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"Let people watch the hearing and decide then"

Peter King on the upcoming Congressional hearings on radical Islam:

In an appearance on CNN's State of the Union" Sunday, Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, defended his plan to hold hearings on radical Islam next week. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), a practicing Muslim who plans to testify at the hearings, also joined King.

Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, said he agreed with holding the hearings, but that the scope was too narrow. "It's absolutely the right thing to do for the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee to investigate radicalization. But to say we're going to investigate a -- a religious minority, and a particular one, I think is the wrong course of action to take," he said.

King defended against the charge, saying that other, smaller groups did not pose as grave a threat. "Eric Holder is not saying he's staying awake at night because of what's coming from anti-abortion demonstrators or coming from environmental extremists or from Neo-Nazis. It's the radicalization right now in the Muslim community," King said.

Asked why he would participate in the hearings Ellison said, "I believe in engaging the process. I think you've got to be involved in the conversation; you've got to offer an alternative view. And I do plan on saying that I challenge the basic premise of the hearings -- that I do agree that we should deal with radicalization and violent radicalization, but that singling out one community is the wrong thing to do."

"We're talking about a radicalization in this country which is linked to an overseas enemy. This is al Qaeda -- internationally is attempting to recruit within the United States," King said, when asked why he was not holding hearings on the Tucson shootings in January, which left his colleague Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) with a bullet wound to the head. "It's an international movement with elements here in the United States, and to me, that's a real distinction," he said.

"I am starting off with a number of hypotheses and theses that I believe in," King said. Asked what he hoped to learn from the hearings and why they were not to be seen as the government going after Muslims in the United States, King answered, "Let people watch the hearing and decide then."

"We need to be careful about how we use the instrumentality of the government in investigative hearings," Ellison said. "I think that it does make sense to talk with people in the Muslim community about how we can meet the challenge of public security."

Ellison's affirmation for the hearings, though tepid, is notable.  Hats off to him.

I think the American people might be shocked at what we learn in hearings like this, shocked at the enormity of the threat, shocked at what is taking place right here in our own backyards.

The real question however is what we'll do with what we learn.


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I would urge some le... (Below threshold)

I would urge some level of caution of movement towards a McCarthy-ish movement.

When I was going through chemo-therapy, I wasn't driving -- I took taxis everywhere. And became quite entangled with the muslim community which was highly represented within the taxi-driving community.

I ended up being pretty good friends with a number of them, and challenged them on the point of moderate Muslims speaking out against the more radical elements of their religion. They seemed to believe that it was a sin to speak out against other believers in public.

So, they understood the sentiment, and they understood the need. But they still refused to speak out in public.

That said: they would immediately turn anyone in that they thought was a "clear and present danger".


In any case, I think that moderate muslims are our best defense and intelligence network against this civilian threat. We need to not alienate them.

Putting followers of the mo... (Below threshold)

Putting followers of the moon god under oath to a bunch of sanctimonious infidels and expecting to hear truth is like asking vultures to become vegans. There are no "radical" or "moderate" people who believe the Koran; there is only a scale of devotion to its commandments, which believers claim to the the actual and unchangeable written word of The One God, understandable only in its original Arabic. What Congress will hear from these apologists is the contrived image of the "religion of peace", which, in truth, is provided in the grave via the most adherent followers of Muhammed. Islam is a cancer on the world's soul, and it will lead to more violence, bleeding, and dying as it imposes its "peace-of-death' on those in proximity to it. I'm supposed to pray in the name of Jesus for these evil-soaked people, but, by God, it gets harder every day to hold a Christ-like thought about them.

So God the omnipotent, gave... (Below threshold)

So God the omnipotent, gave us, his children, his last and final words in 7th century Arabic, a language that, statistically nobody spoke in the 7th century to include permission to lie, cheat, steal, rape, maim and kill anyone who objected to this thought.

And the followers of this prophet are going to tell the truth to a bunch of infidel Senators whose first priority is to get their votes?

I could begin to think that the divine model put forth by Terry Pratchett in Small Gods may be closer to the real story behind the founding of Islam.

I would urge some ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
I would urge some level of caution of movement towards a McCarthy-ish movement.

Only one problem: McCarthy was absolutely correct, as we now know from, inter alia, the VENONA decrypts and the Mitrokhin archive. Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs, Laughlin Currie, the lot - all guilty as sin.

Also, few know that the HUAC began ... to investigate Nazi penetration (e.g, the German-American Bund) in the US before Pearl Harbor. Only later did it turn to Communist subversion, which was then - and is today - even more pernicious.

What you'll get is... (Below threshold)

What you'll get is a lot of feel good, followed by some pandering rhetoric,in turn followed by---*crickets*.

It's all our fault, anyway--just ask ANY leftwit.

I'm going to call BS on you... (Below threshold)

I'm going to call BS on you William ... you have no way of knowing if your Muslim cab driving friends would turn anybody in ...

the fact is most leads DO NOT come from other Muslims in America ...

Guevara, you "now know" lot... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Guevara, you "now know" lots of things that "few know," such as the "fact" that McCarthy was "absolutely correct." You're a paranoid buffoon.

As much as it creeps me out that this King character is going to investigate Muslims and only Muslims, I'm willing to do as he asks. That is, watch the hearings and decide then. Going by his record of spouting bigoted, ignorant nonsense, I think he'll offer more of the same, but here's hoping he proves me wrong and does some good.

Bruce... might you cite for... (Below threshold)

Bruce... might you cite for the record with links and substantiation some of this bigoted, ignorant nonsense that King has spouted?

Because your record here on Wizbang suggests that you're once again doing nothing more than engaging in some serious projection... something you do often here.

Links substantiating the charge would be nice...

Why should anyone have a he... (Below threshold)

Why should anyone have a hearing about the giffords shooting when it has been established that he was not part of any group and was a common psychopath. Some say there are no stupid questions but this would seem to refute that assertion.

King has said that "85 perc... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

King has said that "85 percent of American Muslim community leaders are an enemy living among us." Oh, and also, "No American Muslims cooperate in the war on terror." In 2004, he said on Hannity's radio show that "85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists." He has said that "Muslims aren't Americans when it comes to war." He has appeared frequently on Frank Gaffney's radio show - Gaffney, whom even CPAC has called a "crazy bigot" - to discuss how much of a threat to America Sharia Law is. He calls Pam Geller "credible" and thinks Daniel Pipes is unimpeachable - HA!

No need for links, Rick. The information is easily found, indeed it's unavoidable when you Google the guy.

Maybe we will understand a ... (Below threshold)

Maybe we will understand a little better what makes this administration tick.

Bruce... give us links man.... (Below threshold)
Rick Author Profile Page:

Bruce... give us links man... you've made the claim, back it up... for once...

Rick, let me help you with ... (Below threshold)

Rick, let me help you with that:




Was that so hard?

In any case, whether or not he's bigoted, it's undisputed that he was an unabashed terrorist supporter.

Mr. King's support for the IRA was unequivocal. In 1982, for instance, he told a pro-IRA rally in Nassau County: "We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry."


In one of the same articles... (Below threshold)
Rick Author Profile Page:

In one of the same articles quoting King's assertion that 85% of muslim leaders are enemies to the US, I find the following:

However, in testimony before the U.S. State Department in 1999, Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, affirmed most of the mosques in the U.S. are run by extremists.

I guess Kabbani is an ignorant bigot as well eh Bruce?

Here's the full quote by King as to the lack of cooperation by Muslims during war time:

“[W]hen a war begins,” King said, every ethnic and religious group unites as “Americans.” “But in this case,” King continued, referring to Muslims, “this is not the situation. … Whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should

No bigotry or ignorance there... just unabashed and unfiltered truth.

As to the credibility of Pipes or Geller, I'll take their word on things Islamic before I take anything passed by the MSM as truth on the subject. Anything.

King did NOT invite the two... (Below threshold)

King did NOT invite the two most learned and "tuned in" men on the topic of radical Islam...Steve Emerson and Robert Spencer. Emerson has worked with King for nearly a decade, educated King in the ways of radical and terrorists. He also helped King put the committee together, drafting information and questions. Spencer's Jihad Watch is the most informative site on the Web when it comes to the activities of Islamofascists and terrorists. IN SHORT, King wussed out. He invited a terror sympathizer in Keith Ellison, but not the men who can actually speak to the terrorist ways of Islam.

Here's the full quote by... (Below threshold)

Here's the full quote by King as to the lack of cooperation by Muslims during war time:... No bigotry or ignorance there... just unabashed and unfiltered truth.

Like the Muslim who reported the Times Square car bomb. Just unfiltered truth.

My son used to go to school... (Below threshold)

My son used to go to school with two Muslim girls who's father killed them for dating outside of their religion.

I worked with their cousin.

While we can't paint everyone who is different from us as a threat, it is VERY important for everyone to know radical Islam isn't something that just happens "Over There." It is here as well and we must be vigilant.

I call bullshit, Houston. D... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I call bullshit, Houston. Don't believe you.

And john is correct that Rep King has a long history of support for terrorism - that is, as long as it's terrorism committed by white Irish guys, against the country Wizbangers keep saying we have a "special relationship" with.

Blowing up British civilians is fine with King. Makes returning a bust of Churchill seem kinda mild by comparison, huh?

None other than <a href="ht... (Below threshold)

None other than Bill Clinton and Tony Blair have affirmed King's perspective as to his IRA views:

His interpretation of the past draws support from former president Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, who as British prime minister oversaw the most successful phase of the peace process in Northern Ireland. In the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, all parties to the conflict agreed to use "exclusively peaceful and democratic means" to pursue their aspirations.

"He had indeed been controversial (at least with the British!) in some of his earlier statements. But once he saw a path to peace that was just and deliverable, he urged and campaigned for everyone to take it," Blair wrote in an e-mail. "I thought he was right in his concerns about the new global terrorism but could understand why he saw the Irish situation as different."

The only bullshit being bandied about here Bruce is the bullshit you fling nearly every time you comment on Wizbang.

Have another drink Bruce. <... (Below threshold)

Have another drink Bruce.

So it's OK to stay in touch... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

So it's OK to stay in touch with and "place into context" the acts of violence perpetrated by terrorists if the terrorists are white Irish guys, right Rick?

But one must have NO contact with, or express any level of understanding of the motives of brown Muslim terrorists, is that pretty much the gist of your thinking here?

I don't care (and neither do you!) what Bill Clinton says on the matter -- either blowing shit up and killing innocent civilians to make a political statement is wrong or it isn't.

Bruce #18...Probab... (Below threshold)

Bruce #18...

Probably not bullshit. In Texas...


"Amina Said, 18, and her sister Sarah, 17, smile happily in one widely circulating photo, and Amina is wearing what looks like a sweatshirt bearing the name “AMERICAN.” But their fate may have been the herald of a new, disquieting feature of the American landscape: honor killing. Amina and Sarah were shot dead in Irving, Texas, on New Year’s Day. Police are searching for their father, Yaser Abdel Said, on a warrant for capital murder.

The girls’ great aunt, Gail Gartrell, told reporters, “This was an honor killing.” She explained that Yaser Said had long abused the girls, and after discovering that they had boyfriends, had threatened to kill them -- whereupon their mother fled with them. “She ran with them,” said Gartrell, “because she knew he would carry out the threat.” But Said found them, and apparently did carry it out.

Even earned a place in an entry in Wiki -


Honor killings in the US... like it or not, they do exist.

Guevara, you "now know" ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Guevara, you "now know" lots of things that "few know," such as the "fact" that McCarthy was "absolutely correct." You're a paranoid buffoon.

And you're an ignorant turd.



I'm referring to materials that have been the subject of reports by a Senate commission chaired by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and of a report by the British SIS to Parliament. (See the references in the links above.)

They may not be known to you, but that's because they haven't yet come out in comic book form.

Every time I read one of Br... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Every time I read one of Bruce Henry's comments I wonder if "leftist" refers to their position on the IQ bell curve.

Yes, I know about your wiki... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Yes, I know about your wikipedia cites, Guevara, and how you've embraced them as Gospel, because they confirm your pre-existing paranoid notions. Bully for you.

Two things about 'em, though: one, they while they do appear to confirm the Rosenbergs were guilty, and Hiss, too, they damn sure don't demonstrate that Joe McCarthy was "100% correct." And, two, ever hear of a concept called "disinformation?" I believe the Soviets used it a couple of times.

But I do admit that it is possible that this Houston person knew the cousin of the honor killing victims cited in JLawson's link. It just seemed a little convenient that this Wizbang commenter would have personal knowledge of such a thing.

"It just seemed a little... (Below threshold)

"It just seemed a little convenient that this Wizbang commenter would have personal knowledge of such a thing."

Not so much. If you've got a high school with a student population of, say, 1500, then you've got about 2500 (+/-) parents, about 8-10k living grandparents and so on. Figure over 4 years you'll be having significant turnover each year (Freshmen coming, Seniors leaving) and you could get to 6k students easily, and 10k parents.

Care to make a bet that in a random sample of 10,000 people you won't find one that's heard of Wizbang? I don't think I'd make it...

Getting sick of feds not pr... (Below threshold)

Getting sick of feds not protecting us from islam. What does it take a lawsuit? Yes, ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM ! Islam has always been the problem since it was invented. In every corner of the globe, once islam takes hols, all others die, just like koran and hadith CLEARLY STATE. IT IS TIME FOR OUR GOVT TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM ISLAM NOT PRETEND IS PEACEFUL !


Getting sick of feds not pr... (Below threshold)

Getting sick of feds not protecting us from islam. What does it take a lawsuit? Yes, ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM ! Islam has always been the problem since it was invented. In every corner of the globe, once islam takes hold all others die, just like koran and hadith CLEARLY STATE. IT IS TIME FOR OUR GOVT TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM ISLAM NOT PRETEND ISLAM IS PEACEFUL ! It's time for our courts to examine the koran and hadith to see if these works promote violence. I think most of us already know the correct answer.






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