Lies and the Damn Liars who Perpetuate Them

Some lies are slow to die.

Take for example the lie that President George W. Bush “Lied the United States into War with Iraq” more frequently presented as “Bush Lied.”

Wikileaks And The Great Saddam WMD Scam

by James Dunnigan
Strategy Page

Wikileaks documents continue to surface. Some of the latest ones cover the Iraqi chemical weapons program after 1991. In particular these documents deal with the evidence of chemical weapons U.S. troops found in Iraq after 2003. This is all part of an ongoing, largely ideological, media battle over exactly what happened to Iraqi chemical weapons after 1991. Up until early 2003, the conventional wisdom was that Saddam had chemical weapons, and just would not give them up. Some thought Saddam’s strategy was dumb. All he had to do was let the UN inspectors do their job and get Iraqi out from under the embargo. All Saddam had to do was destroy all his chemical weapons and proved to the UN. He could easily reconstitute his chemical weapons later.

What no one brought up was what Saddam was actually doing. He was pretending to have chemical weapons in order to keep the Iranians at bay. Horrendous casualties from Iraqi chemical weapons had forced the Iranians to end the 1980s war in an ignominious (for the Iranians) draw. In 2003 the Iranians still wanted Saddam’s head on a pike, and Saddam saw his imaginary chemical weapons as a primary defense against Iranian attack.

This deception was not revealed until after Saddam was out of power and some of his key aides could talk. Saddam kept the real situation (no real chemical weapons programs) secret even from most of his closest aides and military commanders. Saddam trusted very few people. His deception worked, but got him killed anyway because the scheme backfired. Because the rest of the world (especially the United States) believed Saddam still had chemical weapons program and some of those weapons were liable to be given to al Qaeda (which Saddam was in contact with). After September 11, 2001 Saddam seemed like the only leader in the region crazy enough to continue supporting al Qaeda. Officially al Qaeda wanted Saddam gone but in reality Saddam had something of an understanding with al Qaeda (as did many Moslem government.) Saddam would let al Qaeda men quietly travel through Iraq and use Iraq as a hideout as long as there were no active operations against Saddam. Iraq had arrangements like this with many terror groups even though both sides knew that eventually these ceasefires would have to be broken. The U.S. also knew that Saddam was publicly calling for terror attacks on the United States and hailing the 911 attacks as a great victory for Moslems.

So whenever you run across someone insisting “Bush Lied” just point and laugh…

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  • jim_m

    I think the shear volume and variety of lies from Obama should put an end to that. And now especially with the escalation of violence in Iraq and the looming need to commit more military to the region we are facing probably more people dying than would have if we had stayed in there and stayed the course. Sadly there are too many cowards like Obama and Chico who would rather demagogue the issue and attempt to achieve short term gains at the expense of long term loses that they hope to blame on others (because they cannot take responsibility fir their own actions).

    • I almost subtitled this “frack you chica….”

    • Commander_Chico

      “Sheer” volume, not “shear” volume, unless you are talking about hair or wool.

      This will be the verdict of history no matter what Munchkin says: Those Bush assholes hyped a non-existent threat and got many good Americans killed and maimed in what turned out to be the worst mistake in US foreign policy history.

      • Hank_M

        I didn’t realize Bill and Hillary, Albright, Carl Levin, Al Gore, John Kerry and other liberals were Bush assholes.
        If you’re going to argue about the hype leading up to the Irag war, don’t discount the many many democrats who urged action.

        As to the worst mistake in US foreign policy….He’s still in the White House.

        • Commander_Chico

          As he said, Bush was “The Decider.” The buck stops there.

          • Hank_M

            Bush got congressional approval including yes votes from Kerry, Clinton, Biden, Reid, Dodd and others.

            If we’re going to look back on the Iraq war as a debacle, then there’s plenty of blame to go around.
            As for being the “Decider”, Obama can only dream of wearing that label.

          • Commander_Chico

            True, but Bush fed everyone on the planet bullshit.

            Then his incompetent team fucked everything up from Day One.

          • Retired military

            Albright, both Clintons, Biden and Kerry all talked about the danger of Iraq WMDs prior to Bush even being elected. yet Chico says nothing about that.

          • He essentially denies that reality, being the Damn Liar he is.

          • Commander_Chico

            and Hans Blix and the UN inspectors said there were none, and the only “intelligence” was cooked up Curveball bullshit.

            Talk is cheap, Bush made the call to attack Iraq with disastrous results.

          • jim_m

            There was always more than just the nukes and you know it.

          • Retired military

            Hans Blix?? You mean the guy who wants the entire world to be able to vote for the US President? That Hans Blix?

          • Retired military
          • jim_m

            So your claim is that Bush lied to President Clinton prompting Clinton to claim that Saddam was harboring WMD’s?

          • Commander_Chico

            Bush invaded Iraq, not Clinton.

          • jim_m

            So you have forgotten that Bill got an authorization to use force as well? You have forgotten that Bill said that Saddam had WMD’s?

          • Commander_Chico

            So what? Clinton didn’t invade.

          • jim_m

            So what???? He Lied you dumbass!! His intel was the basis for Bush’s invasion!!!!!!!!! Don’t you get that? Are you really that unspeakable stupid?

          • Commander_Chico

            The Bush set up its own intel shop, the office of special plans, which collected the “intel.” It was outside the regular agencies.

            For example they used forged documents indicating uranium shipments from Niger and information from “Curveball.”

          • jim_m

            Idiot. There was more than just the nuclear weapons issue. There was a chemical and biological weapons program that was known to have existed and which Saddam maintained the fiction that it was still in existence. EVERYONE believed this for the reasons stated in the article above.
            You cherry pick your evidence to create a lie.

          • He’s a Damn Liar. He has no excuse for continuing to peddle a Damn Lie.

          • Ha ha!, ya Damn Liar.

          • Retired military

            Unless of course it is Obama who is deciding in which case we here Obama is bad but XXXX was worse.

          • Retired military

            Unless of course Obama is “the Decider” in which case the buck stops everywhere but Obama.

          • You’ve noticed that too?

      • LiberalNightmare

        As opposed to the Obama assholes, that minimized the real threat and wasted the sacrifice of all those good Americans by allowing Iraq to become the ISIS homeland.

      • jim_m

        I will try to find the link for you dumbass, but the article shows how saddam deliberately played that he had a we’d program because he was using the threat to hold off the Iranians who he had gassed before.

        Never mind that all the demo were convinced that he had thrm.

        Never mind that the Intel all camenities from Clinton.

        Never mind that there were a dozen or more issues in the authorization bill.

        Just keep telling the lies. Sooner or later people will believe in them. Right?

      • jim_m

        Sheer! Curse you autocorrect!

      • Right on cue, a Damn Liar.

      • Ha ha!

  • Commander_Chico
    • Kaiser Derden

      and now all the gains from that sacrifice have been squandered by Obama … sad …

      • Commander_Chico

        What gains were there ever for ordinary Americans that were “squandered?”

        Yeah, right.

        Halliburton stockholders, maybe.

    • Ha ha!

      chica the Damn Liar.

    • Retired military

      Wait didnt Obama say that Iraq was secure? That ISIS was the JV team?

    • Retired military

      Are those stats from Iraq war or Obamacare? Actually I think Obamacare stats are going to be a lot worse. Especially in the cost and casualty departments.

      • Commander_Chico

        For the sake of the service dead and maimed, you should be ashamed of that remark.

        • jim_m

          Like you care. If they died in service of your ideological goals you could multiply those numbers by 1,000,000 and you would count it as cheap.

          • Commander_Chico

            I knew people who died there.

          • jim_m

            Oh, so it matters to you only if you know them. Now I understand.
            Unlike you, I can discern between my personal desires and what is best for the nation.

          • Commander_Chico

            Because the chickenhawks never know anyone in harm’s way.

          • jim_m

            You have no idea bucko. You should stfu now.

          • Commander_Chico
          • jim_m

            Posting self portraits now are we?

          • jim_m

            It’s rather revealing that you believe that US military policy should be dictated by whether you or the people you know are affected, yet you don’t give a damn if other people who you don’t know are affected.
            Just exactly how many millions of people that you don’t know are you willing to sacrifice for your agenda?

          • Projection rears its ugly head yet again… You Damn Liar.

          • Retired military

            Chicken hawk like Obama? Did Biden or Obama ever serve ?

          • jim_m

            I’m sure you were saying that when Clinton was sending troops to Bosnia and our soldiers were dying in Mogadishu. Yeah, you’re real consistent in that criticism. Only conservatives can be chicken Hawks. Letting Obama set the rules of engagement so our soldiers get killed is just fine with you. When did Obama serve?

        • You’re the one pissing away what they paid for in blood, sweat, turmoil, and tears, you Damn Liar.

        • Retired military

          Why ? Exactly how did I dishonor their sacrifice? How did I cause their deaths to be for nothing?
          Bush spent a trillion on Iraq in 6 years. Obama blew that much his first year in office on the stimulus which did nothing but pay off dem allies.
          Look at the vets who have died waiting for the VA under Obama to take care of them. Where is your outrage there?
          You could give a crap less about the war dead and injured other than to use it as a blundgeon to hit Bush over the head with.
          WHere is your outrage on the people who have died the last 5+ years that Obama was president? For the Seal team 6 members who lost their lives thanks to Obama and Biden showboating and rushing off to tout how they had killed Osama.
          Your faux outrage sickens and disgusts me.

          • jim_m

            Sadly, you have pegged Chico correctly. He really doesn’t care how many die to advance his agenda and the dead he professes to care about he only cares about so he can stand on their dead bodies to advance that same agenda.

          • Just statistics for our Damn Liar.

          • Commander_Chico

            You’re on the government tit, and all you complain about is Obamacare.

            In order to bitch about poor people getting health insurance, because it offends your sense of entitlement, you minimize the sacrifice of those who were killed in maimed in an unnecessary war.

          • And you’re a Damn Liar.

          • jim_m

            And you completely ignore those killed and wounded in wars that advance your agenda. These people you never mention at all. Not even once .

            Apparently, you don’t object to military deaths on principle you only object where it is politically usegul..

          • Commander_Chico

            I haven’t seen a war that “advanced my agenda” since Korea.

          • Damn Liar also claims to be Korean War Veteran (WWII Veteran before he went back and changed it)…

          • Commander_Chico

            Well I decided the Korean War was legit because it was a response to outright invasion.

          • Jwb10001

            You mean like the outright invasion that put Sadaam in the box we was trying to squirm out of?

          • Retired military

            And Chico goes with Option D. The retired military guy.
            a. I earned what I get from the govt. THank you.
            b. I work for the govt yes. But I work. unlike others who don’t and suck the tit for all it is worth. BTW When I was an e-5 I was eligible for WIC due to my family. Didn’t take it. Never have and never will.
            c. I know people who have died in the war. I don’t minimize anything about their sacrifice. I don’t use it for political gain either like you attempt to do. For example you continually talk about chickenhawks yet you neglect to mention all the soldiers who have died while Obama was President. I know I know. Obama is bad but Bush was worse.
            And finally since you decided to go with your old stand by’s yet again I have a few questions that you never answered.

            “As I said before, try answering what people say, and not try to put words in others’ mouths, debate goes better” – Chico, Famed Wizbangblog poster

            How about practising what you preach Chico.

            1 Oprah,the Lamestream media, Reid, Pelosi, and other major dems have called people racist simply because they oppose Obama’s
            policies. Yet when they oppose those same policies when espoused by Bill, Hillary. Reid, Pelos, Gore, Kerry, etc etc they weren’t considered racist then by Oprah, etc etc (I don’t know isn’t good enough)
            Do you feel that it is because the left is just playing the race card?

            2. People were called racist anarchist terrorists when they tried to delay Obamacare yet Al Franken who did the same thing wasn’t called Racist. Do you feel that it is because he is a democrat and the people doing the call just playing the race card because that is all they have?

            3. People were called racist anarchist terrorist when they called for the delay of all or part of Obamacare and Obama who is unconstitutionally doing the same thing is not called a racist anarchist terrorist. Do you feel that it is because he is a democrat and the people doing the calling are just playing the race card because that is all they have?

            4. Chico stated ” They (duck dynasty guys) were clean shaven before they pitched the TV show.” yet you provided zero proof of this statement. Please do so now.

            Examples of statements 1, 2, and 3 (since you reject the premise)

            Salon writer Joan Wals
            It’s simply stunning: Longtime Republican imagemaker Ailes figured out how to make sure that our twice-elected Democratic president, backed by a coalition that represents an emerging, multiracial America, must periodically be checked and hopefully shamed by a representative of the angry right-wing white male minority that barely considers him a legitimate leader…

            O’Reilly and Ailes and their viewers see this president as unqualified and ungrateful, an affirmative action baby who won’t thank us for all we’ve done for him and his cohort. The question was, of course, deeply condescending and borderline racist. Obama has been afforded “so much opportunity”? What about O’Reilly, who pretends he’s a working-class son of Levittown, Long Island, when he’s actually the kid of an accountant who grew up in Westbury and went to private high school and university

            Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore: “This is still a pretty conservative country and people are upset about the policies in Washington and they don’t think the politicians are listening.”
            Host Chris Matthews: “Okay, I think, I think some of the people are upset because we have a black President.”
            Talking about the town hall protests against ObamaCare on MSNBC’s Hardball, August 11, 2009.

            If racism is not the whole of the Tea Party, it is in its heart, along with blind hatred, a total disinterest in the welfare of others, and a full-flowered, self-rationalizing refusal to accept the outcomes of elections, or the reality of democracy, or the narrowness of their minds and the equal narrowness of their public support.”
            — MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann on Countdown, March 22, 2010.

            “The Republican Party in this country has been running on hate and division for the last 50 years….What black person, gay guy or girl, immigrant or Muslim American in their right mind would vote for the Republican Party? They might as well hang a sign around their neck saying, ‘I hate myself.’”
            — Fill-in host Cenk Uygur on MSNBC’s The Ed Show, August 26, 2010

            Clip from RNC ad: “Stop Obama and his union bosses today. The Republican National Committee is responsible for the content of this advertising.”
            Host Lawrence O’Donnell: “The Republican Party is saying that the President of the United States has bosses, that the union bosses this President around, the unions boss him around. Does that sound to you like they are trying to consciously or subconsciously deliver the racist message that, of course, of course a black man can’t be the real boss?”
            Ex-Governor Jennifer Granholm (D-MI): “Wow, I hadn’t thought about the racial overtones….”
            — MSNBC’s The Last Word, February 25, 2011.

            “The interesting question is: what is it about this President that has stripped away the veneer of respect that normally accompanies the office of the President? Why do Republicans think this President is unpresidential — unpresidential, and shouldn’t dare to request this kind of thing? It strikes me that it could be the economic times, it could be that he won so big in 2008, or it could be, let’s face it, the color of his skin.”
            — MSNBC political analyst and ex-Newsweek reporter Richard Wolffe talking about the brief contretemps over scheduling Obama’s speech to Congress, The Last Word, August 31, 2011.

            “I get out of all of these things that many of these [Republican] candidates would rather take legislation to build a time machine and go back in time to where we had, you know, no women voting, slavery was cool. I mean, it’s just kind of ridiculous.”
            — Daytime anchor Thomas Roberts on MSNBC Live, September 23, 2011, talking about the previous night’s GOP debate.

            “Plus, what Mitt Romney has in common with the KKK. Details on a rare Romney campaign blunder ahead….So you might not hear Mitt Romney say ‘keep America American’ anymore. That’s because it was a central theme of the KKK in the 1920s. It was a rallying cry for the group’s campaign of violence and intimidation against blacks, gays and Jews.”
            — Anchor Thomas Roberts on MSNBC Live, December 14, 2011.

            Host Chris Matthews: “How does this guy [Mitt Romney] go from hard right, severely conservative, to this new regular mainstream character he’s portraying himself as?…He ran as a full mooner, Michael. You know, he was saying ‘There’s no such thing as science.’… How can he go from Flat Earth, ‘I don’t believe in evolution,’ to all of a sudden, ‘I’m teaching biology’?… It certainly was in the Grand Wizard crowd over there, okay?”
            Former RNC Chairman Michael Steele: “Wait, I resent that! No. Come on, what is this ‘Grand Wizard’ nonsense? Are you saying that we’re Ku Klux Klan?”
            Matthews: “Okay, I’m just saying, the far-right party.”
            Steele: “Give me a break! Don’t go there with me on that.”
            — MSNBC’s Hardball, April 23, 2012.

            You notice he [Romney] says ‘anger’ twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama. The other-ization, he’s not like us. I know it’s a heavy thing to say. I don’t say it lightly. But this is niggerization, ‘You are not one of us,’ and that ‘you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.’”
            — Co-host Touré on MSNBC’s The Cycle, August 16, 2012.

            Host Martin Bashir: “Of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s forthcoming oration, can I quote something [to] you? ‘For four years, Barack Obama has been running from the nation’s problems. He hasn’t been working to earn re-election. He’s been working to earn a spot on the PGA tour.’ How about that?”
            MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell: “Well, we know exactly what he’s trying to do there….These people reach for every single possible racial double-entendre they can possibly find in every one of these speeches.”
            — MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, August 29, 2012, talking about McConnell’s speech at the Republican National Convention.

            They hate Obama. They want him out of the White House more than they want to destroy al Qaeda. Their number one enemy in the world right now, on the right, is their hatred — hatred for Obama. We can go into that about the white working class in the South, and looking at these numbers we’re getting in the last couple days about racial hatred in many cases. This isn’t about being a better president. They want to get rid of this president. That’s their number one goal and they’re willing to let Romney go to the hard center, even if it’s to the left on issues, as long as they get rid of this guy.”
            — Chris Matthews during MSNBC’s post-debate coverage, October 22, 2012

            “I look at Obama as a perfect American. I don’t mean politically. We can disagree left and right on him. You can argue about the drones. Argue about the fiscal policy, all that stuff. But as a citizen. The guy went to school, he never broke a law. He did everything right. He raised a wonderful family. He’s a good husband, a good father. My God I don’t think he’s ever gotten a speeding ticket. The guy does everything right and these right-wingers — and he’s really been pretty moderate on guns until the horror of Newtown — and I don’t know what they’re so afraid of, except that he happens to be black.”
            — Host Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball, March 6, 2013

            What does your study tell you about the nature of the racial piece here of the Tea Party?…Is it sort of a resumption of the Old South, of the way things were before the Civil War, for example? Is it like that old dreamy nostalgia you get in the old movies, Gone With the Wind? Is it that kind of America they want to bring back or what? When there were no gays, where blacks were slaves, Mexicans were in Mexico? I mean, is this what they want?”
            — Chris Matthews to author Christopher Parker on MSNBC’s Hardball, March 20, 2013

            The problem is there are people in this country — maybe 10 percent, I don’t know what the number, maybe 20 percent on a bad day — who want this President to have an asterisk next to his name in the history books, that he really wasn’t President….They can’t stand the idea that he is President, and a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn’t like somebody in another racial group. So what? It is the sense that the white race must rule. That’s what racism is. And they can’t stand the idea that a man who is not white is President.”
            — Chris Matthews appearing as a guest on MSNBC’s PoliticsNation, May 15, 2013

            “The IRS is being used in exactly the same way as they tried to use the President’s birth certificate…Despite the complete lack of any evidence linking the President to the targeting of Tea Party groups, Republicans are using it as their latest weapon in the war against the black man in the White House….This afternoon, we welcome the latest phrase in the lexicon of Republican attacks on this President — the IRS. Three letters that sound so innocent, but we know what you mean.”
            — MSNBC host Martin Bashir, June 5, 2013.

            ¦ “At least back in 1939, when Marian Anderson had to sing here, ‘My Country ‘Tis of Thee’ rather than at the Constitution Hall, because — they said the reason was she was black. At least they were honest back then….[Today] you’ve got people talking about nullification of the law of the land [ObamaCare]. You got people talking impeachment like [Senator Tom] Coburn. You got Ted Cruz out there. They never say their problem with Obama is that he’s black, but look at the pattern….At least the Daughters of the American Revolution knew what they were saying and they said it out loud: ‘He’s black, she’s black, she can’t sing here.’ These guys today use all the techniques of nullification and talking about illegitimacy and accusing the President of being a crook, basically, for even being president, because he’s here illegally. And then they talk about impeaching him on grounds they can’t even come up with. At least in the old days they were honest about it. Today, they’re not.”
            — Chris Matthews during MSNBC live coverage of the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington, August 28, 2013.

            ¦ “I want to talk today about a controversial word….A word that was originally intended as a derogatory term, meant to shame and divide and demean. The word was conceived of by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man, to render him inferior and unequal and to diminish his accomplishments…. Y’all know the word that I’m talking about: ‘ObamaCare.’”
            — Host Melissa Harris-Perry on her MSNBC show, December 8, 2013.

            Host Ed Schultz compared Tea Party activists to Nazi brownshirts and said that the Republican Party stands for racism; and accused Texas Gov. Rick Perry of referring to Obama in racial terms when he described the national debt as a “big black cloud” hanging over the heads of the American people.

            Reporter Lawrence O’Donnell accused Republican U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell of using a “racial double-entendre” when McConnell complained that Obama spends too much time golfing;

            Daytime anchor Thomas Roberts famously claimed that Republicans want to go back to a time when “slavery was cool;”

            Contributing analyst Toure – so self-important that he goes by only one name – accused Romney of participating in the “niggerization” of Obama;

            PRESS: I just think the whole thing is outrageous. I hate this apology, I think it was unnecessary and just, just played right into their hands. And, I mean, they won’t (laughs), they’re not going to let conservatives watch MSNBC, fine! You’re not even going to notice that. How many conservatives, seriously, are watching Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow, you know, or Al Sharpton every night?

            JEREMY HOLDEN OF MEDIA MATTERS: Yeah, yeah, I don’t know, but, uh, I’m just …

            PRESS: It’s silly.

            HOLDEN: I want to see how this probation looks and when it ends. (Alluding to RNC chair Reince Priebus’s response to Cheerios ad tweet). And what, you know, is there going to be a soft landing from the probation? This is kind of silly at this point.

            PRESS: It is and, you know, first of all, good for Cheerios for bringing that spot back and not bowing into the pressure and as far as this tweet goes, again, “maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everybody else will go awww: the adorable new #Cheerios ad w/ biracial family,” that’s the truth. That is the truth! The right winger, the racist right winger will hate it. Everybody else will like it. It’s a beautiful spot.


            Hunter – Daily Kos
            MSNBC bending over themselves to apologize for someone in the network thinking the American right wing was made up of people who pore over the nation’s television commercials to find companies acting Not Bigoted Enough is, and there’s no other word for it, pathetic. As are, of course, the predictable reactions from the right wing themselves. You would think that people who get so very, very, very mad whenever someone suggests that they might be bigoted simpletons would be able to go at least one weekend without proving to be exactly that, but no. Never quite works out that way.

            Ron Fournier – Twitter

            The GOP argument on Obamacare has more than a whiff of Reagan-era racial “welfare queen” politics —>


            Ron Fournier – Twitter
            In light of today’s #Obamacare column, a little background: “How and Why Romney is Playing the Race Card.”

            “There are certain elements of the party who go out of their way to demonize people who don’t look like the way they’d like them to look like or came from some other place,” Powell said. “I think
            the party has to deal with this.”

            Markos MoulitsaS

            …[T]he GOP has a problem. It can’t win national elections without getting some support from immigrant demographics—Asians and Latinos, the fastest growing in the country. Yet conservatives hate brown and different-looking people. They speak foreign languages and eat weird stuff and play strange music and vote Democratic. Those are all unforgivable sins.


            “What we had here with you and President Obama was a culture class… It was the president of most of the white guys of America, that’s you. And, Barack Obama the president of almost everybody else. And the discussion was at that level… To watch it was some ways unsettling to me… What you did was strip him of his majesty…”

            From An examiner story about congressman Cummings

            In fact, the authors of the very report cited by Cummings, Devin Burghart and Leonard Zeskind also “exposed” alleged links between “certain Tea Party factions and acknowledged racist hate groups,” for the NAACP in 2010, as reported by Jack Cashill at the American Thinker, who writes wryly that Zeskind “could find racists in each of the nine choirs of angels and feel comfortable designating at least three of those choirs as hate groups.”

            At the time, Burghart and Zeskind wrote in part that Tea Party members were

            “defending their special pale-skinned privileges and power.”


            HOWARD FINEMAN (on MSNBC): And as if that’s some kind of explanation, some kind of explanation for the weird phenomenon of the fact that the Republicans didn’t win. There was this extraterrestrial force out there of African-Americans and Hispanics.

            CHarlie Crist – ““Sadly I think another part of it was that he was a Democrat, but not just a Democrat, an African-American.””

            MSNBC interview regarding rejection of union.

            WAGNER: – nails this a little bit. And he talks about the UAW has, or the idea of organized labor and finds, y’know, great welcome in NYU and in bastions of sort of liberal, progressive thought. But then when it comes down to it, here you have workers on an assembly line in Chattanooga, Tennessee, who have turned down the option. And he makes a point that, “As many unions have discovered, generally to their woe, the politics of race and culture often eclipse those of class in the United States.” [1]

            NOAH: Right.

            WAGNER: And these sort of cultural means around unions, um, distracted from the actual economic benefits of them. [2]

            NOAH: The South has always been hostile territory for union organizing. Y’know, as Harold said, the culture war in the South trumps the class war. [1] You already have in a number of Southern states right to work laws, which means that even if they had unionized the plants, those who benefitted from the presence of that union wouldn’t have had to pay union dues if they didn’t feel like it.

            So you’re in an overwhelmingly hostile climate. And the opposition I gather, through, portrayed this as a kind of northern invasion, a refighting of the Civil War. [3] Apparently there are not a lot of, uh, black employees in this particular plant. [4] And so, that kind of, uh, uh, uh, waving of the Confederate flag was an effective strategy. [5]

            WAGNER: That would explain also the sign, “United Obama Workers,” which speaks volumes [6] in terms of the, uh, cultural differences in certain parxts of the country. Author Timothy Noah, thank you as always for your time and thoughts.

            In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent “Tea Party” movement that was then surging across the country. Many middle-class and working-class whites felt aggrieved and resentful that the federal government was helping other groups, including bankers, automakers, irresponsible people who had defaulted

            Harry reid – ““We’re not going to bow to tea party anarchists who deny
            the mere fact that Obamacare is the law. We will not bow to tea party anarchists who
            refuse to accept that the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare is constitutional,”

            Former Wash Post Editor Robert Kaiser
            “The base consists principally of white evangelical Christians who, the pollsters tell us, fear that their America is disappearing. Of course they are right; it has probably disappeared already. Their America would not have elected a black president.

            From Wash times regarding Obama appointee

            A furious Mr. Reid hinted that Republicans’ opposition was based on racism, pointing to to several other black nominees that GOP senators had opposed earlier. But in the case of Mr. Adegbile, his defense of Abu-Jamal was too much for even some Democrats


            Andrew O’Hehir

            When you think of the face of white rage in America, it belongs to a red-faced Irish dude on Fox News.

            Paul krugman NY Times

            Indeed, race is the Rosetta Stone that makes sense of many otherwise incomprehensible aspects of U.S. politics.

            We are told, for example, that conservatives are against big government and high spending. Yet even as Republican governors and state legislatures block the expansion of Medicaid, the G.O.P. angrily denounces modest cost-saving measures for Medicare. How can this contradiction be explained? Well, what do many Medicaid recipients look like – and I’m talking about the color of their skin, not the content of their character – and how does that compare with the typical Medicare beneficiary? Mystery solved.

            One odd consequence of our still-racialized politics is that conservatives are still, in effect, mobilizing against the bums on welfare even though both the bums and the welfare are long gone or never existed. Mr. Santelli’s fury was directed against mortgage relief that never actually happened. Right-wingers rage against tales of food stamp abuse that almost always turn out to be false or at least greatly exaggerated. And Mr. Ryan’s black-men-don’t-want-to-work theory of poverty is decades out of date.
            Huffington post 8 apr 2014
            There has been a long-simmering controversy about whether supporters of the Tea Party are more racially prejudiced than the average American, with some solid public opinion evidence suggesting that they are. However, well beyond the Tea Party hard core, there is evidence that race does play a role.

            Is the problem of relentless partisan animus in the Obama era one of lingering racism?
            Candy Crowley: Do you think your Republican colleagues are racist?

            DCCC Chairl Steve Israel: Not all of them, no. Of course not. But to a significant extent, the Republican base does have elements that are animated by racism.

            Pelosi : Racist GOP won’t deal with immigration.
            WAPO article entitled “Democrats are talking about race and the Republican Party an awful lot lately. Is it a smart midterm strategy?”
            The New Republic – The Right’s Racial Blinders What really explains the politics of the Obama era
            Dana Milbank – “Let’s compare Holder to Kathleen Sebelius, who has presided over Obamacare, which is the thing that has most antagonized the Right and the Republicans over all these years. You’re not seeing calls for her impeachment, you’re not seeing the same level of personal vitriol.
            I think, that’s why, again, it’s fair to ask the question, and let every individual say why it is that they have that particular antipathy toward this attorney general, toward this president, and why not, say, toward Kathleen Sebelius, who they’re obviously much more at odds with.”

            Salon: ABC News ‘Bending Over Backwards’ to Offer Laura Ingraham a Platform for ‘Vile Racism’
            WAPO article

            “Baseball great Hank Aaron is catching hell for telling the truth. Actually, the Hall of Famer is catching hell from racists because he had the temerity to point out that racism still exists. Those who think otherwise are delusional and willfully ignorant of the racial state of play in the United States.

            Aaron’s alleged offense occurred in a USA Today interview with sports reporter Bob Nightengale. Aaron explained why he still has the racist hate mail he received as he closed in on breaking Babe Ruth’s all-time home run record 40 years ago last week.”
            Hank Aaron

            “Sure, this country has a black president, but when you look at a black president, President Obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the Republicans with the way he’s treated. We have moved in the right direction, and there have been improvements, but we still have a long ways to go. The bigger difference is back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts.””

            Yahoo news article by Matt Bai
            So now it’s out there. After five years of studied reticence (unless they were talking privately to one another or their supporters), Democratic leaders in Washington finally went public last week with what they really think is motivating Republican opposition to Barack Obama. As Steve Israel, one of the top Democrats in Congress, told CNN’s Candy Crowley, the Republican base, “to a significant extent,” is “animated by racism.”
            Leonard Pitts – Indy Star

            Race plays part in how Holder, Obama are treated

          • Retired military

            Part 2 since proof of Dems calling republicans racist have outstripped the capacity of a DISCUS reply.


            Frank James NPR “Social scientists who have studied voters have found that voter participation rises when voters are emotionally engaged,” he noted. “For some voters, suggestions that some of the opposition to Obama and his policies is more than just honest disagreement – and is indeed racially based – could help do the trick.”


            Pelosi tweet – Over 50% of food stamp recipients are people of color. The GOP Budget takes food out their mouths


            Brent Terry, professor at Eastern Connecticut “If racist republicans win than colleges will start closing up”


            Jonathon Chait “”America’s unique brand of ideological anti-statism is historically inseparable…from the legacy of slavery,”


            WAPO columnist Jonathan Capehart “republicans extolled the wonders and the virtues and the beauty of slavery,”


            Dem Ill Gov Quinn “Black republicans are like Jews (who) collaborated with the Nazis during World War II, helping them to round up their own people in the hopes they’d be the last to go.”


            Ed Schultz MSNBC

            “So the president goes to the other side of the world and that’s what he gets asked about, racism. How sad is that? But you know what? When you’re the first, you always get picked on. And I have to tell you that this president, I think, is very bold, very strong, very well guided, and has a moral compass. And there’s absolutely no question about it that he has been picked on because of the color of his skin. And there’s no doubt that he has been called many names by conservative talkers in America, many names. He has been targeted, he has been obstructed. And I think that the way this president has been treated empowers jokers like this (alluding to Sterling), like, well, the government does it, we all see it. I guess we can say whatever the hell we want and act however we want. That’s my take on it. I, I, I think that this is a scab that’s been ripped off again and it’s a scab that really, undoubtedly is gonna happen again and again on America. But I believe, I pin this attitude that we have in society being inflamed by right-wing talkers who hate this president, that embolden people such as this guy to go on and act disrespectful against society.”


            Dorian Warren, Columbia professor “There’s a distinction we should make between racist words and speech, and racist practices and policies. We should be focused on the policies and the racial impact of policies that those Republican leaders frankly stand for,”


            MSNBC’s Touré “Some of these folks who own these NBA teams, and this is breaking news, Ari. Some of them are not the most savory folks. Some of them are bankrolling anti-gay marriage initiatives. Some of them got rich off of fracking. Some of them are Russian oligarchs.”


            Dem Rep. Bennie Thompson “Let’s face it, pretty much all criticism of Obama is racist”


            Eugene Robinson WAPO ” This worldview has found a home in the tea party movement, which harbors — let’s be honest — a racist strain.”


            Democratic Congressman Bennie Thompson ” Justice Thomas is an Uncle Tom” “Sen. McConnell is a racist”


            “Voting Rights Erosion Is Greater Racist Outrage” Albert Hunt Bloomber


            New York magazine Jonathan Chait, “America’s unique brand of ideological anti-statism is historically inseparable…from the legacy of slavery.”



            Dem Rep Bennie Thompson told a radio show. “That Mitch McConnell would have the audacity to tell the president of the United States … that ‘I don’t care what you come up with we’re going to be against it.’ Now if that’s not a racist statement I don’t know what is.”

            For good measure, Thompson added that Clarence Thomas “doesn’t like black people, he doesn’t like being black.”


            “I think not raising the minimum wage is a racist policy,” stated Ed Schultz


            Charlie Crist “Crist: Race Motivates GOP Opposition to Obama”


            Speaker at Democrat sponsored White Privilege Conference

            “The longer you are in the Tea Party, the more racist you become.”



            New York Times columnist Bob Herbert “Republicans are hostile to the interests of African-Americans” a


            Ta-Nehisi Coates, “Racism–and sexism and homophobia–are about organizing power, not merely disliking the cut of one’s jib. And if Hillary Clinton becomes president, she will have to cope with being perceived as a woman representing the interests of black people and women of all ethnicities. Sexism will never be off the stage. Nor will racism.”

            the Atlantic


            NPR :

            For some Democrats, the explanation is simple: race. In recent weeks, West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson and former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist have all said racism is the driving force behind Republican resistance to the president.

            Republicans, unsurprisingly, say their disdain for Obama is based not on the color of his skin, but on the content of his policies.

            “If any white Democrat had pushed through a billion-dollar stimulus plan and a takeover of the health care industry, he would have been equally detested by conservatives and Republicans,” says Whit Ayres, a GOP pollster and consultant.

            There’s no question we’re living in a time of divisive politics, when roughly half the country is likely to hate the president, no matter whom he or she might be.

            But race has been a factor in American politics since the very beginning. It’s certainly part of the mix in terms of responses to Obama.

            His status as the nation’s first African-American president exacerbates the concerns of those who feel the country is changing rapidly in ways that are not always comfortable.


            Josh Marshall – “For years, we’ve had a running conversation about how much or whether the often vitriolic, seemingly gut level opposition to President Obama as opposed to simple partisanship, opposition to policies and more. It’s a tangled question since supporters and opponents each bring preconceptions and commitments to it. And it’s a question that is inherently over-determined since the same people who might bear a racial animus toward the President probably also oppose him intensely purely on policy grounds.

            … To whatever extent opposition to President Obama is racial, it’s not only because he’s black himself, it’s because he’s the leader of the party that is the institutional representative of black people. Indeed, in a way that wasn’t nearly so clear 22 years ago, the Democratic Party now disproportionately represents African-Americans, Hispanics, East Asians and South Asians. It’s the most visible force in American political life that stands for an America that looks a lot more like the current Democratic Party than the current Republican Party


            Krystal Ball

            “And a necessary part of this delusion is the belief that young people, city dwellers and minorities aren’t part of real America so they don’t count or at least they shouldn’t count. Which is where disenfranchising voting laws come in. Unfortunately for conservatives, our votes still count the same as everyone else.”


            Chris Matthews on GA senate race “the GOP primary will likely head to a runoff and “the reason they have these runoffs is to make sure no black guy ever won a nomination down there.””


            “I think it’s very important to take a long view at what’s going on,” Rockefeller said. “I’ll be able to dig up some emails that make part of the Affordable Care Act that doesn’t look good-especially from people who made up their mind that they don’t want it to work because they don’t like the president. Maybe he’s of the wrong color, something of that sort. I’ve seen a lot of that and I know a lot of that to be true.


            Rep CLyburn (dem representative) Benghazi Committee to Racist Democrats During Reconstruction Benghazi Committee to Racist Democrats During Reconstruction – “Bhenghazi committee is like racists during reconstruction”


            LA Weekly cover cartoon shows Tea Party republican as a Klansman.

            Editor-in-chief Sarah Fenske explained the L.A. Weekly’s cover art to Breitbart News on Sunday.

            “The goal with any cover is to get people to pick up the paper and read the journalism within. They’re not a literal illustration of the story inside (otherwise you might have seen a very dull caricature of Kashkari and an equally bland one of Donnelly),” she said.

            Fenske allows that the goal of the cover was to mock the GOP: “Our creative director, Darrick Rainey, worked with the illustrator to incorporate some funny images of constituencies who might want to shape the future of a party that’s fallen on very hard times in California: fat-cat bankers, Minutemen, Tea Party activists, etc.”

            She told Breitbart News that the choice of a KKK figure was inspired by a claim by David Duke in 2011 that Tea Party activists had urged him to run for president. “David Duke claimed some activists urged him to run for president in 2012; it’s not inconceivable his ilk might want to be among them.”

            She provided no actual proof of Tea Party support for the KKK–an organization closely connected, historically, with the Democratic Party.


            Andrea Mitchell “is the rise in extremism due to an African American President?”


            Howard Dean

            The Last Word

            June 16, 2014


            “First of all, not only do they (the Tea Party) not have any solutions, there is no solution that will satisfy the Tea Party people except going back to the ’60s. I’m talking about the 1860s, not the 1960s.”


            Daily Beast writer Christopher Dickey

            “Lee’s nobility and charisma, and the carnage that he commanded, gave cover to all those incendiary Southern politicians who did not, in fact, feel ambivalent about slavery. These “fire-eaters,” as they were called, not only wanted to perpetuate their peculiar institution, they wanted to reopen the slave trade with Africa…

            The fire-eaters were a minority then, as the Tea Partiers (their spiritual descendants) are today, but like today’s Tea Party they promoted extremist agendas and pounded down on wedge issues that sundered the nation and very nearly destroyed it.”

            “These basic facts about a moment of history that Obama obviously

            holds dear are worth going over again right

            now because, in fact, the secessionists of 1860

            are the ideological forebears of the Tea Party

            movement today. No, the United States is not on

            the verge of another violent breakup, not close

            at all, even if Tea Party icons like Gov. Rick

            Perry in Texas or some of Sarah Palin’s friends

            and relatives in Alaska may toy with the notion

            of secession. But there is in American politics

            today a discourse of such cupidity, bigotry,

            and self-delusion about the role of government

            that it would have been familiar to anyone

            following the rhetoric of the Southern

            “fire-eaters” pushing the country toward a

            conflagration 150 years ago.”


            Huffington post article titled

            Charlie Rangel Suggests Republican Opposition To Obama Is Rooted In Racism


            MSNBC Joy Reid

            ” Voter ID is a Racist Plot to restrict African-American Voters”



            Chris Matthews: “Tea Party In Miss. used

            ‘Jim Crow-Era Law’ to Intimidate Black Voters”


            CBS news article

            A Fourth of July parade float in Nebraska that showed a dummy standing outside an outhouse labeled “Obama Presidential Library” is drawing cries of racism from local residents and the Nebraska Democratic Party


            Alex Wagner MSNBC Host “are Voter ID laws the new “Jim Crow”


            Yahoo article from Liberal Obama supporting author entitled “n word in the white house”


            If the headline wasn’t strange and shocking enough, the New York Post reports that the op-ed is actually a pro-Obama piece, in which Collier argues that, “far right voters hate Obama because he is black.”


            Berkley law professor John A. Powell

            ” The point is we had levees breaking and thousands of black people were stranded.

            So it was a racialized system because it distributed resources – it was designed to racialize anxiety.

            They took money away from protecting the levees because the levees were protecting Black people.”


            Eric Holder

            “administration’s political opponents.




            “There’s a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, that’s directed at me [and] directed at the president,” Holder told ABC. “You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There’s a certain racial component to this for some people. I don’t think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some there’s a racial animus.”


            Eric Holder

            “Is it possible to oppose Obama and not be a racist?”


            Juan WIlliams

            You listen to Michael and you understand why lots of Republicans think [Obama’s] a demon,” Williams said. “Lots of people in the minority community see it as an attack against the first black President. They think it’s unfair, and so it’s gonna spur their turnout in the midterms, which is going to be critical in several races.”

            “If you just break it down as a matter of political analysis and say who is this group [calling for impeachment], it reminds me that the Republican Party has become almost a completely white party,” Williams continued. “The people who want him impeached are all white, they’re all older, and guess what — they’re all in the far right wing of the Republican Party.”



            “Ten years ago, Barack Obama came upon the American public as a breath of fresh air. He spoke in ways that awakened our hopes, broke through the clouds of cheap politics and stormy rhetoric….But how many other Americans saw a different reckoning, when confronted with that name, ‘Barack Obama,’ right there on the ballot in front of them – how many saw that name and that face and that man with dread?…Check the numbers: 57 percent of the Republican Party wants this man run out of office and thrown to the curb. They can’t come up with a reason he deserves impeachment, but that’s not their fault. Not really. You see, they never went looking for a reason. They never needed one. It was not what he did. It was from the outset who he was.”

            – MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on the July 28 edition of Hardball, recalling the 10th anniversary of Obama delivering the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention.


  • Commander_Chico

    Here’s a higher res picture of me, Rodnick.

  • JWH

    I think that doll is trying to eat my soul.

  • Commander_Chico

    I don’t get the gleeful gloating over some weak-ass allegation that Bush was incompetent rather than being incompetant and a damn liar.

    • Ha, ha! You insufferable liar.

    • Retired military

      Even if Bush was everything you claimed he is still 100X the man Obama will ever be.

      • Commander_Chico

        Get on your knees to him. Rich kid and a drunk who got where he was because of daddy. Fucked up royally as president.

        • Quoth the Damn Liar.

        • Retired military

          Sorry I don’t get on my knees for any human. You however have to be on your knees because you head is shoved so far up Obama’s ass that you cant even stand up.

        • Jwb10001

          Yeah and that Obama guy he’s a real accomplished dude, smoked dope endlessly, never had a job, hung out with radicals and communist, learned at the knee of domestic terrorist and went to church in a racist church, and is fucking up royally as president. That Obama he’s no Bush that’s for sure.