(Note: I really don’t have any conclusions here, just a collection of thoughts. Feel free to discuss things among yourselves.)
On the radio the other day, I heard a commentator discussing how President Bush’s approval ratings have fallen even lower. The number I heard was 31%, but that is being challenged — it seems the pollsters once again over-sampled Democrats.
But the particulars aren’t overly important. The commentator said that Bush’s numbers are lower than Clinton’s ever were — and that Clinton would never let his numbers get that bad. Clinton lived and died by polls, by people’s approval, and would have found some way to reverse things. Bush, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to care much for polls; he has his own beliefs and principles, and he stands by them solidly.
A long time ago, I was heavily involved in campus politics. A friend of mine and I were discussing the merits. I backed one candidate as a true believer, a sincere and decent guy. Walter, though, backed a guy who I described as a pure political animal, one who was interested in power and self-aggrandizement. He was lining himself up for a post-college political career, and saw student government as a mere stepping-stone on the way.
Walter’s argument was simple: his guy was someone you could depend on, you could work with. You could get him on your side just by making sure he understood how it would be to his benefit. It was a cold, pragmatic approach, and it repulsed me.
In the end, my guy won and Walter’s lost. And my guy was a disaster.
That’s the problem with the true believers — they rarely end up mediocre. They are either great successes, or great failures. My guy flopped. (It’s so bad that I don’t even remember who the hell he was, but I still remember Walter and his guy, James.)
So, Bush is a true believer, as opposed to Clinton the pragmatist. Reagan and FDR were true believers, but so was Carter. Nixon was, at his core, a pragmatist.
The other element of the polling that struck me is that politics is not a zero-sum game, especially when it comes to polls. Bush’s falling approval do not necessarily mean that his opponents are rising — because they aren’t. There is no ascending star on the Democratic side, just a bunch of retreads, has-beens, and never-weres who think they can capitalize on the numbers to boost themselves — and they can’t.
There’s an old saying in politics that you can’t beat someone with no one. It’s the principle that’s kept Ted and Patrick Kennedy (alias Old Pint and Half Pint) in office. And even though Bush can’t run again, he’s still somebody, and his designated successor will have that going for him (or her). The Democrats need to find someone that people can vote for, for a change — running as “I’m not George W. Bush” hasn’t worked for them yet.
(Update: Iowa Liberal whines that his trackback excoriating me (well, kicking sand on my shoes and stamping his feet) was blocked. Here you go, jb. Sorry to ruin your paranoid persecution complex.)
Is Bush actually afraid of horses? I did not know that.
Do you have a legitimate source for that rumor?
Dick, any good Clintonite would know that the stuff Rob posted is from the “Clinton Chronicles” gang and is filled with just out and out lies. For example, he says 47 people from the “Clinton machine” (whatever that means) were convicted or pleaded guilty. If you were to exclude the two or three who were tried in Arkansas for things that were proven to be unrelated to the Clintons and Cisneros for lying about his mistress, could you name even one of these “criminals” Rob thinks exist? Again, nobody in the Clinton administration was ever indicted for any crime committed in the process of doing their civic duty.
ahh Jimbo, they dont get thrown out! their terms are up.
Jimbo, it depends on how much store you put in some of the Bush books like “Fortunate Son” or “Bushwacked,” but think about it — have you ever seen Bush riding a horse? Reagan sure got a lot of milage out of riding tall in the saddle. I’m sure they would provide us with a video or still of Bush tall in the saddle if there were one.
I’ll say this slowly so you Democrats will understand. George Bush is not running for anything in 2006. Certainly not the House or Senate. His poll numbers suck but Harry Truman nearly reached 80% disapproval. And numbers for Congress are worse than Bush and the numbers for the media are lower still. But the point is, although Americans hate Congress, they poll favorably in the high 70s if asked about THEIR Congressman. So 97% will be re-elected, like they always are, and Republicans will hold Congress.
John, you don’t have to speak slowly for democrats. We’ll see in November. Repubs will pull out all the stops because they know what’s at stake. As a republican, would you favor bombing Iran to help hold on to congress?
Remember, John, Ken Melman is running around telling repubs that they could lose up to 45 seats. Dems only need 15. We’ll see.
Bluedog
That crime syndicate is long gone and 8 years was long enough. lets let bygones be bygones. i could,nt care less about his mistresses, that never bothered Me,but since you asked? How about Marc Rich or Charlie Tree for example? I have to admit however that the Clinton administration was masterful at stonewalling and delaying investigations much better then the Bush admin, not that thats worth bragging about.
Oh and by the way, John, you cited Harry Truman’s poor ratings, but what you didn’t point out was that in the midst of those poor ratings, republicans took the House. You see, presidential ratings do affect House and Senate races — after all, look at 1994. And Bush’s negatives are a lot worse than Clinton’s were at that time.
astig, I’ll bet a 12 pack of [insert preferred brand of beer] on the GOP for each house (a case in all at risk); and if either side wins both houses, the loser has to don a Cindy Sheehan mask and sing “Stars and Stripes Forever” on the steps of the ACLU national headquarters in Manhattan.
We’re really closing in on something here; I can’t believe anybody does anything else with the internet…
Are you close enough to go to New York and do something like this? That would be a lot more expensive than beer. How about the loser posting a picture of themselves on this site, wearing the tee shirt of the winner’s choice?
I prefer microbrews, btw.
Dick: “I have to admit however that the Clinton administration was masterful at stonewalling and delaying investigations much better then the Bush admin, not that thats worth bragging about.”
Really. So, when’s that second part of the Iraq investigation that Pat Roberts promised going to take place? When will congress investigate the procurement scandal that got David Safavian arrested. When will congress get around to investigating that missing $9 billion in taxpayer money we lost in Iraq? The Bush administration prevented the military from killing Zarqawi on three occasions before the invasion for political reasons according to our own Pentagon — when do you think we’ll see an investigation into that? A male whore under an assumed name visited the whitehouse over 200 times, at least 14 of which came at night with no checking out — I know republicans in congress like a good sex scandal — when are they going to get around to that one?
Dick, why would you even bring up pardons. I know the so-called liberal media had a field day with Clinton’s pardons, but if you would take the time to check into George HW Bush’s pardons, I think you would find some very meaty stuff that was never discussed in the “liberal media.” How about a convicted heroine smuggler 2 years into a 55 year sentince for bringing pounds of heroine into the country pardoned and flown back to his native Pakistan in the middle of the night on Bush’s last day? You’d think that would have been worth more than one small article buried deep in the New York Times. How about pardoning 4 indicted co-conspirators who are scheduled to testify as to your part in a crime? Does that sound worthy of outrage to you or were Clinton’s pardons just a lot worse than that?
These things sound like conspiracy theories and i have no point of reference on which to comment..
Rob.
If this is what you call statistics and numbers you need to take a deeeep breath and come down. Then go to statistics and records on any search engine and look it up.
Altough this blog is not to talk about Clinton (he left six years ago). I must point out to you that if you want to talk about Ken Star’s investigation you will come to realize that HE FAILED on the legal side. In the end he came out with a blow job!!so much for WHite Water!!.
As for the long, long list you have about what the Special Prosecutors, and the media investigated, is that suposed to be an idictment?, or simply what they investigated. You give a bunch of special Prosecutors 100 million dollars, and 10 years of time, and I bet they can investigate a longer list than the one you just came up…. By the way who was investigated for rape?
Since you equate an investigation as proof of guilt you care to comment on the present investigation going on with Lindsi, Cheney, Bush, Rove on the CIA lick investigation for starters?.
They are investigated therefore they most be guilty correct?. Nothing like consistent ideas!!.
Yeah Patrick Fitzgeralds come up with so much has,nt He?
Jhon.
No!! We Democrats did not know Bush was not running for ofice again!!. Please tell me it ain’t so!!.
History is full of examples of power change in mid term elections caused by presidential bad poll numbers.
For example Clinton!!. Remember Newt? He made the mid term elections a National referendum on Democratic corruption, and ineptness and gave the people the “Contract for America”. Presto the Reps are back in power!!.
But of course this can’t happen now, we are only Democrats, and the polls are of course wrong.
You sound like Rummy arrogantly dismissing the oposition in Iraq and looking like a walking Omelette now.
Gil
Yeah but you guys thought the last election cycle was going to be a referendum on Bush for being selected instead of elected remember? and He ended up whipping Your puttuties, so theres no point in trying to predict it, it will be whatever it will be.
Your reality right Gil? Just like when your nitwit Minority Speaker Pelosi says Stupid things like “the real truth” or my favorite “there is nothing wrong with spending the Social Security Funds so long as there is the prospect or intent on paying it back”.
“only 30% of seniors like”. Where did you find this little gem. Last I heard there was a 60-70% apporoval of the Program. They don’t like it compared to what? having a live in nurse hading them their pills and handing them a glass of water?
And the Katrina failure was all about the incompetance of two democrat elected buffoons Blanco and Nagin with her give me 24 hrs to think about it to the flooded buses, not to mention the one sided reporting by the Media. Have they found those other 9,000 dead yet that Nagin predicted? No, of course not because they like most of what the democrats party says,it is furthest from the truth. As the democrats spin and complain to cover their incompetant behinds they are completely oblivious of the thousands that are being rescued from their rooftops in the same broadcast. Then there is the classic from Nagin “I’m tired of hearing helicopters, I want to hear some Jazz!”
Over 1000 died directly as a result of their incompetance but all you want to talk about is anything other than the failure of democrats in a position of resposibility especially when they prove for all to see why they are not trusted and in the Minority. You and your party blame everything and anything on President Bush because your a sore loser and in the Minority sinking fast.
Your pathetic and disgusting in your quest to regain power by smearing and Obstructing a sitting President in a time of WAR. Your party is all talk and no action, the perfect fraud. Do as I say , not as I do. These are the words that the Democrats preach at their fundraisers: “Social Security belongs to us and we need to get back to where we belong, in power.” BULLSHIT! Behind bars or in an insane Assylum is more like where they belong.
You would love to be able to deny the fact that your Democrat Party has vowed “to say anything” and “do whatever it take to regain power”. So you shouldn’t be all that upset when I call you liars and frauds because it’s a fact that you know , I know and anybody remotely paying attention knows as well. Democrats mouths water at the thought of potential voters and haven’t wasted time as they are actively trying to recruit and con those 11 plus million poor illegal immigrants in hopes they are given amnesty. It’s getting harder and harder for democrats to find ignorant voters since the more inforned one is of the facts and aren’t broadsided by the democrats perpetual fraud the less likely they are to vote for them.
How sad that they must resort in the hopes that the citizens remain dumb for them to regain power. Can’t they acheive it by merit , good old hard work on behalf of the citizens of the entire Country. Right! From the mouth of the now drug treatment seeking Patrick Kennedy ..”His proud declaration at a Democratic gathering that he’s “never worked a day in his fucking life.”
Speaks volumes doesn’t it?
You know Rob somehow I agree with You more and more everytime you scold the disenfranchised..keep it up.
Virgo.
Fair enough. Problem with your remark is that in the National elections Bush was not looking at 32% approval rating. And the referendum was going to be on the war in Irak not on the “selected” thing. Bush took the election win declared himself to have “political capital, and I intend to spend it” and we now see what he has done with it…. Jack shit.
The referendum in Iraq is still out. Bush confused an electorate willing to trust him with the war at the time of his re-election . He forgot that trust is EARNED that’s why his polls now stink.
Yes, it does speak volumes Rob, but probably not in the sense that you intended.
I notice you have not been able to reply to my question:
what year did self-identified Republicans pass self-identified Democrats?
“Since you equate an investigation as proof of guilt you care to comment on the present investigation going on with Lindsi, Cheney, Bush, Rove on the CIA lick investigation for starters?.
They are investigated therefore they most be guilty correct?. Nothing like consistent ideas!!”.
There you go again. You prove the point I make when you pretend to speak for the Majority. Now your trying to speak for me. You are the one that is asuming since presented witth the overwelming evidence you can’t help but to be on the defensive since you yourself can’t deny the obvious so you instead attack me. All I did was respond to your request for statistics.
As far as the many fraudulent investigations which democrats have admitted to being out to get Delay and others , they are just that , false claims. The scope of corruption in the democrat party is astonishing like comparing Jupiter(democrats) to earth(Republicans). And since there is virtually nothing democrats can convict the President of as far as personal dealings they just make things up about him and every single high ranking member in the Republican Party while completely ignoring their fellow democrats around them faling like flies convicted of crimes and going to jail. Your three year long investigation ,wet dream to get Rove has failed and are still strugling to save face with Libby. The whole thing is a complete failure by the dims in their desperation to Clintonize a Republican, any Republican.
Rob.
SENIORS/ PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN
The 30 % approval rate by Seniors was actually in the news at CNN TODAY.
SOCIAL SECURITY
Nanci Pelosi and Bush then have a lot in common. That is because last I checked Bush (Not Pelosi) is running the largest budget deficits in the history of our country in part financed by our Social Security Program. By the way, Last I checked it is the same Republican congress that in the past bitterly complained about the Democrats tax and spend ways, doing TODAY all the spending.
Now we have the Republicans charge and spend congress. And Bush? Not A SINGLE VETO on any spending bill by Cogress IN SIX YEARS!!. Now that’s what I call a fiscaly responsible President and congress right Rob!!.
HURICANE KATHRINA
A BIPARTISAN commission investigated what went wrong in the aftermath of huricane Kathrina. Their findigs were that there were failures at ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
Seriously Rob are you capable of dealing with reality, and have a serious debate or are you one of those people that just get a high at insulting others? You continue to rant, and spill hate about eveithing Democrat and ignore commission findings, polls, numbers, facts, etc. What is your problem?. From where are you getting your stuff?. You are making Rush Limbough look sane!!.
I don’t have a problem stating that Blanco should not be re-elected,or that Democrats can be incompetent and corrupt. Why can you accept anithing wrong with a Republican administration with poll numbers in the 30’s?. Why do you think Brownie had to resign as head of FIMA?, what do you think we are still in Iraq?, why do you think we are running the deficits we are running?,, who was in bed with the Arabs in the port deal?, etc, etc.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
Bush is the main proponent of Amnesty for illegal immigrants or you don’t see the news or read?.
You are not here to debate, you are here to spill hate mindlessly lashing out at everithing Democratic.
One last thing Rob. I hope you don’t turn to heavy drinking when the Dems re- gain the house as they seem to be poised to do. Right now with no Democrat in real control you sound to be ready to go out and strangle them, I don’t want to think what would happen if we win!!. I see a Doctor in your future my friend.
” Somehow I find it hard to believe that for twenty years you belonged to a party you don’t even know the name of”
Never said I “belonged” , I said I blindly voted for them.
“As a republican, would you favor bombing Iran to help hold on to congress?
Posted by: Bluedog49 at May 9, 2006 07:42 PM”
This is the kind of stupid questions that democrats make then accuse the Republicans of hadving made them. Like the false claims made by democrats about Sadam and Al Qaeda to 9/11. Now the the idiots in the Lamestream media call the Incompetance and Criminal Leaks in the CIA , President Bush’s mess. That is the fraud and lies that is the Democrat way. The Sedition in the dims party and their media is worn like a badge of honor. They are shameless and clueless and think everyone is stupid when it is they that prove on a regular basis just how stupid and rediculous “they” are. The CIA has been at war with this Administration for years being the very liberal organization that it is engaging in treasonous leaks. How the hell does this become his mess?
To the Democrats the fact that President Bush actually takes of tough tasks and has what they don’t to get it done. Dems just sit on their hands , cry and call everything a mess. Why would the dems fix something that is helping them out never mind the fact that crimes are being commited in the process and our National Security is being compromised? Traitors behave that way.
Rob.
Oh I get it !!.
If a Democrat is investigated he/she is guilty.
If a Republican is investigated he/she is cowardly beeing attacked by snake like Democrat operators.. The worms!!.
Now that is very fair and balanced!!.
I rest my case I am talking to a hack. I don’t know if you get it Rob but you are comming across as a person INCAPABLE of balancing your opinions.
As for the statistics. I was asking for real ones not a bunch of invented stuff that some one investigated.
Let me give you one example. You want to find out what the statistics on Clinton Economic numbers were you go Clinton Economic Statistics on any search engine and look them up. This are Government statistics, not Rush Limbough bull shit rant. I try to deal with facts not with Rush . Clinton was investigated about a bunch of illegalities by Ken Star FACT. Also is a Fact that in the end Clinton was cleared of the White Wather investigation, and an attempt was made to impeach him on perjury charges about basically a blow job .The attempt FAILED. The Republicans paid dearly in the subsequent elections for their support of an IDIOTIC partisan witch hunt. In the process Nute Gingrish lost his job, and his career, his replacement was discredited and retired,and a series of other Republicans were envarsed over simmilar Sexual behavior and have to also retire. THOSE ARE FACTS ROBY BOY.
Rush Limbough is a very sick puppy high on pain killers you should stop acting like him.
Like I said, If an investigation equals guilt as you make Clinton guilty, then BE CONSISTENT. Oh, I forgot, that word does not register in your brain.
I though the EXACT same thing. Imaginary math.
Nope. I’m not very outraged that Clinton spoke in Dubai.
The point you’ve missed: If Mooch et al would rather have a president that gets BJs and commits perjury to hide it, than a president that has ties and has been friendly with the Saudis etc, they’ll have to wait for another BJ afficianado to come into the Oval Office.
The argument of “Well, at least the previous president wasn’t in bed with them” arguement only holds when he was, in fact, not in bed with them.
I’ll let waveman or virgo make the obvious jokes about “in bed”, “come into the Oval Office” and Bill Blinton
I love it! Just love it! Reading the lefty ravings is so entertaining. The dimm party died in 1968. They just haven’t faced the truth and are in deep, deep denial.
The simple truth is that there has not been a single liberal elected president as a liberal since LBJ in 1964. And the libs are getting even further left since then.
Every Democrat elected to the presidency since has campaigned as a moderate Republican. Two Southerners running as Bubba. That wasn’t an accident, that was the only strategy the Democrats
could win with. Pretending to be what they are not.
Carter running as a Southern Governor barely defeated Ford, the only appointed President in US history. And he only lost because the press portrayed him as a klutz and dimwit who pardoned Nixon.
Clinton elected twice with a plurality. In other words twice more people voted against him than for him. And this was another Bubba, a southern Governor who hurried back to execute a retard while out campaigning. Followed by the great political achievement of losing both houses of congress.
If only ten percent of the hype attributed to Clinton was believed by the American people Igor would have won in 2000 by a wide margin. Like Bush 41 did in 1988 following Reagan.
Since 1994 the dimms have lost 5 election cycles for the house. If they think a campaign who’s central thesis is we hate Bush, raise taxes, bug out of Iraq and appease the mullah’s and raise taxes is going to be the winning strategy they are smoking what Bill said he never inhaled.
I wont dispute the fact that often enough the Republican party is the stupid party. But thanks to the Democrat party they will continue to be the lucky party.
Left out of this discussion so far is the fact that the most recent Fox News poll (or at least the most recent I know of) puts Bush at a stratospheric 38%. Does the Fair and Balanced network deserve the same round dismissal when they show that a clear majority disfavors the president (and by extension the GOP at large)?
I do believe that the coming elections are the Democrats’ to lose. Not that they may not oblige in that department, but I give the Republicans the uphill battle to fight.
The crux of the issue is that a great number of Americans who voted for Bush last time around now feel that they’ve been made to look stupid. They’re not happy about that. I in turn am not happy for them — they’re not bad people, or stupid.
Rob: that last point should hold special relevance to you in particular. Please provide a link, or links, to the source(s) of your statistics, so that I can see them myself and see how they were derived, and by whom. Without clear attribution, I have to conclude that they’re made up either by you or your source. Whether or not the Democratic party takes the majority this fall, you’ve got to come to terms with the extremes of failure this administration has demonstrated in the scant 16 months since the second innauguration. From the looks of it, you might want to consider some therapy. Seriously.
“Like the false claims made by democrats about Sadam and Al Qaeda to 9/11”
Rob, what were those claims, specifically?
However Davel, you cannot pretend to speak or know what 100,000,000 voters individually think or what they will choose next election..
I think the claims were along the lines of saddam had no ties to al quaeda or terrorism which of course were just as false as the no WMDS argument? they were simply moved during the long run up to the war!
Gil,
“Seriously Rob are you capable of dealing with reality”. Perfectly capable.
“Nanci Pelosi and Bush then have a lot in common. That is because last I checked Bush (Not Pelosi) is running the largest budget deficits in the history of our country in part financed by our Social Security Program”
Excuse me? Financed by what? I believe it’s called the peoples tax dollar. I won’t bother going into foreign investment. You have already shown your stripes with the “Our Social Security Program”. In order to finance something that means that money is being loaned from point “X” in order to pay for “Y” correct? Well explain then how it is possible to pull billions of dollars out of vault “X” where not one single dollar exists? Your cliam that Social Security is financing our budget deficit is not only obsurd it is a shameless lie.
Just like the same Clinton lies repeated numerous times by the queen of hypocracy herself just today , Nancy Pelosi and by many others in the past 5 years the myth about a bugdget surplus. I prefer to call it a lie well because that’s what it boils down to given the shamelessness and lack of credibility of the democrat party in their perpetual fraud and intentions to mislead and deceive the people.
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The Debt To the Penny
Current Amount
05/08/2006 $8,361,088,635,034.39
Current
Month
05/05/2006 $8,357,004,387,013.42
05/04/2006 $8,355,169,281,082.87
05/03/2006 $8,359,417,405,652.46
05/02/2006 $8,365,365,674,396.50
05/01/2006 $8,351,568,193,125.12
Prior
Months
04/28/2006 $8,355,718,074,718.49
03/31/2006 $8,371,156,293,376.33
02/28/2006 $8,269,885,515,386.04
01/31/2006 $8,196,070,437,599.52
12/30/2005 $8,170,424,541,313.62
11/30/2005 $8,092,322,205,720.65
10/31/2005 $8,027,123,404,214.36
Prior Fiscal
Years
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT
Please show me where there is a plus sign above. From the looks of it a more accurate statement from the dems would in fact be that the deficit has doubled in the 8 years under Clinton, right?
I done for tonight , maybe I’ll pick where I left off tomorrow God willing. And no I’m not a Religious freek because I mentioned the word God , Haven’t been to church in years prior to my two Uncles funerals last month. Goodnight.
“The CIA has been at war with this Administration for years being the very liberal organization that it is engaging in treasonous leaks.”
I get it. It is the “liberal CIA” that is after Bush.
You wingnuts just get funnier and funnier.
Thanks for the laugh.
I notice you still cannot answer the question, even with the facts right in front of your face.
If you guys think the Dems have been doing well lately…..yikes.
Posted by: Scoop Jackson at May 9, 2006 04:54 PM
Unfortunately being a whore pays better then being a saint. That simple truth explains every Republican victory since the 50s.
Unfortunately being a whore pays better then being a saint. That simple truth explains every Republican victory since the 50s.
Posted by: John Gillnitz at May 9, 2006 11:30 PM
I should clarify that the above only applies to Presidential elections. The Republican party started acting more like Amway in the mid ’90s.
Rob.
You are really begenning to freak me out.
I point out that Bush is running the largest deficits in our nations history in part financed by our Social Security program and you respond….. “Excuse me financed by what ? I believe is called the peoples tax dollar”.
What?. I just don’t understand what you are now telling us.
Do you not know that we have been financing our deficits with our Social Security program. It has been done for many years Rob. Our Tax payers dollars are not nearly enough to sustain Government spending that’s why we call the deficits.
The mith about a budget surplus? I tell you what go to Clinton Economic Statistics. Type Surplus. And at least learn something.
Again, Rob unestly you need to stop what you are doing. Research a bit before you go on your rants. I hate to tell you (Please don’t feel insulted) but you are comming across as a hard head, and an uninformed lowd mouth.
You are confusing the numbers. You went to a great lenght to put numbers that reflect the overall balance of account of our federal government. I nore any Democrat is claiming that Clinton erased all the debt that the federal government has accumulated for the past 60 years. I was talking about surpluses that the Clinton administration produced after Federal Budgets were presented. Bush inherited these surpluses. They were in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
The Klooless Konservative Bloggers Poll Interpretation Manifesto:
Republican President:
Poll Numbers High: An obvious sign that America is on track due to convervative values permeating the heartland.
Poll Numbers Low: Polls are merely reflecting the medias liberal bias and the republicans unflagging moral leadership in spite of polls.
Democratic President:
Poll Numbers High: Polls are merely reflecting the medias liberal bias and the democratics slavish deference to polls.
Poll Numbers Low: An obvious sign that America is on track due to convervative values permeating the heartland.
cubanbob.
The Democrats died in 1968 because Clinton and Carter were Democrats from the South?.
That is really brilliant logic!!.
Is funny how a dead party in 1968 was in control of the Senate and the Congress, and over 60 % of the governorships in our nation.
How would you call them … The Somby party?.
Who is telling you that all the Democrats are is liberals?. Are the Republicans only composed of Right Wing nuts?.
If no Democrat liberal has been elected for president since pilot W went missing in Alabama for the duration of his training who cares?.
The Dems have lost the last five cycles. So?. Can you please tell me how many cycles did the Republicans loose before re-gaining congress? A hell of a lot more than 5 correct?. Did that make the Republicans a bunch of loosers?. Not in my opinion. Politics go in cycles that is all. If you are smart politician you catch the cycle, or see the trend. Right now the trend is again going the Dems way.
As for the Democratic plan for change. If they are smart they will hold on to the plan for as long as they can. Let the Republicans self destruct (They are doing a great job). Then toward the end (around September) go all out with a plan. That gives them shock value, while at the same time denies your opponent of the time to establish a counterattack.
After going back to read more crap from you, Gil I won’t bother wasting anymore time tomorrow picking up where I left off because it is perfectly clear now that you are two faced fork tongue embicile.
“and an attempt was made to impeach him on perjury charges about basically a blow job .The attempt FAILED”.
He was impeached in the House of Representatives and democrats were disgusted with Clinton. It was the complatency and failure of the Senate to do their “Elected Duty” and Impeach the Criminal Lying Traitor Clinton. You probably think it was a coinicidence that the Senate vote was 50-50. How do translate that as a victory for Clinton? Only a Clinton Apologist would . THEY DID THE SCHMUCK A FAVOR RATHER THAN FURTHER EMBARRASS OUR COUNTRY OR MAYBE IT WAS THOSE HUNDREDS OF FBI FILES THAT THEY KEPT AT THE READY. Oh by the way , how about releasing those 110 pages from the Barret report if you think your dear Clinton is such upstanding human being or Fraud Kerry?
The shame and embarrassment that our Country currently undures is a direct result of the Senate failing in their duty to uphold the law and investigate and prosecute the most corrupt democrat jackal to disgrace the White House and this Country. Because they let this jackoff off the hook regardless if they had their FBI files and threatened to smear them with their LIBERAL MEDIA AS WAS COMMON PRACTICE with “THE CLINTONS”.
WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE AND WILL CONTINUE TO FOR YEARS. The democrats are in the Minority because of Clinton and Clinton’s troubles and problems were Clinton made. Your ignorance is blinding and makes you look like a fool but then so do your democrat leaders so in your eyes you are perfectly normal.
From now on , why don’t you prove with multiple links , facts and witnesses the bullshit you repeat from your handlers. I wonder if Prosecutors get tired of prosecuting democrats especially when they act worse than the most spoiled brat?
I’ve written a response on the Political Forecast, entitled “Polls, Principles, and Pragmatism” regarding the nature of this debate. I attempted a trackback, but the version of WordPress I’m using seems to have a bug I can’t currently fix. Anyone wishing to read it can go here:
http://www.politicalforecast.net/2006/05/09/polls-principles-and-pragmatism/
Whoops. Latest NYT/CBS poll matches USA/Gallup, at 31%.
Clearly, they must have polled the exact same people. Only POSSIBLE explanation.
Just like the only POSSIBLE explanation for CBS/NYT, CNN, USA/Gallup, Fox/Opinion, AP-Ipsos, Cook/RT, NBC/WSJ, Pew, LAT/Bloomberg, Time, and Newsweek’s polls to ALL show Bush CONSISTENTLY falling in a tailspin into the low thirties over the last few weeks is…you guessed it…that DAGNABBIT liberal-biased reality. (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm)
And the *Democrats* are the ones in denial, you say? Fascinating.
See you in November…
Bluedog asks, “As a republican, would you favor bombing Iran to help hold on to congress?”
As an American, I favor bombing Iran before they get nuclear weapons, regardless of what effect it has on who controls Congress.
astig —
I’m in Boston, and willing to put that much on the line (just because I won’t have to make a special trip to do it) — but your idea is much more efficient.
They do have 12 packs (bottles) in microbrews up here. Harpoon IPA on my end.
Now to find just the right t-shirt for ya. Would that be extra small? (heh heh)
Yes, “Bush doesn’t care about polls”. How do we know, because he told us. And he’s not a liar. How do we know? Because he told us.
All praise the Dear Leader, for we should all be so principled.
Bush doesn’t care about opinion polls — in fact, Bush truly doesn’t give a damn about what the American Majority wants or even cares about. Bush couldn’t care less if 100% of the public demanded, for example, an increase in the minimum wage. He’d ignore them and do what he wanted, even if it were the exact opposite of what the majority of the American people wanted.
Democracy! Bush prides himself on not giving a damn on what the will of the people! Bush swears by jesus Almighty that he will decide what is “good” or “bad” and the opinion of the majority is irrevelant and meaningless.
Again, hurray of democracy under Bush! The People Don’t Matter! One more time for the Republicans who, apparently, are totally ignorant of what a democracy is: Bush Doesn’t care What The People Want Or Think.
He is, by any definition, a king or a constitution dictator (albeit one with term limits)
He cares about the Mexs and the Homos too!
Now, you say I’m a Republican, which I’m not.
Posted by Jay Tea
Poor Jay Tea – now he can’t even admit an association with the republicans. Hahahahaha.
Proves the adage that there’s no honor amoung thieves. Hahahaha
Why do republicans (and those who don’t even admit to being republicans anymore) hate the USA so MUCH?
Im not a bush supporter
Posted by: chimangaconquistador at May 9, 2006 04:41 PM
Hahahahaha. How pathetic this site has become. Now all the Bush apologists are denying that they’re republitards and “bush supporters”!!!
Boy, and to think back on how arrogant the “conservatives” and “libertarians” (remember: they are NOT repulicans, and Richard Nixon is NOT a crook) were just a few short months ago.
“However Davel, you cannot pretend to speak or know what 100,000,000 voters individually think or what they will choose next election..”
You’re completely right on that score, YoursTruly. My speculation about what’s on voters’ minds and what that’ll translate to in November is just my opinion. Didn’t mean to present it as fact, apologies if I seemed to.
“I think the claims were along the lines of saddam had no ties to al quaeda or terrorism which of course were just as false as the no WMDS argument? they were simply moved during the long run up to the war!”
That’s the clarification I was looking for. I thought Rob was going to say that somehow the Dems invented the idea that the admin had linked Saddam and Al Qaeda.
However, the question of Saddam’s terrorist links is not settled. Certainly the validity of the claimed link to Al Qaeda is debated (I don’t buy it).
Finally, if we went to war, and as a result the WMD have gone off to parts unknown, that makes the invasion doubly stupid. I was suprised no one made that point during the runup.
Rob.
February 12 1999. The Senate found Clinton NOT GUILTY that is the extent of your Bull Shit impeachment pal. The vote was NOT 50-50 it was 45 in favor 55 against. Republicans controlled the Senate, and the House. The not guilty vote was bi-partisan. As with Clinton’s surplus you confuse the facts. I talk about a surplus in the Federal Budget, and you come back with the General Balance on the National Debt, I talk about an impeachment, you talk about impeachment articles that were voted down. You are either very confused, or down right IGNORANT.
I don’t have to consult my remarks, I just have to live in reality (I strongly sugest you do the same). You need to get out of the hole you are and watch the news on TV, read the newspapers, and get some fresh air.
By the way, let me give you an idea as to how you sound on any issue (maibe it will snap you out of your mentality).
You patetic attempts to defend Bush the traitor are those of a two tong imbecile.
The stupid, corrupt Republicans are going to loose all the power they live for. All the investigations into their corrupt society are unmaskig them as to what they are, a bunch of corrupt bastards.
Sounds like you?. Would you consider I went the deep end if you read this kind of crap?. If you do I would not blame you.
By the way just a reminder. The subject of this blog is Bush’s poll numbers not Clinton’s record. You hatred of Clinton sounds to me rather unhealthy and extreme. Have you consider some therapy?.