did a search for the text and found it posted all over the web. Even the same misspellings are there. Every comment Angellight has made is posted everywhere.

This isn't about health car... (Below threshold)

This isn't about health care - this is about avoiding the coming financial crises of Social Security, Medicare and unfunded pensions. If you deny seniors life-saving/extending treatments you won't have to pay them benefits.

But them on an ice floe and send them off to die. It's cheaper.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Hello Kim, you do know that... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Hello Kim, you do know that I was the full time care giver to two elderly parents who both died in 2007, about 90 days apart of natural causes don't you. I would often take one up to the doctor in a wheelchair, then get another wheelchair and take the other up to the office as well.

My dad had an excellent health insurance program as part of his retirement package from his labor union, paid for from his union dues, that provided him excellent medical care, hospital and doctor's visits. But regardless, we seem to all get sick and old. After two stays in the hospital that Summer, he had a sudden massive stroke at home one day and died when I couldn't revive him before the firemen came to help. These same fire jobs, opponents of this bill might want to cut you know.

I really hope you're as genuinely devoted to good health care as I am, although we may differ how to get there.

Paul, you are so full of cr... (Below threshold)

Paul, you are so full of crap it is ridiculous. Firemen aren't going anywhere. Maybe the secretaries, or advisers in your local municipality but get a grip.

Electronic medical records has to first and foremost prove to be HIPPA compliant. Very high hurdle. ww

The Bill also creates the F... (Below threshold)

The Bill also creates the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research.

It shall be abbreviated FCCCER and shall in all case be pronounced phonetically.

Re: Ted KennedyTed... (Below threshold)

Re: Ted Kennedy

Ted has a currency that's unavailable to your average person. See, he has political 'currency' and thus would be able to 'purchase' a level of treatment that would unavailable to the average person under a government/socialized healthcare system.

I'll also add that healthca... (Below threshold)

I'll also add that healthcare, like anything else of value, is a scarce resource with alternative uses. Socialized healthcare doesn't create more healthcare to go around* - it simply shifts the rationing from individuals to government bureaucrats. I fail to see how this is a good thing.

*Actually, it results in less since compensation becomes more influenced / controlled by government.

My god, with all the eviden... (Below threshold)

My god, with all the evidence out there of socialized medicine failures why are we even having this discussion?

Where do you libs think the best care and pharmaceuticals are created? Canada? lolol UK? lolol France? lolol.....no WAIT, from our government! lol

Who will provide the care you can't get in the countries with socialized medicine? Where will the new generation of cures come from? It's unf8cking believable you'd give this up for what has proven to fail everywhere elsewhere.

A good friend lives in Victoria. Wife was diagnosed with cancer. They were on treatment waiting list meanwhile it masastitized and Angela died. Oh well, TFB sez the bureaucrats.

Yup, that's the system for me.

This is an outrage. Thanks... (Below threshold)

This is an outrage. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

I can't help but be reminde... (Below threshold)

I can't help but be reminded of a fried in the UK. He's been on a list and waiting for a relatively minor operation since August last year. While his illness isn't life threatening, it's kept him out of work since then too. He's not upset about it, though. The government has supported him all this time. And somehow, that's just fine with him.

I fear we have enter the er... (Below threshold)

I fear we have enter the era of people in this country wanting to have the gov't do everything for them. I think it is pure laziness. Don't have to worry or work for anything. I can see the gov't coming in to help the people who fall thru the cracks or who are truly handicap or mentally ill people. You will always have people like that. But little by little they have gotten the people use to falling back on the gov't. S/S, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare and on and on it goes. But if the gov't can give you everything, it can certainly dicate how you should live and sadly for some that is just fine. Creeping socialism. It does not work, but humans never seem to learn from the past or present.

One thing is for sure: <br ... (Below threshold)

One thing is for sure:
Although there will be a mechanism to track every individuals health history, there will be no mechanism to keep illegal immigrants from getting free health care.

"Federal Coordinating Counc... (Below threshold)

"Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research." Welcome to the Brave New World.

The three GOP fools still v... (Below threshold)

The three GOP fools still voted for the bill despite finally learning about this provision.

Does Arlen (Scottish Law trumps the US Constitution) Specter really believe that the Dems will allow him to remove it from the final bill?

"the language will be fixed... (Below threshold)

"the language will be fixed if it's in there."

Wouldn't it be nice if our fearless leaders would READ legislation before they sign it. WOULDN'T IT BE NICE?!?!?!? Sorry, steam is coming out of my ears.

Well, unfortunately many he... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Well, unfortunately many here aren't really conservatives as much as they are just against anything that is modern or good such as using a Internet based electronic databank to provide instant medical records information so doctors have something to work with when a person ends up unconscious in the emergency room after a serious auto accident or other emergency. Having instant records will speed treatment and save lives, so why oppose this?

The fact of the matter is that some drugs will cause serious side effects or even death unless a person is able to warn a doctor to find an alternative. An electronic records transfer would prevent a number of needless emergency room deaths when time and the right medications are critical to save lives. This seems like a stupid thing to oppose.

And Retired Military, they don't make a medical alert bracelet large enough for me to detail all of the drugs, foods or other allergens that I cannot tolerate because of my serious genetic blood defect condition. It is a complicated condition that is only best described in detail with medical records. And my primary physician is a professor at the state medical college because he is able to understand this complex and serious medical condition. It is probably beyond the knowledge of most normal physicians to know how to treat this condition. The exchange of detailed medical records are vital in my treatment for this serious illness.

Paul, again: Medical Record... (Below threshold)

Paul, again: Medical Records are private. Having them on the internet is lunacy. You get it? ww

Then carry around a friggin... (Below threshold)

Then carry around a friggin' thumb drive, Paul. MicroCenter's got them for $8 for a 4 GB drive, and I find it hard to believe even YOU would have enough wrong with you to fill it up.

The American public as a wh... (Below threshold)

The American public as a whole is screwed thanks to the Democrats and three RINO's that wish they were.

Your tax dollars are being given to people and programs that have NOTHING to do with an 'economic stimulus' and everything to do with rewarding Democrat allies and providing funding for pet programs.

Now that Nationalized Health Care is an included provision you can kiss your ass goodbye if Fedco deems your procedure to be excessive or unnecessary.

Hoosan is as usual, talking out of his ass.

Wildwillie, of course only ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Wildwillie, of course only doctors or medical professionals involved in direct patient treatment are going to be able to access the login of such a medical records database. It is certainly not a public database open to anyone.

JLawson, no one has access to their own medical records which include many notes by individual doctors. Having a locked entry database that only registered care givers can access to provide these files is the best process. But some folks just don't like anything modern I guess. Give me a call when you two guys invent fire or the wheel at this rate.

Electronic Medical Records ... (Below threshold)

Electronic Medical Records available to approved medical providers is a good thing.

Electronic Medical Records controlled and monitored by the government, not to look for illegal activity, but to monitor the ART of medicine as it is practiced, is very dangerous when the same government is a large payor for that health care, but is monitoring what OTHER payors are paying for.

Monday I braved a big storm to drive almost 200 miles to our State Capital to testify about a controlled substance prescription database bill - which I support - and watched the ACLU and organized medicine go apesheet all over it. I hope the ACLU and organized medicine will do their best to counter this proposal as well.

In fact I hope they shift all their resources to fight this as soon as possible.

Still waiting.

Paul -You're so in... (Below threshold)

Paul -

You're so incredibly trusting of government about all I can assume is that one of your medical conditions causes you to be insanely gullible when it comes to trusting authority.

Do you REALLY not see the potential pitfalls in this plan? I don't give a damn whether it's 'modern' or not - that's not the point. What's in a database can be cracked. Or leaked. Credit card numbers are 'secure', yet scarcely a month goes by without news about some story about thousands of credit card numbers being hacked - or personnel records being lost or leaked.

And you think GOVERNMENT is going to do a better job? At what cost?

"Wildwillie, of course o... (Below threshold)

"Wildwillie, of course only doctors or medical professionals involved in direct patient treatment are going to be able to access the login of such a medical records database. It is certainly not a public database open to anyone."

Just like Joe the Plumber's tax records, BMV records and child support records were "private". That turned out really well.

"But some folks just don't like anything modern I guess. Give me a call when you two guys invent fire or the wheel at this rate."

This is not the issue and you know it. It's a matter of trusting a government entity to private health care records, and as one example, Joe the Plumber's story is why no sane, rational person would want to trust the government with private information.

I was in the IT industry for 15 years, and I can assure you I have no problem with technology. What I have a problem with is insufficient security that a government entity brings to the table. They're notoriously negligent in this area, even worse than most businesses are.

"They're notoriously neg... (Below threshold)

"They're notoriously negligent in this area, even worse than most businesses are."

Actually, government entities are far worse than most businesses are.

I think this is a knee jerk... (Below threshold)

I think this is a knee jerk reaction to a challenging problem. The current status quo is failing and we have to address this problem but none wants to tackle the hard questions central to this issue - you can read more here:


Paul"And Retired M... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:


"And Retired Military, they don't make a medical alert bracelet large enough for me to detail all of the drugs, foods or other allergens that I cannot tolerate because of my serious genetic blood defect condition. It is a complicated condition that is only best described in detail with medical records."

How about carrying a piece of paper in your wallet describing everything and then on your medical alert bracelet say "I HAVE A SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION, MY DOCTOR NUMBER IS XXX-XXXX . SEE PAPER IN WALLET FOR DETAILS"


Take some RESPONSIBILITY and SOME PREMPTIVE ACTION and stop depending on the GOVT to do something for you.

Paul Hooson:It is... (Below threshold)

Paul Hooson:
It is probably beyond the knowledge of most normal physicians to know how to treat this condition.

If true, I'm amazed that you support more government influence in the health care system then... how long until some beauracrat decides that treating you isn't cost-effective ?


Paul Hooson:"It is p... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Paul Hooson:
"It is probably beyond the knowledge of most normal physicians to know how to treat this condition."

If so invest in a memory stick and put on your $4 medic alert bracelet

Everything you need to know about my medical condition is on the memory stick in my pocket.

See how easy it is.

Dr. Epador, I always value ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Dr. Epador, I always value when you offer your reasonable and reasoned opinions to any discussion. You make some excellent points here. You're a fine member of your profession. You always elevate any discussion.

Paul Hooson, have you ever ... (Below threshold)

Paul Hooson, have you ever heard of hackers? State or Federal employees who will use this information for political reasons? Are you naive or just playing devil's advocate? ww

Bush spent his last 6 years... (Below threshold)
blue proctor:

Bush spent his last 6 years being Mayor of Baghdad. He neglected the USA and the people. Now, all hell's broken loose and the republicans want more of the same?!!!!!!!!!! Damn them all! The have shown that the people are not their concern. Now this new guy comes in and they want to stop him from doing the people's business in AMERICA FOR AMERICANS. What the Hell is wrong with the republicans? Why is Limbaugh their spokesman?

Proctologist sai d... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Proctologist sai d

"The have shown that the people are not their concern"

Umm 50 million Iraqis with purple fingers would disagree.

"Now this new guy comes in and they want to stop him from doing the people's business in AMERICA FOR AMERICANS"

Hey clueless the dems can do anything they want. They dont need republican votes. Espcially with the 3 RINOS who vote with them all the time. GET A CLUE.

"Why is Limbaugh their spokesman"

Umm he isnt. WHy is Pelosi and Reid your spokesman.

The government has successf... (Below threshold)

The government has successfully lost my
husbands records 3 times, once getting a
letter from the USPS informing him of the loss.
All three times the information was on a laptop.
There is "no" such thing as a secure internet connection, government sites, including
military sites are hacked.

I still have that bridge for sale.

"The Bill also creates the ... (Below threshold)

"The Bill also creates the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research."

The latest Senate version doesn't have this in it, as far as I can tell. I've searched the H.R.1.AS2 pdf for the full phrase and various components of it. If it's still in there, they've changed the name.

The frickin' thing is 778 pages long. NO one, I'd bet has read the whole thing, especially not President Obama or any Rep. or Sen. no matter party affiliation.

You are running false asser... (Below threshold)

You are running false assertions.

On February 9, Rush Limbaug... (Below threshold)

On February 9, Rush Limbaugh repeated a falsehood from a Bloomberg "commentary" by Betsy McCaughey, headlined "Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan." In the commentary, McCaughey falsely claimed that under provisions in the economic recovery bill passed by House Democrats, "[o]ne new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and 'guide' your doctor's decisions." In fact, the language in the House bill that McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York, referenced does not establish authority to "monitor treatments" or restrict what "your doctor is doing" with regard to patient care, but rather addresses establishing an electronic records system such that doctors would have complete, accurate information about their patients "to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care."


"(a) Establishment-- There is established within the Department of Health and Human Services an Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (referred to in this section as the 'Office'). The Office shall be headed by a National Coordinator who shall be appointed by the Secretary and shall report directly to the Secretary.

"(b) Purpose-- The National Coordinator shall perform the duties under subsection (c) in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information and that--

"(1) ensures that each patient's health information is secure and protected, in accordance with applicable law;

"(2) improves health care quality, reduces medical errors, reduces health disparities, and advances the delivery of patient-centered medical care;

"(3) reduces health care costs resulting from inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, duplicative care, and incomplete information;

"(4) provides appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care;

"(5) ensures the inclusion of meaningful public input in such development of such infrastructure;

"(6) improves the coordination of care and information among hospitals, laboratories, physician offices, and other entities through an effective infrastructure for the secure and authorized exchange of health care information;

"(7) improves public health activities and facilitates the early identification and rapid response to public health threats and emergencies, including bioterror events and infectious disease outbreaks;

"(8) facilitates health and clinical research and health care quality;

"(9) promotes prevention of chronic diseases;

"(10) promotes a more effective marketplace, greater competition, greater systems analysis, increased consumer choice, and improved outcomes in health care services; and

"(11) improves efforts to reduce health disparities.

U.S. House of Representativ... (Below threshold)
nd hamby:

U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515 | (202) 224-3121

Call you're congress. This is an outrage and while fox carried the news yesterday, today there is not a word on it.

This bill is in no way a st... (Below threshold)
Fed up in Montana:

This bill is in no way a stimulus. This is the "WE WON" bill to get all the pork the liberals have wanted for 30 yrs but haven't gotten. I am disabled, my Father and one brother both had heart attacks and open heart surgery. Guess if we have any problems we'll just have to live with it. When I was in the hospital in Nov.my nurse was from Russia. She told me so many wonderful stories about socialized health care. How when her Mom had cancer the doctors wouldn't even give her pain medication cause she was just going to die anyway. She had to take food, linens to the hospital for her Mom cause the hospital didn't provided those. Then there was her sister diagnosed with breast cancer who could get the surgery ONLY if she paid $15,000 our of her own pocket. Their nurses got paid $10. a DAY. This nurse came to my room around midnight on election night to tell me Obama won then she said she was looking for another country to go to cause she would not live like she did in Russia again. If people from another country can see what these idiots in DC are doing what the heck is wrong with the people here?

Angellight is correct!<br /... (Below threshold)
NJ Liberal:

Angellight is correct!
When are you people going to learn that our country is in these severe financial straights due to Bush's tax cutting policies. You are listening to Larry Kudlow too much. Remember, Ronald Reagan passed one of the largest tax increases in our history. Put your narrow ideology behind you and learn something for a change.

The Office of the National ... (Below threshold)

The Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology was established in 2004 by President Bush, and is all about using health information technology to increase efficiency and provide more information to doctors.

You really are this stupid, aren't you? It can't possibly be an act.

Me thinks NJ Liberal is ANG... (Below threshold)
retired miilitary:

Me thinks NJ Liberal is ANGELlite as they didnt start posting here until Angellite's bunch of PLAGUERIZED HOGWASH was removed by the moderators.

National health care will b... (Below threshold)

National health care will be the topic of News Talk Online on Paltalk.com Monday February 16 at 5 PM New York time.

Please go to http://www.garybaumgarten.com and click on the Enter The Chatroom button to join in the conversation.



Every reputable medical soc... (Below threshold)

Every reputable medical society thinks comparative medical research in the stimulus is long over due in this country. All it will do is have 15-20 clinical based and research based doctors look at data independently and report the findings. They will have no special interest influence, not even congress. PERIOD! It is upto the practicing physicians and their patients to decide what they want to do. PERIOD! Amazing how easy it is to scare public with twisted facts. Ask a honest doctor and he will tell you how impt this provision will be for their practice since no one has time to look up all this data when they have 20 issues to deal with and unable to update themselves. If you thought doctors who treat you know all this stuff like the back of their hand, think again. Health care spends 2.5 trillion a year, that is more than double the bailouts and stimulus package together in just one year. so cutting some waste here goes a really long way.






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