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Fred Thompson: Afghan war 'has been lost'
By Ben Smith

Former Senator Fred Thompson today intensified his party's criticism of President Obama's long deliberation over policy in Afghanistan, announcing that Obama's delay signals that "the war has been lost" and that nothing the president now does will "make any difference."

It really doesn't matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost. I say this because of one sad and simple fact. The president does not have the will and determination to do what's necessary to win it. His heart's not in it, and never has been. The Taliban knows it. Al Qaeda knows it. Our allies know it. And the American people know it

I wish I could argue against Thompson's logic, but I cannot.

Hat Tip: HotAir


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I agree with Fred. Presiden... (Below threshold)

I agree with Fred. Presidents who wage war must beable to take punishment, this President is neither willing or able. The question is, who is this President?

Sigh.Obama's leade... (Below threshold)


Obama's leadership is darn near non-existant when it comes to military matters. Even a new 2nd Lieutenant or Ensign knows that when faced with a problem you have to decide how to tackle that problem - and you're not going to be able to wait until you know everything possible there is to know about the problem.

You're going to have to make decisions, and some of those decisions are going to be wrong. But you take what you learn and make a better decision the next time through.

Delaying making the decision doesn't make it easier, it doesn't make it safer, doesn't make it cost less, and it gives the enemy time to prepare for what you DO decide to do. Don't panic, but don't sit on your ass.

Obama's been sitting on his ass, refusing to commit, refusing to make a decision because it might reflect badly on his awesomeness if things don't go well.

Well, welcome to 1972, Obama. How's it feel to be playing the role of Nixon?

Time to pull the troops out... (Below threshold)

Time to pull the troops out. When Barry say's his "Afgan decision is still SEVERAL WEEKS AWAY", you know he's voting PRESENT!!

How many fucking weeks does it take to examine all your options? Just how many options does Barry have to consider? Worthless shit!

Fred who? That actor guy? l... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Fred who? That actor guy? lol

That all you got Stevie? H... (Below threshold)

That all you got Stevie? He used to be a US Senator.

But then, your Obamassiah is really wowing everyone isn't he?

green, you mean two-term Se... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

green, you mean two-term Senator Thompson? With more political experience than your choice for President?

With ignorance like yours, no wonder you keep laughing. . . must be too much bliss for a mind to handle.

Hey, I look over his record... (Below threshold)

Hey, I look over his record and go "Wow - there's nothing there. Wow - nothing he's ever done for the 'people' was ever of benefit, but his cronies sure got windfalls. Wow - nobody knows what his grades were in college. Wow - he's charismatic as all hell, but there's nothing backing it up..."

Yep, those are the 'wow' moments for me, GarandFan...

"Well, welcome to 1972, ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Well, welcome to 1972, Obama. How's it feel to be playing the role of Nixon?"

Nixon was President from 68-72 - I bet even "actor-guy" knows that. in 1972 Nixon inherited Nixon's mess.

This pooch was screwed before Obama took office. Bush ignored Afghanistan beginning 6 months after we went in.

When Obama took office he escalated in Afghanistan, but it may well have been too little too late.

But let's see what some actor has to say about that. Funny that the only Republicans who hold sway these days are Palin the Quitter and that actor guy - too funny.

"Obama's been sitting on hi... (Below threshold)

"Obama's been sitting on his ass, refusing to commit, refusing to make a decision because it might reflect badly on his awesomeness if things don't go well.'

That is it exactly. We've seen how, contrary to reality, he'll claim his administration has saved the economy. He has the nerve to talk about accelerating job growth. He spends us into oblivion and yet talks about controlling the deficit. And with the MSM providing cover, he can get away with lying through his teeth.

But with Afghanistan, he won't be able to bullshit the american public, nor anyone else. All during the campaign he'd tell us that Afghanistan was the real war. That was the war the Bush administration was ignoring.

Quotes from 2008: "The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," "I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq," "For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he told CBS.

And now that he can actually do something about this "urgent" war, he refuses.
Contrary to the advice I suspect he's getting, he's not going to be able to blame anyone else for this incredible failure.

Stevie just gets better and... (Below threshold)

Stevie just gets better and better. Maybe you should lay off the weed before posting.

Who was it who said he had ... (Below threshold)

Who was it who said he had a plan for victory in Afghanistan, Steve?

Who's been AFRAID to implement said plan (if it even existed in the first place?) for victory in Afghanistan, Steve?

Who's been continually re-evaluating any potential plans for Afghanistan, Steve, saying he's going to make a decision Real Soon Now?

Who put a General in charge in Afghanistan, and has been consistently ignoring the advice of said General, Steve?

Obama's afraid, Steve. He's afraid of making any mistakes - and he hasn't learned yet that refusing to decide on a course of action is indeed a course of action itself - and things get worse when you won't deal with them.

Poor li'l stupid stevie! O... (Below threshold)

Poor li'l stupid stevie! Obammy's been ignoring Afghanistan since March, fuckwit.

Obammy in March - "So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future."

It's November, retard. Zero'e now ignored Afghanistan for 8 months.

Can we make with the cuttin... (Below threshold)
JustRuss IT1(SW) USN [reitred]:

Can we make with the cutting and running now please? How many times have we said, "Give them more troops, Take off the handcuffs, and let them WIN this war, or get the hell out." ??

I even honked for the "End The War" protest guys as I passed the other day. First time in 9 years I have supported pulling out.

Obama in March: "So I want ... (Below threshold)

Obama in March: "So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future."

Obama in April: "You sure we can't figure out some way to sit down with these guys, so they can see how aWesome I am?"

Obama in May: "What do you mean, there's nobody I can meet with and bow to? All right, I'll go to Saudi and find someone there. Maybe if I find someone Islamic and bow to 'em, they'll cooperate."

Obama in June: "What's going on with those guys? How can I stop the fighting if THEY WON'T STOP ATTACKING?"

Obama in July: "We need to figure out something for Afghanistan. That old stuff with military action? It's not how I want to represent us to the world - think up something new. But NO VIOLENCE!"

Obama in August: "I need a vacation. Don't let any Generals bother me until September."

Obama in September: "Damn it, General! How dare you bother me when I'm on a trip trying to get the Olympics for Chicago! Where's your sense of priorities, man! I'll decide when I'm damn good and ready!"

Obama in October: "It's Bush's fault! I'm still trying to decide what to do!"

Some of you really are unif... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Some of you really are uniformed idiots. No wonder you worship actors and barbie dolls - you're stunted - emotionally and intellectually.

Feb 18, 2009 - CNN

President Barack Obama has approved a significant troop increase for Afghanistan, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

Too little to late? Maybe.

Bush didn't have the balls to escalate going into the election last November, for good reason.

There's a lot of that going around the GOP these days. Just look at some of the monkey poo being flung around here.

It's very difficult to wage... (Below threshold)

It's very difficult to wage war on two fronts simultaneously. I think his self-styled war against freedom-loving Americans is costing him valuable energy he should be devoting to the war in Afghanistan.

"President Barack Obama has... (Below threshold)

"President Barack Obama has approved a significant troop increase for Afghanistan, Pentagon officials said Tuesday."

Well, Steve, if this is indeed true, and I have my doubts, the fact that we get ANY decision out of him is because of pressure from the right. Are you Lee Ward????

F***ing liberal pussy. The... (Below threshold)

F***ing liberal pussy. The First Tranny has more balls than he has.

I would like to take this o... (Below threshold)

I would like to take this opportunity once again to point out that Barack Obama would never have been elected if the MSM hadn't lied to the American people about him. Hell, he wouldn't have won the nomination of the Democratic Party if the MSM had told America even half the truth about him.

Sorry Steve, I made a rash declaration that I would tell the truth from now on. I just can't help it. The MSM gets most of the blame for the multiple calamities that America is now undergoing.

HEY CHICKENHAWK!Ya... (Below threshold)


Ya I mean you, Steve Green. When are you going to sign up to fight in Afghanistan? If you think "the actor" is wrong then you must believe victory is still possible in Afhanistan, right? So why aren't you in uniform helping your president to win? Are you a coward?

(Naturally, if you are posting from Afghanistan, then please forgive my illconsidered remarks, Steve)

While I can't disagree with... (Below threshold)

While I can't disagree with what Fred says, I'm uncomfortable he's saying it. That doesn't help our guys to say we've lost. The president is a wuss, no doubt, a shameful wuss.

12. Posted by apb | Novembe... (Below threshold)

12. Posted by apb | November 19, 2009 2:34 PM |

Your far to charitable to President Right Angle.
He's been avoiding all responsibility since 1-20-09.

Greenie, you window-lickin'... (Below threshold)

Greenie, you window-lickin' dolt - Zero's approval for increase was February - 9 F'n months ago. When's the Jug-Eared Douche going to use those troops to win HIS war in Afghanistan?

"While I can't disagree ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"While I can't disagree with what Fred says, I'm uncomfortable he's saying it."

Fred Thompson, just like some of the commenters here, obviously doesn't give a crap about our country.

Sure, some of that is racist hate for Obama, but in most cases it's just plan hate. Hate for anyone who thinks differently than they do. Hate for anyone who worships a religion foreign to theirs. Hate for anyone whose stand on abortion is different from theirs.

Fred Thompson got his ass whipped in the last elections. His sway is zero - but he gets quoted and worshiped if he disses the Pres.

Mr. Green:I look u... (Below threshold)

Mr. Green:

I look up through the comments and you are the only one bringing up race. Nice way to end a disagreement. Of course, he who touches it last...


Go ahead and get it out of ... (Below threshold)

Go ahead and get it out of your system, Steve, and call us a bunch of homophobic, racist, ignorant xenophobic slobs. It'll be good for you.

Oh, you've already done that? And you're still filled with raging hate for those who think differently than you? Oh, but wait. That's what you're accusing us of.....

Oh well.

Steve Green comment #15 - y... (Below threshold)

Steve Green comment #15 - you quote CNN? HAHAHAHHA

When all else fails, you ca... (Below threshold)

When all else fails, you can count on Stevie to bring up the RACE CARD.

Jimmy Carter is now the sec... (Below threshold)

Jimmy Carter is now the second worst president. EVAH!

Remember, my conservative b... (Below threshold)

Remember, my conservative brethern, Stevie didn't argue the post, just used the stale liberal playbook; attack the messenger. Stevie lecturing us on hollywood stars offering political opinion is priceless. Stevie drools at Sean Penn's every word along with Rosie and Susan Sarandon. At least Fred was a US SENATOR. Cripes the left are dense.

Obama instituted Bush/Cheney recommendations in February. You didn't really think Obama had a plan, did you Stevie.

And as another commenter said, Stevie was the first to point out Obama's color. Who is the racist? HMMM! ww

BTW the February increase w... (Below threshold)

BTW the February increase was about 1/2 of what the commander wanted at the time, and what was approved was what had already been put in the pipeline by the last administration. It was after this event that bambi put in his own general, whom he now appears it not trust.

Trusting a liberal with the... (Below threshold)

Trusting a liberal with the military is just as bad as trusting a liberal with the economy.

20 trillion in debt, here we come.

"Fred who? That actor guy? ... (Below threshold)

"Fred who? That actor guy? lol"

Yeah, Fred Grandy. Whats it to You?

Thats a snapshot of the libs fleeing D.C. After the midterms Steve. Treasure it always!

'Actor Fred' knows there a... (Below threshold)

'Actor Fred' knows there are 50 states, not 57. Just sayin...

Yes GianiD, but 'actor Barr... (Below threshold)

Yes GianiD, but 'actor Barry' knows all about creating jobs and growing the deficit.

The moment Thompson can cle... (Below threshold)
Jake McKee:

The moment Thompson can clearly define what it is to "win" in Afghanistan, I'll happily agree that we've "lost" because of whatever anti-Democrat reason he gins up.

Until then, he can STFU.

Jake McKee -"Until then, he... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Jake McKee -"Until then, he can STFU."

Touchy as a two pound zit, aren't you son?

Ol' Fred could climb back i... (Below threshold)

Ol' Fred could climb back into a movie set of an aircraft carrier and look all kinds of cool while he's blathering on, but these are real people suffering and dying, so he SHOULD just STFU. Why would anyone care in the least about what this guy thinks anymore?

I hate the fact that he use... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I hate the fact that he used the passive voice, as though there is no causative agent. I am also uncomfortable with a declaration of lost war. I would much rather he said, "President Obama, you are losing this war." That is more accurate and to the point.

#37 Dumb - "The moment ... (Below threshold)

#37 Dumb - "The moment Thompson can clearly define what it is to "win" in Afghanistan, I'll happily agree that we've "lost" because of whatever anti-Democrat reason he gins up."

And #38 Dumber - "Why would anyone care in the least about what this guy thinks anymore?"

Apparently You 2 do, or You would'nt be commenting.

Steve Green,We can... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Steve Green,

We can do without gutter vermin like you opining about care for the country, in light of your party's past conduct and present coddling of every terrorist and two-bit dictator you can drop your pants for. You people even deface the flag for some cute ObamaCare promotion. You people are sick.

In 2007 Harry Reid comment... (Below threshold)

In 2007 Harry Reid comments that the Iraq war has been lost and he is vilified as un-American, giving support to the enemy, blah, blah...

Aren't Thompson'e comments the same thing? Where's the outrage, great americans?

"Aren't Thompson'e comments... (Below threshold)

"Aren't Thompson'e comments the same thing?" No it isn't you moron. Thompson is a private citizen with a opinion...Reid is the Senate majority leader...you know in the Senate wghere they approve appropriations for things...like Afganistan. The stupidity of libs is astoinding.

Um, <a href="http://28thame... (Below threshold)






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