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"Stimulus" for NC

One of the Democrats that voted against the spendulus bill was North Carolina's Heath Shuler. I guess maybe NC isn't so blue a state after all. Ryan Teague Beckwith has a rundown of the money estimated to come to my state.

The federal stimulus package could bring $6.1 billion to North Carolina.

That's according to a "back of the envelope" calculation by the Federal Funds Information for States, an agency that follows the federal government for the states. The estimates are for two-year total funding.

The 1,000-page conference version of the stimulus bill just came out today, however, and there remain a lot of unknowns. These preliminary estimates are changing rapidly.

The figures that are available include: $2.3 billion for Medicaid, $1.2 billion for education, $776 million for highways and bridges, $252 million for flexible spending, $131 million for mass transit grants, $112 million for weatherization, $72 million for clean water projects, $67 million for child care, and $66 million for drinking water projects.

Among the smaller items: $17 million for Head Start, $16 million for vocational rehabilitation, $16 million for education technology, $4 million for elderly nutrition, and $3 million for emergency food and shelter.

Follow the link for the full document.

I am not sure what all is included in all of the categories and don't know how some of them are classified stimulus.


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First the Tarheels beat Duk... (Below threshold)

First the Tarheels beat Duke for the 4th time, and now Shuler votes against the stimulus! I love this bipartisan effort, unfortunately the partisans who hadn't even read the bill passed it.

Plus I think it's payback from Shuler when one of Reids stooges quipped about interceptions.

Go Tarheels!

"$776 million for highways ... (Below threshold)

"$776 million for highways and bridges," ok now someone, anyone, give me a list of those projects that are "shovel ready."

The list has to include those that have passed each and every environmental test/and or court case (endandered frogs anyone?), have passed through each and every building permit hoop that MUST be fulfilled according to state law.

Anyone got a list?

<a href="http://bloggingred... (Below threshold)

Will the stimulus bill compromise lower your tax rebate to $8 per week? That appears to be true. The final version has not been passed, but reports indicate the $500 per year in reduced tax withholding has been reduced to $400 per individual and $800 per couple. That only comes to $8 per week for an individual and $16 for a couple. If they start the payments in June and make it retroactive to the beginning of the year, you will get $13 per week until next January. Then, your rebate would drop to the $8 per week level. Are you felling stimulated yet? In a stimulus bill of almost $1 trillion dollars, you would think President Obama would have more for the working class.

Lorie, but wouldn't those p... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Lorie, but wouldn't those projects significantly contribute to a higher quality of life in your own community and state?

Locally, here in Oregon unemployment has hit 9%, and here in Portland while youth gang violence has reached record levels with drive-by shootings and drugs, police jobs could be lost. A fire department might close. And mass transit is facing serious cutbacks, greatly affecting the ability of working people to travel to work who have no car.

I think it boils down to what sort of a society do we want here in the U.S., a modern safe society with decent infrastructure or a poverty stricken state much like that of the old Eastern Europe under Communist rule.

It's a funny thing. but some Biblical scholars such as Herbert Armstrong long predicted the decline of the United States as a world power and the rise of the EU as the new most powerful and wealthy entity in the world. This might be just that.

paul "hooswoon" [over obama... (Below threshold)

paul "hooswoon" [over obama] - "Lorie, but wouldn't those projects significantly contribute to a higher quality of life in your own community and state?

And so? When will they have ANY effect if they aren't really "shovel ready" as per the guidelines I posted above.

Got a list?

Furthermore, do you have a list of "shovel ready" projects meeting those requirements for your state?

With the exception of a few nuts no one is opposed to legit infrastructure projects regardless of location.

The problem is in how this bill was sold, if it's so DAMN urgent it should have been stripped down to the bare essentials and passed.

THEN, and only then, time could have been taken to draft another bill to address the pressing need for infrastructure improvements.

Lorie, but wouldn't thos... (Below threshold)

Lorie, but wouldn't those projects significantly contribute to a higher quality of life in your own community and state?

I am sorry, but that is a ridiculous question. Since we are spending what some estimates now show will cost us several trillion dollars before it is said and done, we damn well better be improving something somewhere. That is not the question. Would a frisbee park in my neighborhood improve my life. Yeah, it actually would. My kids and dog would love it. Would it improve it "significantly"? No.

But the relevant question is "Do I want my tax dollars going to something like that?" Or your tax dollars? Hell no. Especially when it is going to put a great big debt on my grandkids and put our country in a weaker position.

I think the economy is going to rebound without the "stimulus" bill. It always does. When government gets involved things usually get worse though. The recovery could even be slowed down by this big spending bill. We won't ever know because we can't say for certain what would have happened without the bill. What we do know is that the debt will increase at a staggering rate.

It's a funny thing. but some Biblical scholars such as Herbert Armstrong long predicted the decline of the United States as a world power and the rise of the EU as the new most powerful and wealthy entity in the world. This might be just that.My first response was "Are you kidding?" Look at the economy and the unemployment in Europe. But then I thought about it for a minute and since Obama is trying to emulate Europe, maybe that is, in fact, where we are headed. The massive debt will weaken America to the point that maybe the EU will be the most powerful and wealthy entity eventually. Thanks President Obama. God help us if that happens, but for the first time in my lifetime I think it just might be possible.

Gee Paul, thanks for depressing the heck out of me.

Lorie, I always appreciate ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Lorie, I always appreciate our friendly differences. You know that I always respect you as a writer, and I'm very happy to see you writing again after your short break.

My view might well be that as crazy as some Frisbee park in your neighborhood might be, it would still provide jobs to both build and then maintain, and like you said, your kids and dogs would probably love it. A crazy project like that would at least have some measurable social good worth in cresting a quality of life. During the Great Depression, Roosevelt actually lifted the country out of this economic mess by WPA jobs and other make work jobs to ease unemployment. History has proven that this works before. The NRA act as well involved the Roosevelt Administration searching for solutions to reviving the economy much like this current bill tries many things at once looking for a solution as well.

Compared to the trillion spent blowing up Iraq and then attempting to reconstruct that nation, I'd much rather see jobs and cash spent on this country right here. The huge cost of the Iraq War never stopped the last administration even though it offered only huge expense and lost lives for this country. If anything, the huge cost of that war might have been one of the factors that got us into this mess. Vietnam during the LBJ years lead to rampant inflation and other economic problems. The problem is that military hardware or jobs are such a huge expense for the small amount of good they do for society as a whole. One jet plane that cost millions of dollars actually employs very few workers compared to other nonmilitary goods in society. A highway project for example might provide far more jobs and then be used by far more persons than some comparable cost military hardware item.

Interestingly, the Roman Empire which declined was largely due to over extending it's military around the world. And both Iraq and Afghanistan have unfortunately proven that the U.S. might be able to successfully fight and win some push-button type wars involving nuclear weapons, but small bands of rebels and terrorists can give our military all the fight that we can handle. This is very depressing to me. But Vietnam displayed the weakness of our nation in small hand to hand combat, and only helped to encourage future small bands of hoodlums to challenge the U.S. Even in Somalia, warlords and pirates intimidate the navies of the world, including China, Russia and the U.S.

By the way, a large part of my own family live in your neighboring state, South Carolina, and are military families. Some have served in Iraq, so I do support both the military and military families. I know your family are a military family as well. I'm one of the very few men in my family that didn't serve in the military as President Nixon stopped calling up soldiers for Vietnam when I turned 18 in August of 1973. All my young life I expected to become a soldier and join the military.

Maybe all the Liberals shou... (Below threshold)

Maybe all the Liberals should call Heath Shuler a traitor or a DINO. But no, we believe that people should be allowed to voice their own opinions even if it differs from our own. No one agrees with everything, no matter what side of the fence they sit on. I applaud Shuler, we need more free thinkers like him in the Democrats. Just one in the Republican party would be a start!






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