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"So shallow, so hyperpartisan, and so intellectually dishonest"

The hits on Obama's deficit reduction speech keep on coming... Charles Krauthammer piles on:

This country has made a huge mistake by electing this guy and it's becoming now so obvious... if someone can intelligently rebut Krauthammer's remarks here, by all means, comment away and go for it.


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The only intelligent rebutt... (Below threshold)

The only intelligent rebuttal is for the likes of Woop to apologize and promise not to vote for this disgrace again.

2012 cannot be here soon enough politically/economically speaking.

I don't know if they can do... (Below threshold)

I don't know if they can do it intelligently but here will be the main talking points of any rebuttal.

Racist, evil, ugly, unAmerican, Bush Bad, stupid, Rethuglicans want to kill poor people, Protect the rich, and Obama is Awesome...

Krauthammer VS Woop = Mike ... (Below threshold)
Brett :

Krauthammer VS Woop = Mike Tyson VS Carol Channing

I choose to affirm, big tim... (Below threshold)

I choose to affirm, big time!

Obama was obviously panderi... (Below threshold)

Obama was obviously pandering to those with a low IQ. Most of these are the same ones who pay NO income tax.

I like the proviso that any... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I like the proviso that any rebuttal be intelligent.

It has silenced our resident 52%ers.

If they played this in the ... (Below threshold)

If they played this in the mid-east, there would be riots galore. You don't poke fun at a muslum leader and get away with it.

By limiting rebuttal of CK ... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

By limiting rebuttal of CK to intelligent comments only, you effectively cut our leftists out of the conversation.

Any minute now, Jesse Jackson will be picketing (or more precisely, visiting the picketers briefly to recite a few rhymes) over your "lack of commitment to diversity," etc.

"So shallow, so hyperpartis... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"So shallow, so hyperpartisan, and so intellectually dishonest"

Are we talking about Woop, Hyper or Gnossos?

"...and I say that with all... (Below threshold)

"...and I say that with all due respect." Ha!

If Obama were to parrot Bowles' recommendations, the GOP would shift the goalposts even further right. It's what they do: offer a position; get idiot Dems to agree to it; and then try and pull the rug out from under them and leave them with egg on their face.

So: if Obama thinks Bowles' proposition is reasonable, then his starting point in terms of bargaining needs to be well more progressive, else the GOP will dictate the terms from there on in.

Krauthammer and the rest of the people sitting at that table stand to benefit from low taxes on rich people. At this point in history, the middle and lower classes do not. Cutting spending during a recovery from an historically awful recession will cause the short-term employment problem to become structural, and your country isn't set up to sustain 9% unemployment. Tax cuts will grow GDP in the short (and probably long) term but they will not create jobs and, given that they will not expand the tax base, they will not close the deficit.

It's nice, though, that hacks like Krauthammer and his ilk are becoming more transparent about one thing: they either don't care about the deficit, or they don't understand the nature of the problem.

"Tax cuts will grow ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Tax cuts will grow GDP in the short (and probably long) term but they will not create jobs and, given that they will not expand the tax base, they will not close the deficit"


You admit that tax cuts will grow GPD but then say that it will not expand tax basse or lead to jobs.

It is almost impossible to grow the GDP without growing jobs and not expanding the tax base unless you are talking about in terms of Dollars and just use inflation to grow GDP.

Your statement shows just what a fucking idiot you are. I hope for your girlfriend's sake that you can cook better than you can balance a checkbook.

Oh and Hyper"they wi... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Oh and Hyper
"they will not close the deficit"

This part was true at least it is as long as congress keeps spending like a drunken sailor on things which are not absolutely essential.

Don't give up your day job ... (Below threshold)

Don't give up your day job to become an economic advisor Hyper. You are cluless as hell.

Hyper Even though ... (Below threshold)
retired military:


Even though your abortion thoughts agree with those of the chinese govt they have decided to ban your writings in their country.


"New guidelines issued on March 31 discourage plot lines that contain elements of "fantasy, time-travel, random compilations of mythical stories, bizarre plots, absurd techniques, even propagating feudal superstitions, fatalism and reincarnation, ambiguous moral lessons, and a lack of positive thinking.""

unfortunately all of those descriptions fit your writings.

Hey, the New York Times tho... (Below threshold)

Hey, the New York Times thought it was a fantastic speech. So it must have been good huh?......hello........hellooooo......(crickets)

hyperbolist, the proviso he... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

hyperbolist, the proviso here was intelligent rebuttal.


Retired Military:... (Below threshold)

Retired Military:
"This part was true at least it is as long as congress keeps spending like a drunken sailor on things which are not absolutely essential."

I think you really owe Drunken Sailors an apology. Unlike Congress, a drunken sailor stops drinking when he runs out of money!

SshiellI have know... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I have known a few drunk sailors in my time and they will borrow money from friends if they can get away with it.

As a US Navy vet let's be ... (Below threshold)

As a US Navy vet let's be honest. The reason sailors could spend was because we were at sea. Had all those checks saved up when we hit port.

1). Sailors worked hard
2) Sailors spent their own money
3) we did not use the tax code to force people to surrender money and then give it to someone else and call it charity
4). If we screwed up with that money we could get NJP

Hcddbz No knock o... (Below threshold)
retired military:


No knock on sailors. Hell the same thing can be said of the army as well.

I knew the reason why sailors got drunk and also why they had the money. Hell working 12 hour shifts 7 days a week on ships, hot bunking on subs, etc

RM, #11: the GDP has grown ... (Below threshold)

RM, #11: the GDP has grown over the past two years while employment has remained stagnant. So it's entirely possible to have a jobless recovery. Shouldn't be hard for you to accept, given that you're currently in the midst of one. Though the supply-siders have convinced you of the contrary, a rising tide does not necessarily lift all boats. Wall Street has recorded enormous profits these past few years while the middle class has shrunk. That's a fact, and you can choose to ignore it or you can choose to address it. In the grand scheme of things it makes no difference whatsoever how and whether you choose to align your opinions with reality.

I should thank you for your concern for my girlfriend's well-being though, chum. My RRSPs (like a 401K) are robust, and I'm helping her invest some inheritance. After reading what Roubini had to say about the U.S. financial system in 2007, I moved all my U.S. investments into the Canadian financial sector and made money (>10%/annum) while your most 401Ks were cut in half. We can afford to travel a lot and are looking to invest in a starter home in Toronto (because who wants to live in a condo?). But again, I do appreciate your concern.

HyperJobs are the ... (Below threshold)
retired military:


Jobs are the last thing to pick up when coming out of a recession. Recessions will end one way or another no matter what. Eventually businesses adapt.

As to whether this downturn period (since recession has a specific meaning) is over I sincerely doubt it.

As for jobless recovery. Funny you dont here that phrase on the news llke you did when Bush was president. I wonder why.

The govt can take actions to help or hurt a recovery. Obama is all hurt.

If ever an issue demonstrat... (Below threshold)

If ever an issue demonstrated beyond all possible argument that Fascissocialism is a Psychosis, it is this matter of the post-Woodrow Wilson/FDRoosevelt "Democrats:" having systematically and systemically looted the Treasury of Scores of Trillions of Dollars now playing infantile politics with the absolute fact of their having bankrupted the feral gummint.

Lost among the recent pretending to have reached a "an agreement about 'cuts' in expenditure" is that the mongrel basta*d that presently pretends to America's presidency used the safety, salary payments and family security of America's Armed Forces as the club with which he beat up and Boehner'd the gutless Republicans.

Never in our beloved fraternal republic's history has such an evil basta*d occupied our once white house!

RM: I'm not defending Obama... (Below threshold)

RM: I'm not defending Obama's economic policies. Geithner is a parasite beholden to Wall Street, and Wall Street gambles with naive people's 401k's.

But Ryan's proposal would make matters far worse.

So we have a partial and bizarre accord in at least one regard.

Oh hey, to any moderators (Rick? purportedly a Catholic?), Brian Richard Allen just referred to a mixed-race President as a "mongrel". Jay Tea banned jhow66 for exactly the same kind of comment following McCain's defeat.

But nary a word of warning this time around? What, does Brian get a free pass because he can form a coherent sentence? Is bigotry permissible if wrapped up in shiny alliterations and similes?

HyperDo you keep t... (Below threshold)
retired military:


Do you keep track of who is banned and who isnt from this site and why?

ref Ryan's proposal's

I dont see how things can get much worse. Kerry was the "not Bush candidate" and lost. Obama was the "Not Bush candidate" and won. Whoever the republican candidate will be they will be first and foremost the "Not Obama" candidate and will probably win. Since the dems by just about all accounts are going to lose the Senate and most likely even a larger margin in the house (thanks to Obama and Pelosi and Reid) then Ryan's budget has a good chance if not this year than later on down the road. I just hope it isnt too late.

HyperBTW my stepda... (Below threshold)
retired military:


BTW my stepdaughter is biracial and I find the term mongrel very offensive as well.

hyperbolist:retire... (Below threshold)


retired military:

I've made a career in a manner that has taken me the equivilent of around 750 times around the Earth and have lived and worked my entire adult life in and/or of and/or with the Air and other Forces, Agencies and Institutions of the 20 countries I have, during the past 69 years, called home.

My wife and half my family and my every friend on Earth but one are of what you apparent racialists and obvious haters, hyperbolist, apparently call "biracial" (whatever the Hell, that is!) -- and long long long before any of us had ever heard my Hero, Martin Luther King plagiarize anyone or anything, already judged every Man only by the the content of his Character. And still do.

My (thoughtless - there is neither hatred in my heart nor "political correctness" in this home) comment was driven only by my love of Land and of Liberty and reflects only my political take on the evil thing (God knows it's not a Man and is most certainly not an American) to whom it referred.

So please do not project either your core and driving envy, rage and hatred, hyperbolist -- or your, however well-intentioned, inadvertant mischaracterization, retired military, on to me.

Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels - Cailfobambicated 90028
And The Very Far Abroad

BrianI try to reme... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I try to remember that my message may get lost if I use words that others will key in on. I hate political correctness as much as the next person but the word Mongrel has and still is used (not so much today) for someone who is biracial.

I dont get offended easily but that is one of the things that will still do it.

No, RM, I just remember an ... (Below threshold)

No, RM, I just remember an evil racist piece of garbage finally snapping after Obama won the election.

Thanks for calling out Brian. There's no place for debris like this "man" in the world.

Barack Obama is an American, Brian, and represents the pinnacle of your society. You, on the other hand, are its antithesis.

retired militaryTh... (Below threshold)

retired military

Thanks for yours. And for your service. I'm a foreign born, immigrant -- and therefore hyphenated -- American. (And seeing I got to choose, I'm an AMERICAN-American!)

Where I was born and grew up your best buddy is quite likely "a bit of a basta*d" but likely "not a bad poor basta*d as bad poor basta*ds go." And the term "mongrel basta*d" is reserved for a creature with an imploded black hole in the place decent men have Character -- but has no racialist conontation whatsoever. I've worked (flown) in and out of more than 150 countries and never even notice a man's "color" nor could care less. Good and Evil and Right and wrong and the content of his character is all I see.

As for that other creep? Always happy when one of the enemy goes for the ad hominem. Provides instant feedback as to the efficacy of one's argument.

Per Ardua ad Astra! Semper Fi!

BrianI understand ... (Below threshold)
retired military:


I understand a bit more now about your use of the word. I was wondering if you really didnt know what biracial was (it means mixed race).
Mongrel is usually referring to a dog, specifically, dogs of different breeds. So I would not advise you to use the word in relation to people as it has very harsh and negative connotations ergarding their race.

I am prepared to accept Brian's explanation as simply misunderstanding how the word can be used in relation to Obama being biracial.
Sometimes things can be more than they seem on
the face.

It's commendable that you'r... (Below threshold)

It's commendable that you're willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, RM. Personally, I'm convinced that he used the term in the worst way possible. Look at the last sentence in comment 23. In what way is the White House no longer white?






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