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Josh Marshall -- Beyond Absurd

I have discussed this with several other bloggers. A couple have told me he doesn't really believe this. That was my first reaction. You know, because it is so 100 percent at odds with reality. Before I go any further, here is the statement in question (via Tom Elia):

No one who is even remotely honest can pretend that anything about [threats of violence] is bipartisan in character. The Right and yes the national Republican party has been stirring this pot for months. We all see this. Cantor's behavior is shameful beyond imagining. It's time for a truth moment for the national Republican party. Incitement matters. They have to take responsibility for what they've done: which is nothing less than a campaign of incitement for which they're now unwilling to take any responsibility.

Erick Erickson does a great job responding to Marshall. It is a must read. (If you don't get the 30 story reference see Jim Hoft.) I am not going to go through line by line and answer something so outrageously ridiculous. I just have a few observations/questions.

If Marshall really believes this he has to be extremely out of touch and uninformed or delusional. I really don't believe he is any of those.

But if he doesn't believe it, and is just playing the useful tool for the cause, he has to know how much information is out there to refute it. Even with media that have often ignored vitriol from the left, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples that have been documented of not only random liberal extremists engaging in it, but also liberal journalists and politicians. He has to know that. He reads blogs. He reads the newspapers. Right?

If not he should take a look at some of the conservative blogs today. Many have provided little blasts from the past -- some from years ago, some from days ago. They are examples of just a fraction of the hate speech/violence/threats those on the left have aimed at Republicans and conservatives. There are many more where those came from, too. I'll share a few links below. It would take anyone a few seconds, internet access and a Google search to find hundreds, if not thousands, more.

Gateway Pundit
Michelle Malkin
Big Government
Noisy Room
Mudville Gazette

Update: I added a few more links to the list. I did not look up links for this, but do those on the left think we are so stupid and have such short memories that we don't remember all the vitriol hurled at Sarah Palin? People saying she should have aborted her Down Syndrome child, burning her in effigy, calling her the vilest names you can use to refer to a woman? Why are Dems opening this door? Don't they know how easy it is gonna be to show them as hypocrites and liars?

Here is the only answer that makes sense to me (I put it in bold because this is important): Democrats have seen the pure, raw force of American freedom of expression. They have seen it rise up against them and they are scared spitless. They realize how unpopular they have become and they have to fight back to survive. It is hard to fight back against elderly people with walkers at town hall meetings, and mothers holding infants at tea party rallies, and peaceful, clean cut, tax paying American citizens. So they have to vilify them -- just like they have vilified Republicans all these years. It is just harder to do now that people have cell phone cameras and Twitter and blogs and YouTube and talk radio and Fox News, etc.

I predict this is gonna blow back on them big. Even with the help of those in the media, the reality of what is happening is getting to the people. The little people. And now instead of beating up* on rich Republican politicians, and fat cat CEOs, they are beating up* on the little people who don't give a crap about party or politics. They just want their voices to be heard. They care about their pocketbooks, their childrens' futures, their freedoms and the future of their country. They don't care what letter is behind your name. They want representatives in Washington who will listen to them. Vilifying those people, calling them names (such as teabaggers), questioning their motivations, accusing them of being racists and just generally beating up* on those people, just because they disagree with the Democrat/Obama agenda, is just downright ugly. So much so that not even the MSM will be able to spin it as anything but that. When I think about it in those terms, I begin to understand why the Democrats are doing what they are doing. It doesn't make it any less ugly, but at least it helps me to understand.

*The slang term "beating up on" is not meant as literal, physical violence. It is a term us little people use to refer to any type of abuse, whether it be physical, verbal, etc. I think 99.9999 percent of the people reading this know that, but for the others I just wanted to make that clear.

Update II: When someone in an email I received reminded me of Mary Katherine Ham's Weekly Standard report last year about violence in the town hall meetings, it made me think about this. At the Kill the Bill rally in DC a few months ago -- the one called by Michelle Bachman -- Mary Katherine and Dan Riehl and I met up afterward there on the lawn to chat. I don't know who first noticed it, but we looked around after most of the people had moved across the street to the offices and noticed there was not one speck of trash to be seen. No discarded cups or gum wrappers or anything. This was especially impressive because during the rally the foot tall stack of health care bill had been dramatically tossed into the air. We looked around at mothers with infants, elderly people, veterans, enthusiastic but polite young people, and that pristine lawn and marveled that anyone could attend such an event and then turn around and spin it as an angry mob of racists.

Mary Katharine's Weekly Standard report referenced above included the following bit of information that seems particularly relevant considering this weeks' events (or Whinegate as I think I will call them):

One public calendar, compiled by RedState.com, lists more than 400 congressional town hall meetings in the month of August. It's likely not an exhaustive list, but it represents an average of more than 13 live town halls conducted per day in America during the monthlong span. At these meetings, there were fewer than ten documented incidents that could be described as violent, and most of them involved very little physical contact.[...]

In more than 400 events: one slap, one shove, three punches, two signs grabbed, one self-inflicted vandalism incident by a liberal, one unsolved vandalism incident, and one serious assault. Despite the left's insistence on the essentially barbaric nature of Obamacare critics, the video, photographic, and police report evidence is fairly clear in showing that 7 of the 10 incidents were perpetrated by Obama supporters and union members on Obama critics. If you add a phoned death threat to Democrat representative Brad Miller of N.C., from an Obama-care critic, the tally is 7 of 11.


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Marshall is full of shit. ... (Below threshold)

Marshall is full of shit. This is just the opening salvo from the left. They are well aware they are up to their eyeballs in crap as they enter the 2010 election cycle. They know Barry isn't going to sell ObamaCare. Matter of fact, having done the deed, they want to 'move on'. And hope the hell people forget it. Their only hope now is the 'sympathy ploy'. They are the underdogs, fighting against the evil Republican majority. And if you buy that, you really need to drink some of Jim Jones Kool-Aid.

"Rules for Radicals" and Sa... (Below threshold)

"Rules for Radicals" and Saul Alinsky

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

The left knows that the right values social cohesion, order and laws. Whenever anyone on the right, no matter how fringe behaves inappropriately, the left attempts to characterize the whole with that offense.

Given their tactics for anyone from the left to talk with a straight face about a "campaign of incitement" and shame and taking responsibility is shameless hypocrisy. It's also simple projection. There have been no calls for violence on any major conservative blog.

It's just an attempt to embarrass and shut down dissent.

But, that dog don't hunt.

Next! Time for a new dog and pony show libtards.

The uglier they get, the ea... (Below threshold)

The uglier they get, the easier it will be to take them down at the ballot box. We should hope they continue.

Violence -it's propaganda s... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Violence -it's propaganda still!

We are watching the left in its program to "reform" America (left of Europe and probably Russia before it's over)merely institution one of their methods of manipulating truth. Their entire essence is anti-truth and anti-goodness and they use goodness and truth as weapons to acheive the opposite.

We, who wouldn't let out kids out to play with a pair of stray pitbulls, opened our door to these animals in Washington.

Any man that agressively fights for slaughtering newborn babies that escape an abortionist's horror chamber, is incapable of doing anything but evil to America.

We will go down in history as the first people to voluntarily relenquish our freedom. We are neither very intellegent, very learned about evil, and very naive. Maybe we do need a Nanny State -we're certainly proving ourselves incapable of handling freedom.

Rush is right. It is all pa... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Rush is right. It is all part of the plan to criminalize dissent. Marginalize, demonize, criminalize. Brace yourselves for political prisoners. Nothing is beyond these people.

The reports of "violence" a... (Below threshold)

The reports of "violence" are underwhelming. So far we have:

1. People allegedly yelling the N-word at the CBC, none of which was caught on the numerous video phones seen during the "incident";
2. The questionable "brick through a window" incidents;
3. Phone messages left with Stupak. Those messages were rude and unpleasant, but none of the ones I heard threatened violence. They stated wishes that Stupak would become ill, commit suicide, and be damned, but none of them mentioned violence (as opposed to the messages Stupak received from the left last week);
4. A fax of a drawing showing someone on the hangman's gallows (which I have yet to see);
5. The Carnahan Coffin Caper--except that the "coffin" was not left on Carnhan's lawn--it was used as part of a demonstration on the sidewalk. During the mock vigil pro-life citizens prayed, using the "coffin" as a prop to illustrate their disagreement with the health care bill. The "coffin" was removed by the pro-lifers after the demonstration was done. By the way, I've seen pictures of the "coffin." It was too small even for Kucinich;
6. Somebody's cousin was told by his girlfriend that her neighbor heard that the mailman was told by his wife that she had a dream that her hairdresser learned from a customer that her doctor was told that someone was going to shoot a Congressman;
7. Some Congressman's brother had his gas line cut.

Any more?

The dems are afraid of what... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The dems are afraid of what they have stirred up. This is all just laying the ground for suppression of dissent. Watch the coming weeks as Obama and friends move to crack down on speech and dissent.

With dem congressmen reporting anti-obamacare callers to the capitol police for felony harrasment before the vote, I would expect them to soon be reporting anyone who complain about anything. If you cannot voice disagreement with the government without being called a racist and a terrorist it isn't far from when such disagreement will be illegal.

Expect that there will be arrests soon and dem congressmen pressing charges against citizens who protest the healthcare vote.

Nobody is falling for "the ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Nobody is falling for "the Left does it too." No one.

You're truly in Ashley Todd territory now.

Adrian-You're missin... (Below threshold)
jim m:

You're missing the point. We aren't claiming, "the left does it too". We are saying that 1) the complaints of the left are bogus and demonstrably so 2) the violence against the right is obvious, it's documented, and it is far worse than anything the right has committed against the left.

We are saying the the left complains about threats like they are a bunch of pussies and the right has been taking public beatings, death threats and bullets through windows etc for a long time with little or no recognition from the media.

Adrian Brown Are you nutz o... (Below threshold)

Adrian Brown Are you nutz or do you just play one on blogs? There is no spin, no lies from the Liar-In-Chief that will sell the turd sandwich that Congress passed in the heatlh care swindle.
"Everybody" is paying attention now and we are going to take back our country from the Marxists.

The left does it too? No, e... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

The left does it too? No, essentially the left does it only.

"Nobody is falling for "... (Below threshold)

"Nobody is falling for "the Left does it too." No one."

That's never stopped YOU from using "the right does it too" bullshit. So nobody's falling for your disingenuous and obtuse observations, Browne.

Now go stand in the corner.

Let's see... When was the l... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Let's see... When was the last time someone from the right stood outside a polling place brandishing clubs while in mock uniform? Oh, that's right! Never!

Yo Adrian!!! Does the Unibo... (Below threshold)

Yo Adrian!!! Does the Unibomber ring a bell? It should. In case you have forgotten, here is a little background. A college professor goes off the deep end and starts bombing businesses and places he does not like. To make a long story short, he was a flaming 1960s communist radical who was one of the founding members of the Weather Underground. Which by the way, was a very radical and violent left wing organization.

You're truly in As... (Below threshold)
You're truly in Ashley Todd territory now.

Instead of Ashley Todd, how about explaining Maurice Schwenkler.

I can't imagine why you thi... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

I can't imagine why you think perpetrating this meme is a good thing for the Republican Party. You don't even come close to selling it and don't really believe it yourself. It's know it's silly.

I love the lefts logic ...<... (Below threshold)

I love the lefts logic ...

Liberals gets nasty voice mails = violence

Cantor gets a BULLET thru his window = what ? poor gun control ?

"I can't imagine why you... (Below threshold)

"I can't imagine why you think perpetrating this meme is a good thing for the Republican Party."

Ah, I get it. You think we're using your own tactics against you. No one is using "the left does it too" in any effort to paint the Republican Party as "not as bad as" the Democratic Party. We're saying the left has no desire to police their own or to openly condemn the radicals in their midst, yet demands the right do exactly that so you can claim it's a defacto admission that they're "ours".

They're not "ours", Adrian.

Adrian:You selling... (Below threshold)


You selling tickets to your alternate reality, by any chance?

Because it seems to me you think you can just completely ignore the last decade's worth of history regarding the left's adoption of extreme forms of speech, and the legitimizing of the worst sort of personal attacks by the left under the guise of 'dissent being patriotic'.

Because you're seeming to believe this, I can only conclude you live in an alternate reality where the unicorns DO show up on schedule and leave piles of gold just laying around.

Your side set the standard, Adrian - EVERYTHING is valid now. Noose-hung effigies? Why not? Target posters of the bastards who voted for this thing? Certainly - if Bush could be put in the crosshairs, I see no problem at all with that. Using foul language to describe a politician? Of course.

If the left didn't want the result, maybe they shouldn't have started the process in the first place.

"I can't imagine why you... (Below threshold)

"I can't imagine why you think perpetrating this meme is a good thing for the Republican Party."

I remember saying the same things against those of you n the left some years ago when I first saw signs in an anti-war rally that stated "We support the soldiers who kill their officers."

But the left continued to do so and went even further by painting bullseyes around pictures of Bush. They wrote books advocating the assassination of Bush and Cheney. They even had a movie documenting the ficticious event of Bush's assassination to the cheers of the left. And they even actively courted the like of Code Pink and what then happened - they rallied around a hard core leftist and won! Look at those same Dems today. They hold the Oval Office, the Senate and the House.

The Dems are now "The Man" and they are now the target of all the bile they so richly deserve. You guys just don't like the idea of us using your tactics against you because they work.

Funny how the left wingers ... (Below threshold)

Funny how the left wingers like Adrian, Steve Green et al call everyone that disagrees with them racists and spout other vitriolic phrases, when they are the ones that are mostly responsible for the rabid partisanship that permeates this country now. Oh it has always existed in one form or another since the founding of this country, but it has really come to the forefront since George W Bush was elected as President.

The left can't still come to grips with the reality of the Florida recount fiasco and probably never will. So to keep that from ever happening again, they are doing everything they can to nip it in the bud. As been demonstrated time and again, the Dems will do anything to keep their grip on the power, that they think is their inherent birthright. This includes extreme violence to make their point and the state controlled media is just as guilty for covering up the mess that they helped to create.

"I can't imagine why you th... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"I can't imagine why you think perpetrating this meme is a good thing for the Republican Party."

Because perpetuating this meme will remind everyone what we are up against:




It's not the right that is unhinged and violent.

Breitbart has offere... (Below threshold)
recovered liberal democrat:

Breitbart has offered $10,000 for any video evidence of violence, or spitting, or name calling the N-word, against liberal statists over Obambi-care. Gee, no takers yet.

I love the smell of despera... (Below threshold)

I love the smell of desperation in the morning. It smells like ... Adrian.

this will turn out to be ye... (Below threshold)

this will turn out to be yet another tactical blunder by the MSM spinners ...

from the point forward the Tea Partiers will be on guard against this sort of baiting by Congressmen ...
the number of "threats" against Democrats will drop off ...
BUT ... as the November election draws closer you will see a rise in threats and violence against GOP candidates and Congressmen. The MSM will initially report most of this to show their "balance" but eventually the MSM will realize they are only reporting on liberals threatening the GOP, which of course is the history of 2000-2008.

Another example of the righ... (Below threshold)

Another example of the right not instigating violence:

"If I could start a country with a bunch of people, they'd be the folks who were standing with us the last few days. Let's hope we don't have to do that! Let's beat that other side to a pulp! Let's take them out. Let's chase them down. There's going to be a reckoning!"
-- Congressperson Steve King (R-IA), speaking to Tea Party protesters on Capitol Hill protesting the healthcare legislation.

And Hitler of course disavowed the actions of the Brown Shirts. And this *is* your path.

@Jeff: Any abortion doctors... (Below threshold)

@Jeff: Any abortion doctors shot lately? At how many healthcare events where a Republican president have spoken have "left wingers" (phrase meaning anyone who doesn't toe the neocon line) brought assault rifles to? What *did* happen to the Murrow Building in Oklahoma City? Just some kinda fluke, eh?

You people are very good at brainwashing each other -- the past is what we say it is, see the Texas schoolboard for details. You don't touch reality at any point because you say that all news organs except your own are leftist and liberal -- that the people trying to be balanced are the twisted ones, but Fox News, which is clearly bent toward the right, that's your standard of "fair."

More liars for Jesus.

Seig heil, boys and girls. See you on the rebound.

AstigafaIf you eve... (Below threshold)
jim m:


If you ever bothered to listen you would have heard ringing denouncements of anyone who has used violence in the abortion issue.

And that dangerous Steve King (R-IA):

"I look back 20 years ago in the square in Prague... when tens of thousands showed up there and they shook their keys peacefully and they took over their country and they achieved their freedom back again," he said. "If you can keep coming to this city, fill up the congressional offices across the country but jam this city. If you can get on your cell phones, and get on your Blackberries and your email, and ask people to keep coming to this town. Storm this city, fill up Washington D.C., jam this capital so they can't move. And if tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of you show up, we will win. We will defeat this bill and you will have your liberty back."

If you dems are afraid of people shaking their keys then this will be easier than I thought.

If I were you astigafa I wo... (Below threshold)
jim m:

If I were you astigafa I would be very afraid of the 30 story giant we have on our side.

It must be true. The Seattle Times says so and we know that the MSM never lies about anything.

Astigafa supports the 'troo... (Below threshold)

Astigafa supports the 'troopers when they shoot "randomly" at Republican congressmen's homes.

Jumped straight for the God... (Below threshold)

Jumped straight for the Godwin award, eh, astigafa?

These Obamacare terrorist a... (Below threshold)

These Obamacare terrorist acts are only happening because they still haven't closed Gitmo. It's breeding more of them, I tell you!

"At how many healthcare eve... (Below threshold)

"At how many healthcare events where a Republican president have spoken have "left wingers" (phrase meaning anyone who doesn't toe the neocon line) brought assault rifles to?"

You must be referring to the picture prominently displayed at MSNBC. Evil Tea Party people. ALL THOSE EVIL WHITE PEOPLE. Ooops. Wasn't that the photo that was cropped so that you could not see the guy with the rifle was BLACK?

How many neocon's have produced a film depicting the assassination of a sitting president?

astigafa, your memory is highly selective, isn't it?

<a href="http://onegoodmove... (Below threshold)


Maher: You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.

Kerry: Or, I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.

Ha, ha, ha... yuck, yuck, yuck... guffaw, chuckle, snort. He made a funny about killing the president! I get it!

When you make a joke about ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

When you make a joke about killing a GOP president it's funny.

When you make a joke about killing a dem president it's a felony.

Who on earth is Josh Marsha... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

Who on earth is Josh Marshall?

It would be more helpful to... (Below threshold)

It would be more helpful to what seems to be your aim were you to highlight Democratic leaders and members of Congress inciting violence or deceiving people like Cantor did on Thursday.

It would be more h... (Below threshold)
It would be more helpful to what seems to be your aim were you to highlight Democratic leaders and members of Congress inciting violence or deceiving people like Cantor did on Thursday.

In what way did Cantor deceive people?

Oops hit enter by mistake.<... (Below threshold)

Oops hit enter by mistake.

It would be more helpful to what seems to be your aim were you to highlight Democratic leaders and members of Congress inciting violence or deceiving people like Cantor did on Thursday.

In what way did Cantor deceive people? Eric Cantor said a bullet went through the window of one of his offices. According to the Richmond Police a bullet did in fact go through the window of his office at 1 AM.

How is that deceptive? He spoke the truth.

He made the statement about the bullet yesterday, TODAY the Richmond Police say that it appears to have been a random shooting.

What exactly would be your first reaction if a bullet had gone through your window?

And talk about deception, members of the CBC say that people hurled numerous racial epithets at them as they walked through the protest the other day. Where is the corroborating evidence of that? In none of the videos shown to date can you hear a single racial epithet used. Andrew Breitbart is offering $10,000 to anyone who can produce a video? No takers as of yet.

Several of those CBC members were using video cameras as they walked. Where is their video?

If they can't produce evidence, how can you be so sure that Senator Clyburn isn't deceiving people?

As I stated on another thre... (Below threshold)

As I stated on another thread, everyone knows that both sides are ready to settle things outside the usual means. For ASStiga and the others leftists, they have most certainly put more people at risk from their rhetoric then anyone. They have tried to diminish a huge segment of society. They actually believe that pro life citizens and leaders are only republican right wingers. The left consistantly speaks from ignorance or plain lying. The left takes advantage of a huge segment of the population by making (enslaving) them dependent on their programs. The hate, true hate, and snobbery comes from the left. It oozes from their pores. The left are reprobates. ww

Hey what ever happened to t... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Hey what ever happened to the outrage over Nick Levasseur's "Two nukes weren't enough" comment?

I guess it's OK for dems to advocate genocide now that Obama went on record saying that it would be OK with him if we left Iraq and there was a genocide afterward.

Who's not on the dem genocide list? As far as I can tell anyone who has dark skin is on the OK to eradicate list. As well as Jews and Christians.

I guess they just like people to look and think like themselves.

astigafa! Where have you be... (Below threshold)

astigafa! Where have you been? And why aren't you still there?

As you may or may not recall (you've done some major damage to your brain cells, as I recall), you demanded I ban you a while ago. And I did.

Should I renew that ban? Or have you decided to be a civil guest now?

But nice to see you've figured out how to talk in complete sentences since then.







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