(Note: I really don’t have any conclusions here, just a collection of thoughts. Feel free to discuss things among yourselves.)
On the radio the other day, I heard a commentator discussing how President Bush’s approval ratings have fallen even lower. The number I heard was 31%, but that is being challenged — it seems the pollsters once again over-sampled Democrats.
But the particulars aren’t overly important. The commentator said that Bush’s numbers are lower than Clinton’s ever were — and that Clinton would never let his numbers get that bad. Clinton lived and died by polls, by people’s approval, and would have found some way to reverse things. Bush, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to care much for polls; he has his own beliefs and principles, and he stands by them solidly.
A long time ago, I was heavily involved in campus politics. A friend of mine and I were discussing the merits. I backed one candidate as a true believer, a sincere and decent guy. Walter, though, backed a guy who I described as a pure political animal, one who was interested in power and self-aggrandizement. He was lining himself up for a post-college political career, and saw student government as a mere stepping-stone on the way.
Walter’s argument was simple: his guy was someone you could depend on, you could work with. You could get him on your side just by making sure he understood how it would be to his benefit. It was a cold, pragmatic approach, and it repulsed me.
In the end, my guy won and Walter’s lost. And my guy was a disaster.
That’s the problem with the true believers — they rarely end up mediocre. They are either great successes, or great failures. My guy flopped. (It’s so bad that I don’t even remember who the hell he was, but I still remember Walter and his guy, James.)
So, Bush is a true believer, as opposed to Clinton the pragmatist. Reagan and FDR were true believers, but so was Carter. Nixon was, at his core, a pragmatist.
The other element of the polling that struck me is that politics is not a zero-sum game, especially when it comes to polls. Bush’s falling approval do not necessarily mean that his opponents are rising — because they aren’t. There is no ascending star on the Democratic side, just a bunch of retreads, has-beens, and never-weres who think they can capitalize on the numbers to boost themselves — and they can’t.
There’s an old saying in politics that you can’t beat someone with no one. It’s the principle that’s kept Ted and Patrick Kennedy (alias Old Pint and Half Pint) in office. And even though Bush can’t run again, he’s still somebody, and his designated successor will have that going for him (or her). The Democrats need to find someone that people can vote for, for a change — running as “I’m not George W. Bush” hasn’t worked for them yet.
(Update: Iowa Liberal whines that his trackback excoriating me (well, kicking sand on my shoes and stamping his feet) was blocked. Here you go, jb. Sorry to ruin your paranoid persecution complex.)
Polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in “reality.” And reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Moochie
Hes your president too! unless your from Mehico or something? Why would the former administration give instructions to place Al Quaeda as #1 enemy in the transfer meetings? they never did anything about Al Quaeda in 8 years and then pass the responsibility on to whoever comes next? utterly pathetic. what was “your” president doing during all the ninetys Al attacks? getting a BJ i bet. the head of the CIA was a Willey holdover not a bush yes man. I personally think all politicians are contemptible! however the lying is even more disgusting.
Democrats are immoral incompetant pieces of shit. That’s 100% of the currently informed of the democrat corruption , criminal activity, treason and election fraud. Those that blindly vote democrat I can’t label as such including myself and my mother. So now I must ask why after awaking from my political coma and after voting democrat for almost 20 yrs, why I voted for George W Bush on Nov. 2 2004? You have to be in a complete political coma or a criminal communist piece of shit to vote for the “FRAUDS” aka the democrat party.
You would think that I would defend the democrats having voted for them the majority of my adult life. Now I would like nothing more to see their stupid phony asses lined up and shot in their sinister malicious slanderous heads. After all the penalty for treason if I’m not mistaked is still death unless the Commycrats have pussified that too.
It’s no mistake that Fraud Kerry and that bitter hag Hilary Rodham were not only proud of the fact that over 80% of felons vote Democrat , they wanted change the law not on the behalf of felons but for their greedy criminal lust for power. The Democrat leadership are no different from those felons behind bars where they themselves belong. They are just more fortunate than most because of name recognition(Kennedy’s) to get away with murder and crime. Their shameless ability to tell bold face lies to the masses like an actor shedding a tear on que. Is it any wonder that the majority of actors are democrats as well are the lamestream Media? These type of people were not fooling people even in the Biblical days. For in those days actors were looked upon with distrust and called “HYPOCRITES”.
As far as polls are concerned the question rarely asked is who’s taking them and why. This is one of the many tools in use by the democrat party in their perpetual fraud . Like their liberal professors , union leaders , race baiters in the black community , latino group mecha , and the democrat frauds never ending lies and slander via their MSM. I don’t recall much of the Clinton Impeachment days except for one name , Ken Star. Wonder why. And the fact that Clintons approval ratings were well over 60% while he commits perjury and is being Impeached. While george W Bush has ratings in the 30’s has commited no crimes , is going after those that repeatedly attacked us , whose tax cuts got us out of an inherited recession multiplied by the terrorist attracks destroying the Twin Towers, did in days what the Russians couldn’t do in ten years in Afghanstan and took down the murderous dictator ,declared enemy of the United States as recognized by the Clinton Admin when BJ wrote the Iraqi Liberation Act. And all this while under attack by the petulant infantile failed minority democrats.
Like children they think that low job approval transtlates to a Democrat vote while ingoring the fact that their lies fraud and criminal dishonesty lost my vote for the rest of my voting days. Stupid assholes, being the Minority Party is to good and more than they deserve, the democrat party should be disolved period.
I would rather the prez get a BJ than walk hand-in-hand with a member of the Saudi royal family post 9/11. That would be a start, no? Saudi Arabia is the one resource Al Qaeda cannot live without – source of funds, recruits and religious legitmacy. And Pakistan cannot control the “lawless regions” despite the fact that they are home to numerous infantry and armored divisions guarding against the Indian military. And these are our friends in the fight? C’mon, man. We all want to win the war, but are we picking the right allies?
By the end of the Clinton admin they recognized that Al Qaeda was a serious threat. And that is, I think, also an admission that they did not do a great job of handling the threat. Or they recognized it was a different animal. Anyway, they recognized their mistakes and were plotting a new course (what a novel idea). The reason that they treated it as a law enforcement issue was so that there would be no “us vs them”, “east v west” struggle – and that this was inportant to the Saudis / Pakistanis / Arab Street / blahblahblah. Now we know that was not part of OBL’s equation, but there it is.
W’s response, according to the account in Cobra II, was to say nothing and refocus on Iraq. We can all speculate why. So when threats came in he felt that it was just some a-holes hanging out in the desert mouthing off. In addition, Condi Rice was a Cold War expert who deal in nation-state threats. They were not an opponeny W could sink his teeth into. Iraq, however…
And Tenet was a Bush fanatic! He loved the W!
Rob, you need a drink. No, you really need a drink. Does this have anything to do with the Clippers being better than the Lakers?
You should try to get Steve Nash deported under those new anti-immigrant laws.
Wow, nuff said!
Yes that Pakistan thing has bothered me for a longggg time, the hell with letting them exist just because their hiding in Pakistan the same way they were setting up in afghanistan. i think some targeted drone hits are in order.
Man, those Republicans are jumping off the Hindenburg like rats from a burning dirigible.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA stop it your killing me! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA please stop it I can’t breath! HA AH HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA the decider in chief can’t take a bowel movement without taking a poll. The coward of Crawford TX will not go home because of war protesters, what a lame excuse for a President.
Jimbo,
Sorry loser , scream and cry is what the failed incompetant Minority democrats do. Keep thinking that your loser party speaks for the Majority as they continue to loose the ass at every election.
“There are more Democrats than Republicans and that has always been true.What the pollsters are accurately capturing is that people are defecting from the Republican Party in droves”.
More wishful thinking , keep having your wet dreams that goes for the rest of you democrat supporting idiots. The fact that you are here proves that you in light of the facts continue to support the belly crawling dims . I’m a registered democrat , got my fist computer months before Nov.2 2004 thank God and will never vote for the lying c**k suckers again. So screw all you bed wetting sore losers who have a choice and still choose to be stupid ignorant losers. No one in their right mind who knows the facts and the truth for that matter can in good conscience even consider a vote for this current collection of pond scum disguised as the so called democrat party.
You guys are a lot more optimistic about the midterms than the head of the Republican party. Melman warned a bunch of repubs the other night that the Dems could pick up close to 45 seats in the house. Now, he’s probably sandbagging, but since the Dems only need about 16 seats for a majority, and Dems have about a 10 to 18% lead in congressional polls, repubs are looking pretty shaky these days.
Rob, you are one sick puppy. It looks like all that raging self-loathing and doubt is bubbling to the surface. Why don’t you take a time-out.
Maybe He just does not like their B.O.?
AH Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ohh i cant stop! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HeeHee Ha Ha Ha Cyndy stinks! Pewww Ha Ha Stop it Laura Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha RealityisBS hA hA hA what a lame excuse for Frankens lover..
Hey, Mooch
How about your BJ president’s veep taking money from the bin Laden family for a speaking engagement in Saudi Arabia?
How about the BJ president going to Dubai (for $300,000) in December 05, and saying : “Dubai is a role model of what could be achieved despite the other negative developments in the region.”
I guess he was for Dubai too. Actually, he and Bob Dole were supporters of the Dubai ports deal.
Dick Moron said: “they never did anything about Al Quaeda in 8 years and then pass the responsibility on to whoever comes next?”
On the day that Clinton was 45 minutes late in his attempt to kill bin Laden with cruise missles, he had spent the entire morning in deposition answering questions about oral sex. I think it’s fair to point out that Clinton tried to fight terrorism IN SPITE of the republican congress and the republican congress thwarted a number of Clinton administration attempts to deal with the threat. Please keep in mind the republicans’ reaction to the Gore commission suggestions and imagine what implimenting any one of these might have done on 9-11.
“How about your BJ president’s veep taking money from the bin Laden family for a speaking engagement in Saudi Arabia?”
Excuse me, but the Bush family’s relationship with the bin Laden family goes back to the late ’70s. Osama’s uncle was the first and largest investor in GW’s first oil company, Airbusto. The most powerful prince in Saudi Arabia is known affectionately by the Bush family as “Bandar Bush.”
Bluedog
oh really was,nt that convenient timing! If it was such a high priority why did He not continue the pursuit 45 minutes after the hearings then? or better yet use something a ‘little bigger” to make sure the area was eviscerated. how many cruise missiles did Willy launch Hmmmn? why did He not order them fired wether or not He was busy Hmmmn? how ridiculous your rationalizing of the Leech from Littlerock is..
Most of all I believe in this president. Now, I know there are some polls out there saying this man has a 32 percent approval rating. But guys like us, we don’t pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in “reality.” And reality has a well-known liberal bias.
So, Mr. President, pay no attention to the people that say the glass is half full. Pay no attention to the people who say the glass is half empty, because 32 percent means it’s 2/3 empty. There’s still some liquid in that glass is my point, but I wouldn’t drink it. The last third is usually backwash.
Folks, my point is that I don’t believe this is a low point in this presidency. I believe it is just a lull, before a comeback. I mean, it’s like the movie “Rocky.” The president is Rocky and Apollo Creed is everything else in the world. It’s the 10th round. He’s bloodied, his corner man [is] Mick, who in this case would be the vice president, and he’s yelling “Cut me, Dick, cut me,” and every time he falls she says stay down! Does he stay down? No. Like Rocky, he gets back up and in the end he — actually loses in the first movie. OK. It doesn’t matter. The point is the heart-warming story of a man who was repeatedly punched in the face.
So don’t pay attention to the approval ratings that say 68 percent of Americans disapprove of the job this man is doing. I ask you this, does that not also logically mean that 68 percent approve of the job he’s not doing? Think about it. I haven’t.
I stand by this man. I stand by this man because he stands for things. Not only for things, he stands on things. Things like aircraft carriers and rubble and recently flooded city squares. And that sends a strong message that no matter what happens to America, she will always rebound with the most powerfully staged photo ops in the world.
Poochzilla
Why would I need a drink for. I’m not the one crying like bitter fool trying to polish a turd aka the corrupt lying democrat party on this site.
RealitynotBS,
“HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA the decider in chief can’t take a bowel movement without taking a poll. The coward of Crawford TX will not go home because of war protesters, what a lame excuse for a President”.
Your fist sentence perfectly describes your failed impeached BJ Clinton the rapist. The same maggot that knowingly sold taited blood I believe it was to Canada while Gov. of Arkansas. As far as the Coward part of your drivel, you got your head up your ass. President Bush flew a plane in the National Guard more dangerous than inhaling Marijuana. Clinton the draft dodger too stupid to even know how to smoke pot correctly. Now that’s a lame excuse for a President. Besides sounding like a complete Bi$ch care to make ass of yourself with anymore of your childish statements?
rQN¬ “How about your BJ president’s veep taking money from the bin Laden family for a speaking engagement in Saudi Arabia?”
George H.W. Bush once was paid $1 million to speak to a group in Saudi Arabia. Are you over three times as outraged over that?
Its definitely an oversample. Clinton did basically the same thing with the Chinese port deals in the 90’s and where was Clinton when Al Qaeda started attacking in the 90’s???? Did Clinton really mean he was sorry for not taking any action against the genocide in Rwanda even though he was getting daily updates????. Why did he not take action in the Sudan???? Why did he withdraw from Somalia????
OK, Dick, can you or any of your friends name even one thing congressional republicans did to help Clinton fight terrorism? Gore’s commission on airport safety suggested reinforced cockpit doors, armed fire marshals on all commercial flights and increased security at check-in. How did the republican party respond? Since you don’t seem to remember, I’ll tell you. Republicans repeated what airline industry lobbyists told them to say: that Gore’s suggestions were a “political stunt” and too expensive to impliment anyway. Dick, that’s fighting terrorism republican style — do what corporations tell you to do.
rob.
You need Valium pal…. And a good shrink.
All you have is a bunch of shit to trow. No real ideas. Back your words with numbers and statistics if you can big mouth.
No , You said that the Bush family were friends of the Saudi,s! I would be more interested in the reasons why Clinton gets paid? whats His connection ..
Chris cummins: “where was Clinton when Al Qaeda started attacking in the 90’s????”
When Clinton attacked a Sudanese chemical factory based on CIA intelligence reports, he was roundly criticized by republicans. When he attempted to kill bin Laden with a cruise missle attack, republicans said he was “wagging the dog.” Condolezza Rice complained that Clinton was “personalizing” the war on terrorism by spending too much time thinking about Osama bin Laden. This is history, man. Catch up!
Democrats would have you believe they care and stand for something besides their own criminal greed and lust for power like a magician would have you believe he just made the Statue of Liberty disappear. Their is just one huge difference, one is called a magic trick (Illusion) and the other fraud(REAL).
Rob,
A more self-hating Democrat I have never run across. That is, if you really are a Democrat.
I have been registered as an independent or Green ever since I finished my term of duty in the military. I was a registered Democrat for all of four years of my life. And I am 41 now. You do the math.
I think that the Democrats are weak willed, corrupt and poll driven. But the Republicans, or at least the Neocon and Christian Right version in power today are worse. Much worse.
I never voted for Clinton, never voted for Gore and in fact almost never vote for Democrats, period. I am the kind of person who spent 100 hours of his own time getting an initiative on the ballot in my home town of San Francisco to make it harder for scumbags like Willie Brown to do their back room political dealings. I am much more interested in clean government and good government than ideology.
But I realized around 2004 that we had simply the worst possible combination of corruption, incompetence, cronyism and arrogance running the country. The Dems aren’t much, but they are all America has to stop the tide of Bushbot idiocy. So I donated $2000 and many weekends of my time trying to get Kerry elected. This election I intend to do tenfold what I did last time.
See, what you partisan zealots don’t realize is that most of us don’t really care that much which group of fools is running the country: most of us just want to be left alone to raise our families and go about our business in peace. But occasionally the idiots in charge do such a bad job that we have to go in there and make sure they are thrown out. 2006 is one of those years.
I kind of doubt that the Democrats will take the Senate in 2006, just because the game is so stacked in the incumbents favor and only 1/3 of the seats are open. But I am willing to take your bet about The House. When the currently Republican Congressman from Wyoming is worried about his seat, you know the tide has turned.
Turns out that Karl Rove’s dream of a “permanent Republican majority” is about as long lived as Hitler’s Thousand Year Reich. Marginally more successful though, I will grant that.
Now if the GOP can actually get their act together and nominate a moderate candidate of decent character, like Guiliani for example, you will have my vote. But the chance that pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-civil rights candidate will make it past the Republican primary is pretty much zero.
chimangaconquistador.
Of course the polls of 90% approval for Bush after 9/11 it came from the same people!!. Like the Galup poll. Respected around the world.
The poll industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. Whay? Because it works!!. Politicians live and die by the polls. i am surprised you care to comment about politics and you don’t know this basic fact.
Virgo, Clinton is one of the most sought after public speakers in the world. As an Oxford PhD in Economics, he was probably talking about international monetary policy or something like that. And, he get’s paid. I thought you guys were capitalists.
BLUE DOG
Gore suggested all this? I suggest that i am going to win the lottery ! doesnt make it happen. you still have to initiate your ideas and see them through , otherwise its just shoulda coulda woulda.
Rob,
Here is a chart of Party ID over the years:
http://www.umich.edu/~nes/nesguide/toptable/tab2a_1.htm
Please tell me in which year the percentage of self-identified Republicans exceeded the percentage of self-identified Democrats.
You only embarass yourself with rants like your previous one. At least bother to do two minutes of Googling before confidently stating your opinion as fact.
Rob: “Democrats would have you believe they care and stand for something besides their own criminal greed and lust for power”
Rob, we’ve seen a number of indictments and some arrests for criminal and civil crimes lately and, strangely, all have been republicans. With a highly politicized Bush Justice Department, I would have thought we’d see some Dems by now. I’m sure you have a reasonable, level-headed explanation for this.
Bluedog
You mean You dont know what clinton was speaking about? than you cant possibly know the reasons why He was paid??
Virgo, it wasn’t as simple (or simple minded) as a mere suggestion. Gore was given the job of running a presidential commission on airline safety with respect to terrorism. His commission came up with suggestions for legislation congress could consider. They rejected all of the commission’s suggestions out of hand at the demand of the airline industry. Republicans called it “politics.” I just point out that if Gore had had his way, 9-11 may have never happened.
Virgo: “You mean You dont know what clinton was speaking about? than you cant possibly know the reasons why He was paid??”
Hard to respond to such an inane statement, but I wasn’t invited to the event. But, Clinton was paid to speak and gave a speech. He’s given hundreds of speeches for money just like all of them do if they can. I don’t see what the issue is here.
stephen colvert.
You can believe wherever you want. You can create your own reality. As long as we talk about the future you can hope.
The reality TODAY IN THE PRESENT is that Bush stands at the lowest valley of his presidency. He won it fare and square. Kathrina, The Dubai port debacle, illegal imigration, record budget deficits, a prescription drug program that only 30% of seniors like, the war in Iraq, etc, etc.
In November we will see. As it stands today I can tell you it does not look good for the Reps. Is a simple statement based in reality nothing else.
Why yes bluedog, they,re not using the justice department to intimidate political opponents like the former did.
Bush’s current 65% disapproval rating is the second-highest ever recorded for a president. Dick Nixon’s 66% disapproval in the weeks before he resigned nudges Bush out for the worst ever recorded. In addition, only once before has Gallup ever had a disapproval rating more than twice the approval and that was also Nixon.
Gil,
You me like with polls or something? Or how about this. Besides , since when did the facts or the truth ever deter the Rats and their Media.
T H E P R O G R E S S I V E R E V I E W
The Clinton Legacy
The Progressive Review
This list was compiled at the end of the Clinton administration.
Our Clinton Scandal Index
RECORDS SET
– The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
– Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
– Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
– Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
– Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
– First president sued for sexual harassment.
– First president accused of rape.
– First first lady to come under criminal investigation
– Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
– First president to establish a legal defense fund.
– First president to be held in contempt of court
– Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
– Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
– First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.
Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in “Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: “By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.”
STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION
– Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
– Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
– Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
– Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
CRIME STATS
– Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
– Number of these convictions during Clinton’s presidency: 33
– Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
– Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
– Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
– Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
– Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
– Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.
OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.
ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER’S
Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O’Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697
Dick: “Why yes bluedog, they,re not using the justice department to intimidate political opponents like the former did.”
I’m sure you have a legitimate example of this kind of behavior that will stand to a little scrutiny. The only questionable behavior in that regard that I remember is that of Kenneth Starr’s staff. But, I know you’re not suggesting that the Bush Justice Department wouldn’t prosecute a Democrat if they had the chance.
gil
i would say more then 30% cant even understand it?boy the sky is falling isnt it?
So now I must ask why after awaking from my political coma and after voting democrat for almost 20 yrs, why I voted for George W Bush on Nov. 2 2004? You have to be in a complete political coma or a criminal communist piece of shit to vote for the “FRAUDS” aka the democrat party.
Somehow I find it hard to believe that for twenty years you belonged to a party you don’t even know the name of. It is the Democratic Party, only talk radio twits have started calling it the “democrat party” in some weird attempt to belittle it.
Everyone who laughs at posters who claim to have been lifelong Republicans (excuse me, members of the Republic Party) who switched because of Bush, laugh at Rob, he is the flipside to that coin.
Rob, I’m not sure which dark hole you pulled that nonsense out of, but it’s full of historical untruth. No member of the Clinton administration was ever indicted for a crime of any kind committed in the process of doing their duty. Yes, Cisneros was caught for tax evasion, but that was related to paying off a mistress before he became a member of the Clinton administration. The record for the most indictments is the Reagan administration. And, by your post, I assume you agree that it was worthwhile for congress to investigate the missing file boxes as a matter of our right to privacy. Since you are no doubt consistent in your views, you must be angry with our current congress for not investigating the possible misuse of wiretapping American citizens.
No, the main thing George Bush cares about is bass fishing, as evidenced by his comment that the best moment of the last five years was hooking a 7.5 pounder. Bush doesn’t care at all about the Presidency, the country or the rest of the world. Just his vacations.
Rob: “- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14”
In 1994, the republican-led Resolution Trust Corporation after an extensive investigation concluded that the Clintons had done nothing wrong with respect to Whitewater. Neil Bush, on the other hand, was responsible for the collapse of Silverado Savings, which cost the taxpayers over $1 Billion. He has been banned from the Savings and Loan industry.
David
You comment that reality has a well-known liberal bias in reference to the present polls.
How so?. If the polls favor Bush as they did after 9/11 are they also liberal? How can that be?
Polls are apolitical. Pollsters are profesionals, not spiners.
They put the numbers, and people like us spin them any way we want.
Some others like Rob on this blog simply can’t handle reality and numbers, have a psycothic episode and start insulting all Democrats incoherently.
Since most of the posters here are woefully deficient on the historic details of our last administration, why don’t we focus on the current one. The reason Bush’s numbers are so bad is that the myths which were built up around him have broken down. The aw-shucks, steely-eyed resolve, cowboy act doesn’t work if people question your competence. In addition, people have come to understand that Bush rarely says anything new — he keeps repeating the same things over and over. Plus, he’s always been a phony and that shows through after awhile. How can people continue to view him as a rugged cowboy when he’s never on a horse? He’s a guy who wears cowboy boots and cowboy hats, but doesn’t ride because he’s afraid of horses. That’s the definition of “poser” and I think in time people catch on to that. And, I haven’t even gotten to the worst foreign policy disaster in generations, a disaster that he and his people have brought upon us with lies and deceit.
Blue dog i,ll refer You to Robs post above and say no more. good night.
sincerely Dick Morass a good Clintonite! ohh the stories i could tell?
When I try to post a link to a fact based site, the University of Michigan survey, I get blocked as a spammer.
Whatever.
Type “anes guide to political behavior” into Google, go to the first link, then to the “Partisanship” link (#2) then to the # Table 2A.2. Party Identification 3-Point Scale link and tell me where on there the GOP ever had a larger percentage than the Democrats.
Actually, I realized that with his latest rant Rob has officially fallen into pointless-troll-repeating-Rush-Limbaugh-talking-points land and is probably a hopeless person to attempt to have an honest debate with.
Enjoy your twisted version of reality Rob, I hope it makes you happy. Don’t blow your brains out when your heros are all thrown out of office in 2006 and 08.
gil, simple they knew that was the right side to be on thats why…