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Now I Gotta Worry About FrankJ Punching Me In The Face

Hey, I think I started an idea! Or, at least, got ahead of the curve a little!

A few weeks ago, I wrote about how the Tea Party movement, in many ways, resembles the hippie/people power movement of the 1960's -- but from the opposite ideological direction.

(And I gotta give a shout-out to my colleague, DJ Drummond, who commented: Oh poot. I'm just old enough to remember Nixon desperately trying to seem relevant, and so he showed up on popular liberal shows like "Laugh In".

In today's context, that means Barack will be pushing for face time on Hannity, NASCAR on Fox, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader the President?

How about "Mythbusters?")

Well, apparently a couple other people I regard as good thinkers and solid observers of culture -- Zombie and Bill Whittle, who I wanna write like when I grow up -- have come to a similar conclusion, but with considerably more intellectual heft. And while I constrained my theorizing to the contemporary, traditional political definitions, they've found a way to demonstrate that yeah, in a lot of ways, Tea Party values aren't that different from hippie values. And I think their argument makes a lot of sense.

The differences I saw were largely cosmetic, and based on stereotypes. The hippies were for free love, the Tea Partiers for free markets -- in both cases, a demand for personal freedom and an implicit acceptance of the consequences of each. The hippies were considered smelly and unemployed; Tea Partiers tend to have jobs and bathe regularly (there is probably a connection there), but that's literally cosmetic.

How about the individuals? Are many older Tea Partiers actually former hippies who grew up, grew old, and kept their fundamental principles while the details evolved with the times?

I don't know. And I don't know if it's that relevant -- in both cases, the movement isn't about individuals, but individualism -- a seeming paradox that actually makes perfect sense. The movement is about allowing individuals to be themselves; groups that have powerful, dominant leaders tend to have followers all too eager to subsume their individuality to the movement and identify more with the leader or leaders than the ideals.

There are dangers to this, however. Assuming the mantle of the hippie movement could lead to a conflict with those who've long considered themselves the hippies' heirs, the left. For decades, they've pretty much taken that for granted, and they might not take well to the idea that we're trying to take that away from them. It's a major part of their political identity, and they won't give it up easily.

Far more frightening, though, is that there are those who really don't like hippies, and have made a habit of going after them. I like FrankJ and agree with him on most points, and I really don't want him to punch me in the face...


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Yes, many hippies have late... (Below threshold)

Yes, many hippies have later become Tea Partiers. But I think that more fits into the "growing up" angle, like many conservatives were once liberals when they were younger. Some hippies never changed. They still don't bathe and they still think it's okay to run around naked in public (when they were younger it wasn't so bad, but now their old, fat, wrinkled, etc - and no one wants to see that *shudder*), they still believe that the whole world can live in peace if we're just nice to the bad guys and give them what they want, they still think that all cultures are equally viable and acceptable.

In fact, some act just like the Pakistanis are acting now. The Pakistanis want and need aid, but hate certain ones that offer it and demand not to be reminded of it, much like Code Pink railing against the military, yet seek their help when threatened by others. Both would actually seek to destroy those they depend on.

Some ex-hippies grew up and realized that their beliefs and actions were self-indulgent and even destructive.

I think hippies have faded ... (Below threshold)

I think hippies have faded as the premier punching target of FrankJ.

FrankJ is now a full-time fully-loaded punch-prepared protector of Buttercup.

As he should be.

Donno 'bout no hippies...bu... (Below threshold)

Donno 'bout no hippies...but I do think that the Tea Party peep's are fellow travelers who want to undo EVERYTHING

Whoops hit da wrong button.... (Below threshold)

Whoops hit da wrong button...

Donno 'bout no hippies...but I do think that the Tea Party peep's are fellow travelers who want to undo EVERYTHING...and I mean EVERYTHING flopears,Pelosi and Reid have done to our country....works for me... I'm all up in there for the "LEAVE ME ALONE" thingy....

twelve and a wake up!

One correction from an old ... (Below threshold)

One correction from an old guy: Nixon wasn't trying to stay relevant when he was on Laugh-In, he was running for president (an election he won). Nixon went on Laugh-In in 1968. He wasn't worried about "relevance" until 1973.

Good catch, Jay; I had plan... (Below threshold)

Good catch, Jay; I had planned to write something in response to Zombie's piece but I have been busy as of late, and you beat me to it.

The Left has been perpetually stymied by the Tea Party movement. First they tried to dismiss it as a kook fringe movement. Then they tried to smear it with social stigmas (intolerance, greed, racism, etc.) and now that they are losing badly to Tea Party candidates, they are suddenly trying to convince voters that they also support "Tea Party values". The whole thing has been pretty entertaining.

But liberals have never really addressed the "freedom" aspect of the Tea Party movement. Perhaps this is an "out of sight, out of mind" tactic, because freedom genuinely scares them. You can't have rule over the masses by a an elite gentry class (which is really what they want) and true liberty and freedom for all.

Liberals have tried to bribe us with goodies (abortion, porn, etc.) in exchange for systematically eroding our freedoms. Hopefully the American people have finally said "enough already."

I Have a deep and a... (Below threshold)

I Have a deep and abiding disgust for hippies that dates back to the Vietnam War. I, and thousands of other vets endured that unending shitstorm which continues to this day.

It would be nice if the present "liberal" class would accept that they bear no resemblance to classic liberals other than the name. Modern progressives have co-opted the definition quite successfully, unfortunately.

But the progressive stench filters through.

"Far more frightening, thou... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"Far more frightening, though, is that there are those who really don't like hippies, and have made a habit of going after them. "

Well, there were hippies and then there were 'hippies'.

The hippies just wanted to be left alone.

The 'hippies' were the Leftist/Communist/Socialists that took over the movement sometime around 1968. Most people have forgotten the early hippies and mostly remember, and hate, the later 'hippies'. I know when I say "I hate hippies", that's who I mean.

FrankJ.. I'm mor worried ab... (Below threshold)

FrankJ.. I'm mor worried about Watango

Neither here nor there. </p... (Below threshold)

Neither here nor there.

During the hippie era I was in high school. Nobody I knew could tell me why we were fighting a war in Vietnam. My lotto number was coming up and I knew I didn't want to get killed just for shits and giggles. Politics was not on my radar screen. I didn't know the difference between a Republican and a Democrat - I didn't know which one stood for what. I was 16-17 and I was busy thinking about girls 25 or more hours a day. (The Pres. can have 57 States - I can have 25 or more hours a day.)

As far as being a Hippie, I knew I wanted to try that "love & peace" thing out, and this pot stuff seemed okay by me too - not at first, but my friends talked me into it - them bastards. The rock and roll music from back then is now classic rock. I was at Woodstock - no really!! (BS).

I wasn't against working. I had a job pumping gas, or "pumping Ethyl" as we use to say.

You have to remember that "serious" to me, at that time, was not being able to start my $200 car on a Friday night.

What motivated me back then was the want to escape my parents (they were fine parents for strict old German Catholics). To do that I figured I needed a job. Two years of Tech-school should about do it - yes I'm lazy, shut up. For what it's worth, I went to school for what I liked doing. As it turned out it was sufficient enough to raise a family of five, with a lot of help from my bride. Today I'm employed and a grandfather of three (and a recovering Catholic - but I don't have to go to meetings).

I support the Tea Party today. I see them as common sense type of people. I see them as Americans - not right or left - not Republicans or Democrats - not Liberal or Conservative, but those people who cried at the sight of the Twin Towers being demolished. Those Americans... the people right next to you - co workers - family - complete strangers - all Americans, every one of them - even the illegal ones.

That lasted for days. I thought it would last for years.

After time it felt like the politicians were not listening to the people. That seems very similar to "No taxation without representation". They want to tax us more, but listen to us less. And thus - the Tea Party was born. (I also admire the cojones that the conservative women (Tea Partiers ???) seem to have. These gals are speaking out and I agree with them). To me, the Tea Party supporters seem to be the people who have bills to pay and are paying them with their hard work, but if you get between them and their cubs look out. (oops - fell into Palin speak).

We need smaller government and they need to listen to us - the people pulling the wagon. You don't think so? Watch and learn grasshopper.

And another thing... I keep hearing how the Tea Party supporters don't want to pay taxes. Well that's wrong. I don't want to pay HIGHER taxes. I want to see my tax dollar being spent wisely. Fattening Unions isn't it. Giving money to the UN to help them blow smoke up the world's ass isn't it either.

What was the question? Pass the beer nuts.

BluesHarper - Nice. Better... (Below threshold)

BluesHarper - Nice. Better than any editorial the Houston Chronicle runs.

Thank you, Brother BluesHar... (Below threshold)

Thank you, Brother BluesHarper.

Well said. Hear! Hear!

What question?

Garlic or plain?






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