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The San Francisco Creep Stands By Her Statements

It has been about a week since Speaker Nancy Pelosi made her caustic statements directed at the CIA and her accusations that the agency misled and lied about intelligence to her and other members of Congress.

Today was her first news conference since what many have deemed one of the most disastrous press conferences in modern history.

A total of one question was asked by a pool reporter concerning her statements of last week.

Her answer:

"I have made the statement that I'm going to make on this. I don't have any more to say on this, I stand by my comments. And what we are doing is staying on our course and not being distracted from it."

That's it.

One would think that if she stands by her comments, she would be able then to answer questions coherently and decisively about the issue. Instead, she paraded just about every person imaginable before the cameras, eating up time reserved for her Q & A session, and when the questioning about her CIA statements began, she didn't just side-step the issue, but pole- vaulted right over it.

Some members of the media in the room were heard to be proclaiming the ridiculousness of her refusal to answer anything pertaining to her prior statements concerning the CIA, however, some seemed more than willing to take the emphasis off that issue, and spin the news conference into something from which Pelosi could quickly remove herself.

Speaker Pelosi cannot hide from this political liability forever. Sometime in the near future, she will have to answer for her accusations.

She should resign her speakership immediately.


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Nancy Pelosi may have made ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Nancy Pelosi may have made some very stupid and absurd contradictory statements regarding this affair. But the the truth be known, she never supported leading prisoners around on dogleashes, waterboarding or supporting torture like many of her claimed accusers do. So what's their point then?

Au contraire.It wo... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

Au contraire.

It would be one thing if Pelosi was caught red-handed doing something illegal, but as long as her "crime" is gross, rank hypocricy and dishonesty, and she continues her plastic surgery addition (she's already staring to give "The cat lady" a run for her money),
I want Pelosi to stay right where she is as one of the public faces of the Democratic party, thank you very much.

Arrogance thy name is Pe... (Below threshold)

Arrogance thy name is Pelosi

Pelosi has decided to (in Godfather terms) "go to the mattresses". The CIA needs to "leak" the memos, briefing notes, minutes of meetings...and DESTROY THIS BITCH! once and for all!

Maybe she should get the Vi... (Below threshold)

Maybe she should get the Vice President to help her get her story straight and put it out in clear terms everyone can...


Whew! Sorry, I almost kept a straight face through the comment.

Paul,BTW we don't ... (Below threshold)


BTW we don't actually know what she supported or didn't support since she won't push to have ALL of the information released.

Lets find out what was REALLY said.

Paul Hooson: "But the th... (Below threshold)

Paul Hooson: "But the the truth be known, she never supported leading prisoners around on dogleashes, waterboarding or supporting torture like many of her claimed accusers do. So what's their point then?"

You're kidding...right?

Pelosi was the RANKING Member of the Intelligence Committee...and then became Speaker of the House. Her DUTY was to get briefed and provide feedback. She CLAIMED she SKIPPED the briefings!! (sent staffers).

Then she CLAIMED that the briefing she DID attend she was lied to!

She waited to be "outraged" about the treatment until Obama got elected...then when called on to explain her hypocrisy she started a web of lies that she is now EMBRACING!

Dereliction of duty...CHECK!
Defamation of sworn agents of the United States...CHECK!
Politization of National Security...CHECK!
Power of Pelosi and Party above all else...CHECK!
Ugly all the way to the bone!...CHECK!

"Nancy Pelosi may have made... (Below threshold)

"Nancy Pelosi may have made some very stupid and absurd contradictory statements regarding this affair.".........."So what's their point then?"

*see above.. you answered your own question Paul*

But the the truth be kno... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

But the the truth be known, she never supported leading prisoners around on dogleashes, waterboarding or supporting torture like many of her claimed accusers do.

Well, first of all, stop purposefully mingling Abu Ghraib offenses ('dogleashing' prisoners) with the scant few Gitmo detainees who were waterboarded. They are NOT one in the same no matter how much you want them to be; they are separate and unique events, and lumping them together is grossly disengenuous and willfully dishonest. Moreover, and just as important, Pelosi was briefed on CIA interrogation practices in the fall of 2002; AG didn't occur until 2 years later.

The fact that Queen Pelosi knew that waterboarding of high-level AQ terrorists was taking place and, at the time, never raised a peep about until it became an issue in light of the offenses at AG further proves (as Shawn also stated) her rank hypocrisy and dishonest triangulation on the issue. She may not have "supported" but as Porter Goss pointed: "I do not recall a single objection from my colleagues". And yeah, Hooson, one of those key colleagues was Pelosi.

So ANY attempt by you and others to defend her position is feckless and a willful misrepresentation of the facts.

The Republicans say they wa... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

The Republicans say they want Nancy Pelosi to resign because she did not impeach Bush and Cheney for committing torture. Good, let them say it. Repeat it for them: Nancy Pelosi disgraced herself by not impeaching torturers, and therefore, in the Republicans' opinion, ought to resign. They are being quite reasonable, actually; and it is reasonable for Pelosi to defend herself by using her power to investigate the matter and prove she had no role. What's more, if she does not start the investigation, then she might as well resign for the reasons the Republicans have given (and if Barack Obama tries to stop an investigation, she should tell him to go screw himself).

There are two possibilities... (Below threshold)

There are two possibilities here: either the Speaker was lied to or she wasn't. If she was lied to, then a serious crime was committed that undermines the basic structure and function of our Government. If that is so, then we need to investigate that, find those responsible, and punish them. If she wasn't lied to, then she needs to stop trashing the intelligence community - that cannot defend itself - and admit that she is also responsible for what happened. What did she know, and when did she know it? The DNC has bitched for years that crimes were committed. Well, if they were, if the Speaker knew about it, and if she did nothing, then let's arrest her, too. Congress controls the budget and makes the rules for the intelligence community, and if the Speaker cannot perform her most basic duties as a member of Congress, then she needs to be replaced.

For the love of God, how do we get some responsible adults to take charge?

The DNC can't have it both ways. If they want to investigate Bush administration decisions, then they need to hold themselves to the same standards.

And the timing of all this stinks. Of course she waited until President Obama took over. That way the show trials can go forward, but a DNC administration will provide cover for her.

"But the the truth be known... (Below threshold)

"But the the truth be known, she never supported leading prisoners around on dogleashes, waterboarding or supporting torture like many of her claimed accusers do."

Where to begin?

Who DID support leading prisoners on dogleashes? Can you name anyone in the Bush Administration or the Republicans in Congress who supported this? I seem to recall that Pentagon denied ever authorizing this.

As for waterboarding, you are right about most Republicans (McCain excepted) but wrong about Pelosi -- she DID support waterboarding, and more than the GOP nominee for President, at least until the political winds shifted.

As for "other torture" Cheney; et al. defend waterboarding, but on the ground it ISN'T torture, neither he nor any of these straw men you have set up have defended any action that they believe legally constitutes torture. They were willing to authorize actions they believed they could claim were not technically torture but even if you disagree, again, how is this any different than Pelosi?

Ive heard of stand by your ... (Below threshold)

Ive heard of stand by your man before, like Madeline Unbright standing by Billybob Wangermeisters intern philandering but "Stand by your lie" is a new low even for botox on a broomstick Pelosi..

Paul, come on, you know she... (Below threshold)

Paul, come on, you know she knew what was going on and she is lying. Why try to defend that? Contrary to some commenters, I don't want her gone. I want her right where she is. The gift that keeps giving. ww

The Republicans say they... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

The Republicans say they want Nancy Pelosi to resign because she did not impeach Bush and Cheney for committing torture.

That must've hurt when you pulled this out of your butt. No GOPer has said they want Pelosi to resign because "she did not impeach Bush and Cheney" At all.

Because your post starts off with a false accusation about something that hasn't occured, it negatates the entire premise of your thoroughly craptastic post.

Hello Wildwillie, I hope y... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Hello Wildwillie, I hope you're feeling much better than you were a while ago.

I personally view Pelosi as largely ineffective as well giving contradictory stories on this CIA matter here. I'm not at all impressed with her performance myself. She will no doubt be re-elected in her San Francisco district, but as far as being Speaker Of The House, Democrats need to quickly look for a better image for their party, someone more effective and more straight forward. Pelosi is probably working at a job well above her ability level now.

It doesn't bother me too much if the voters elect highly effective legislators of either party to office. But when some legislators are ineffective or simply awful in office, then that fact bothers me. Pelosi has now reached that level for me.

That douche could chainsaw ... (Below threshold)
San Francisco Republican:

That douche could chainsaw live babies in half on national TV, and STILL the drooling idiots of San Francisco would vote her back in in a landslide.

Paul, you are speaking of t... (Below threshold)

Paul, you are speaking of the Peter Principle. I agree totally. Although as a conservative I want her to stay in the position, but if the roles were reversed I would want her gone. She is an embarrassment. She looked so foolish trying to get out of the way of her mouth. ww

hooson - "I personally ... (Below threshold)

hooson - "I personally view Pelosi as largely ineffective"

How typical of you, you completely ignore addressing all the falsehoods pointed out and contained in your first comment.

What will your third comment in the thread contain?

More preening in front of the adults over becoming a grocery store mogul?

Regale us with tales of an intimate dinner for two with your "hot girlfriend?"

Hmmmm.... we're waiting?

Why shouldn't she st... (Below threshold)

Why shouldn't she stand her ground?

Didn't the House just vote AGAINST investigating her possible felony in making false charges?


Conservative talk show host... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Conservative talk show host has himself waterboarded to prove it's not torture:


Damn, Adrian. His head cam... (Below threshold)

Damn, Adrian. His head came right off...


Conservative talk show h... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Conservative talk show host has himself waterboarded to prove it's not torture:

Mancow discovering that, 'hey, I bet this stuff really does get you to cough up info in a hurry without actually endangering your life like true torture" is your evidence of exactly what, Adrian? Or do you even know?

Dollars to donuts says you can't even answer that without tripping over yourself like a 2 year old...

22:Draw your own con... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Draw your own conclusions.

Yes, the conclusion is that... (Below threshold)

Yes, the conclusion is that it's an effective technique that doesn't risk life or limb.

Sounds sorta unpleasant-ish... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Sounds sorta unpleasant-ish.

Fill in the blank:

On a scale of 1-10, with universally recognized torture being a 10 and going to the dentist a 1, Dick Cheney Approved Enhanced Interrogation Techniques® would be a ____.

Ain't nothing going to happ... (Below threshold)

Ain't nothing going to happen to Nancy. The Dems are running things. You don't like it? Tough shit! After all, as they like to say "We won". Get used to it.

As for the continuing useless debate about "torture" and terrorists, FUCK 'EM!

Old Russian saying...You ca... (Below threshold)
Igor Marxomarxovich:

Old Russian saying...You can tell same lie 1000 time(Ms. Pelosi) but not change truth!

Difference between USSR Communist media and USA "mainstream media"

In Russia government make media say what they want - even if lie.
In USA "mainstream media" try make government what they want - even if lie..
.....eventually they become same thing?!

I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at www.igormaro.org

Adrian:In response... (Below threshold)


In response to #25 - I'd rate them ... much less unpleasant than a baseball bat to the nuts or kneecaps, or a knife through the cervical vertabrae.

I'll be honest - I think that the change of definition of 'torture' from the classical physical ones, including shocks to the scrotum, blowtorches to the skin, extractions of teeth and fingernails, breaking of fingers, gouging of eyes, repeated dislocation of joints, intentional crippling and amputations of fingers, noses, toes, hands, and limbs - in other words, real PHYSICAL damage - to "anything which makes a captive uncomfortable" is foolish to an extreme. It doesn't win us 'respect' from our enemies, and the notion that if we don't go to a ridiculous extreme in treating our captives kindly then our enemies won't treat our captured soldiers in accordance with the Geneva protocols is an absolutely idiotic one from a historical standpoint.

The only enemy we've fought in the last 70 years that paid any attention at all to the Geneva protocols was Nazi Germany.

The Japanese didn't. The North Koreans didn't. Neither did the Viet Cong. There's NO organized army we've fought in the last 60 years that paid any attention to the Geneva Accords.

And now, 'torture' is redefined down to a level that would be laughable, if it weren't so serious, by the 'moralists' who can't seem to tell the difference between waterboarding as practiced by the US, waterboarding as practiced by the Japanese in WW2, and actual physical tortures as practiced by damn near every 3rd world 'army' that's in a pissing match with its neighbor or every drug cartel looking to carve out more territory.

Should we have standards? Hell, yes! Should they be strict? Again, hell, yes! Might I point out to you (and Paul Hooson) that the reason Abu Ghraib was such a damn shock wasn't because we were beheading people, cutting their ears off, or taking baseball bats to their knees or elbows - but because it was so OUTSIDE the bounds of what WE had established as 'acceptable behavior' for treating our captives. We shamed them, and in the middle eastern cultures shame is worse than physical torture.

And you dumb saps immediately fell to your knees, begging the forgiveness of the mortal enemies of our civilization. Of the people who gleefully kill homosexuals. Of the people who would take away the freedoms YOU take for granted. You BEGGED them to not think ill of us for Abu Ghraib - while THEY blew up tens of thousands of their own countrymen, their own women and children, and you gave them YOUR support and acceptance.

You, Adrian, are a complete fucking fool who's so enamored of his (or her) own self-righteous positions that it never occurs to you that just MAYBE you've been played for an idiot.

Because you have, Adrian. You and Paul and all those who see US as being the bad guys who MUST be stopped for world peace? Oh, you HAVE.

The biggest problem with wh... (Below threshold)

The biggest problem with what Pelosi is saying against the CIA is she could be using this as a distraction tactic for something else. Its not what you know, but what you can prove, and whoa boy, is that a pandora's box.

The CIA lies all the time about what they are doing, and are one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. I am amazed anyone would work for them, unless they were in a compartment and had no clue as to how they've swindle the American people. What Pelosi knew about their actions, and what she is saying is just the work of another politician. They could very well be patting her on the head saying,"That's a good little Nancy!"

Paul Buffoon "Nanc... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Paul Buffoon

"Nancy Pelosi may have made some very stupid and absurd contradictory statements regarding this affair. But the the truth be known, she never supported leading prisoners around on dogleashes, waterboarding or supporting torture like many of her claimed accusers do"

Actually I dont know of anyone other than a few stupid people who happened to be soldiers that advocated leading people around on dog leashes. ALthough I am sure you will find quite a few folks in Pelosi's district that like that kind of stuff.

Nor have I seen any support torture. Waterboarding yes but torture no.

YOu are trying to do as most lefties and just automatically claim your defintion of torture is the only one.

Also how do you know what Pelosi did and didnt want? WHich one of her contradictory statements did you glean your information from or do you have an inside track on this information?

Telling the truth is easy. You dont have to look at your notes or reread your statement or not take questions if you are speaking the truth. You say it and repeat what you said if asked again.

Pelosi didnt do that. Your sticking up for her is amusing though not suprising.

As for who is for torture? Well maybe we should ask someone who has gone on record as saying that he might be up for almost anything done to prisoners depending on the circumstances.

That would be chuckie schumer

Here's Chuck Schumer, the highly partisan senator from New York, talking
about "torture" at a Senate hearing: "I'd like to interject a note of
balance here ... I think there are probably very few people in this room
or in America who would say that torture should never be used,
particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. Take the hypothetical:
If we knew there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city and we
believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a
chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is that most Americans and most senators, maybe all, would say: 'Do what you have to do.' "

But that was in 2004, before common sense in the party of FDR, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy suffered grievous wounds.

JC Hammer"The Republ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

JC Hammer
"The Republicans say they want Nancy Pelosi to resign because she did not impeach Bush and Cheney for committing torture"

No we want Pelosi to resign because she is a stupid leftist twit (like you) who has been caught lying repeatedly and politicizing matters of national security.

And again Bush and Cheney did not commit, authorize, promote, or allow torture to happen.

1. Posted by Paul Hooson | ... (Below threshold)

1. Posted by Paul Hooson | May 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Score: -25 (25 votes cast)

You know, jerkoffs conflate things like this.

25. Posted by Adrian Browne... (Below threshold)

25. Posted by Adrian Browne | May 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Score: -12 (14 votes cast)

What are you having done at the dentist, dimbulb?

This situation cannot possi... (Below threshold)

This situation cannot possibly be left as it is. Either there is a genuine security problem at the CIA which demands attention or Nancy Pelosi is a damned liar.

Democrats' refusal to investigate the matter either constitutes a Constitutional abrogation of responsibilities or they too know she is a damned liar.

The Republicans sa... (Below threshold)
The Republicans say they want Nancy Pelosi to resign because she did not impeach Bush and Cheney for committing torture.

That the Dems view and we know they were briefed on everything when it happened. They want to send people to jail for following orders that they knew existed. You cannot seek to send others to jail acting on order that you knew about and approved of.

I do not look at water-boarding as torture. IN every other document case involving water TORTURE not water-boarding unless you believe that we torture every American that goes through SERE.

What we are asking for is CONSTANCY






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