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Obama Throws Van Under The Bus


President Obama's green czar, Van Jones, has resigned. Even though Jones has been outed as a marxist, 9/11 truther, and a racist, the Obama administration announced his resignation in the middle of the night of a holiday weekend.

Kim adds: Even more ridiculous is Jones' statement that his resignation happened because "opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against" him. Only liberals (let me rephrase that) self-consumed radicals think holding them responsible for their own statements is a vicious smear campaign against them. Bloggers did what the mainstream media refused to do and pointed out that Jones was a truther (And don't even try to say he didn't know what he was signing in 2004. His trutherism goes back to 2002.), that he accused white polluters and environmentalists of poisoning the black community (he was captured on video!), that he called former President Bush a crackhead (again he was captured on video!) that he said only white kids shot up schools(again he was captured on video!), and that he called Republicans assholes (again he was caught on video!). Now that all his radicalism has been exposed, he's crying "that's not fair!" What a freaking baby. You said it all, buddy. Man up and own it.

Update: The obvious: Obama is creating all these czars because it is the only way he could get his radical friends in the White House to implement their dreams of radically transforming America. As Ed Morrissey reminds us, Obama would have never nominated Jones if he had to sit through a Senate confirmation hearing because Jones' radical past would surely have come out and to much larger fanfair as the mainstream media would have been forced to report his radical history. With no hearings, the MSM can remain willfully ignorant, which forces bloggers and Glenn Beck to uncover everything and allows the MSM to continue their meme of "the right wing attack machine is trying to bring down our president!"

Update II: I received an email from a fellow conservative blogger who made this observation that I agree with fully:

[T]he only TV outlet that covered his crap was Fox. That's it. Fox News is the mainstream media. All other outlets are on the fringe. I think we need to keep that in mind.

In addition to Fox News, there were many invaluable bloggers, especially Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit.

Bill Kristol was right to acknowledge that, too:

I think it would have been better if he were fired by the president once he found out more about Mr. Jones's background than waiting for him to resign because we all agreed that he had to go.

But, I was amused by this fact. If you just read the New York Times you would know nothing about this. The mainstream media did not cover this story. You wouldn't learn about it on network news. The New York Times readers tomorrow morning are going to pick up the print New York Times and for the first time discover that there was a huge controversy about this radical who was quite at a high level at the White House. So its a an interesting case study I think where some of the blogs, a guy named Jim Hoft in St. Louis, Missouri who runs a blog called Gateway Pundit did much more reporting on this than the entire mainstream media.


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Comments (110)

See ya, Van! Now you can s... (Below threshold)
Elroy Jetson:

See ya, Van! Now you can spend all of your time trying to prove Bush did 9/11. Win win for everyone. Good luck with that.
Keep it real (for a change), Mr. Jones.

Vroom Vroom.... Beep Beep!!... (Below threshold)

Vroom Vroom.... Beep Beep!!!

Next Stop?

Couldnt happen to a nicer g... (Below threshold)

Couldnt happen to a nicer guy.

So whats that leave us? 30, 40 czars to go?

"Obama administration annou... (Below threshold)

"Obama administration announced his resignation in the middle of the night of a holiday weekend."

Apparently this is the type of transparency this administration will continue to provide.

ok thats step 1ste... (Below threshold)

ok thats step 1

step 2 is now fire the idot who offered van jones the job in the first place.

fire the radicle fcc czar who is iciting race in almost all his speeches. the country is past this when will Obama's appointees relize we are no longer in the 50's

Apparently some on the righ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Apparently some on the right can't be appeased. After calling for Jones' resignation for weeks, when it finally occurs you characterize it as "Obama throws Jones under the bus." Did you want the guy gone or not?

As for the timing, please name a Bush administration official who resigned 10 minutes before Good Morning America started. Or an official of ANY administration since the TV era began.

Please grow up.

I didn't think Van Jones sh... (Below threshold)
Carl F.:

I didn't think Van Jones should've been forced to resign. I believe he was properly and thoroughly vetted by the Obama team and found to be exactly the kind of person they wanted. After all, he is not any different than the kinds of people that have been working with and around Obama all his adult life.

Everyone please keep your e... (Below threshold)

Everyone please keep your eyes on Herr Von Jones.

While Herr B Hussayn Frank Marshall Davis 0zero and Herr Bill Ayres and Herr Jeremiah Wright and Herr Sheik Muhummad Khalid and the rest of the Soros Gang get on with the rest of their agenda.

That's one down, only 30 mo... (Below threshold)

That's one down, only 30 more to go. Will Sunstein be the next one that "Walks on Water" will throws under the short bus? Guess we will have to wait and see.

Bruce Henry - "After callin... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Bruce Henry - "After calling for Jones' resignation for weeks, when it finally occurs you characterize it as "Obama throws Jones under the bus." Did you want the guy gone or not?"

How else could his resignation by characterized? Do you maintain that Jones just up and volunteered to leave? Or did a "hatchet man" call him up and tell him that the President was willing to accept his resignation, no later than 4:00 PM today please?

It's going to be interesting to see where this little weed pop-ups next. 2 to 1 odds it's at some private social agency that gets lots of federal dollars. And certainly at no loss in salary for Mr. Jones.

Van Jones is an avowed Comm... (Below threshold)
Jimmy Redding:

Van Jones is an avowed Communist.Obama is too,although he denies it.These Csars were not selected by Congress,and answer only to chairman Obama.I fear for our Republic.All these radicals want to tear our country apart,but now we all know the ugly truth.
Wake Up America.

Looks like ol' Van Jones is... (Below threshold)

Looks like ol' Van Jones is going to have to buy himeself a VAN and start selling fruits and veggies by the side of the road since he don't have a job like millions of other americans now.

After reading the comment s... (Below threshold)

After reading the comment section of the WP article, it seems most lefties think this is only about the "asshole" and twoofer incidents.

The media never covered the most radical of his statements, all on video, and will now be forced to address it and show those videos too, and how this administration associates with this kind of racial and moonbattery rolled up into one non-vetted czar.

Regardless of the timing, this will dominate a few days of news cycles and every other kooky thing his band of czars has said and stand for will be further exposed to those that are not of the news junkie variety.

Independents and non far-far left Democrats will finally see who this President surrounds himself with and what they truly believe and how this ties to the beliefs of Obama.

Before the election most of us knew Obama was a far left zealot, but he campaigned as a moderate and the media pretended that was he was too. Now that myth will be further squashed.

Be prepared for a lot of lefty websites defending "whitey is intentionally poisoning minorities" as truth to power and how this is more proof of Republican racism.

This is win-win all around for the good guys as the Democratic Party implodes by their own words and deeds.

God bless America.

"Van thrown under bus."... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

"Van thrown under bus."

Metaphor fail. Buses don't run over vans. Not even minivans.

Obviously, Obama isn't driving a bus, but a Monster Truck.


Rahmmy called up Van Jones ... (Below threshold)

Rahmmy called up Van Jones yesterday in Chicago thug style and told him his time was up. Resign or take a walk in Fort Marcy Park.

y'all remember the great co... (Below threshold)

y'all remember the great comedian Chris Farley on Saturday Night Live doing the comedy act where he lived in a " VAN " down by the rive?? haha.....Surely Van Jones received a big enough farewell bonus to afford a Cadillac anyway though? ya think?

Thank God america is Waking... (Below threshold)

Thank God america is Waking up and seeing the truth about the Obama Administration. speaking of waking up...Zzzzzzzzzzz believe i'll go back to bed ! This sort of makes me sleep better!

All of the Czars have to go... (Below threshold)

All of the Czars have to go. I know that all the recent administrations have used them. But, this sheds light on how they've been abused.

I can't believe that Bruce Henry watches Good Morning America. Now that's funny!

See YA JONES!!!!!Im ... (Below threshold)

See YA JONES!!!!!
Im wondering about obama he still feels he should stay! This is scary, because every body knows Jones is a communist. So is Obama thoughts the same????

don't be fooled, this van g... (Below threshold)

don't be fooled, this van guy is still in the background, just as jeramiah wright,ayers,his czars,tom daschel, etc. obama and his people have an agenda and he will not stop.he knows that he is a one term president, they all know this.

pray for our country and if you are a believer, devine intervention.

Glad that Jones is gone, bu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Glad that Jones is gone, but that's not really the important point. Obama's appointment of Van Jones to a powerful government position shows a troubling pattern. Obama knew or should have known about Jones being a Marxist, a truther, and about his negative comments toward people of other races. However, just as with his association with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers, Obama doesn't see anything wrong with the views these people express until they become a political liability to him. Palin was right to warn America about Obama's palling around with terrorists. We see now that it shows what's really in Obama's heart.

Mac Lorry,You're s... (Below threshold)

Mac Lorry,

You're spot on. Of course, Obama knew about this guy's past. Valerie Jarrett even said at one point, and she was caught on video, too, that she was thrilled they were able to recruit him into the White House. She said they have been watching him for as long as he's been active in Oakland. Of course they knew about his radicalism, only they don't see his views as radical. To them, they are totally reasonable and in line with their own, which tells you why he had to misrepresent himself and his views as moderate during the campaign. He and his cohorts are completely out of touch from the vast majority of America.

So, perceived Truthers, out... (Below threshold)
Broadway Carl:

So, perceived Truthers, out. Birthers, deathers and nutballs bringing automatic weapons to health care forums, IN. Okay, got it.

We NEED a triple-header!! ... (Below threshold)

We NEED a triple-header!! Van - Valerie - and guess Who!!

I see Broadway Carl thinks ... (Below threshold)

I see Broadway Carl thinks he has something intelligent to say. Can't even tell the difference between a semi-automatic and automatic weapon. And conveniently forgets the BLACK guy doing so was standing with Obama supporters.

As far as the left is conce... (Below threshold)

As far as the left is concerned, there is NOTHING more unfair than confronting a leftist with the truth. Oh, those evil, corrupt smear-merchants on the right--how DARE they expose Jones with HIS OWN WORDS!!

I believe that Obama and hi... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

I believe that Obama and his crowd define themselves the same way they parse words and (re)define everything else.

Just as there is no longer a war on terrorism simply because they refuse to use those words, they (Obama,Ayers,Jones, Rev. Wright, et. al.) are not radicals because they refuse to use that word to describe themselves.

Of course it's all just semantics, but the radicals in the administration have gambled on that being sufficient to fool the sleeping masses, Certainly they knew they could count on the MSM not doing anything to awaken them, so it was a reasonable gamble. Prior to the rise of the new media on the internet it would have even been a safe gamble.

Mr. Lorry and Ms. Priestap ... (Below threshold)

Mr. Lorry and Ms. Priestap have this pegged. Paraphrasing a commenter on another site: look at Van and you see what Obama is minus the handler's spin.

Jones isn't *gone.* He's j... (Below threshold)

Jones isn't *gone.* He's just going to be working behind the scenes. He may be more dangerous there.

"What a bunch of illiterate ya'll pappy scum bags on this board.
28. Posted by isms"

Another proud graduate of the Jon Carry Skool of Perfesshunal Perfekniss.

Bruce"As fo... (Below threshold)
retired military:


As for the timing, please name a Bush administration official who resigned 10 minutes before Good Morning America started."

Well the White house announced Harriet Miers withdrew her nomination on Oct 27, 2005 which is a Thurs. Not exactly 10 min prior to Good Morning America but I remember it was around noon time.

That isnt exactly 5 am on a Sunday with Monday being a holiday.

Yes conservatives wanted him gone. That wasnt the point. The point was that Obama has a pattern. Any time one of his figures gets too controversial he is gone no matter what. The pattern is also that a halfway decent vetting process would catch the problems before the person is announced in the first place and not after tax evasion, I hate whitey, etc statements are found on google.

One is led to believe that a. This administration is incompetent in the vetting process or b. that they are vetting the people and getting exaclty who they want.

Please choose a. or b. Bruce. But either one doesnt speak well for the Obama administration.

CharCzar gets Busted... (Below threshold)

CharCzar gets Busted !

The media never covered ... (Below threshold)

The media never covered the most radical of his statements, all on video, and will now be forced to address it and show those videos too, and how this administration associates with this kind of racial and moonbattery rolled up into one non-vetted czar.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to "address it". More likely, in the best of "1984" tradition, Van Jones will become an instant unperson instead.


What a bunch of illiterate ... (Below threshold)

What a bunch of illiterate ya'll pappy scum bags on this board.

28. Posted by isms

Yet, surprisingly, we can communicate in complete sentences. Why not try it some time.

The New York Slimes and the... (Below threshold)

The New York Slimes and the rest of the lamestream media finally does a piece on the Van Johnson story, after two weeks of silence. Of course, the stories paints Jones in a favorable light. The stories also go on to blame Fox News, Glenn Beck, in particular and the conservative bloggers for hounding him unmercifully. What a load of crap.

Beck is a hero in my book. He has exposed the whole sordid mess that is in the White House. If it had not been for Beck, the Obamaites would gotten what they wanted. We need to support Beck 100% and help him expose these criminals for what they are. Obama and crew makes Slick Willie out to be an honest man.

The media never covered ... (Below threshold)

The media never covered the most radical of his statements, all on video, and will now be forced to address it and show those videos too, and how this administration associates with this kind of racial and moonbattery rolled up into one non-vetted czar....Jumpinjoe

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to "address it". More likely, in the best of "1984" tradition, Van Jones will become an instant unperson instead...Paul_In_Houston

I thought about that too in this case. But since much of what Van Jones has said is on video, Obama's media allies will have a harder time hiding this stuff or further expose their bias as other news outlets show them. Hence the reason MSNBC is tanking because they are still in cheerleader mode rather than diversity of facts.

Funny thing too.....I posted on the AOL boards some of Kim's links of Van Jones comments and I claimed liberals will blame our lying eyes.

Sure enough some lefty called them "Fox's video lies".

So kooky....So moonbat-ish........So predictable.

And they think they are the party of intellectuals.

There are a lot more of Oba... (Below threshold)

There are a lot more of Obama's czars to check on, one by one. Jones was just one of several whose backgrounds prove that the Obama Administration is the most incomptent and corrupt since Harding.

You would think Obama would... (Below threshold)

You would think Obama would have thrown his back out by now with all that heaving of corrupt friends.

By the time his term is up, he's going to need his own sponsored death panel to deal with his crippled back and post traumatic stress disorder..

Of course by than we may al... (Below threshold)

Of course by than we may all be suffering from the latter as well.

Now that all his radi... (Below threshold)

Now that all his radicalism has been exposed, he's crying "that's not fair!" What a freaking baby. You said it all, buddy. Man up and own it.

Exactly Kim. Wonder how these whiners would handle some full on Defcon Level 5 Cheney hate? Jones is just another hot house tomato that can't survive outside the bubble.

It is enlightening to see w... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

It is enlightening to see what it takes for someone to be so radical that even the Democratic party has to dump them. A hell of a lot. It is depressing to see how low an American political party has sunk, and how willing its members to look the other way.

I have to take exception to the accusation that Van called the president a crackhead. I watched the video. It seems to me that he was accusing the president of having a crackhead-like addiction to oil. His comparison to drug addiction, undignified and inappropriate as it was, is typical liberal fodder (sadly). We owe it to ourselves to keep the facts straight.

"vicious smear campaign" </... (Below threshold)

"vicious smear campaign"

Yeah. That's what liberals say whenever you quote them correctly!

Retired Military wrote:... (Below threshold)

Retired Military wrote:

One is led to believe that a. This administration is incompetent in the vetting process or b. that they are vetting the people and getting exaclty who they want.

Please choose a. or b. Bruce. But either one doesnt speak well for the Obama administration.

The logic of this is inescapable to all but liberals, who, incredibly, manage a third choice, which is that, somehow, the Republicans are to blame.

Brucie H. is such a lib lem... (Below threshold)

Brucie H. is such a lib lemming. Kind of sad.

Let's not forget that this ... (Below threshold)

Let's not forget that this militant, arrogant
racist is a part of Obama's team.....and a
part of Obama. He was chosen for a reason.
While I revel in his demise, I realize that
there are many Van Jones' in the Obama circle.
They're just his kinda folks.

"The logic of this is inesc... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

"The logic of this is inescapable to all but liberals, who, incredibly, manage a third choice, which is that, somehow, the Republicans are to blame." iwogisdead

You need a cooperative audience to sell the stuff the Dems are pushing, iwogisdead. Currently they are blaming a party which doesn't even have the votes to sustain a filibuster with "blocking health care reform." And we see a fair numbers of true believers come in and try to peddle that same load of crap here. Unbelievable!

"Kim adds: Even more rid... (Below threshold)
Stephanie Birrell:

"Kim adds: Even more ridiculous is Jones' statement that his resignation happened because "opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against" him. Only liberals (let me rephrase that) self-consumed radicals think holding them responsible for their own statements is a vicious smear campaign against them.

Obviously it was a smear campaign, and a successful one at that.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be held responsible for his words - he should. But the reason we're talking about this is that a smear campaign was launched against Jones by Glenn Beck.

Call a spade a spade -- this was a smear campaign.

Stephanie Birrell,... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Stephanie Birrell,

Are you stupid?


a. Vilification or slander.
b. A vilifying or slanderous remark.


Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community.

Wow. Thirteen minutes after... (Below threshold)

Wow. Thirteen minutes after I post number 43, Stephanie Birrell posts proof of my statement. Either I'm really smart or liberals are really stupid, and I'm not that smart.

#49 It's official. You are... (Below threshold)

#49 It's official. You are smart and liberals
ARE dumb. It's simultaneity of facts. Ms.
Birrel has her head in a barrel. Jones smeared
himself with his volatile rhetoric. To point
this out is not unfair.

"But the reason we're talki... (Below threshold)

"But the reason we're talking about this is that a smear campaign was launched against Jones by Glenn Beck. Call a spade a spade -- this was a smear campaign."

So REPEATING what someone said is "smearing them"? Get a dictionary.

You some kind of RACIST Stephanie? What's with the SPADE comment? See Steph? Now that's a SMEAR. Catch the NUANCE?

Before the left gets into a... (Below threshold)

Before the left gets into a definitions tug of war:


abusive and disparaging

While Glen may have disparaged the fellow, he wasn't particularly abusive about it, and the fellow deserved being represented accurately as being worthy of disparagement.

<a href="http://www.answers... (Below threshold)
Stephanie Birrell:

Smearing me won't change reality.

Smear is: "To stain or attempt to destroy the reputation of; vilify: political enemies who smeared his name."

It was a smear campaign. Be honest enough to admit it. I'm not saying "smear" is a bad thing, so put your little guilt trips aside and try to not lash out like children, but it was a smear campaign.

Glenn Beck launched a smear campaign against Jones because of the ad boycott against Beck. You guys are pretty uninformed if you don't know that, and pretty dishonest if you know it but won't admit it.

Get informed, and learn english. This is America, we speak english here. He was smeared.

Here's another definition - from Webster's:

"3 : a usually unsubstantiated charge or accusation against a person or organization --often used attributively [a smear campaign][a smear job]"

"Usually" indicates "not always". In this case it was a smear campaign that was substantiated.

Still a smear. Calling me stupid only points out your own lack of education and/or dishonesty.

If you spit on me and I wip... (Below threshold)

If you spit on me and I wipe it off on your dress, have I smeared you, Stephanie?

Were you unable to read the... (Below threshold)
Stephanie Birrell:

Were you unable to read the two dictionary definitions, epador?

Look - Kim apparently doesn't understand what the word "smear" means in this context and uses that apparent lack of understand to launch her rant against liberals, and so it's not surprising that there are a few vocal readers of this blog who are equally uninformed and vocal.

I'm just pointing out that you're wrong, and just because there were facts behind the smear campaign that doesn't change the fact that it was still a smear campaign, launched by Glenn Beck in retaliation against the ad boycott...

....just like Jones said.

Who cares Stephanie...your ... (Below threshold)

Who cares Stephanie...your little commie is gone...and that is all that matters. CHECKMATE!

53:A smear, to me, i... (Below threshold)

A smear, to me, is to take a little part of what someone did, said, or implied and spread it in such a way as to give the impression that the 'smeared' part represents the whole of the person. When the information represents actions or ideas repeated over and again for years, then there is no smear.

No, Stephanie -You... (Below threshold)

No, Stephanie -

You ARE in fact pretty stupid - and as you're a simple liberal, I'm pretty appalled at your playing the 'English' card here.

Van Jones IS a Marxist, racist Troofer douchebag, and his own words from his own mouth exposed him as such. Informing the largely misinformed American public is merely a service, not a smear. The public deserves to know more about the slime that Zero is appointing to unaccountable positions of power.

How's my English? Can you hear me now?

Glenn Beck launche... (Below threshold)
Glenn Beck launched a smear campaign against Jones because of the ad boycott against Beck. You guys are pretty uninformed if you don't know that, and pretty dishonest if you know it but won't admit it.


The ad boycott was instituted by the Color of Change group, because they did not want Jones' bs to come to light. They tried everything that they could think of to smear Beck. When those tactics did not work, they resorted to the age old boycott. Only the boycott backfired. It made the Glenn Beck Show, the most highly rated show in that time slot, on cable and on the alphabet networks.

Jones is and was a radical ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Jones is and was a radical communist. The White house intended to keep the truth of Jones' true beliefs secret because his purpose and theirs is the same. When a small portion of the media did just the slightest amout of investigative work to find out who some of these advisors (Czars) are they find rot. When the spot light of truth is put on the rats, they surry back into the darkness from which they came. Van Jones is not gone, he just left the spot light. It is Obama who must be removed.

Actually,there is some hist... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Actually,there is some historical president for what Stephanie is saying. Anyone remember the statement, "It all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is?"

So Stephanie, is that the hill you've chosen to die on?

Stephanie:1) You are... (Below threshold)

1) You are either unable or unwilling to answer my question (54).
2) I am quite able to read the "dictionary definitions" and have applied them, as have others here (most recently notably 57-59) Your prejudice seems to be blinding you and your comments.
3) Mr. Van Jones is not a victim of a smear campaign. He is the victim of the consistency of his own deranged and distorted words and actions both present and past brought to light.
4) Any comment from you as to the negligent silence of most media to expose him up to the current time?

Conservative Christian radi... (Below threshold)

Conservative Christian radicals in gov't positions = a-ok.

Liberal radicals = sign of nascant Stalinism/Fascism/Islamofascism.


Obama resides in GD America... (Below threshold)

Obama resides in GD America Wrights church 20+ years.

Obama befriends and backroom deals with Chavez, Castro, Ahmahdjibbyjab.

Obama learns from and agrees with Ayers, Allinski and Johnson.

All rightwing smearjobs set up by conservatives.

Apparently Obama agrees wit... (Below threshold)

Apparently Obama agrees with the majority of posters on this board that it is inappropriate for Jones to serve in a government position. Whether that's because of his Stalinism, or something else, like his racism or general goofiness, is something that Obama will have to tell us.

Jim:When you refer... (Below threshold)


When you refer to "conservative Christian radicals" to whom are you referring to exactly? And I would think that most normal people would think that "liberal radical" is a pretty tame definition of who Van Jones is politically and personally.

The bottom line is the undisputed facts about Van Jones are what forced his resignation. Whether he did this to keep it from becoming a distraction to Obama or whether Obama threw him under the bus is the question. I find it very unsettling though that the White House has not chosen to condemn Jones' personal views despite given several opportunities by the MSM to do so. I think Obama's only chance to save his presidency is to emulate Clinton and move closer to the political center and his refusal to disassociate himself with such repugnant views I think may well have closed that door of opportunity.

Obama is toast and he knows... (Below threshold)

Obama is toast and he knows it. He will have the distinction of being the absolute worst president this country has ever had in its history. I think that I can speak for most here, that James Earl Carter had that going away, but not now. The Van Jones thing is just another nail of him being tossed out on his ear in 2012. To bad tarring and feathering is not politically correct anymore

I second that Stan.<p... (Below threshold)

I second that Stan.

Worst President ever.

Those who have read my comm... (Below threshold)

Those who have read my comments have seen me continually call Obama an empty suit with no experience. Eventually the middle will wake up. They did. I didn't expect it this soon.

Stephanie, if you really want to see what a smear campaign is, look up what happened to Palin and her family. I am really hoping you are not as dense as your comments indicate. ww

Poor Stephanie; can't get t... (Below threshold)

Poor Stephanie; can't get the definition of smear correct and by her comments; can't even get the series of events correct.

The Color Of Change (which BTW is connected to Jones), began its boycott of Beck's show in response to Beck's comments about Jone's past.

Or, dear Stephanie, are you about to re-write history as well? Not surprising, the Soviets were past masters of that.

Early this morning I was pr... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Early this morning I was pressed for time, so I didn't click on Kevin's links. Did any of you? Did Kevin?

Because they don't prove what Kevin says they prove.

The one where he "outs himself" on video as a Marxist? He is actually MOCKING "marxists, anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists....all in therapy!"

The one where he's a "racist?" Can any of you say he's wrong? HAS a black kid ever shot up a school? No? So where's the racism?

Did he call Bush a crackhead? No, he said he was sounding like one in his refusal to try to get off his "addiction to oil."

And if you don't think minority communities bear more than their share of environmental poisons, you haven't been reading up on the subject.

It seems that most of the commenters here took Beck's word for it that Jones was some kind of super-radical, but just look at the links offered here as proof, and I think the over-the-top comments here should have you wiping egg off your faces.

Oh, and the Republicans as assholes thing? Everybody has an opinion. He's entitled to his. I'm sure that most of you would use even juicier language for Democrats, am I wrong?

Face it Brucie you are alwa... (Below threshold)

Face it Brucie you are always wrong.

Stephanie"Here's a... (Below threshold)
retired military:


"Here's another definition - from Webster's:

"3 : a usually unsubstantiated charge or accusation against a person or organization --often used attributively [a smear campaign][a smear job]""

Try reading what you wrote. Look up UNSUBSTANTIATED. The accusations against JONES were WELL SUBSTANTIATED WITH VIDEO.

Only in a liberal's mind is it a smear when you show video of them saying something that is totally unacceptable to society as a whole.


I have seen the clips of Van Jones. I have read what he wrote and heard what he said.

He states he is not and never was a truther yet there is ample evidence to show that he is.

He states that he isnt a racist yet there is ample proof to who that he is.

He stated specificy that he was a communist.

If one of Bush's advisors had exactly done something with the exact same standards of proof then the press would have been all over it as well as the democrat party.

Shall we look at some examples of republicans who have been "hanged" with even less standards of proof.

a. The word Macaca

b. Trent Lott at Strahm Thurmonds bday party. (before you bring up seperatist remember Chris Dodd stating that KKK Byrd always represented the best of America (or something along those lines).

Shall we discuss Barney Frank and the call boy ring vs the idiot Senator in the airport bathroom?

Shall we talk about Rangels little indiscretions?

In short Bruce, Van Jones got a free ride from 95 percent of the MSM and did far worse than republicans who have lost their jobs for a lot less.

So Bruce you're claiming Va... (Below threshold)

So Bruce you're claiming Van Jones resigned because I didn't view all the videos. Right.

And the stupid broad is claiming a smear includes telling the truth "by definition."

America is doomed, isn't it?

Hey, like you say, the stor... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Hey, like you say, the story wasn't widely reported. I'm starting to think maybe rightfully so, since if these videos are all you got, they don't prove anything dark or sinister.

And Mr RM, if he "stated specificy" that he was a communist on one of the videos that you claim to have seen, why didn't Kevin post it here? Why don't you? (If you don't know how to post links, don't feel bad. I don't either, but at least point out how to find this video clip.) Because Kevin posts a link that purports to prove Jones is a marxist which doesn't prove that at all.

The fact is that none of the video clips posted here prove ANYTHING CLOSE to what has been alleged. Except for the stupid "truther" nonsense, if these links are the whole case against Van Jones, there is no case. If there's more out there, let's see 'em.

BruceI did not say... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I did not say that he said "I am a communist" on one of the videos.

He stated it after the Rodney King verdict


"Speaking to the East Bay Express, Jones said he first became radicalized in the wake of the 1992 Rodney King riots, during which time he was arrested.

"I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist.

"I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary," he said.

Bruce I said above... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I said above

"I have seen the clips of Van Jones. I have read what he wrote and heard what he said.


The statements following that were not meant to be indicative of both but of either/ or.

Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, you're right, Bruce H... (Below threshold)

Yeah, you're right, Bruce Henry. Obama is a compete dweeb for forcing Van Jones to resign. What was Obama thinking? How could he let a great mind like Van Jones go from his administration? What kind of an idiot is Obama, anyway? Thanks for shining the light on this injustice, Bruce Henry!!

So you haven't seen any vid... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

So you haven't seen any video of Jones saying he was a communist. You have an article on the ever-so-prestigious WorldNetDaily citing an article in something called the East Bay Express (no link to that) in which WND quotes Jones.

(Earth to RM: World Net Daily is a nutjob website, just so you know.)

Now, Mr RM, I know you have a problem with the concept of "hyperbole." You also seem to feel that everything a person says must follow them around for the rest of their lives until they apologise or explain to your satisfaction.

That is, if that person is a Democrat.

If they're Trent Lott, and say that "This country wouldn't have had all these problems all these years" if we had elected the unapologetic racist Strom Thurmond the President of the United States, then that's OK.

Got it.

Not really defending Jones ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Not really defending Jones here, Mr iwogisdead. Just pointing out that what has been posted here does not prove the case against him. Far from it.

There may be lots more of which I am unaware, but you'd never know it from the weak evidence posted here.

It may be hard for conservatives to understand, but not everyone is predisposed to believe something because someone else thinks they should. Looking at the clips posted above, plenty of reasonable people would say, "What's so bad about that?"

OK. Most posters to this si... (Below threshold)

OK. Most posters to this site use other sources to confirm their info. Do you want to debate whether Van is a communist? How about this:


Of course, the bottom line question remains: why did Obama force this person to resign?

Bruce HenryWhereas... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

Whereas, I dont normally hold WND up as a shining light of journalism they can still be sued for such things as Libel. If Van Jones didnt say that quote than they can easily be sued. On top of that Van Jones has not, to my knowledge, has not disavowed the statement such as he did the truther petition.

In short, I have a link to a direct quote which has not been disavowed nor proven incorrect. iwogisdead has also provided the original sourcing of that quote from a source which I assume you will agree is not a "right wing propaganda machine".

As for your Trent Lott quote if you look above we have a quote by Chris Dodd discussing how KKK Byrd reprents all that is good with America. I, for one, was glad to see Lott gone. However, I am merely pointing out the double standards which is given to the political parties by the mainstream media.

You, very notably, failed to address the macaca statement and the resulting fallout vs the numerous statements by Van Jones on tape along with signed documentary evidence.

Again, if a republican had made anything like these statements made by Van Jones he would have been ran out town on rails by the MSM and the dems.

You also failed to address either the failure of the vetting process or the success of it (pick your poison).

So please answer this question.

Did they not vet Van Jones well enough or did they find out about the statements/videos out of him and decided he was want they wanted anyway?

The article indeed has the ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

The article indeed has the quote RM mentioned. It also goes on to refer to Jones' actions "since his communist days." So apparently, those days are long past. Hence my scolding RM about making Democrats wear a Scarlet Letter for every stupid hyperbolic statement they ever make, but not Republicans.

By the way, did you know that Irving Kristol, Bill's dad and founder of the neo-conservative movement, was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party?

As to your bottom line question, that premise is flawed. It has not been established that Obama forced him to resign. The only fact you know for sure is that he resigned. There was no mention of being forced in the man's statement.

Mr RM, we don't have a Dodd... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Mr RM, we don't have a Dodd quote. We have your partial recollection of what Dodd said about Byrd. You even used the phrase, "or something along those lines."

RE: "Macaca", the VOTERS rejected that asshole. They got a bargain, too. Webb is twice the Senator Allen could ever have been.

You surprise me, RM. I thought you would have voted for Webb, a combat veteran, over Allen, an admitted draft-dodger.

You do have a direct Jones quote, and the source appears to be legitimate. However, you apparently didn't read the whole article. My advice is to post links that actually prove your point.

I mean, to people who actually read whole articles.

Then we have a hypothetical running out of town after a hypothetical Republican hypothetically saying something hypothetically equivalent to the supposedly outrageous things you think Jones said. Good job.

Bruce, what? What article s... (Below threshold)

Bruce, what? What article says "since his communist days"?

And, allegations about Irving Kristol mean what?

Lordy, lordy, your post (83) is so outlandish that no amount of Bushmills (and believe me, I've tried) can clear it up. Do you want to debate about whether Van wanted to resign?

How about this from the article above

The president does not endorse Jones's past statements and actions, "but he thanks him for his service," Gibbs said.A White House official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a personnel matter, said Jones's past was not studied as intensively as other advisers because of his relatively low rank.

Are you saying that Obama believes in Van Jones and his commentary, and disagrees with his resignation?

Van Jones is gone. Either his decision is wrong, or you are wrong, or Obama is wrong, or some mysterious right wing conspiracy thingy is in control of everything (except the 2008 election) or something.

Grow up, already. Boogy-people Republicans can't be blamed for Van Jones or tooth decay or arthritis or a whole bunch of other stuff that makes your world unpleasant.

Brucie grow up?...not going... (Below threshold)

Brucie grow up?...not going to happen.

The same article from the E... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

The same article from the East Bay Express that has the quote you and RM cited is the same article that, a few paragraphs later, contains the phrase, "since his communist days."

Jesus, I expected a lack of reading comprehension from RM, but I thought you, sir, would want to read the whole article that you use as evidence.

The thing about Kristol was, again, for RM's benefit. Kristol was a communist in the 1930s, as were many others who later came to regret it. Just posted it to demonstrate that people's political orientations often change over the years.

I don't know where you came up with the rest of your rant. Tooth decay, arthritis, thingies? Maybe the Bushmill's? I don't know whether Obama wanted him to resign or not, and neither do you. He probably did, but that can only be inferred, not established, by anything I've seen here.

You're willing to take the man's word when he says he was once a communist. But not when he says his resignation was voluntary. You're probably right, but not conclusively so, is all I'm saying.

Michael, if all you can say... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Michael, if all you can say is on the level of "Not going to happen" or "Liberals=Nazis" or "Face it, you're always wrong," then you should probably keep quiet when adults are speaking.

You're like a drunken comedy club heckler. Unfunny, obnoxious, and embarrasing to yourself.

Brucie your an audience of ... (Below threshold)

Brucie your an audience of one and a very unimpressive one at that.

Van Jones should stay.... (Below threshold)

Van Jones should stay.

BHO quoted from Rev Wright Sermon the Audacity of Hope
"White Man's greed runs a world in need"

BHO told an interviewer that Warren Court did not go far since it did not address "the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society."

Van Jones stated
so the white polluters and white environmentalist are essentially steering Poisson into the people of color community because they do not have racial justice frame.

They both see white people as bad and causing pain to others.

So how do we Get Economic Justice? Well Van Jones has it.

"Right now we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to 'eco-capitalism' where at least we're not fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet," Jones said. "Will that be enough? No, it won't be enough. We want to go beyond the systems of exploitation and oppression altogether."

"The green economy will start off as a small subset" of a "complete revolution" away from "gray capitalism" and toward "redistribution of all the wealth," he said. "And we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society."

Yep Wright, Van Jones Obama They call seem cut from the same cloth why.

So am going with RM b selection.

BH - Sorry to burst your de... (Below threshold)

BH - Sorry to burst your denial bubble, but I will just the same.

Jones was quoted by the East Bay Express in 2005, then his home town paper.

Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."
Read it and weep a'hole, as Van Jones would say.
Marc:Read the arti... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:


Read the article from East Bay Express. It's not hard to find; Mr iwogisdead linked to it. That's how I found it. Read the WHOLE article.

That's what we've just been discussing. Sheesh.

And Michael?

It's "YOU'RE an audience of one," not "your" an audience. But thanks for the drunken heckle. I see it only took you an hour and a half to think it up. Did your mom help, after you told her the mean mean man was making fun of you on the internet?

Have you ever posted more than one sentence at a time? Do you have anything to say? I mean, besides insults? Do you have anything to add?

BruceYou should kn... (Below threshold)


You should know by now not to question me on what I say.


You can look at the link of your choice. you should be able to find the following quotes at any number of them from Dodd

"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great senator at any moment." Dodd went on to say, "He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."

Again different standards for republicans and democrats.

REf Macaca - The press and the left pounced on one word the man said and took it out of context. It is hard to take things out of context when Van Jones was talking about Whitey and signing petitions as a truther.
You talk about reading whole articles yet you cant say (at least and be honest about it) that macaca wasnt taken out of context and the press and left demonized him because of it. Again different standards for republicans and democrats.

Speaking of reading comprehension Bruce (do you really want to go down the path of throwing stones at each other again?) you once again failed to answer the question (or did you just ignore it on purpose) which I assumed you comprehended (notice I didnt imply a lack of reading comprehension like you did).

Did they not vet Van Jones well enough or did they find out about the statements/videos out of him and decided he was want they wanted anyway?

Before you answer that I refer your attention to this.


A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts may be the most extensive -- some say invasive -- application ever.

The questionnaire includes 63 requests for personal and professional records, some covering applicants' spouses and grown children as well, that are forcing job-seekers to rummage from basements to attics, in shoe boxes, diaries and computer archives to document both their achievements and missteps...

...Mr. Obama has elevated the vetting even beyond what might have been expected, especially when it comes to applicants' family members, in a reflection of his campaign rhetoric against lobbying and the back-scratching, self-serving ways of Washington.

"President-elect Obama made a commitment to change the way Washington does business, and the vetting process exemplifies that," said Stephanie Cutter, chief spokeswoman for the Obama transition office.

So given the above is your answer

a. They failed to vet Van Jones (in which case they are liars as they stated to the NY Times they would do extensive vetting)


b. They vetted him and got who they wanted (a racist truther) ?

Please exercise your reading comprehension and answer the question.

BruceYou may want ... (Below threshold)
retired military:


You may want to take a look at some of the 7 pages of questions they asked as well.

questions such as

8.) Briefly describe the most controversial matters you have been involved with over the course of your career."

Would his answer to that being an acknowledged communist, supporting a cop killer, being a racist or being a truther>?

12.) Speeches: Please identify all speeches you have given. If available please provide the text or recordings of each such speech.

Should he refer them to youtube as a shortcut on this?

46.) Have any members of your family or close social or business associates ever been arrested for, charged with, or convicted of a crime other than a minor traffic violation?

I wonder if Van Jones told them about his arrest in 1992 after the Rodney King trial. You know where he admitted that as a result he became a communist.

I mean the White House can do a background check and determine arrests.

Bruce LInk to ques... (Below threshold)
retired military:


LInk to questionaire


Check out questions 10 (in light of his association with the publication Hard Times), 13,16, 17 (gee I wonder if whites would be welcome in his associations), 19, 45, 46, 58 (youtube may help), 61 ( I wonder if the CPUSA counts), 62 (I wonder if he mentioned Fox NEWS), and 63 (that one should be fun, I wonder if they have a page limit on the answers)

Wow, Mr RM, you've got way ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Wow, Mr RM, you've got way more time on your hands than I do.

I'll concede that Jones either was not properly vetted or that he was believed if he denied making controversial statements. And that he shouldn't have signed that Truther petition. I'll concede all your points on the vetting process.

I only commented on this at all because Kevin posted several links that did not prove his point. I believe I said, "There may be lots more of which I am unaware." So, you win on this as far as I'm concerned.

Now, regarding Allen, his caught-on-video moment where he used the racial slur "Macaca" led to finding out about a few more distasteful episodes from Allen's past. Such as stuffing decapitated deer heads into black folks' mailboxes as a college "prank" and using the N-word throughout his early career. When the voters became aware of this, they elected a combat veteran with a reputation for integrity, brains, and openmindedness. Your problem with that is what?

Pretty much the same story with Lott, only it wasn't the voters but his GOP colleagues who abandoned him after his 2002 endorsement of the Dixiecrat platform of 1948.

Thanks for the Dodd quote. Not questioning what you said, just pointing out that you hadn't provided it. The difference between Byrd and Thurmond is that Byrd changed his opinions about race and remained a Democrat, while Thurmond changed his party registration and remained a racist asshole.

Byrd was Grand Wizar... (Below threshold)

Byrd was Grand Wizard of Ku Klux Klan, in time when Klan killed people for sport. He was not a minor person. He showed enough conviction to get to the head of the pack. If Dodd was wrong for praising the man the Byrd should been forced out also.

It seems that you could Reichsmarschall des Grossdeutschen Reiches but as long as you get D after your name, your good to go.

You know, my grandfather wa... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

You know, my grandfather was in the Ku Klux Klan, way back in the 1920s, long before I was born, when my mom was a child. The Klan had 4 million members then, when the US had a population of 140 million.

He quit after a short time. My mom told me he got sick of minding other people's business. He was raised with certain prejudices, but changed over the years. When my dad asked for my mom's hand, he said, "Bob's a purty good ol' boy, even if he is a durn Cath'lic." He didn't like unfairness, and he hated bullies. He didn't want to be one, so he quit.

Now, I would never defend Byrd, or my grandfather for that matter, for being in the KKK. It was wrong to join in the 1940s, the 1920s, or even 1866. But like I say, Byrd renounced racism and remained a Democrat, while Thurmond renounced being a Democrat and remained a racist. There's a difference.

Bruce HenryAs I re... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

As I remember the Macaca incident it wasnt meant as a racial slur and it was considered an obscure term at that. I had never heard of the N word incident or the deer heads.

In fact


Allen stated "macaca or whatever his name is". I had to be honest dont think I have ever heard the wrod before that or if I had I thought the word probably meant was excrement.


"Macaca[1] is a pejorative epithet used by francophone colonialists in Central Africa's Belgian Congo for the native population.[2] It may be derived from the name of the genus comprising macaque monkeys. The word macaque has also been used as a racial slur. The macaque's genus name, Macaca, is a latinization of the Bantu (Kongo) ma-kako,[3] meaning "monkey".

In the United States, the term was at the center of a controversy during the 2006 United States Senate election in Virginia when it was used by the Republican incumbent, George Allen. Most Americans were unfamiliar with the term until continual media coverage revealed it to be a racial slur. Allen claims to be unaware of its racial context. Relating to the Allen controversy, "macaca" was named the most politically incorrect word of 2006 by Global Language Monitor, a nonprofit group that studies word usage.[4] The word was also a finalist for the American Dialect Society "Word of the Year" that same year."

Would you care to name any other slur words used by used by francophone colonialists in Central Africa's Belgian Congo?

Deer heads as college prank depending upon where you grew up could be excused even if the owners of the mail boxes were black. Was racial intent proven? College kids do stupid stuff and the reasons dont always go back to race. Shall we discuss whether Obama or Van Jones toilet papered white folks houses?

As for the N word. You seem to give Byrd a pass for his association with the Klan which in my eyes is far more of serious nature than uttering the n word especially given the times that they grew up in. I remember the 60s as I am sure you do and I think Allen is a bit older than I am. Not making excuses just pointing out facts.

Also you failed to mention that Allen denied both these allegations

"Allen insisted Monday that "The deer head story is... pure fabrication, absolutely false." The senator and several of his former classmates also have denied allegations that he routinely used the "n" word to refer to blacks. "

Shall we talk about the allegations that Hillary used the N word and denigrated people of Jewish descent while she was First Lady?

As for Thurmond, I have no proof that Thurmond didnt change his ways nor do I know that Byrd changed his.

Well, actually, RM, Allen's... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Well, actually, RM, Allen's mother was born and raised in French West Africa, or Algeria maybe, so he may have heard that term routinely growing up. I don't know, but I bet his mom does.

The proof of Byrd renouncing racism is in his voting record since the 1970s. As is the proof of Thurmond's NOT renouncing it. Use your Google Fu and look 'em both up, you've got plenty of time.

BruceI may do that... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I may do that when I am bored.

As for the vetting process which we discussed. It appears at least to the SF Gate that the WH knew about the stuff from Van Jones past.


The middle-of-the-night resignation Sunday of longtime Bay Area activist Van Jones as a White House environmental adviser left many progressives angry at the Obama administration for buckling to conservative criticism of Jones' controversial past comments and actions.

...Supporters say the administration surely knew his background when they appointed Jones, the first African American to write a best-selling environmental book, as special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality. In fact, agents interviewed at least one of his former supervisors in San Francisco - Eva Paterson - when the FBI vetted his appointment.

Which begs the question why did the WH choose a person with this kind of past? Did they think that it would not make a stink or that the MSM would provide cover for them (which they pretty much did by basically not covering the story)? Was Van Jones that much wanted by the WH that he was worth the fallout and if so why?

Brue your Granddad is not B... (Below threshold)

Brue your Granddad is not Byrd.
Unless your Granddad recruited for the Clan and became Grand Cyclops I fail to see any relationship.

After leaving the Klan Byrd wrote

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.i

He lead the Filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

He voted against Both Black Supreme court Nominees.
Even when he tries to show how much he changed it still reverts back to form.

They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much.[46]
Again if it was wrong for Dodd to praise Byrd. The should the object of praise be force to leave?
Didn't know about Byrd's wr... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Didn't know about Byrd's writings. God, that was some awful stuff, huh?

Care to post any of Thurmond's? From the same era, I mean?

Byrd, and indeed many other, Southern Democrats were against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The difference is, most either renounced their racism, retired, died, or joined the Republican Party, as Thurmond did.

You can find many other examples of ancient white dudes thinking they are being enlightened and saying stuff similar to the Byrd quote above. But Byrd's heart ultimately got in the right place, and maybe Dodd shouldn't have said what he said. But it's hardly equivalent to what Lott said about Thurmond.

Dodd praised Byrd, yes, despite Byrd's racist past. Lott said, in effect, that the country would have been better off if we had adopted the Dixiecrat platform in 1948. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

Bruce, So wha... (Below threshold)

So what was the difference in views between Byrd and Thurmond in 1948?

None. That's my point! Shee... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

None. That's my point! Sheesh.

The difference is what happened in the late 60s, 70s, and 80s. One senator, Byrd, renounced racism and remained a Democrat. The other, Thurmond, denounced the Democratic party and remained a racist, as I've said.

And praising Byrd, despite his racist past, is NOT equivalent to praising Thurmond precisely BECAUSE of his racist history.

This is not that hard.

BruceNoone here ha... (Below threshold)
retired military:


Noone here has praised THurmond (as far as I remember). In adddition, I was also glad to see Lott go (not for the reasons that were given).

If you wish to discuss what Lott did (saying something nice about an elderly man at his 100th birthday) and condemn the man then why not condemn Kennedy after all the nice talk that he got 2 weeks ago? aAfter all, as far I know Thurmond never killed anyone.

BruceAlso my point... (Below threshold)
retired military:


Also my point in bringing up the Lott Byrd controversy was the disparate endings between the 2 scenarios.

In one Lott was punished and received very unfavorable press as well as being blasted by the dems.

In the other you heard crickets chirping. Nothing happened to Dodd.

And here once again you have Lott which was treated miserably by the press and left and you have Van Jones which said things much worse than Lott and he is lionized by the press and the left.

What Lott said was at birth... (Below threshold)

What Lott said was at birthday party.
What Dodd said was in the official congressional Record.

Both Byrd and Thurmond were racist though by all accounts Byrd was and remains more committed to the cause. He was in the Klan and was recruiter and an officer. He kept writing letters to the Clan while in office.
Byrd filibustered for 14 hours Thurmond for 10 hours.
Byrd continues to talk about N**ERS tile 2001. Thurmond not said anything racist since the 80's.

So if thinking a Klans man would have done America good during the Civil is as equally damming as what Lott said.
Most people knew what Thurmond said and their been revisionist history to make seem segregationist were more evil than the Klan. They were both vile, however the Klan were the ones that murdered people and directed violence against, Black, Jews and everyone else they could find. Also the Klan would have kill Thurmond and his illegitimate child who he showed affection to.

The only thing that makes the KKK Byrd better is that he has D after his name.

"You also seem to feel t... (Below threshold)

"You also seem to feel that everything a person says must follow them around for the rest of their lives until they apologise or explain to your satisfaction."

If they're accepting a powerful position in my government from the President - why YES! Yes, I DO expect an explanation AND an apology. I also expect a promise that said behavior will not continue.

But you? Aw, heck no. Just give him the job. He couldn't possibly have meant any of it. Certainly he wouldn't act against the interests of the American public!

Why are you defending him, Bruce?

Bruce"You also see... (Below threshold)
retired military:


"You also seem to feel that everything a person says must follow them around for the rest of their lives until they apologise or explain to your satisfaction. "

Spoken by the man who wants to bring up college antics 30 years ago.

Who has filled this positio... (Below threshold)
jack hooper:

Who has filled this position now.

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