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Democrats, "Vote For Us, We're Stupid"

The Dems really need to work on their message. For years they've been saying that wiley President Bush tricked them on Iraq, now their claiming stupidity again:

Democrat charges U.S. justices "duped" Senate

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts and Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito "duped" the U.S. Senate into confirming them, a top Democratic lawmaker charged on Friday, days after a key Republican questioned if they had lived up to their promises.

Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, a member of the Judiciary Committee that held hearings on the two, said they staked out moderate positions in congressional testimony but became part of a conservative bloc that issued restrictive rulings on issues from free speech to civil rights.

Schumer, in a speech to the American Constitution Society, talked about the confirmation of Roberts and Alito in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

"Were we duped?" he asked.

"Were we too easily impressed by the charm of nominee Roberts and the erudition of nominee Alito?" Schumer asked. "Did we mistakenly vote our hopes when our fears were more than justified by the ultraconservative records of these two men?"

"Yes," he said.

The Democrat Party's new motto, "Vote for us, we get fooled easily."

UPDATE: Marc destroys Schumer in the second comment by -you know- looking at their voting record... Take down of the day.


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Comments (39)

So when the Democrats win, ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

So when the Democrats win, does that mean Americans are stupid?

Schumer is such a total ign... (Below threshold)
marc:

Schumer is such a total ignoramus.

And of course the feckless reporter (al-Reuters, if figures) who transcribed Schumers bit on nonesense never asked "The Good" Senator how he was "duped" when the asshat voted NAY on Roberts confirmation and voted NAY on Alito's confirmation.

Maybe Schumer doesn't mean "duped," he means "non-buyers remorse."

On the other hand Schumer may just be a complete ASSHAT and poster child for a two-term limit on ALL Congress critters.

I was thinkin', almost as c... (Below threshold)
marc:

I was thinkin', almost as comical as Schumer appears to be.... it could only be surpassed if Lee "The Thief" Ward seagulls his way through here and attempts to spin this away.

It would be pure comedic gold.

Oh, and barneyG, Brain, freedomfries and bryanD you're more than welcome to try also.

Nothing starts a Sunday morning better than a good belly laugh.

I was disgusted at Spector ... (Below threshold)
kim:

I was disgusted at Spector several days ago, but now believe he was working to pre-empt Schumer on this issue. If he can show the process was legit last time, as it was, Schumer can't get so noisome with the next nominees, and believe me, that's what this is about.
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Schumer seems to have this ... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Schumer seems to have this need/tendency to try to come off as an intellectual, but, virtually every time, he achieves the exact opposite effect.

Who is the more dangerous Sen from NY??

They are both bad people, s... (Below threshold)
kim:

They are both bad people, secret tyrants.
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New York state is really an... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

New York state is really an anamoly. The senators only have to convince the majority of the electorate in New York City to vote for them, then they are in. This is a case of the city running the state. ww

"So when the Democrats win,... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

"So when the Democrats win, does that mean Americans are stupid?"

More accurately Americans are being stupid.

It is the judgement of hist... (Below threshold)
kim:

It is the judgement of history that FDR erred in trying to pack the Supreme Court. I think Schumer is making a political mistake with this tack. It will satisfy the nutroots, and enrage everyone else. We'll hear more of the silent majority.
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Gosh, sure hope their plan ... (Below threshold)

Gosh, sure hope their plan of talking with the tyrants of the world won't have the same effect. "We were duped!"

The donkeys are really making sure they become the 21st century's Arthur Neville Chamberlains...

While I can see the truth i... (Below threshold)
Burt:

While I can see the truth in the new slogan of "Vote for us, We're Stupid", I still think I prefer their old standby phrase of "New Direction" (Nude Erection?). Let's face it, You cannot properly rape the American People without a nude erection. Although,, I am a little sceptical when Hillary claims to have one.

lol, Burt!I can't ... (Below threshold)

lol, Burt!

I can't help but be reminded of the Cox & Forkum cartoon that came out after (or was it during) Alito's confirmation hearings. I still laugh every time I look at it.

Kennedy was a complete buffoon throughout the entire confirmation process.

I know some about Alito, but I know a lot more about Roberts and Roberts is a strict constitutionalist. A while back I heard lefties on this site and others complain about his findings, but they couldn't aptly argue that his findings were unconstitutional. What they really want is someone to use their feelings when coming to decisions, and interpret the Constitution subject to those feelings. Then the same people scream bloody murder that Bush is butchering the Constitution. A whole bunch of little-Harry-Reids.

Diane Feinstein was a prime example of that mindset throughout the Roberts hearings. Aside from the fact that her preoccupation with death and dying was creepy (that woman gives me the heebie-jeebies), her line of questioning was worded to elicit from Roberts an answer that would indicate he would use his feelings (she kept calling it "compassion") to interpret the Constitution in matters pertaining to abortion and the right-to-die. But because he wouldn't give her any indication how he would vote on such matters, as if he should have, she entered her "nay".

There is more intellegence ... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

There is more intellegence in the four legged donkey then there is in thre two legged kind the demacrats are plain rediculous

Schumer's just offering a n... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Schumer's just offering a new spin on the Democrat's main message: "We're all VICTIMS!"

The Dems have nurtured their Victim Constituency" for years. Pandering and promising...and delivering just enough handouts to keep those victims dependant on them. And what better way to identify with their slavish followers?

I know it's just a rumor, b... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

I know it's just a rumor, but I heard that Schumer actually once killed someone when he ran them over trying to get in front of a TV camera.

marc that was priceless (I ... (Below threshold)
Paul:

marc that was priceless (I updated the post) and Oyster, thanks for that C&F link I almost cried I laughed so hard.

Which is it? Stupid, or cra... (Below threshold)
Semanticleo:

Which is it? Stupid, or craven?

You be the judge.........
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2136686,00.html

George--'"Dear friend, what is going on?"

Prince--"My people have nothing to do with it.."

George--"UHH, OK. Now what was it you need?"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/18457.html


PURE GENIUS-----

Believe it or not, Leo, I a... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Believe it or not, Leo, I agree that the Bush administration has made several errors in the war on terror.

However, there were also multiple mistakes made during every previous war. The Battle of the Bulge from WWII is my favorite example.

Just because errors were made does not mean you throw up your hands and declare the entire project a failure. Edison tried over 100 things before he found a way to make a light bulb work. Dr. Seuss went to over 25 publishers before someone would publish his first book (and it wasn't The Cat in the Hat).

Great people do not give up after or making a mistake. They learn from it and keep trying.

Seems there are no such people on the left any more.

"Great people do not give u... (Below threshold)
Semanticleo:

"Great people do not give up after or making a mistake"

I appreciate the olive branch, but please tell me you aren't comparing Edison to Bush. Before he succeeded with the tungsten filament, did he try
99 other substances, or the same substance 99 times?

>did he try 99 other substa... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>did he try 99 other substances, or the same substance 99 times?

OK so Bush made some mistakes in the war on terror...

But how many terrorists attacks have we had in the U.S. since 9/12? -- Can't be all bad.

(continued, sorry)... (Below threshold)
Paul:

(continued, sorry)

Call me a bidness man, but at the end of the day I'm far more interested in the results than the method.

Leo, Bush has tried many di... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Leo, Bush has tried many different strategies in Iraq, as well. Here are just a few of them:

* The initial invasion and takeover was under its own strategy.

* Reconstruction strategy under General Jay Gardner, later replaced by Paul Bremer.

* May 2004, a five-stage plan

* November 2005, "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq."

* January 2006, a proposal to improve the Iraqi police force.

* June 2006, Operation Together Forward, aimed at increasing security in key areas.

* August 2006, troops redeployed from Mosul to Baghdad.

* January 2007, Gen. Petraeus' strategy, dubbed "the surge" (though the troop surge is but the first stage of this strategy) is deployed.

Of course, one must also remember that the laws of physics don't change... tungsten always acts like tungsten. But in war, the enemy also changes strategies, so one must change with them.

Off topic, but Edison wasn'... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Off topic, but Edison wasn't a genius. He was good at PR, and handsome. He didn't make very good use of the scientific method, but used a scattershot approach. Tesla, an actual genius, was bullied and belittled by Edison, who treated him like shit. Edison was a lucky bully, and is seriously overrated.

I'm sorry, I didn't say wha... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

I'm sorry, I didn't say what you hallucinated I said, Matt.

I was merely using Edison--and, lest we forget, Theodore Seuss Geisel, a/k/a Dr. Seuss--as examples of not giving up when things don't turn out right.

Your anti-Edison screed does not change that point. It's irrelevant, immaterial, frankly rather immature, and seems to be the rantings of a troll.

I didn't say that you said ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

I didn't say that you said he was a genius. Read the first two words of what I wrote. I just happen to have a deep distaste for Edison, and hate it when people lionize the man. If you took me as attempting to make a substantive point, that's your mistake. I wouldn't bother to try and persuade someone with your convictions that George Bush oughtn't be compared to someone (incorrectly) perceived to be a genius; and that the war in Iraq is so dissimilar from WW II as to make your Battle of the Bulge analogy unhelpful for your own purposes.

As for whatever a troll is, if you must get your jollies by insulting people on the internet, you do what you gotta do, friend.

Paul, that is what I say ab... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul, that is what I say about GW Bush. Other presidents all a precendent and protocol to follow at the beginning of a way. The military trained from past wars. GW Bush had to SET the protocol. Everyone around him had to "shoot from the hip" with every scenario that presented itself. That is why I give him a very high grade for his presidency. He did not have a cake walk by any imagination, no matter how the left wants to spin it. We have enemies in our country and other countries. We had to capitulate or fight for our rights as we know them. The left tries to get us to Monday morning quarterback, which is the easiest thing to do, but put yourself in the pocket at the time and it is very different. Except for the immigration issue,(which I still can't figure out what the hell was going on there) I am a devout supporter of GW and our troops. They have their eye on the ball. The left is playing games. ww

Not even a nice try at spin... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Not even a nice try at spin, Matt.

You wanted to get in a shot at Edison and a shot at Bush at the same time.

Neither is relevant to the point I was making.

Go back to DU, they specialize in your kind of trollery.

Uh, weren't we talking abou... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

Uh, weren't we talking about Schumer? lol

Bush has tried many diff... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Bush has tried many different strategies in Iraq, as well. Here are just a few of them:

So let's see... Bush has tried no less than eight different strategies in Iraq. For each one, those who said it wouldn't work were criticized, insulted, and ignored. When it turned out the critics were right, Bush fired the generals and changed strategy. You concede all this.

So the question to those who followed Bush is, were you duped or are you just stupid?

(Of course, question two is, who should you rely on for the next plan: those who were wrong no less than eight times, or those who were right at least eight times?)

Brian, have you perhaps con... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Brian, have you perhaps considered that the other side is changing their strategies to meet ours?

Of course not, you know not the first thing about war, because you disdain the words of those who have fought and are fighting.

I, on the other hand, listen to the warriors. And the first rule of warfare is, "no plan survives contact with the enemy."

Our strategy adapts because they adapt. It's that simple.

By the way, look up sometime how many strategies we had in WWII and the post-war reconstruction period.

So the current conflict in ... (Below threshold)

So the current conflict in Iraq has... what, exactly, to do with the appointment of Supreme Court Justices?

Oh.

Right.

Nothing.

Not a damned thing.

Yet another instance of a liberal incessantly attempting to employ the standard distraction tactic of pointing out the supposed flaws of those who are pointing out the obvious flaws in the liberals. Was there not a post here on Wizbang about this kind of stupidity not too long back...?

Carbon, cleo, carbon.... (Below threshold)
kim:

Carbon, cleo, carbon.

Matt, his brain was wired funny. He only napped.
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Brian, have you perhaps ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian, have you perhaps considered that the other side is changing their strategies to meet ours?

Are you suggesting that I'm an opponent of changing strategy? One thing the Dems have been telling Bush from day one was that his strategy was flawed. His response has consistently been that he will not change strategy and we must "stay the course". Those who argued a change in strategy were criticized, ridiculed, and called traitors. And when Bush was ultimately forced to recognize that whatever plan of the day he had in place had failed, he fired the generals, came up with a new plan, equally flawed, and claimed he would not change. Orate. Fail. Repeat.

And now, years later, you and the Republicans are proud to showcase just how many plans you've tried and failed with, acting as if repeatedly changing plans was your great accomplishment. Meanwhile, you still have nothing but disdain for those who criticized the "five-stage plan" or the "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq". In other words, those who were right.

I, on the other hand, listen to the warriors.

You mean like Generals Casey and Abaziad? Are you listening to them?

Our strategy adapts because they adapt. It's that simple.

Violence in Iraq remains high. US casualties are at an all-time high. AQ is as strong as it's been since 9/11. Islamist militantism is on the rise. The standing of the US in the world is the lowest it's been in years. Iran is stronger than ever.

So just how well is our strategy adapting?

It seems that the greatest achievement Republicans are touting these days is that we haven't had terrorism on US soil during a period of time that is less than the period between the two WTC attacks. Well, we haven't had any attacks by felonious unicorns, either. I bet that also is due to Bush's wonderfully adapting strategies.

Damn! Just think if we had ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Damn! Just think if we had asked brian-less what plan to use at the start we would be home free by now--free of our head.

Brian, I am listening to th... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Brian, I am listening to the General who is currently on the ground in Iraq: General (that's four stars) David Petraeus.

However, if you'd like a second opinion, might I recommend listening to retired Lieutenant General (that's three stars) John Keane.

Of course, you won't like what he says, Brian, so I expect you to ignore him.

What I have done is, in my first visit in February since the operation began, I went into neighborhoods in Baghdad and then returned 90 days later to make a comparison. And I will do the same in August.

And remember, flashback to '06. What happened is the al Qaeda and Sunni insurgents provoked a predictable response from the Shia militia by the Samarra mosque bombing and the assassination plots killing Shias. There was an overpowering response from the Shia militia into the Sunni neighborhoods where hundreds and then thousands of Sunnis and Shia were killed as the result of that. The city was in flames. No schools were operating, no government services were being provided. Marketplaces were shut down and people were shut into their homes, afraid to go out on the street. And this lasted through most of '06 and it was at its height in the summer.

Despite two military operations that the United States led, Together Forward One and Together Forward Two, we were not able to stop the level of violence. And then a counter offensive began in earnest in February and finally culminated with all forces in play in June. And what you see is a stark contrast to '06 in those neighborhoods.

Because all the schools are open. The markets are teaming with people. Some operating at full capacity; some not quite there because of the level of violence in their neighborhood and some of the construction that was being done, but nonetheless a steady improvement. Government services are being administrated in the neighborhoods and again some of that is uneven because of the nature of the government of itself, but nonetheless there is an attempt to provide essential services to the population where in '06 there were none.

And so those atmospherics are real, and I have spoken to hundreds of Iraqis in those neighborhoods and almost to a person they believe the security situation is improving. They want Americans to stay with the Iraqis to help protect them, and in the neighborhoods where the violence took place in '06. They almost tremble at the thought of that '06 violence. You can hear it in their voices when they talk about what that meant to them and their children.

But, hey, what would those Iraqis living on those neighborhoods know. We all know that lefties thousands of miles away know better than the Iraqis living right there what is going on.

Brian 9:24US casu... (Below threshold)
Uncle Pinky:

Brian 9:24
US casualties are at an all-time high.

Yes, they are. Tragic, but the nature of conflict. Do you expect them to suddenly reverse course if we simply pull out? Oddly enough all time highs continue to grow as long as the enterprise is continued. If we pull out tomorrow, do you think the dead will come back to life? This isn't the stock market, lad. Dead is pretty much dead forever. Now if you were to talk about casualty rates...

Edison was a genius, but mostly a genius at marketing and research and hiring, at least in his sunset years.

Tesla was a madman who's ideas appear now to us as genius.

Westinghouse never gets enough credit.

As for Schumer, marc at #2 has nailed the habitual ass-flasher, and I hope some MSMers picks up on his good work.

In case they do not; A shot and a stein hoist to marc, for doing the work that the overprivelged with over-inflated egos won't do.

Back some years ago CHUCKY ... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Back some years ago CHUCKY SCHUMER was whinning about the prices of cereals here is one flake complaining about the prices of others

Westinghouse never... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Westinghouse never gets enough credit.

Ya got that one right. And Edison could, at times, be a class-a jerk... as in his argument with Westinghouse about AC vs. DC current for home use.

Nikolai Tesla invented much... (Below threshold)

Nikolai Tesla invented much of what the popular ascribes to Edison.




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