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Oil and water don't mix

And some are in denial about it.  What follows is from a couple of months ago but thanks to Larwyn in email, I've just found out about it and thought you might find it interesting:

Chrislamic-Crusade.jpgThis weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.

In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad.

Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.

The concept of Chrislam, now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of "love your neighbor" at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia

"In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States," says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. "Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can't do that without having a relationship with them."

Stallsmith maintains that a rapprochement between Muslims and Christians can be achieved by the fact that Jesus is mentioned twenty-five times in the Quran.

The Chrislam movement has gained impetus by statements from President George W. Bush and that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God and by Rick Warren's reference to Isa (the Muslim name for Jesus) in his prayer at the inauguration of President Barack Obama.

Only 30 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Muslims, according to a Pew Forum poll. At the same time, more than half the country says they know "not very much" or "nothing at all" about the Islamic faith.

I'd suggest strongly that this article is evidence that the proponents of this program don't know much about either the Islamic faith or the Christian faith.

It reeks of yet more smoke from Satan.


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It's a sad day when Wizbang... (Below threshold)

It's a sad day when Wizbang's token agnostic has to cite the Bible to make the argument.

Revelation 3:15-16: ‘I know your works; you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth.'


Actually it's a little more... (Below threshold)

Actually it's a little more complex than that, JayTea. As with many things in Christianity, the development of arguments on both sides of this issue would probably come down to the classic Biblical dilemma of Jesus (the incarnation of God Himself) vs. Paul (Christianity's first and perhaps greatest theologian).

Those from the Paul camp will cite Paul's numerous references to avoiding behaviors and relationships that can lead to spiritual ruin, such as this admonition from his second letter to the Corinthians - "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?"

Those from the Jesus camp have a more complicated argument but one that is equally valid -- a thorough examination of the Gospels does not reveal a single example of Jesus ever attacking any non-Jewish culture or religious system, or directing his disciples to engage other cultures/religions in any way other than teaching and baptizing them (Matthew 28:16-20).

Personally I believe two things. First, the number of truly radical Muslims who burn with the desire to murder non-Muslims is relatively small. Second, there is no better way to end hostility between two groups of people than for those groups to begin relate to one another as people, rather as "us" vs. "them".

As in all things, caution is necessary because each side will have an agenda. But in the long run what will do the most to bring Islamic culture into the 21st century -- being taught by radical fundamentalist propaganda that Christians are infidels who must be slaughtered through jihad to appease Allah, or learning to see Christians as friends and brothers?

Michael,If we (Chr... (Below threshold)
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If we (Christians) minimize the differences inherent in these two religions as I suspect goes on in these kumbaya events, we do more harm than good... in the here and now and in my less than humble view, in the beyond...

Now is not the time to succumb to the tyranny of nice...

Where the rubber meets the ... (Below threshold)

Where the rubber meets the road...Christians protecting Muslims during their daily prayers in Egypt: http://makkah.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/christians-protecting-muslims-in-egypt-during-prayers/

Interesting debate. For wha... (Below threshold)

Interesting debate. For what it's worth, here's my $0.02.

For a Christian to really truly reach out to someone of another faith, you need some understanding of that faith. Not so you can win a my-faith-is-better argument, but so you can understand their background & relate your experiences to theirs. How do you gain that understanding? First (and foremost) you need to have a strong understanding of your own faith. Then, studying other faiths is important. Finally, getting out there and building personal relationships with the people around you. Let them see Christ living through you. When questions of faith come up, be ready to give solid answers- be ready to explain things like why you have confidence in your eternal salvation instead of "I hope to do enough good to get into heaven," or "I hope God's in a good mood when I meet him."

It's a tough rope to walk on. You have to reach out to others, (and here's the hard part) speak the truth in love about your faith and theirs without disparaging them & their faith. Again, it can't be a contest to show them how ridiculous/evil/silly their beliefs are- people just throw up walls when you attack like that. At the same time, you shouldn't condone things that are against your faith- for example I wouldn't bow towards Mecca in prayer with Muslims, but I would politely get out of their way and take the opportunity to do some praying of my own. Remember, Jesus was called the "friend of sinners" because He met with them and associated with them, instead of sitting in the temple debating with the other priests. Paul was out there, on the front lines, visiting places that were definitely not "safe" or easy mission opportunities.

Rick is right, though- you can't get by with the "many paths to the same place" line of thinking. Jesus was very firm when He said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life- none come to the Father except by Me."

Merely being Christian is a... (Below threshold)

Merely being Christian is an affront to other faiths. If Christianity is true, the Islam is wrong plain and simple. There is no way to "bridge" that. We have fought a lot historically because we speak the same theological language and know exactly what the other is saying. If you don't really believe your own faith, "bridging" is easy. You are apostate already, so why not triple tongue the shehada and get it over with.

unbelievable....... (Below threshold)


Reminiscent of 1938's fanta... (Below threshold)

Reminiscent of 1938's fantastically successful "Jewzi" reconciliation movement ...

I'll join Jay's token-ism a... (Below threshold)

I'll join Jay's token-ism as Wizbang's token Hard Oak Baptist, and simply add:

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." - 2 Timothy 4:3-4

All hail Tashlan, God of Na... (Below threshold)

All hail Tashlan, God of Narnia.






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