If the Dems want to kill her then by golly, I’ll make sure everyone that reads Wizbang knows. I’m now going to live-blogging the Democratic party of the United States trying to kill a sick woman.
This goofball woman said (paraphrased): “Where will it end.. Next week people will want their brother or their sister to be kept alive.” -The nerve
Barney Franks and taken to the floor multiple times to make sure Terri Schiavo was killed. He really is passionate about it…
David Wu (D) Oregon somehow made it a gay rights issue???? [Maybe that explains Franks’ passion -ed]
Jim Davis (D) Florida Says it is a civil rights issue… hmmmm Who exactly is about to have their civil rights violated? Her husband? It is scary how clueless this guy is. — Now is is outright lying. He says (strongly implies) Terri said in her living will that she wanted to die. Shameless.
Rush Holt (D) New Jersey: “By the way… Why are debating this case, i don;t want to be too cynical but could it be because the TV cameras are rolling?” — No you moronic twit, we are arguing the case because you idiots want to kill this woman. I WANT the cameras rolling… That’s why I’m live blogging. I want the WHOLE WORLD to know what you did tonight you shameless idiot. Do you have something to hide?
Barney Franks REALLY wants to kill this woman… He keeps yielding himself more time. Do you think he would give her the lethal injection?
Jim Mooran (D) Virginia is talking about people on life support… This is not a life support issue… They want to stop feeding her and starve her to death. Now he is rambling about tax cuts for the rich… What an idiot.
Bitch Slap of the night— No pun intended– Barney Franks gets up and whines that one of the Republicans was playing doctor on TV. Said Republican, Phil Gingrey of Georgia, got back up to say that he didn’t know if he was on TV or not… But that he was not “playing doctor” because he indeed was one. Franks was a tad deflated.
Eleanor Holmes Norton (d) DC Wants Terri dead… I wonder if Terri was a convicted drug dealer who killed 3 people which side of the argument she would be on.
Oh GAWD Here is Barney Franks again… Just his whining is enough to make me take the other side.
I’ve got to give it to the Dems… they are making the case that the entire republic will crumble if this woman is not killed. When they go all out, they go all out.
(blogosphere diversion) Bill at the Rooftop report (see trackback) says that killing a sick woman is OK if you “nuance” the debate… Now there’s a position I’m sure more people will get behind.
Rep. John Lewis Democrat from Georgia said he wants Terri dead… or I think that is what he said, I couldn’t understand a word the man said. Either he wants Terri dead or he wants us all to be saved and him him an AMEN….
OK I don’t have time to do all the pictures… I’m going to try to spend more time on the goofy things they say.
Brian Baird (D) Washington — Interesting argument… Since she will never be 100% we should just kill her… He claims he wants to take the partisanship out of it… Somehow he’s not convincing. OH! I get it… He is apologizing for the Dems “We are all Pro-life” He must not read the papers.
No Dems embarrassment would be complete without Jerrold Nadler waddling up to the camera. All we are missing now is Wexler… I tuned in late, I probably missed him.
How come the Dems don’t want to give this woman a day in Federal court? goodness knows they are always whining that criminals should get every appeal but Terri should not? hmmmm
Best argument of the night Rep Joe Schwarz (R-MI) made a stunningly powerful argument. He reminded the House that this woman was not on life support. That she could breath et al on her own. That the only thing that they were doing was feeding her… Then he asked the 64 million dollar question… What is to become of all the thousands of people on feeding tubes in the nursing homes and hospitals in this county?… Are we going to kill them all?
grrr I might have missed something, both tuners on the Tivo went to record things and I missed some.
John Conyers (D) Mars, is doing his usual job of reciting Dem talking points… no matter now bogus they are… Again and again the Dems hint that she is is on life support.
Rep Capuano from Mass. is making a stunningly passionate speech about the how the government should “LEAFVE THESE PEOPLE” alone. “STAY OUT OF THIER LIVES.” hmm so I guess he is for private social security accounts huh?
Rep- Mel Watt (D) Scumbagonia- “This vote is costing us money”…. “How many children could we feed with that money?” Then why did the Dems call it then dipshit? OOOOOH Now get this… This is a racial issue. Black people don’t get the same healthcare that white people get so Terri Schiavo does not deserve compassion. What a pig! What a FREAKing (insert harsher word here) pig. I guess Oliver Willis will sent the guy 20 bucks but he is a pig. Where can I get a transcript of this pig?
Quote of the night Sensenbrener “In Florida they have a statute #828.12 that says that if you don’t feed an animal, you can go to jail for a year and be fined 5000 dollars. So in Florida, an animal has a higher right than this woman. And that is a wrong priority.” — I just made that point 2 minutes ago to Allah in the comments
How did Julia Carson of Indiana run a campaign??? The woman is about 100 years old, she can hardly walk, and she can hardly talk… But she did manage to whine about Medicaid… For some reason in her mind since she is unhappy about the state of Medicaid, Terry Schiavo should die. OOOOOK.
For about the 100th time, a Dem has said we are a land of laws and not men…. Yeah, tell that to Clinton when he committed perjury.
Getting ready for the vote. Dems demand a roll call… Dumbasses, then their fingerprints will be on this… They are so politically tone-deaf it is amazing.
Republicans have a quorum and (surprise) it is passing.
It passed by a mile!
Darleen –
Good god, my office PROSECUTES people who starve animals to death…
I don’t know why your office should do that any longer. After all, death by starvation/dehydration is “peaceful,” “gentle,” “dignified,” and causes “little discomfort:”
N.Y. Times: Starvation Death Not Painful (Newsmax)
Thanks for giving us the green light to go ahead and starve unwanted animals to death, Dems. *thumbs up*
Oh..and Once
I would be devestated and probably bitter for a time if I was incapacitated by stroke or injury
But if I’m not on life support (which does NOT include food and water) I don’t care if my “quality of life” is down 75%, I want to be around.
Anyone think it was a picnic for Christopher Reed to decide to go on living? or Steven Hawking?
Bill you say:
“Bush created a law in Texas that states feeding tubes MUST be removed from people in the same condition if they don’t have the means to pay for it.”
That is simply an untruth. I know that is what Oliver Willis told you to say but it is not true. Get a clue.
Well, thanks to the Dems… the inevitable has been delayed. and for what purpose? certainly it didn’t have anything other than a POLITICAL MOTIVE…
The republicans and the dems had agreed to a voice vote, which would’ve removed from the public record who voted in which way… but still protect the life. but the Dems saw this as a political oppty and forced a full vote.
They decided that they’d want to starve her for an additional 12 hours just to make that political point. How callous… Perhaps they were hoping that she’d collapse and die within that time period.
In some regards it is “life support” it my not be a breathing tube, but she is unable to feed herself, thus they are “supporting” her life.
My understanding of “life support” is that should it be ceased on someone who is sustaining life because of such assistance, their bodies also fight to stay alive. That it is more over a auto response of the nerve system.
As to your statement about a severly handicapped child, my son lives with Autism, don’t you feel like an ass.
I do not view Terri as lesser then us, but if it was her wishes then let it be carried out.
Allah
As I understand it didn’t the FL legislature try to address this issue and got shot down by the FL Supreme Court?
This isn’t just about Michael’s “right” but about Terri not receiving even the minimal accepted medical testing to determine PVS.
Jaysus on a Pony … if a rapist has been sitting in prison for 15 years and 5 years ago new DNA testing unknown at the time of his conviction is now in play, ya think anyone would STAND for the trial judge denying a testing of the evidence that could exonerate the rapist because the judge didn’t want to chance the conviction overturned??
Give Terri the MRI and PET. It is the Minimal standard in trying to determine PVS (which in 1996 the British Medical Journal had a study that showed a 43% error rate in diagnosis of PVS)
Once – No one knows what her wishes were… As Wizbang’s Paul highlighted in an earlier post, it requires Clear and Convincing Evidence of that person’s wishes in order to remove life support. Currently, the only evidence is the recollection of her husband (who would be considered to have a common law wife if he lived in any other state) and that recollection has changed throughout the years. The dems are talking about the rights of the family in making this decision… .but in my mind, Terri’s Mom & Dad are more her family than Michael, as Michael hasn’t been involved in her life (other than trying to kill her) since she was injured. He has another family which he should be responsible for.. he should turn over custody to her parents, who are willing and able to support her.
St Wendeler
Another Rovian Conspiracy
Once
No, I’m surprised YOU don’t feel like an ass because you want to decide for an unrelated human being just what is “quality of life” and what is not. I’m surprised, if you truly do have an autistic child, that you don’t understand Terri’s parents willingness to care for her.
I wasn’t going to mention this but I’m really ticked… my husband’s late uncle was one of those extraordinary and blessed people who, along with his wife, took in, adopted, loved and cared for profoundly disabled children…both physically and mentally disabled.
Just the kind of people Felos and Cranford believe should not have Constitutional rights and should be denied basic food and water.
So WHAT if Terri can’t feed herself at this point. Neither can a severely disabled child.
WE DON’T STARVE THAT CHILD TO DEATH just because they are “lesser” than.
Not surprised Paul, that you did not provide any evidence to refute Oliver.
“>http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/healthlawprof_blog/2005/03/lifesupport_sto.html”> A Health Law blog details the two stories today in Texas newspapers of Bush’s Futile Life Law in practice.
Hey Clive
Not a damned thing about Section 166 mandating death to patients that can’t pay.
Read it and find it, bucko.
Darleen…any comments on the Texas cases?
On that I agree. She should be given over to her parents. Yet someone deemed it possible for Micheal to still have power of attorney over her.
Where have the discussions broken down between him and her family? My stance on letting someone go if that is what they have expressed still stands.
The facts on whether this is true or not remain between Terri and Micheal. His motive? money? This is alot to put yourself out their for money. Following through with Terri’s wishes is a conviction, it would seem.
Darlene/Anne Coulter, your responses and tyrad’s only deminish your efforts. Walk a day in my shoes and then maybe you can discuss Autism with me. Your wrong to ASSume that people in here or out there don’t know first hand about fighting for their loved one or having to make a extremely difficult choice.
Uh, never said it was in support of Oliver’s or Bill’s claim, Darlene! That was you jumping to hysterical conclusions, babycakes!
Certainly makes Bush look hypocritical, yes?
Clive, you look like the Cheshire Cat right now!
RE: Bad TX bill
NO….this bill was not the bill then Governor Bush wanted enacted. However, it went further to protect life than the exisisting hospital policies and was what he could get with a Democratic TX Congress.
Always comes down to Bush-bashing, doesn’t it?
The cases are tragic and from what I read, the Texas law was passed with input from the Right-to-Life group in an effort to put into place a review procedure to resolve DISPUTES between medical practioners and families. Nothing in the 1999 law which only applied to adults (revised in 2003 to include pediatric patients…. hmmm..I wonder if some people will note that date) mandates death to patients that cannot pay. Indeed, at anytime a family can remove the patient to other medical facilities willing to accept the patient.
I’d wager that Terri’s parents wish they lived in Texas right now. Cranford’s inadequate diagnosis would have been overturned by peer review in a NY minute.
Sometimes when bushes get covered with crud you need to shake’m up and bash’m around a little to clean them up.
Clive, you’re only posting what has been discussed before. And they say the republicans are doing this for politcal purposes! Ha!
Clive posts at 10:21 pm
By now most people who read liberal blogs are aware that George W. Bush signed a law in Texas that expressly gave hospitals the right to remove life support if the patient could not pay …
Again, Clive, where in section 166 does it say that?
Once upon
Hey, you ASSume you know what shoes I walk in, so sister, hold your tyrads (sic).
meshugga
There are some opportunities to just be proud to be an American, and a lonely republican out here on in the deepest heart of the left coast.
It would have been so easy for the President and the Congress to just let this one pass. The “court”, in the person of this tin-pot judge, had, after all, spoken. Politics would dictate that they let it go, and create a campaign issue on the martyrdom of Terri Schiavo as an example of judges gone wild.
But they didn’t. They, the President and the congress, came out of vacation and stepped into the arena. They will be bludgeoned by the MSM. But they did right.
I have become so damned cynical in this bastion of the politically correct that I am surprised. But I am delighted. May this be one more gentle ripple in the start of a tsunami that creates the “Shining City on a Hill” that ought to be.
Clive, you look like the Cheshire Cat right now!
Sorry once! Is it that obvious? I just detest liars and hypocrites, especially the Republican variety.
And “once”….
Darleen has been arguing for your rights as your child’s parent to determine what is best for your child. Why does that elicit such wrath from you?
You clearly have not been following this story for long. To recap: Michael Shiavo sued for Terri’s rehabilitation and then, after winning and shacking up with his new wife, suddenly remembered that “oh yeah, one time, in passing, Terri said she doesn’t want to live on life support” (paraphrase). It was then that he and the activist Judge Greer (the only judge to ever actually hear the case) began their crusade to kill her.
Hmmm…that would probably be where any dialog between Terri’s parents and Michael broke down, I’m guessing. I certainly hope my parents would stop “dialogging” with my husband if he was newly hooked up with a honey and, incidentally, wanted to kill me.
The money was intended to be for Terri’s rehabilitation and he has barred all rehab efforts (keeping her room dark and quiet, not even brushing her teeth because it is stimulating, etc.) There are hospice nurses who said that she was able to accept spoonfuls of food and Michael had the court order it to stop.
Still, I’m *sure* he has her best interest at heart and only wants to fulfill her wishes. (not)
What happened to the money? Some say it’s gone after all the legal wrangling. There is still a life insurance policy (with guess who as the beneficiary), I’ve heard. And let’s not forget poor martyred Michael’s media options.
Has anyone heard the Druge audio? If it can be authenticated, it is chilling and heartbreaking.
Starving for compassion,
ginabina
I know the baby in Texas also had pulmonary hypoplasia on top of his thanatophoric dysplasia. The baby’s lungs will never grow. He can not get sufficient oxygen to support his body even on a vent. And bc of his skeletal deformations, his chest will collapse.
Unlike the Schiavo case, we do not have access to his records. So, it’s more than unfair, not that you are concerned with fairness, to ask for comments. And the only reason you are asking for comments is because, being a good dem, you havee made it into a political issue. You people are experts on projecting.
Paul wrote:
“You know as well as I that under no other circumstance would the Dems agree to staving someone to death… What if we put people on death row to death by starvation? What if a prisoner in Guantanimo misses lunch? The Libs would want Bush drawn and quartered.”
I don’t even know where to begin here. Are we talking about prisoners who are physically healthy or prisoners in a condition similar to Terri Schiavo’s? If the former, then starving them wouldn’t be euthanasia, it would be murder plain and simple. If the latter, then it would be euthanasia at the discretion of the state, which is just about the last fucking power you’d ever want a government to have. In short, the liberals would be right to bitch.
As for Sensenbrenner’s point about starving an animal, is he implying that sick pets aren’t euthanized in Florida? Or that, when they are, their owners are fined for doing so? Or is he actually making a bullshit analogy between healthy animals for whom starvation is a needless agony and a near-vegetative human who, according to her spouse, didn’t want to live in this condition? Sensenbrenner should be ashamed of himself, especially considering that the reason Terri Schiavo is being made to die passively, by starvation, while brain-dead animals get a shot is because we’re reluctant to give anyone the power to actively take a human life.
Let me be clear: if we knew for a fact that she wanted to die under these circumstances, I’d side with the Democrats. Choice, in that case, does take precedence over life. The fact is, though, we don’t know what she wanted and I’m unwilling to let her waste away on the say-so of another. It’s that simple.
Not enough time to get into this fully, but I did read:
From St Wendeler
Michael hasn’t been involved in her life (other than trying to kill her) since she was injured
This is a blatant falsehood. From the trial record, “By all accounts, Mr. Schiavo has been very motivated in pursuing the best medical care for his wife, even taking her to California for a month or so of experimental treatment. It is undisputed that he was very agressive with nursing home personnel to make certain that she received the finest of care.”
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf
How about an apology for the needless slander when you don’t know the facts, St.
JYT
the trip was prior to 1992 wasn’t it?
Allah
If Terri had had a living will, we wouldn’t be here.
She didn’t and she hasn’t even had the minimal medical testing required for PVS.
Something is rotten in Florida and it aint just Terri’s teeth that Michael refuses routine care for…
Posted by: Old Coot :
Looks like DU sent a bus load of trolls over here. Yuk!
Psst, maybe we shd send them cindy as revenge. :p
Not a lot of dignity in being dehydrated and starved and laying there in pain as you skin starts to crack and bleed and choking on the mucus that becomes thick as your body tries to protect itself.
Well, Darleen, where is your outrage at the other hundreds (thousands?) of times this has occurred in our nation’s medical establishment? I assume you don’t support legalizing any humane ways for a life to come to a dignified end (most people in your camp certainly don’t). So starvation is all we’re left with.
No, I don’t assume to know what shoes you walk in, I never stated that I did, unlike you. Oh, by the way we are not in any “Sistahood” meshugga? what does that mean?
It is amazing how you go from intelligent to gutter mama in a split second. I’m not having any tyrad’s, but your comments in capitals show that your a woman on the edge.
We can have “adult” debates and still agree to disagree. Yet your kind seem to always take it personally and way out there in having to prove your right. Making comments and ASSumations that make you like such as the later. It is kind of laughable how you insult and then not expect some type of response (head shaking in awe). And when you do, you go on the attack again ( still shaking with a sardonic smile coming through)
Gina,
Darleen has not fought any fight for my child. In addition there is no wrath on my part. I am simply do not agree with all that she has to say. She also makes comments with out being cautious as to who she might be talking to, and when rebutled responds with wrath.
There are some reasonable people here that do not agree with my stance on the issue, but they are not attacking me or anyone else in here. They state their opinion and we banter back and forth like adults. But put to the test I will not idle while darleen feels the need to put it to me because we do not agree.
Why do you hate the sacred bond of Marriage so much that you would put the desires of an elected politician to make publicity over the desires of a husband to make the best judgement of what is best for his own wife? When someone marries, they are no longer the responsiblity of their parents, they are now the responsibility of their spouse. If you don’t like that, change the laws, abolish marriage.
OK, just one more — “clear and convincing evidence” from the court record again:
“Michael Schiavo testified as to a few discussions he had with his wife concerning life support. THe Guardian Ad Litem felt that this testimony standing alone would not rise to clear and convincing evidence…The court reviewed the testimony of Scott Schiavo (brother) and Joan Schiavo (sister-in-law) and finds nothing therein to be unreliable. The court notes that neither of these witnesses appeared to have shaded his or her testimony or even attempt to exclude unfavorable comments or points regarding these discussions. They were not impeached on cross-examination.” — so lets hear no more about how this is all based on the word of her husband. There are 3 (count them, three) witnesses to Terri’s wishes.
As long as we’re on the subject of what’s in the testimony, the whole next section is dedicated to how the court finds “beyond all reasonable doubt that Theresa Marie Schiavo is in a persistent vegitative state…with the exception of one (count them one) witness whom the court finds to be so biased as to lack credibility, her movements are occasional and totally consistent with the testimony of the expert medical witnesses…the unrebutted evidence remains that Terri Schiavo remains in a persistent vegitative state.”
Please present your medical degrees AND evidence of having reviewed Terri’s mdeical records before disparaging these findings of the court or be relegated to a “faith-based” poster.
Hmmmm… Once upon uses the phrase about me as “your kind”
Wow. Not unexpected. Challenge elitism, find elitism.
psst… once upon? meshugga is Yiddish for “insane”
wanna refer to me as “your kind” again?
And do let me know how you “feel” when the Dr. Cranford’s start looking at YOUR child as unworthy of living. You know, that 25% quality of life thingy you posit?
Brian
Pay attention now. Can you do that?
If Terri had a LIVING WILL I would have NO objection to her dying. As an adult she had the right to choose “no heroic methods.”
But that is NOT what is under discussion. Terri is being declared not worthy of life because she’s an eugenic inconvenience standing between Michael and whatever he hopes to gain by her unnatural death.
Darleen,
I believe that I was very explicit in the posting that I was responding to. All Michael’s actions that I referenced were after the accident, as is obvious. The egregious poster stated, “Michael hasn’t been involved in her life (other than trying to kill her) since she was injured“. So, I’m not sure exactly what point you’re trying to make with ’92. I’ll make you a deal: tell me your position on St Wendler’s accusation and I’ll go look up the trip date.
I am not Yiddish. So again you assume I would understand what you meant. Well if you want to know what I mean by your kind. Look it up, it also means “meshugga”
Excuse me, Once, I assumed that your capitalizing the first three letters of ASSume continuously put you in the category of a name-calling idiot who jumped into the middle of a conversation and made it all about yourself. What a brilliant technique to show you are above insults! Cutesy at best; obnoxious at worst.
And to the poster who talked about the sacred bond of marriage? I’d be laughing if you weren’t all advocating active participation in killing someone who can’t defend herself. I think Michael gave that up when he shacked up with his new honey and had two children with her.
Not to be redundant or anything….
Guess I overestimated you, Once.
I didn’t assume you’d necessarily know a common Yiddish expression (like I don’t speak Spanish but I know what “vio con Dios” means)
but I did assume you’d know how to use Google.
Sorry.
JYT
Please read this from top to bottom.
If it doesn’t give you the least amount of pause, than…well
Hell, eugenics here we come!
Posted by: Darleen at March 21, 2005 01:50 AM
But that is NOT what is under discussion. Terri is being declared not worthy of life because she’s an eugenic inconvenience standing between Michael and whatever he hopes to gain by her unnatural death.
As I noted above, that’s absolutely wrong. What’s at issue is that a court determined that she is in a persistent vegitative state AND that her wishes were to die if in such a condition. Now, you can argue that there should be another appeal, that new laws can apply, that the federal govt. should have jurisdiction, etc, but you can’t change what’s already been decided by the courts, as much as you want to. All your outlandish claims have been given full and repeated hearings in the courts, and these were the findings.
They only thing I can be grateful for is not having a radical such as yourself Darleen fighting for anything I might ever need. Your “meshugga” type approach makes pleased that I do not live where you live, in mind and land.
The fact that people agree to disgree is healthy for the debate of life. For if we all thought in a collective mind set, then we would surly be lost. I am neither Dem or Rep, as I am not American. But the issue at hand is a human one. No, I am not related to this woman nor are you. It should have been left to the family and her husband. On some level he must still love her to take on your nation in fulfilling her wishes. He could sulk away into the shadows and not have it his issue any longer. Yet he feels the need to stand by his and Terri’s convictions
You know, I had appendicitis once. I went 3 days without food and water. Let me tell you, I could live without the food, but god Dehydration sucks big time.
I was on an IV for 14 hours with a moderately quick drip to re-hydrate me. It took me 2 days before I was able to use the bathroom. I ended having to have to be cath’d to make sure that my bodily functions were working properly. The Docs were worried.
I would not wish that upon anyone. It is miserable and I almost died.
Unless you’ve been seriously dehydrated. Don’t anyone every say it’s pleasant. As for Starving to death. From Aug. ’03 to the end of Oct ’03 I had no job, no food, no transportation, and no money. Starving is not fun either. At times I was living on bread and water once or twice a week.
Luckily a local church came and had a cook-out on the last Saturday of every month. They would let me keep all the left overs. Most of which was bread, which kept me alive for the following month or so.
Then I got the job I currently have. I’m back to a normal and healthy weight. I eat regularly, and I do not every hope to have to be starving every again.
She didn’t and she hasn’t even had the minimal medical testing required for PVS.
Ok, I’ve been looking around about this and the only place I can find that says an MRI or PET scan are necessary to diagnose PVS is in that NRO piece. Everything else I find on medical sites basically says that MRI and CT scans (which was performed) can help identify the cause of PVS (like large portions of the cerebral cortex being fluid), but that the condition is diagnosed through clinical observation. Further, PET scans or EEGs (which was performed) “can be used to shed light on the physiology of the VS, but are not yet routine diagnostic tools. Their use is not required for diagnosis of the VS, which remains essentially clinical.” Complete info here, courtesy of the Royal College of Physicians (2003).
OK, Darleen. I read the NRO article. A few quick points that seem to have escaped you in this article:
1) Obviously, you’re approaching the work of the Reverend Robert Johansen as being more impartial than that of the trial judge. I was wondering why that is, specifically.
2) It is mentioned a few times in the article that CT scans are useful in pretty severe cases with massive damage. If Terri has this type of damage, then this whole article is pointless. As you’ll note, NOWHERE in the article does it state that the good reverend actually shows the doctors the existing CT scan, even though this is a matter of public record. That would seem like a pretty relevant piece of material for them to review.
3) There’s a very good reason that judges don’t usually rehear cases based on “new facts”. That’s because anybody can claim to come up with new facts at any time. If this happened every time a ruling went against someone, and the case had to be retried, then we’d never close any cases. That’s why procedural error is the basis for appeals.
4) The good Reverend spends 10 paragraphs discussing Dr. Cranford and his testimony. How many paragraphs are spent on the independent doctor’s testimony (appointed by the court) that was presented in the trial? How many are spent examining the background, testimony, etc of the parent’s “expert witness”?
5) What exactly was it that prevented Terri’s parents from making all these exact arguments during the original trial? See, when you write a biased article, you can throw out anything you want, make any arguments that come to mind, etc. When you actually try them in court, is when they get tested against the actual evidence.
Now, please read ALL the court transcript that I linked to earlier. It’s only fair
Thank you, mantis. That was a very informative article.
Big Time Patriot evoked the “sacred bond of marriage” to justify Schiavo’s right to terminate his (first) wife. I don’t know what Schiavo’s motives are but I doubt if the sanctity of marriage is one of them.
He’s been living common law with another woman for years and has two children by her. I’d say she’s his current wife. He just hasn’t bothered to divorce his first wife yet. The reasons: Undying love? Money? Too much trouble? Your guess is as good as mine.
In any case he’s given up those precious, special, to-die-for, sacred marriage rights long ago.
As someone once said, “You can’t have your Kate and Edith too.”
::Rep- Mel Watt (D) Scumbagonia-:: HOW the heck did this guy get elected?!? Do these people have any sense in their heads?
Thanks for the LB, Paul. I missed it yesterday. I don’t know what’s sadder- the illogical (un)intelligence of these people or that they are voting to kill a helpless woman who’s only crime is that she can’t lift a spoon to her lips.
As someone once said, “You can’t have your Kate and Edith too.”
Posted by: Newman
LOL! I need to find a reason to use that one…
Once I have a son with autism, and frankly this kind of stuff scares me, because I don’t want somebody deciding who deserves and doesn’t deserve to be a person, and who does and doesn’t deserve to live, and whose disabilities cause too much of a burden that we should be able to kill them.
You may say it won’t happen, but it is already happening in Europe where some countries have active euthenasia laws.
This whole road scares me, because I worry for the day my son’s disability shows up on the list of those whose quality of life doesn’t meet our standard.
“In some regards it is “life support” it my not be a breathing tube, but she is unable to feed herself, thus they are “supporting” her life. “
Then should we head out right now, and start killing anyone who is on a feeding tube? My nephew was on a feeding tube for two years, should my bil and sil been able to starve him to death?