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That Giant Flushing Sound You Hear...

...is thousands of diaries at Daily Kos getting purged in the wake of the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford (D-AZ).

Gifford is a moderate, "blue dog" Democrat. She refused to vote for Pelosi for speaker last week, and is a staunch advocate of border security. One of her constituents was a Kos diarist, and posted this entry last week:

My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me! Hotlist

Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST

I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that - then - new CD. I was one of several people to talk her into running and pledging complete loyalty and pledging to raise as much money as possible for her.

She ended up running for the first time against a fellow AZ House member, Randy Graf who was a rightwing whacko who advocated guns in bars and was the "Russell Pearce before Russell Pearce" vis-a-vis border issues. With a LOT of hard work and plenty of money, Gabby won. Easier than thought, too. I never like to throw money in people's faces, but i have given Gabrielle Giffords THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars in both good times and bad times for me financially.

Fast forward to this election season. A weirdo asshole named Jesse Kelly who advocated ELIMINATING Social Security and was a tea bagger favorite got the GOP nom to run against her. I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don't have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance.

She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker.

Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question:  I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS shit???

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won't lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn.

No link, of course. We're talking about Kos -- embarrassing things get deleted immediately. Nothing to see, nothing going on, never happened, move along, keep toeing the party line.

It's too early for substantive speculation, but the latest reports say 19 people were shot, five fatally, one gunman in custody, and police are looking for a possible second gunman. To me, that says "automatic weapons" and "planned hit." And in that part of the world, that says Mexican drug cartels.

But that's all just speculation. We have no hard facts on motive, or even on the identity of the captured shooter.

Update: here's the Google cache of the original article, complete with comments.

Update 2: Here's the head Kossack, Kos himself: (Courtesy Ace)

Who to primary? Well, I'd argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I've bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.

  • Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)

Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district.
Anyone wanna put wagers on how long that one will stay public?


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Comments (47)

A universal rule of thumb s... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

A universal rule of thumb should be applied-everyone STFU until information is available.

A federal judge was also mu... (Below threshold)
jim m:

A federal judge was also murdered today at this event. It will be interesting to find out the motivation and who was the primary target of this madman.

Unverified , but I quickly ... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

Unverified , but I quickly just came across a post on another site that said the congresswoman is expected to pull through.

The internet is forever, Ja... (Below threshold) Just found that myself, Jin... (Below threshold)

Just found that myself, Jinx... update coming.


Here's the original link. ... (Below threshold)

Here's the original link. Make sure you click it so ol' Kos knows that we know what was there:


Giffords alive after surger... (Below threshold)

Giffords alive after surgery. One child of around 9 confirmed dead.

I posted a screenshot of it... (Below threshold)
The flushing sound you hear... (Below threshold)
Marco Polo:

The flushing sound you hear is at Palin's website. Trying to get rid of that "hit list" which included Giffords: http://www.businessinsider.com/gabrielle-giffords-was-on-sarah-palins-hit-list-2011-1

Blow it out your ear, Marco... (Below threshold)
Actually Sarah is off the h... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Actually Sarah is off the hook. They were bomb sites not gun sites on her map, that she used targeting twenty Democrats.

Suspect is a white male, yo... (Below threshold)

Suspect is a white male, you idiots. Quit pushing the cliche Mexican drug cartel and look up your facts.

#1 - good advice.............. (Below threshold)

#1 - good advice...............

Yeah, Giffords was one of t... (Below threshold)
Marco Polo:

Yeah, Giffords was one of the 20 that Palin wanted to "take out."

19 left. Any idea which one is next?

irohol15 - Where, exactly s... (Below threshold)

irohol15 - Where, exactly should people look for these facts? There just isn't anything available right now - so we get to speculate :P

Has anyone mentioned Mexican drug cartels yet?

Oh, and I look forward to all the theories where somehow this is all Obama's fault in the end.

"Marco Polo"--maybe... (Below threshold)

"Marco Polo"--maybe, like your namesake, you need to go and explore again--only this time try finding some decency.

Mr Tea did, AC, in this pos... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Mr Tea did, AC, in this post, and in the comments on the previous one.

Hint: It's a good idea to READ the articles on which you comment.

Marco wants to accuse those... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Marco wants to accuse those he opposes politically without actually examining what is being learned about this sicko that did this today. If he would bother he would see that this guy is a nut job that hated America, liked communism and hitler, hated immigrants etc. This is a psychotic mix of right and left and there is little coherence to it.

This idiot expected to die today and my guess is that he was wanting to become famous for what he did.

Based on this scum... (Below threshold)

Based on this scumbag's YouTube account, he is a profoundly disturbed individual who has no decided political leaning, merely a profoundly disturbed individual who has tainted everything that he has touched, no matter how peripheral.

Bruce Henry, it's also a go... (Below threshold)

Bruce Henry, it's also a good idea to read the post I was responding to :P

Oh, and just for you Bruce: has anyone mentioned Mexican drug cartels yet?

So, Marco, when can we expe... (Below threshold)

So, Marco, when can we expect conservatives to be assassinated according to the DLC "hit list?" Can't address that, can you, hypocrite?

AC, please look at the comm... (Below threshold)

AC, please look at the comments on the next story over, "12 Shot in Arizona, including Congresswoman" for comments about the 22 yo white male who is the shooter. Also check out:



As Mr Tea stated at the bottom of his story: "To me, that says "automatic weapons" and "planned hit." And in that part of the world, that says Mexican drug cartels." Please read the story you are comment on.

Odds are it won't go to being Obama's fault as Palin was the one who did the "Take Back 20" campaign. Since she's cleaning her website, I am assuming she knows she did something wrong. Highly doubtful this will become a "democratic shooter" issue, since it was a democrat who was shot.

"If he would bother he woul... (Below threshold)

"If he would bother he would see that this guy is a nut job that hated America, liked communism and hitler, hated immigrants etc. This is a psychotic mix of right and left and there is little coherence to it."

Where is the left side to this?

Yeah, Palin's "Take Back th... (Below threshold)

Yeah, Palin's "Take Back the 20" site goes down due to undoubtedly unprecedented traffic from insane liberals and that means "she's cleaning her website." Right.

"Where is the left side to ... (Below threshold)

"Where is the left side to this?"

Translation: "I'm a blind moron. Laugh at me."

Ha ha ha!

Jinxie, her website is not ... (Below threshold)

Jinxie, her website is not down due to heavy traffic. If so, I'm wondering why her twitter account doesn't have posts anymore about the "Take Back 20" campaign. Is that because of "heavy traffic"? Her Twitter is still working, so I highly doubt it.


Where is the left side to t... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Where is the left side to this?

Really? Last I heard Communism was still considered left. Heck, the dems have elected officials who openly embrace communism.

Burning the American flag and hating America are certainly leftist activities.

Fascism is more left than it is rightwing. Hitler's anti-Semitism is certainly more welcome on the left than anywhere else.

However, the whole posse comitatus thing is more rightish to me.

She is a dem politician, but she is for enforcing the borders which oddly enough he would want since he is against immigration (although that seems to be informed more by racism than by concerns about the economy and the law that most people who take that position have).

The guy is nuts and cannot be conveniently categorized as either right or left from his views.

Jinxie, if you would be so ... (Below threshold)

Jinxie, if you would be so kind as to nit pick what parts of the statment was extreme left wing, it would be much appreciated. Oh, you can't? Maybe I'm not a blind moron, then.
I honestly cannot see how pro-communism, anti-semitism, anti-immigration, and a hatred for today's government would deem him a mixture of right and left wing, as I only see right wing in this post.

I would think the take back... (Below threshold)
Buster Dog:

I would think the take back the 20 thing went away with the election. 18 were taken back (IIRC)

Jim, thank you for your exp... (Below threshold)

Jim, thank you for your explanation on the right/left wing statement. Although I have met my fair share of communists at Tea Party conventions and have only seen anti-semetics at Republican conventions and supporting the right wing, I can respect your point of view.

Buster Dog: The tweets abou... (Below threshold)

Buster Dog: The tweets about "take back 20" and the posts on Palin's website were not taken down after election.

I've got the Daily Kos cach... (Below threshold)
The shooter may be an absol... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

The shooter may be an absolute nutter but is he the fulfillment of Mark Penn's recent unconscious wish too? There are craven idiots supposedly on the left who make miillions for giving advice such as Mark Penn, Hillary`s strategist, and you wonder why I'm cynical and these are Democrats and liberal commentators countenancing this? Obama should have halted Penn then, but I'm sure he will say something anodyne now in his 'moment'.

I am sure that we will find... (Below threshold)

I am sure that we will find out more in the next few days, I think everyone here is agreed that that shooter is a total wackjob. I read his video and this type of shit is more in the line of an anarchist than any other political leanings. But then again, I could be wrong.

"Jinxie, her website is not... (Below threshold)

"Jinxie, her website is not down due to heavy traffic."

Oh, really? So you have an inside track on this? Do tell! Are you the webmaster of the site?

"If so, I'm wondering why her twitter account doesn't have posts anymore about the "Take Back 20" campaign."

*facepalm* Seriously? That's like asking, "Why doesn't GWB talk about his 2000 presidential campaign anymore?" The "Take Back the 20" campaign was about the 2010 elections, you nitwit! 18 out of those 20 were defeated, so what more needs to be said? Honestly! How utterly stupid can you be?

More of your stupidity:... (Below threshold)

More of your stupidity:

"I honestly cannot see how pro-communism, anti-semitism, anti-immigration, and a hatred for today's government would deem him a mixture of right and left wing, as I only see right wing in this post."

You think Communism, anti-Semitism, and hatred for the government are right-wing? Were you born yesterday or something? Been in a coma the last 12 years? Can't think of the last time I saw a right-winger wearing a Che Guevera t-shirt like so many leftists do. Can't recall the last time I heard a right-winger denigrate Israel like leftist Helen Thomas did last year. Can't recall any hatred and vitriol leveled at Obama and Democrats like it was at GWB and Republicans between 2000 and 2008.

Nutjob babies at KOS are sa... (Below threshold)

Nutjob babies at KOS are saying this is all Sarah Palins fault. Amazing.

"I honestly cannot see how ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"I honestly cannot see how pro-communism, anti-semitism, anti-immigration, and a hatred for today's government would deem him a mixture of right and left wing, as I only see right wing in this post."

I call bullshit.

First anyone who does not understand that since 1917 communism has been defined as far left really does not deserve the time taken to correct their ignorance.

Second, antisemitism today is primarily from the left as the darling of the left is the palistinian cause. The left has invested heavily in antisemitism and they continually blast the Christian right for its support of Israel.

Now the left is also very much in favor of open boarders and amnesty for illegal aliens so I would put opposition to those things on the right.

If you cannot understand these things I can only conclude that one of the following is true: 1) you are completely ignorant of politics of the last century, 2) you are an ineducable moron or 3) you are just being obtuse. I'd like to think 3, but experience tells me to expect 1 or 2.

OK then again we could look... (Below threshold)
jim m:

OK then again we could look at his friends who all considered him a lefty:


I have posted about today's... (Below threshold)

I have posted about today's sad and disturbing events at my own blog, here:


Including a link back to the above post here at Wizbang.

Hey Marco Polo, you're a ja... (Below threshold)

Hey Marco Polo, you're a jackass.

BoyBlue can't possibly be J... (Below threshold)

BoyBlue can't possibly be Jared Loughner. Think about it. BoyBlue says that in 2002, he urged Giffords to run and he thereafter raised $100K for her campaigns. In 2002, Jared Loughner would have been 13 years old. He's only 22 years old now.

To the guy who thinks Facis... (Below threshold)

To the guy who thinks Facism is leftist. Look in the dictionary. Facism is government run for corporations. Socialism is government run to benefit people. Opposite sides of the spectrum. FYO Dachau, Hitlers first concentration camp was built to imprison socialists.

Wrong fascism is government... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Wrong fascism is government control of corporations for the purpose of controlling economic output and the people. The only difference between fascism and socialism is that fascism allows nominal private ownership of business, but if said business does not follow the party line it is nationalized.

Socialism does not run things for the benefit of the people any more so than one can say that all governments exist for the benefit of the people. Socialism runs things in order to control the people and in most cases to enable the government to dictate the nature of society and how people live their lives.

Go read some history and then go read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism. Maybe you will learn something.

if that diarist at Daily Ko... (Below threshold)

if that diarist at Daily Kos had any involvement in the shooting, don't you think that he/she would be in custody by now?

BoyBlue is posting comments - are those comments posted from jail?


Boyblue is blaming Jesse Kl... (Below threshold)

Boyblue is blaming Jesse Klein supporters for the shooting. His recent post is below.

"I never thought i'd make it into the NYT. Ever. But being a part of her campaign against this odious Jesse Kelly last year, there's NO WAY this thing was NOT from disgruntled supporters of HIS. Kelly's supporters were so rabid and bigoted against Hispanics that even casual volunteers to Gabby's campaign feared them. They attacked my truck cuz i had Giffords paraphernalia all over it when i was trying to leave the October gay pride festival in Tucson. They were there to harass gays. Can you imagine that? his campaign people went to the Tucson gay pride to harass gay people!!!

I guess they just couldn't STAND that he lost. Rabid just ain't the word for it. Obviously. I am STILL sick to my stomach over this (I puked when they mistakenly declared her dead today). I have a picture of her and i at her November victory party and i cannot look at it without crying. Just as a statement, I am putting 2010 Giffords for Congress campaign material all over my new hybrid to show support. I have STILL been told to "fuck myself" by Kelly brownshirts whenever i wear Giffords t-shirts out. To this day!!! CRAZY.

Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

by BoyBlue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 08:19:49 PM PST"

Problem is, there is no evi... (Below threshold)

Problem is, there is no evidence the shooter supported Kelly. Boy blue, he's blaming who he wants to be guilty.
there's more evidence that a nutjob thought Giffords wasn't left enough.
but the nutjob aspect is the key, not the politics.
he gets on his high horse about righty blogs jumping to conclusions about his diary getting flushed, then hops in his Prius and tries to do a General Lee to geet to the conclusion he wants.
it can't be insanity. It can't be a far lefty taking out his issues on a shallow lefty... no, its all about the gays to this non-single issue voter.
i think he's no stranger to emotional disturbances himself...






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