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Might Brian McLaren and company look to help these oppressed people?

For the uninitiated, Mr. McLaren is a Religious Leftist leading the effort in righting the alleged wrongs committed by Israel against Palestinians.  He and his like-minded cohorts are of the mind that Israel, and Israel's supporters, are propagating a big lie as to the danger posed by the Palestinian people. 

Listen carefully.

I applaud a heartfelt and sincere desire by anyone to seek peace and justice.  There's a part of me that sees that attempt as honorable and necessary... but reason, prudence and knowledge, especially of history and of ideology, must form the basis for that attempt, not naivete based on wishful thinking.

Yesterday, I covered the BBC story detailing the experiences of a 13 year old girl named Meena whose father and brother were members of the Taliban. 

Today I bring you the story of Medine:

A 16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in southeast Turkey in a gruesome honour killing just because she reportedly befriended boys, the Anatolia news agency reported Thursday.

Acting on a tip-off, police discovered Medine Memi's body in a sitting position with her hands tied, in a two-metre-deep hole in a chicken pen outside her house in Kahta town, Adiyaman province, 40 days after she went missing, the agency said.

A subsequent post mortem revealed that she had a significant amount of soil in her lungs and stomach, meaning that she was buried alive, foresic experts told the agency.

"The autopsy result is blood-curdling. According to our findings, the girl -- who had no bruises on her body and no sign of narcotics or poison in her blood -- was alive and fully conscious when she was buried," one anonymous expert said.

Medine's father and grandfather have been formally arrested and jailed pending trial over her killing, the agency said.

The father is reported to have said in his testimony that the family was unhappy she had male friends.

In honour killings, most prevalent in Turkey's mainly Kurdish southeast, a so-called family council names a member to murder a female relative considered to have sullied the family honour, usually by engaging in an extra-marital affair.

I find myself seriously struggling with a mindset that finds Israel to be such a danger when she is surrounded by those who embrace an ideology subjecting young girls like Meena and Medine to what they've been subjected to on a daily basis.  And I think we all know that there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Meenas and Medines out there in the Islamic world.

If you were able to ask Mr. McLaren and those who think as he does one question, what would that question be?

Please leave that question in the comments.  I may actually have an opportunity to pose it to him later this week.

Stay tuned.



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Comments (8)

I tiny strip of land, settl... (Below threshold)

I tiny strip of land, settled by Jews, who formed a democracy and turned that little strip of uninhabitable land into a thriving, educated, scientificly leading country is a problem for those who can't destroy it? Israel has had to build walls feet thick to protect themselves from being blown up because Muslims at some point in time inhabited some of what is now Israel. By that thinking Muslims have the right to return to much of Europe because before the Crusades they killed their way through many countries we now think of as the European Union. Nobody can justify by any standard of legal fairness what the Palestinians thugs think and do. The problem is that nobody wants them, not the Egyptians, the Jordanians or anybody else in the region. They want a country, they will have to do more then beg for money and kill people, that they don't seem to know that is a BIG PROBLEM.

When you are dealing with a... (Below threshold)

When you are dealing with a culture that is so primitive that they make prudes look like 5 dollar hookers, then yes, there is a problem.

Sexual repression and a violent culture that seek to use genocide to eliminate a thriving culture that has in less than 100 years done what they could not do in 10 centuries, even with billions of petro-dollars, shows that it is their culture that needs to be eliminated.

I seriously doubt that education is going to be the answer.

Where is the outrage from w... (Below threshold)

Where is the outrage from woman's groups?!? I thank God that my daughter was born in the U.S.

Why stop at Palestine? Whe... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Why stop at Palestine? When will these libs put their money where their mouth is and give Spain back?

The reason you don't hear f... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The reason you don't hear from the feminists is that they don't dare criticize someone from another culture because that would be asserting cultural superiority and they hate America so much they cannot stomach the idea of promoting our nation and it's culture.

Having said that, you have to assume that they expect nothing else but 7th century barbarianism from muslims. In which case they are every bit the racist, cultural snobs they so dread revealing themselves to be.

txleggs: "Where is the outr... (Below threshold)

txleggs: "Where is the outrage from woman's groups?!"

To answer this question, you need to ponder a couple of other questions and the answers to those questions.

(Full disclosure, I'm reiterating ideas and observations that have been around for decades.)

Q1) What do you get when you cross a minority rights activist and a leftist? Ans: A leftist

Q2) What do you get when you cross an environmentalist with a leftist? Ans: A leftist

Q3) What do you get when you cross a feminist and a leftist? Ans: A leftist

See the pattern?

In the end, leftist ideology trumps all other concepts/principles/ideas. Further, these ideas of minority rights, feminist power etc are simply tools used by leftists in their political battle with conservatives. They don't believe a word of it. It's just handy.

Further, leftist ideology calls expressly for the devaluing of western culture and values.

Thus, no criticism of other cultures will be allowed, nor even noted.

The West and it's institutions are the enemy of the left (and most of the liberals), that's why it's ok to drop a crucifix in a jar of urine, call it art and call for funding it with tax dollars while simultaneously refusing to even allow a simple critical word about muhammed and his islamic political bs on SouthPark.

You asked for questions you... (Below threshold)

You asked for questions you could ask. I would imagine that Mr. McLaren and his kind have been asked inumerable questions, but that would mean actual thinking not just feeling. They feel sorry for the Palestinians. They do not feel sorry for the Jewish people. Case closed. Feelings always trump facts when dealing with leftists.

In this particular, horrible story, they probably feel sorry for the girl, but after all, it is all the fault of the oppression of this people. They are excused because of it.

It is almost impossible to have a debate or rational argument when feelings trump everything.

Honor killings are part of ... (Below threshold)

Honor killings are part of Kurdish culture, not Turkish, Kurds have complete different language(not even in the same family with Turkish) and ethnicity, they are not related. Most immigrants outside Turkey are from poorest part of the country, southeast where is called as Kurdistan by some. These people do not send their children to schools, and whenever Turkey forces them, EU's self righteous people blame Turkey for assimilating this "precious" culture. In fact, these policies proven to work and there are only few of these "honor killers" in rural mountain villages. The situation in EU is different they are even more isolated then Turkey and keep living their "traditions".






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