Occasionally, as a rebellion against the dress code at work that requires me to wear a tie, I wear subversive buttons on the back. I had to retire one of my favorites after 9/11 (“God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat Him”), but I still have a few I like.
One of them espouses something I’ve believed for years: “God invented body piercing so people with tattoos wouldn’t feel so stupid.”
(There’s a variant I’ve used: “WebTV was invented so people with AOL could have someone they could feel superior to.”)
I don’t “get” tattoos and body piercing. It just screams out to me “I’m a rebel and a non-conformist, so I’m going to express my individualism just the way everyone else does by permanently mutilating my body” to me.
And this morning, I find this story of a navel piercing gone horribly wrong.
I feel so vindicated.
“if you knew excrement from shoe polish about tattoos you’d know that almost every state has had to pass laws in the last 15 years to prevent drunks from getting tattoos”.
That statment coming from the person who says that everyone getting tattooed is drunk!! Laughable!
Here’s a few people that Bullwinkle counts among gang members and criminals who are just dying to express their individuality and would never influence him or anything to do with him, and should probably grow up:
Winston Churchill, and his mother
Thomas Edison (he obviously didn’t influence you)
FDR
Barry Goldwater
JFK
Teddy Roosevelt
George Schultz
Bernard Montgomery
Kings Alexander, Alfoso, Edward VII, Frederick IX, George II, George V, Harold II, Henry IV
Peter the Great
Richard the Lion Hearted, King of England
Queen Victoria
At no time did I ever say that everyone that gets a tattoo is drunk. If you have a credible, honest point of view on this why do you have to make dishonest statements to support it? I never said that everyone that gets tattoos are criminals, bikers, gang members or sailors, I said that in the past (before the current FAD) they were the main ones to get them. Get a clue, get a life, hell, go get another tattoo, I couldn’t care less. It only makes it easier for normal people to identify you.
OK, this should prove to everyone’s satisfaction that getting a tattoo does not make you a “rebel” or unique in any way, shape or form. If you’ve been reading these comments up to this point the very people that think they are somehow being different will go to any length to prove that it is the act of normal, even admirable people and the people getting tattoos are nothing more than the sheep Jay claimed they were and I agreed they were from the start. Thanks to D-hoggs help the case has been made and proven. Thanks for your cooperation D-hoggs, couldn’t have done it without you. Isn’t it amazing how trying to become unique only makes you common? Isn’t it amazing how much effort some people will put into proving their failed attempt at being different failed? Unless, of course, all these people participating in the current FAD are getting inked just be conformists…..Nah, they’d never admit that either.
You are seriously an idiot Bullwinkle. Straight up idiot. You are the one that stated, “Since I have been able to remain sober enough to not become a pincushion”, obviously hinting that people that get tattoos are obviously drunk. You are also the one that continuously has been saying I said things that I did not, I have pointed it out many times, as well as many of the inconsistencies in your “argument” which you conveniently ignore. FURTHERMORE, YOU are the one that has been claiming from the start that people who get tattoos are trying to be different, not me, that is YOUR argument. I have never once said that they make you a rebel or different, I have only stated that they are unequivocally NOT a fad. Why don’t you read your own statement, ” If you have a credible, honest point of view on this why do you have to make dishonest statements to support it?” and heed it your damn self? You have consistently said things that I never said, you have consistently ignored your blatant conflicting arguments, and now you are trying to say that I was out to prove that getting tattooed makes you a rebel or unique, which I have not ONCE argued to, not ONCE. So try being honest yourself. You have ignored every idiotic conflicted statment that you’ve made and been called on, but, Nah, you’d never admit to that either.
“Since I have been able to remain sober enough to not become a pincushion”, would mean to most people the I, with the mephasis on the “I” haven’t gotten drunk and gotten tattooed means exactly that. I would have to be very drunk to get a tattoo. You can attempt to read into to that whatever you want to, but it won’t make it true. You might be more than willing to get tattooed while sober, more power to you. Who cares, you proved the case that tattoos are for sheep, that was the original statement made by Jay, now you have proven it once again. Conformists who fear that won’t be “Cool’ enough get tattoos because of peer pressure, big deal, weak-minded people do all kinds of things, nothing new there. Now go away, I’m very bored with this. BTW tattooing is a fad, a long lasting one with varying degrees of popularity, but a fashion that has been coming and going for a long, long time. Get over it, admit the truth and move on.
I have no idea how you think that I proved that tattoos are for sheep. Totally idiotic statement. I agreed with you before that many people get tattoos for stupid reasons but for you to make a ridiculous sweeping generalization that all people do it to be rebels or because of peer pressure or because they are weak minded is just absolutely ludicrous and false. Once again you have conveniently ignored all the conflicting statements you’ve made. JFK and FDR were obviously weak-minded and really wanted to be cool. I’m sure they would have never gotten tattooed had it not been for peer pressure too! Man, I’m going to have to look into getting one of those internet masters degrees, they seem to make you really smart. So you’ve been married and divorced twice now huh Bullwinkle? Well don’t sweat it, weak-minded people do all kinds of things. You’re an idiot, read into that however you want.
Ryan, you’re absolutely right. Since neither of us knows whether skybird’s first language is English, I should have said “probably” instead of “obviously”. I still think it’s not, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Oh, and I think it’s Russian; she writes just like the Russian immigrant who runs the convenience store across the street from me talks.
I did go back and re-read her post; I’ll admit that it isn’t always easy, but it seemed obvi…quite likely, that is, to me that she was supporting yours and D-Hoggs point of view, which is one of the reasons why your attack on her post annoyed me.
The other reason I attacked your post is my upbringing. I was taught that while it was fine to disagree with someone, you shouldn’t make fun of the way they talk. Or write, as the case may be.
As for the remark about the preview button (or bar, more accurately), I’m glad to have been of some help, though I wouldn’t have used the words “consistently” and “sometimes” in the same sentence describing skybird’s posts. But that’s just me. You, on the other hand are much better at cutting and pasting then I am (I’m new to computers). Maybe you could give me some pointers.
fatman:
Russian eh? I thought they had some sort of grammatical rules in Russian. Maybe not though. I’ll have to take your word for it.
I re-reread that post again, and am still unsure what point of view was being expressed. But thats just me.
The other reason I attacked your post is my upbringing. I was taught that while it was fine to disagree with someone, you shouldn’t make fun of the way they talk. Or write, as the case may be.
Okay. Point taken. I guess you might want to read some more of skybird’s previous comments. He/she isn’t necessarily the most “balanced” commentor on this site. I try to be nice, but some people are just way over the top…the one in question really goes haywire on those evil “librels” to a ridiculous extent. Very caustic and reactionary in many cases.
As for the remark about the preview button (or bar, more accurately), I’m glad to have been of some help, though I wouldn’t have used the words “consistently” and “sometimes” in the same sentence describing skybird’s posts.
You’re right, it could have been stated more clearly. That hanging “sometimes” is a bit ambiguous. However, I should have written something more along these lines to gain your support:
Veryus spilling and grammer errors cannot really comparable to the INSAINE senseless blatentleY erronyus hippie LIBREL hater weird posts skybird puts on here evry once in a who then tells things like then what the HELL crazie freek people madmen who are just doing wat thrye told
See, now you’ll defend me.
I think it’s funny that you’re getting on my case for minor grammatical crap, in defense of that nutty post up there. I-ron-ic. To each his own I suppose.
lol
Cut and paste land: Select a section of desired text by highlighting it with the mouse. Click once, then drag the highlight over all the text you want to copy. Let go. Then press control-C to copy that highlighted text. Next click in the spot where you want the text to go, then press control-V, which pastes the text. Rinse and repeat.
Buenos dias, y en el futuro voy a ser mas amable a las personas quien no escriben perfectamente. No puedo hacerlo, ni otras personas. Asi es la vida. Que mala suerte que no puedo escribire esto en “Russian”, pero no lo entiendo. Es un pais muy lejos de donde vivo, asi no aprendi la lengua en mi escuela. Creo que hace sentido, porque no tengo amigos quien hablen esa lengua. Hasta luego “hombre gordo”.
Ryan:
Got me again. No, I don’t speak what is obvio… presumably Spanish. Or any other foreign language, for that matter (foreign language classes bored me to tears in high school). So I will now fall on my sword and concede the question of skybird’s native tongue to you.
However, you are mistaken in thinking that I would defend you if you wrote, spelled and punctuated like skybird; The examples that I’ve seen of your writing style suggest that you’re capable of better. I don’t think skybird is.
As for skybird’s “caustic and reactionary” and “way over the top” comments about evil “librels”, if you have a problem with the comments, then attack the comments. Attacking the way they were written simply gives people the impression that you’re smug, arrogant, condescending or just plain lazy. And we wouldn’t want that now, would we?
My thanks for the tips on cutting and pasting; I’ll think of you every time I cut and paste.
As for my “nitpicking” your punctuation and grammer, don’t take it so personally. I nitpick my posts the same way, and not always successfully. For example, in my last post, third paragraph, first sentence, I probably should have used a semi-colon instead of a comma after the word “librels”. And in the same paragraph, last sentence, the comma that comes after the word “now” should have come after the word “that”. And I did preview before I posted.
See? None of us are perfect. It’s just that I’ve come to expect so much more of you.
Fatman:
As for skybird’s “caustic and reactionary” and “way over the top” comments about evil “librels”, if you have a problem with the comments, then attack the comments.
Attack the comments! I’ve mobilized my tank brigade, and they are en route. I was thinking about flanking the southwest side of the comments, but also sending a small team to cut off the power supply lines to the east. It could just work…
Attacking the way they were written simply gives people the impression that you’re smug, arrogant, condescending or just plain lazy. And we wouldn’t want that now, would we?
Hey, wait a minute, you don’t really want me to answer that question. It’s almost as if you put it there just for effect or something. There should be a word for that.
As for my “nitpicking” your punctuation and grammer, don’t take it so personally.
Why did you have to bring my GRAMMER into this? She’s just a nice old lady. No cookies for you, jeez.
And I dont take your nitpicking personally; I always appreciate good grammar enforcement. Except of course when it comes to the word “ain’t”, which I think is perfectly acceptable, to the horror of the purists. You see, it’s a perfectly logical use of the contaction.
Are you an English teacher?
See? None of us are perfect. It’s just that I’ve come to expect so much more of you.
Thanks. Honestly I’m all for good, and fair, debate. I will stick to the proper rules of engagement I promise. You caught me being a punk, and called me out, and now I will fall on my sword, as long as it’s just a literary device…not a real sword…because, well…you know.
Actually, I appreciate how you disagreed with me without name calling. 10 points for you. Not many people can do that.
Ryan:
Actually, I think you’d be better off dropping paratroopers behind the comments and staging a simultaneous attack. Sows confusion and panic in the ranks. Now if Lee had just been able to get a regiment of cavalry behind Meade…sorry.
You’re right. I don’t want you to answer that. Though if I were a lawyer in a court of law, you could probably object to my asking a leading question. Or maybe my mother made me watch too many episodes of “Perry Mason” when I was a kid.
Sorry about your Grammer. Hope I didn’t bruise her.
No, I’m not an English teacher. I’m a (sigh) disabled/retired semi-skilled laborer. And I have absolutely no problem with the word “ain’t”. I don’t use it much because my father (also a d/rs-sl) banned its use in our house.
As for not engaging in name calling, I try not to do that, and I appreciate that you don’t either. It doesn’t win many converts to the name caller’s side, either among those they disagree with or the fence sitters. If, on the other hand, they start the festivities, I can get down with the best of them (see “Joser, rhymes with Loser”).
In closing, I must say it’s been both interesting and challenging debating you. And enjoyable. Perhaps we can do it again sometime. Hopefully without me dragging us so far off topic.
fatman:
In closing, I must say it’s been both interesting and challenging debating you. And enjoyable. Perhaps we can do it again sometime.
Cheers to that.