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Obama is "innately hostile to America"

That from Mike McDaniel at PajamasMedia is incredibly difficult to refute:

Begin with the reality that Mr. Obama is a socialist. Those doubting this assertion of fact need only refer to Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism. There, Stanley Kurtz meticulously and undeniably lays bare Mr. Obama's socialist education, associations, mentoring, roots, beliefs, and actions. Let us also keep in mind that socialism, like Marxism, is fundamentally incompatible with freedom, democracy, and capitalism as embodied in America's founding documents and as practiced in America. If Mr. Obama is indeed a socialist -- and he is -- then his belief system, his way of thinking, is innately hostile to America. Socialism and American democracy cannot coexist, so if Mr. Obama is pursuing socialist policies, American democracy must, of necessity, be weakened or destroyed.

But if this is true, how did Mr. Obama become president? It boils down to this: He lied. He lied about who he is, about his background, his fundamental beliefs, his intentions, and his methods. He employed standard Marxist/socialist tactics and concealed his true nature so as to seize power and impose his will, and for two years, he pretty much got away with it.

And he got away with it by having a media that was willing to not only propagate the lie but affirm and wilfully sell it as truth.

It's something Americans need to be reminded of again and again as 2012 approaches for the lies will once again be put front and center and once again be disseminated by an accomplice media.

The mantra of the American people ought to become "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."


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Can't argue with t... (Below threshold)

Can't argue with that. So we MUST work to make him "one and done".

As to who replaces him? I just hope she can be compelled to run.

For those who had ears to h... (Below threshold)
jim m:

For those who had ears to hear it was clear that obama was a communist and hated America before he even began his campaign for President. He has hung out with Maoists for decades (Ayers, Klonsky), went to a communist preacher every Sunday, used antidemocratic means to force opponents off the ballot.

As President he has appointed extra constitutional officials to run the government and declared that he decides what is constitutional rather than the Supreme Court. He has snubbed our democratic allies and coddled communist dictators and enemies of our nation.

If his agenda is not the destruction of our country it's a tremendous coincidence.

"He lied".And a co... (Below threshold)

"He lied".

And a complicit MSM went along with it. Which tells you one hell of a lot about the MSM.

And a complicit MSM went... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

And a complicit MSM went along with it. Which tells you one hell of a lot about the MSM.

I turn this one around: the fact that the MSM supported Obama tells you a hell of a lot about him. The media have been Red-infested at least since Walter Duranty wrote his encomia of Uncle Joe while he was starving the kulaks.

Obama is a puppet, a spokesmodel for the Reds. He was scouted early on, brought up through the Red farm system until he broke into the big leagues. Look at how effortlessly he rose, in the total absence of any achievement, how doors flew open for him before he had to knock, how he never had a setback, how he by chance ends up surrounded by communists (from Frank Marshall Davis to Bill Ayers to Van Jones), how the whiffier aspects of his life have been so effectively deep-sixed.

That's not luck; that's downfield blockingby the Party.

The wheels are coming off H... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

The wheels are coming off Helicopter Ben's illusion this summer and no one will see a continuance of Il Douche as feasible.

Yes, he's an ideologue and yes, he's incompetent.

His strategy from the beginning, Cloward-Piven's destruction of capitalism, he simply had no idea how fragile global-statist-capitalism had become.

OK, and this is news how? O... (Below threshold)

OK, and this is news how? Other than someone putting together all that we have known about this travesty of a president since he came into the public spotlight ... we've been shouting this all along.

I haven't yet read the whole linked article, but it's in my Instapaper account now, nor the book, so this may be asked within: During his campaign and first year to year and a half in office, it seemed as if there was someone pulling Obama's strings, directing everything he said and everything he did. Lately though, he seems to be operating on his own - his rats are abandoning ship. He hesitates to make a decision, or state a position, and often changes mid-stream. He is on his own. He is no longer useful to his handlers, which is bad enough because it is obvious he has no clue what he is doing. What happens when he is not just of no use, but becomes a hindrance?

The late, great United States of America was dealt a mortal blow upon the election of Obama to the most powerful position in the country, perhaps the world. Can she recover and reattain her once miraculous glory?

I can see 2012 from here ... although I would love, love, love to see Sarah Palin in the White House, I don't think 2012 is the year to do it. I hope and pray the GOP will learn from Obama's (handler's?) tactics, and run someone that appears to be a moderate conservative, but once in office, takes the reins and guides the nation fearlessly back to the principles upon which she was founded.

Obama has spent the last tw... (Below threshold)
Rick Caird:

Obama has spent the last two years shrinking in stature. It has turned out that whatever problem that has developed, if the problem cannot be talked to death, Obama is lost.

In a world needing leadership, Obama is the Cheshire cat without the grin. With any luck, he will completely disappear in 2012. Outside of the big airplane, the band, the big house, and the parties, he really doesn't like the job anyway. He is the dog who finally caught the car: now what?

Obama may well be a socialist, but he does not even know how to do that. His major characteristic is disinterest.

So, basically, anyone the l... (Below threshold)
MAJ Arkay:

So, basically, anyone the lame stream media endorses, we should run from, as quickly as possible. Anyone the lame stream media attacks and tries to destroy should probably be supported.

Agreed. Obama seems to la... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Agreed. Obama seems to lack the intelligence to operate on his own. His inability to act in the face of world events indicates that he is incapable of making crucial decisions on his own and does not trust his own understanding or judgment and is likely deferring to advisers of some sort for not just advice but the whole answer to the problems. He may not even be able to identify when here is a problem like Libya or a couple of years ago with Georgia.

For the MSM what could be a better outcome than state control of everything? They would be guaranteed jobs and all competition would be eradicated meaning there would not be anyone allowed to call them on their lies. All those pesky bloggers would be put in prison as political dissidents.

If anyone has any question about what side the media is on just look at Wisconsin and how they cover that. The unions are the heroes of democracy and the MSM ignores the violence and threats and intimidation while they call those who would give power back to the electorate dictators.

This is true. Don't need t... (Below threshold)

This is true. Don't need to sugar coat it. Obama is not evil (nor an evil genius). However, his upbringing was completely surrounded with anti-American, Marxist-leaning, pacifist-leaning, race-hustling "academics", etc. Period.

He has virutally no experience in anything other than race hustling dressed up was "social justice".

But the bottom line of Obama are really of everyone is this ........ race. He identifies being "black", therefore, he dislikes traditional, English speaking, Caucasian American history, traditions, values, etc.

Race influences all of us, whether we admit it or not. In the end, we all are "racist". Always have been, always will be. It can't be stopped or denied. Asians, Arabs are among the world's most "racist" peoples. It's only Western, Anglo-American culture that denigrates itself by importing millions of people from other races and cultures, in order for Western people to "feel better about themselves".

If the USA wants to regain it's greatness, it's most decide on whether it wants to be a Caucasian English speaking majority or a turd, I mean, third world, Spanish speaking Marxist mob rule, "worker's paradise".

jim m:"Agreed. Obama... (Below threshold)

jim m:
"Agreed. Obama seems to lack the intelligence to operate on his own."

I agree as well.
He is like a knight in shining armor who in his mind is a great warrior. However, he spends all of his time polishing his armor but never going into battle in it. Don't want to dent or scratch it. It may detract from its luster.

Or maybe he is the guy in the fox hole with you but be assured you're always going to be the one sticking your head above the ledge to check on the enemy or draw its fire.

Whoever guided him toward the presidency ultimately picked someone who when push comes to shove is a weak individual. Clearly he is a man of many words but little meaningful action and the action that has meaning is harmful to the United States. If we elect this man for a second term we only have ourselves to blame because the results of his first administration is such a blatant warning of his destructive nature.

Obama is not evil</p... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Obama is not evil

not unless you consider someone who wants to transform the US into a communist worker's paradise evil. Since people who succeed in turning their nations into such places usually do so with mass murder to achieve their aims, I'll reserve judgment for now. I would not put it past obama to use any means necessary to achieve his desires.

I think the only thing that holds him back is the fear that he might not get away with it long term.

Just in case anyone thought... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Just in case anyone thought that calling obama a communist was just blowing smoke, here's an article from July 2009 listing how not only his platform is congruent with that of the CPUSA, but also his approach.


The conclusion is chilling: The recession will continue because, "[T]his "long period of economic stagnation" will be an excuse for continued government intervention. As Lenin supposedly said, "the worse the better.""

As I have long thought, obama does not act to fix the economy because he wants the economy to provide the excuse to take over more and more of the economy. As he and his advisers are fond of saying, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

All of the usuals of Ob... (Below threshold)
gaius piconius:

All of the usuals of Obama's lies, incompetence and disengenuousness may be trotted out here and all will be have significant merit. Myself, however, am moving passed that and wish to express my utter contempt for this 'historic',third world attitudinal creep', (an epithet that I would cringe at if directed at me, even as only a humble vistor to the Wizgangasphere), in what I deem a literal truth: Barack Husein Obama can be admired for one thing only by people who deal in propriety...'the man has a excellent, bespoke tailor'. Beyond that actual fact he deserves no higher rating other than being classified as an, 'unsightly chanre on the male member of the American experience'. Pravda! .......For the young; dont look it up!...'chancre'...a venereal ulcer that never leads to anything good.

Didn't like him or trust him in 2008 and shudder at the concealed venom in this self-serving....( feel free to fill it in yourself).

Yeah, fuck that guy for cut... (Below threshold)

Yeah, fuck that guy for cutting taxes and allowing Wall Street to record record profits. Fucking communist.

I see hyper has come back o... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I see hyper has come back out of the commune to defend his messiah.

Perhaps instead of taking credit for what the GOP Congress has done Hyper should explain how the collectivist in chief is really some defender of the free enterprise system and a promoter of individual liberty.

jim m--Wall Street's profit... (Below threshold)

jim m--Wall Street's profits are at a record high. Your taxes--I fucking guarantee it--are lower than they were three years ago.

So unplug the goddamn talk radio from the USB port in your neck and try thinking about what is actually going on.

Since I changed careers and... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Since I changed careers and took a pay cut I would guarantee that my taxes are lower than they were 3 years ago too.

But I also guarantee that I pay more in sales taxes due to the inflation his profligate printing of money has set off because the prices of he goods and services I purchase are going up noticeably.

And he has not made any sort of payroll tax cut that effects me even with my (planned and voluntary) reduction in income.

17. Posted by hyperbolist |... (Below threshold)

17. Posted by hyperbolist | February 27, 2011 5:20 PM |

He left the Bush tax cuts in place.
So now there the Obama tax cuts.
Got it.
Doing more with less people would have a tendency to in increase profits.

I wouldn't think our Countr... (Below threshold)

I wouldn't think our Country deserved to be punished with Barry's illegitimate marxist baby.

Abort! Abort!

Yeah, fuck that... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Yeah, fuck that guy for cutting taxes and allowing Wall Street to record record profits. Fucking communist.

Biggest recipient of Wall Street campaign donations? Barack Hussein Obama, going away. Check out OpenSecrets.org.

Cutting taxes? Where did that come from? He only reluctantly agreed to allow the Bush tax cuts to remain in place because the Americans won back the House, where all tax and spending bills must originate.

Tax revenues are down, but that's because the economy is in the crapper. And that's because no one has any confidence in the Messiah, or any idea what he'll do next. So everyone is hunkered down, to wait and see.

Btw, has it occurred to you that the Messiah's unilateral abrogation of GM's lending agreements, in favor of his union cronies, means that no one in his right mind will ever loan a dime to any Democrat constituency while Obama is in office? This is one reason why bankrupt liberal states (but I repeat myself) have trouble borrowing money. Buy CA or IL bonds, and get GM'ed. What a deal!

Arguably, any fund manager who did buy them would be violating the "prudent man" rule, and end up legally liable as a consequence.

Wait a minute...Jay, are yo... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Wait a minute...Jay, are you implying that you think that Hyper is saying that obama cut taxes because tax revenues are down? Even I didn't think he was that stupid.

But now that you mention it...

So...are you saying cutting... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

So...are you saying cutting taxes is good?

No, cutting taxes is not go... (Below threshold)

No, cutting taxes is not good, not all the time anyway. But because your grasp of political philosophy and economics begins and ends with the Cliffs Notes of Atlas Shrugged, it would be a waste of time attempting to engage in any sort of rational discussion with you on this subject.

Hyper believes that if obam... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Hyper believes that if obama cut taxes then it would be good. Hyper is unable to get past the Keynesian philosophy of his lefty friends who all think that they are the only people who change their behavior when taxes are raised.

"it would be a waste of tim... (Below threshold)

"it would be a waste of time attempting to engage in any sort of rational discussion with you on this subject."

In other words you are as clueless as they come.

Dumb ass

It's not just Barry that ha... (Below threshold)
jim m:

It's not just Barry that hates democracy it's the whole democratic party. Check this from the Detroit News:

The lawmakers in exile call this a defense of democracy. In truth, it's a step toward anarchy. If it catches on as a practice, it will officially end government by, of and for the people.

It's part of a disturbing trend by Democrats to embrace a by-any-means-necessary approach to governing. We saw it during passage of Obamacare, when the Democratic majority in the U.S. Senate blew up the rules to block a filibuster. In Massachusetts, Democrats used after-the-fact law changes in a failed attempt to keep a Republican from succeeding Ted Kennedy.

Obama trashed bankruptcy law to move the United Auto Workers ahead of General Motors' and Chrysler's secured creditors. And his regulatory agencies are bypassing Congress to enact policies he knows the elected representatives would never approve.

The strategy exposes the arrogant liberal conviction that they are justified in imposing their will on the people, because only they know what's best for America.


I like how he uses the phrase "government by, of and for the people." The last time someone invoked that phrase the dems tried to destroy this country so they could continue to own black people.

Sorry the blockquote didn't... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Sorry the blockquote didn't work right above. The quote goes down to the link.

No, cutting taxes ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
No, cutting taxes is not good, not all the time anyway.

Ah, so when is it good?

So hanging one's hat... (Below threshold)

So hanging one's hat on the stock market performance that begs the question ask during the Bush administration.
Where are the jobs?

The mantra of the American ... (Below threshold)

The mantra of the American people ought to become "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

Fool me thrice, shame on Kenya.

Unfortunately, most people ... (Below threshold)

Unfortunately, most people in the U.S. don't watch Fox News or listen to talk radio. They certainly don't get onto blogs and investigate for themselves. This is why Obama has an excellent chance of being re-elected.At mere mention of Obama being a Marxist most people's eyes glaze over or they look at you as if you've grown two heads. Obama is cool, speaks well off a teleprompter and that is about all you need in our American Idol Age. It will take a remarkable politician or oil at $200 a barrel to beat him in my opinion.

At mere mention of Obama... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

At mere mention of Obama being a Marxist most people's eyes glaze over or they look at you as if you've grown two heads.

Try this one: ask them what Obama would do differently if he were a Marxist.

I've never gotten an answer to that question, much less a good answer.

It will take a remarkabl... (Below threshold)
jim m:

It will take a remarkable politician or oil at $200 a barrel to beat him in my opinion.

I think it will take someone willing to be blunt and honest like Chris Christie. If that counts as being remarkable then so be it. I think that more people are looking for that from politicians and in turn more politicians are willing to be what the people want.

As to the $200 per barrel prices we might see that by summer if Barry can't get his head in the game and deal with the middle east. Taking a week to make a no brainer decision to back the removal of Gaddafi isn't cutting it. Now we have uprisings in Bahrain and Yemen, both of which are going toward anti-American elements. Add that to the fact that Barry wants to see the economic difficulties go as long as he can make them in order to justify taking over more of the economy and I'd say $200 a barrel is a pretty good bet.

Hyperbolist-"No, c... (Below threshold)


"No, cutting taxes is no good, not all the time anyway."

"It would be a waste of time having any rational discussion"

Hypers mouth wrote a check his brain cant cash.

ask them what Obama woul... (Below threshold)
jim m:

ask them what Obama would do differently if he were a Marxist.


He would sit in silence while two bit communist dictators went on lengthy diatribes denigrating our country. Oh wait...

He would appoint dozens of apparatchiks to run the government without congressional oversight. Oh wait...

He would use his position to override the laws in order to pay off his political supporters. Oh wait...

He would refuse to enforce the laws breaking his oath of office. Oh wait...

No, no, Jim, he'd talk abou... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

No, no, Jim, he'd talk about redistributing the wealth. Oh wait...

Or he'd hobnob with communist autocrats (Castro, Chavez) while snubbing American allies (Britain). Oh wait...

He'd appoint confessed communists, such as Van Jones, to positions of authority. Oh wait ...


He'd use his campaign organ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

He'd use his campaign organ, Organizing for America, to organize protests in states with his union friends attempting to bring down state governments in an effort to support his political allies. Oh wait he's doing just that.

Obama has set himself up as an enemy of the people. He is using is organization to try to overcome the democratic process by intimidating lawmakers. He is creating an apparatus that will be used to overturn the democratic process in favor of his dictates.

He would fund jackboot thug... (Below threshold)

He would fund jackboot thugz to intimidate voters on election day. Oh wait...

He'd use OfA to organize pr... (Below threshold)
jim m:

He'd use OfA to organize protests where his union friends would assault and intimidate opponents and assault news media for reporting it.

I recall the left wailing about how Bush was going to destroy their rights and now that is exactly what they are doing, destroying everyone's rights and destroying democracy in order to get paid.

Are you people serious? Th... (Below threshold)

Are you people serious? This blog/comment section sounds kooky. The only theme I can put my finger on is the hatred of this man. Marxist, communist, etc....tell me this is a political satire blog; if not, you people got some serious issues.....get out of the cellar much?

I don't hate him. I just do... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I don't hate him. I just don't want him to succeed in his endeavors.

Let me put my question to you: if Obama were a Marxist, what would he do differently?

That should be an easy question for you to answer. Put us some knowledge here.

I haven't read one thing on... (Below threshold)

I haven't read one thing on this thread that wasn't originated on FOX propaganda. Talk about paranoia! One comment is nuttier than the next. Wake up and do some independent research. I'll bet 99% of you fools believe President Obama is an illegal alien (born in Kenya); and is a Muslim despite stating he is Christian. If Obama wants it, you're against it.
I'll bet 99% of you fools are pee party members; now there's a bunch of patriots...lmfao

"The only theme I can put m... (Below threshold)

"The only theme I can put my finger on is hatred of this man"

Not the Man, the MISSION. Yes, I do hate what he is doing to this Wonderful Country.

Now Joe4more, supposing we were wrong, what would Barry do as a Marxist that he doesn't do now? Besides admitting it that is?

@jayG: If you want him to f... (Below threshold)

@jayG: If you want him to fail so goes the country too. Your question is "if Obama were a Marxist....." is ridicules. Where did you hear such nonsense? I'll bet it was FOX propaganda, tell the truth, was it?
In all due respect, you sound nuts! Wack job as they say, you know, kooky; some would say...hmmm I know, not based in reality.......

I haven't read one thing... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I haven't read one thing on this thread that wasn't originated on FOX propaganda.

I don't watch TV.

@jayG: If you want him to fail so goes the country too. Your question is "if Obama were a Marxist....." is ridicules. Where did you hear such nonsense?

So...the President is the country, and vice versa? Did you want Bush to fail? Tell the truth. The President > the country. Don't be so simple-minded.

And I notice I didn't get an answer to my question, so I'll repeat it: if Obama were a Marxist, what would he do differently?

I'll take the absence of an answer from you as an implicit admission that your response is, "Nothing."

And you notably don't even ... (Below threshold)

And you notably don't even attempt to answer it, Joe.

Tell you what - why don't you point us at some of the successful endeavors Obama did in the past that qualifies him to be President? Remember - he quit as a community organizer because he wasn't successful. His handling of Grove Parc as an Illinois senator was a magnificent example of graft and greed. His co-management of the Annenburg Challenge to improve Chicago schools wasted well over $100 million with no improvement at all.

Got anything for us? Or is the question 'ridicules'?

Even the lefty trolls have ... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Even the lefty trolls have become completely lame nowadays.

I haven't read one thing... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I haven't read one thing on this thread that wasn't originated on FOX propaganda.

I don't watch TV.

@jayG: If you want him to fail so goes the country too. Your question is "if Obama were a Marxist....." is ridicules. Where did you hear such nonsense?

So...the President is the country, and vice versa? Did you want Bush to fail? Tell the truth. The President > the country. Don't be so simple-minded.

And I notice I didn't get an answer to my question, so I'll repeat it: if Obama were a Marxist, what would he do differently?

I'll take the absence of an answer from you as an implicit admission that your response is, "Nothing."

That should have had two br... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

That should have had two brackets, to indicate that the President != the country. Apparently the opening bracket was stripped out on posting.

I don't watch much tv eithe... (Below threshold)

I don't watch much tv either, accept for Gunsmoke reruns. The best this troll has is "&^$^JAYG*@#$% the question is redicules so i wont anserr.

Man, what is happening to our trolls? Spoon feeding by the 'Won' has turned their little minds into utter mush.

Poor Joe4more, kool-aid dri... (Below threshold)

Poor Joe4more, kool-aid drinker, equates pResident Obama with The Republic. I equate The People with The Republic, and We must do what is necessary to keep It. We have allowed Our sovereign borders to be violated with impunity. We have subsidized laziness, immorality, and crime. We have bred generations of parentless (bastard) wards of the State, whether they are housed in prisons, schools, public housing, or government jobs. We have allowed Our futures to be mortgaged to foreign powers and domestic criminals. The cancer of Socialism and Communism that has spread through every corner of Our government requires radical surgery, exposure to intense radiation, and repeated doses of chemotherapy. Freedom and individual liberty have not just eroded, they have been confiscated by tyranny. The People will not allow this to stand.

First affirmative action Pr... (Below threshold)

First affirmative action President. Whaddya expect, competence?
Quote from a black cook at a diner I go to: "Obama? Nothing but a half-breed sissy. But I'll still vote for him just to get back at The Man."

Joe4more,What is t... (Below threshold)
jim m:


What is this about Fox propaganda?

Did he or did he not say this week that he would not enforce DOMA? That is a direct abrogation of his oath of office. It is not for the president to decide if laws are constitutional that is why we have a supreme court.

Did he or did he not circumvent bankruptcy laws to move the UAW to the front of the queue and leave investors holding the bag for the bankruptcy?

Did he or did he not appoint over 30 so-called czars the majority of which were never presented to the senate for any sort of confirmation hearing?

Did he or did he not form Organizing for America? Is it not the case that OfA is organizing and promoting protests in Wisconsin and several other states? Have not these protests become violent? (or do you refuse to read anything that conflicts with your ideology?)

Did his administration dismiss charges against the black panther members after receiving a default judgment and have not DOJ personnel say under oath that they believe it was politically or racially motivated?

Did he or did he not use ballot challenges to throw all his primary opponents off the ballot to become an Illinois State Senator?

Where are the lies here? Everything can be found almost anywhere you choose to look.

"Everything can be found al... (Below threshold)

"Everything can be found almost anywhere you choose to look"

Everything but for the notable exception of college grades and Mary Mapes mid term project.

I think the lefty trolls wo... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I think the lefty trolls would be wise to educate themselves on how their union thug friends are representing them. They should take a trip over to http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/ and watch the videos of people being verbally and physically attacked. Then they should go back and try to find even one video of similar incidents from a TEA Party event (that is from a TEA party participant and not some lefty crasher).

So in the absence of an ans... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

So in the absence of an answer to my question, I'll take it as agreed: Obama's actions in office are indistinguishable from those of a Marxist.

They are distinguishable, i... (Below threshold)

They are distinguishable, it's all in the 'nuanced red shift'. Liberals live there and expect us to acknowledge all their good intentions and overlook things like facts and constitutions.

Maybe the media should suff... (Below threshold)

Maybe the media should suffer a revolution, such as don't buy the products advertised on the networks and tell the companies (those who buy advertising time) why you are boycotting them. Think of 60% of America refusing to buy products unless the media straightens up. Find the dirt that leading journalists have in their lives and expose it. Why the hell should they look (or make up) and point out what they see as wrong with conservatives and conservative ideals and escape with impunity from their own dirty crap?

Joe4more, lets try another ... (Below threshold)

Joe4more, lets try another angle: What WOULD someone have to do to be considered a communist/Marxist by you(Or any other lefty)? I suspect this question is like "What is the highest anyone should pay in taxes' in that none of them want to answer it, because staking out a position means you can officially lose.

Gotta love the Obama drones... (Below threshold)

Gotta love the Obama drones on this site.

I wonder how much OFA or Moron.org pays them to sit in their mom's basement and scour the Interweb attempting to defend their commie messiah against facts showing his ineptitude, incompetence, arrogance, and idiocy.

Jim, see, the question is l... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Jim, see, the question is like holding a crucifix up to a vampire.

They splutter and rage, try to change the subject, attack the question and the questioner, and basically do everything but one: answer the question.

How high were tax rates whe... (Below threshold)

How high were tax rates when the United States pulled itself out of the Great Depression?

Still no answer, I see.... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Still no answer, I see.

A pathetic attempt to change the subject, though.

Next up: an ad hominem attack. But still no answer.

You heard it here first.

Better question: How much ... (Below threshold)

Better question: How much did FDR extend the great depression by with his spending binges?

Technically speaking, WW II... (Below threshold)

Technically speaking, WW II ended the Great Depression by forcing your government to invest insane amounts of capital into the workforce.

I'm not saying that 10% unemployment is as bad as Hitler, but money solved the latter problem and it can certainly solve the former.

All things being equal, Hyp... (Below threshold)

All things being equal, Hyper, perhaps. But they aren't. There is no monolithic, existential threat we need to battle, and we've already spent pretty much the equivalent in GDP spending for WW2 on handouts and 'stimulus' during this depression - so if money were the cure, we'd be seeing...

An increased number of jobs
A much lower unemployment rate (down around the 3s)

Yet we aren't even close to seeing them.

So obviously there's factors that are different. I'm thinking it's because our government is MUCH larger than it was then, with correspondingly high expenses coming off the top of any money it's taking in...

Plus, we've got way too many lawyers.

And at the end of WW2, we s... (Below threshold)

And at the end of WW2, we stopped spending on the war - THAT we can pretty much never do at this point...

There is no monolithic, ... (Below threshold)

There is no monolithic, existential threat we need to battle

Yes there is. Your country cannot sustain 10% structural unemployment. It doesn't have the safety net of, say, Sweden or Canada or France. It needs to be around 4-5% or your economy and the next generation are totally fucked.

Lower spending means less jobs. Your country's infrastructure is dilapidated--why not repair it? There are people sitting around doing nothing who would be happy to pick up shovels.

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Hyper -

"Your country cannot sustain 10% structural unemployment."

I fully agree there - talk to the idiots inside the Beltway who seem to see no problems with it, as long as they can get the money to dole out as unemployment to insure votes next election!

Seriously, we're broke and the credit card's maxed out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it. (Maybe it takes a 'Constitutional Scholar' to ignore it, however.)

We're getting to a point where we're going to be seeing serious inflation across the board soon, which will make the dollar worth even LESS. I noticed this morning at WalMart that the little boxes of sweet rolls that had been selling for $1 for the last four, five years were up to $1.18 - which tells me something about our economy that I seriously don't like.

China and others are talking about dumping the dollar as the world currency. You can't have missed that, can you? (I seem to recall you saying you were in finance at one time..., could be wrong on that.)

Are you suggesting, in essence, that we take out a loan to fix up a house that we ALREADY can't pay the bills for and can't sell?

Anyhow - we've got to try to expand revenue at this point.

We can drop a lot of taxes and superfluous regulation and drop the size of government overall - which WILL allow the economy to grow and GDP to increase.

We can raise taxes. Right now, I can't imagine a better way to kick the recovering economy in the nuts and make sure it lays still on the ground, groaning and clutching its yarbles for a few more years. Let's put a 15% VAT on everything! Yeah, that'll do it...

Maybe I'm horribly unimaginative, but aside from borrowing a shitload more money that we won't be able to pay back, I don't see any other way around the problem.

(I'd suggest the Americans For Fair Taxation - FairTax.Org
proposal -

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 13) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.
- which WOULD lure a lot of business back from overseas - but it would take way too much control from the folks inside the Beltway.

So you tell me - how can we grow the economy to increase revenue?

Re Sweden, Canada, France - what works for them may not work for us. France is a lot less dependent on fossil fuels than we are (sending shitloads of money each year overseas to people who hate us, because they'll sell us the oil we won't drill for at home is stupid) - but try pointing out that THEY light up the Eiffel Tower with nuclear produced electricity and they suddenly don't want to talk about how we should do what France does. Sweden and Canada - does what works for a small population always work for a large one?

We're in trouble - I agree. But I think the folks in charge want to continue how they've been going - and I'm talking the politicians who've brought this upon us. THEY aren't going to be hurting if the economy collapses.

If China dumps its U.S. dol... (Below threshold)

If China dumps its U.S. dollars, what happens to the price of its exports (which are the backbone of its economy)? I wouldn't worry about that happening any time soon.

Inflation is pretty low right now in the U.S.. It will probably go up but nowhere near a level that ought to raise alarm bells. A weaker U.S. dollar means more exports. Certainly a silver lining. And the increase in the deficit that hiring more workers would imply, would be offset in the long run by getting those people off of social assistance. Fixing a bridge is noble work, whether or not the government pays you to do it or a private contractor does. Working for the government is still working, and still a way for the government to stimulate the economy.

I don't think anyone can say for certain what cutting the federal payroll will do for GDP, but GDP isn't what's important right now. Employment is what is important. Wall Street et al have done quite well these past few years.

Nobody has proposed raising taxes. Allowing the tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest Americans will not hamper growth--in fact, the U.S. economy has typically thrived when progressive tax rates have been imposed on the wealthiest bracket. Cut payroll taxes and cut taxes for the middle class, and force the people who have benefited these past few years from Obama's neoliberal economic policies to pay their fair share.

And no, I don't think that this is a partisan problem. Greed transcends party lines.


The flat tax benefits rich people to the expense of the poor. Wealthy people will hoard wealth, poor people will contribute an even greater proportion of their income to pay for the cost of society, and the problems illustrated in the charts in that article above will be exasperated.

Fair tax, Hyper, not flat t... (Below threshold)

Fair tax, Hyper, not flat tax. And don't forget the prebates that'll take care of a lot of the so-called 'inequality' of it all.

Sooner or later you're going to realize that so-called 'social justice' and fairness have a cost far out of proportion to any presumed benefit, and the surest way to keep the poor poor is to insist on 'fairness'.

(Shakes head, walks away.)

Note: still no answe... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Note: still no answer to my question.

Be it then resolved: Barack Hussein Obama, in his actions, is indistinguishable from a Marxist, by unanimous agreement of all here.

Everybody ignoring you is n... (Below threshold)

Everybody ignoring you is not the same as everybody tacitly endorsing your position, Jay G.

It just means that everybody is ignoring you.






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