John Hawkins and other bloggers occasionally quote outrageous statements they find posted at The Democratic Underground. Some of those quotes are pretty shocking, but since the posters are anonymous I sometimes wonder if they are all written by crazed liberals or if some are left by jokesters. I find that preferable to believing there are so many crazy people out there.
This blog post from Robert at Thorn Tree is on the front page, though, not hidden in the comments section or part of a message board. The post is in reaction to the news of a film depicting the assassination of George Bush, which I blogged here yesterday.
Several comments to make on this:
First of all to all the lefty bloggers out there falling all over yourselves to say “Of course, I wouldn’t want the president killed”, shut the hell up. You know you would do a little dance if someone whacked that idiot. You just want to appear “above” such a thing.
Secondly, the only real problem I have is that he’s gunned down. Too quick. A flash of pain and then the big dirt nap. For Bush I would prefer bone cancer, flesh-eating bacteria, or perhaps one of those deadly four hour erections we keep hearing about.
Alright, seriously. I would prefer Bush spend the rest of his life in a cell, tried and convicted of war crimes, but somehow I just don’t think it’s going to happen. So I can only hope for him to suffer in some other way.
Sad that I’ve been reduced to wishing great physical agony and death to my fellow humans but I truly believe that he deserves to suffer. Many right bloggers refer to my kind of hatred as Bush Derangement Syndrome, but I prefer to call it a yearning for karmic justice. This president has overseen the most criminal, arrogantly stupid, and homicidal administration in American history. He, and his partners in crime, deserve whatever horrors that karma may have in store for them.
As for Bush’s cheerleaders on the Internet, such as the creepy Anchoress (who, by the way, is another right wing blogger that doesn’t allow comments because she’s such a coward) I can only hope that someone they care for deeply dies in one of Bush’s wars of choice.
That seems fair.
Been saving up lots of dark thoughts. Can you tell?
See D.J. Drummond’s related post below.
Update: Beth at My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy thinks this is just a small sampling of such anti-Bush craziness.
This is cross-posted at Right Wing News, where I am guest blogging today.
Drew wrote:
“Let’s agree on one thing..our civil war was a military attempt by southern states to DESTROY the United State of America…”
Oh? Is that really what the war was about? Who exactly delcared war upon whom? Which ‘side’ was negating the entire premise of the Constitution which called for ulitmate authority to reside within state legistlators? Which states carried larger federal taxes because those goods were taxed more?
It’s as if you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about yet you go around and claim you do. Have you actually opened that history book your grade school teacher gave you this school year or is there still a glass of herbal tea resting on the General Motors book cover?
(Ignoring the little war in this thread)
This “thorntree” guy is a real piece of work. This rant of his is just sick, but not surprising. And did you see how he responded to the commenters? Specifically, to this one?
Major K said…
My wife of 26 years and the mother of my two children died in 1997 of the so-called “flesh-eating bacteria,” leaving me a widower and single parent to my seven-year-old daughter. Thanks for the flashback a**hole!
Thu Aug 31, 11:59:56 PM
Here’s the asscrumb’s response to him:
Major K: Yes and my uncle died from a four hour erection. You’re a moron.
Real charming guy.
THAT is the kind of hateful filth I see all the time on these moonbat sites–wishing harm upon and celebrating tragedy that befalls other AMERICANS. Just like the cackling when Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig were kidnapped–because they work for Fox News! WTF! And of course, the infamous “Screw ’em.”
For those above who keep throwing around Ann Coulter’s name: I’ve seen far, FAR more people on the right distancing themselves from her since she started going over the line (i.e. with the Lincoln Chaffee crap) than I’ve seen defending her remarks. But you need to remember: she’s just one person, but the left is FULL of bomb-throwing extremists, from blog commenters to nationally syndicated columnists and radio and TV commentators. It’s pathetic.
Beth-
Alexander McClure right here at Politics Wizbang was one of the first to take her to task.
Oy!-another point that is often forgotten is National Review fired her.
I hate to chime into an insult fest, but Mantis, Nazis were not right-wing and neither is/was fascism, though the site you linked to clearly believes both are and were.
Spare me the fascism/Nazis aren’t right wing garbage. I’ve heard this time and again from either very ignorant-types who believe that the word socialist in National Socialist means that the Nazis were left-wing, or from people willfully dissembling history because they think the fact that fascism is the extreme far right reflects badly on the right-wing. Granted that fascism is on the statist part of the right as opposed to the libertarian, but it’s still the right.
If you look at the history you will find that fascism arose as a response to liberalism and was virulently anti-communist (and yes, that includes that famous “socialist” Hitler). It was very critical of laissez-faire capitalism, but flatly rejected the concept of class struggle embraced the equally-disenchanted-with-capitalism communist left.
So, in essence, and put rather simply, liberalism was failing in Europe, communism was gaining ground as a further left response to that failure,
and fascism arose as an opposing, far-right response. Fascism is defined, in short, by its opposition to communism. And you think it isn’t on the right? How about it’s composition of nationalism, corporatism, and racial purity? Are those left-wing virtues?
Is your linking an effort of endorsement to the the beliefs on that particular post?
Sure, Dave Neiwert does a very good job detailing the activities of racists, separatists, and as he calls them, eliminationists, among us.
Anyway, I’m not sure what your precise argument is regarding Fascism and Nazism not falling on the right side of the political spectrum, but I am sure it’s bunk. And considering this statement,
the entire premise of the Constitution which called for ulitmate authority to reside within state legistlators?
I can’t say I expect much thought or knowledge behind it. You apparently read this,
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
to mean something very opposed to what it actually means. The powers delegated to the US come first, the States’ second. Maybe you just worded it carelessly, but you seem to think the federal government has no powers over the States. I guess I should give you the benefit of the doubt, though, since you are correct about the ignored causes of the Civil War, even if you ignore some major ones yourself.
Let’s agree on one thing..our civil war was a military attempt by southern states to DESTROY the United State of America…
Technically, it was just them wanting to leave and to be left alone. They were wrong on virtually every issue — but it was not the South attempting to destroy the Union. It was the South looking to simply be independent.
If you’re looking for technicalities. The South didn’t want to conquer the North.
Which is why calling it a “Civil War” is a misnomer, as it was not a battle for control of a government.
Robert E. Lee graduating from West Point and then leading an Army against the United States of America would be the same as a West Point Graduate becoming bin Laden’s #1…
If that person was an Afghani national, maybe.
The only reason Lee didn’t run the Union military is because he was a Virginian.
He was significantly more anti-slavery than the Union military leadership. McClellan would have fit in better with the Confederates than the Union.
but of course Ann (what about that adam’s apple)
Coulter can a Headline of her latest article
“They Killed the Wrong Lincoln”
A headline that implies a sitting Senator of the United States should be shot?….oh yeah..it’s a joke when Ann says it.
Seeing as how this site has bashed Ann more than a few times, I’m not sure how mentioning her is supposed to score any points for you.
As for the Adam’s Apple — technically, everybody (including every female) has one. It’s just usually impossible to see on women. A small percentage of women do have them visible.
But, hey, continue on with that ignorance thing you do so well.
Spare me the fascism/Nazis aren’t right wing garbage. I’ve heard this time and again from either very ignorant-types who believe that the word socialist in National Socialist means that the Nazis were left-wing, or from people willfully dissembling history because they think the fact that fascism is the extreme far right reflects badly on the right-wing. Granted that fascism is on the statist part of the right as opposed to the libertarian, but it’s still the right.
Care to define the difference in government style of the Nazis and the Soviets?
-=Mike
…our civil war was a military attempt by southern states to DESTROY the United State of America…
Robert E. Lee graduating from West Point and then leading an Army against the United States of America would be the same as a West Point Graduate becoming bin Laden’s #1…
Boy, you’d better think about going back to school to finish the 5th grade before you start spouting that kind of nonsense. You just glom onto that little pea-brained idea because you hate the South (redneck wingnuts, right? “Fuck the South” probably appeals to you too) so you’re going to make it about Robert E. Lee now? Yeah, Lee was JUST LIKE bin Laden. (eyeroll) What. An. Idiot.
It’s akin to those (ahem) who break Godwin’s Law. Which, of course, was done in this thread. You silly moonbats destroy your own “arguments” (I’m taking liberties with the word here) every time you open your BDS-afflicted pieholes. LOL!
Yes, as usual the “tolerant lefties” show their true colors.
Robert E Lee was a great man who tried during the remaining years of his life to do all he could to help heal the wounds of the South while at the same time fearing for a while he would be swinging at the end of a rope.
I wouldn’t expect hatefull Blue Staters to ever understand Lee or why even all these years later he’s still one of the most respected military men our country ever had. The Yankees had very few who could hold a candle to him. To those in the South, their home state was their country. When Virginia left the Union, Lee followed. It’s a mindset that perhaps those who are so hateful of the South can’t understand. Sorry, I grew up in the North and will never live up there in that hateful society again.
Oh please, Mantis. To pretend fascism, much less nazism, is right wing is to call out on a blowhorn that your dumber than a sack of rocks. The very founder of fascism knew it was a left-wing ideology. You would do well to actually read his own statements.
“If you look at the history you will find that fascism arose as a response to liberalism and was virulently anti-communist . . .”
Only part of liberalism but it was liberalism as a culture and not an ideology. Fasciam was first and foremost a totalitarian state supported by control of business and, yes, socialism. While you may claim totalarianism is right-wing, though wrongly if you understand the policital ideologies, both control over business and socialism are hardly right-wing princicples, yet those were key principles to both facism and nazism. How convenient of you to cite Hitler was interested in socialism when Benito Mussolino stated “after socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage….”
If you were as knowledgeable about the political spectrum as you claim, you would know this particular line has much more in common with Leftist ideology than right-wing ideology. The evils of the extreme right are known, but they don’t cross with this particular part of the political spectrum.
And you bring up the same stupid (I’m not saying you are dumb but your information certainly is) arguments to fascism; nationalism, corportate interests and racial supremecy. I’m tire of this debate, seriously, but because I don’t want to come across as rude I’ll go ahead and answer in short.
Nationalism – Nationalism, at its core, is a deep sense of pride for an idea, not a nation. But if we go with a nation then you still fail the test. Were the Soviets not filled with intense nationalism? Of course they were and I doubt you want to claim Communisim was right-wing, though you claim Fascism was so why not.
Corporate Interests – How funny that you mention this actually. In Fascism, companies are not owned by the government, the difference with Communism as a whole, but they are given a set of restrictions on how to operate. Do right-wingers really want restrictions upon corporations or is it left-wingers who claim Wal-Mart is evil? The answer proves your point wrong.
Racial Supremecy – No, that’s Nazism, not fascism. There’s a distinct difference and I suggest you look up that difference anywhere but Common Dreams.
Dave Neiwert does just what you do; he cherry-picks and incorrectly matches parts of fascism to suit his own ideological goals to slander your opposition. I spent a good hour on his site and it’s complete nonsense that anyone with a reasoned mind could debunk. I suspect you could do the same as I don’t think you are less than intelligent nor do intend to call you as such, but actually look at the weaknesses in his argument with how Fascism (becase that’s the issue we’re discussing here at least) is incompatible with what the right-wing ideology is. No government ring a bell?
Do you really believe the original Constitution was not intended to make states have the ultimate authority within those states? If you do, then I’ve got a bridge I’d love to sell you in Nevada. What do you believe the words “the united states of America” mean?
Seriously, Manits, I love to debate topics with knowledgeable people, but the only conclusion I can come to is that you have no clue what you’re arguing. I’ve even intentionally left gaping holes in my argument for your response, yet you haven’t seemed to find them.
I’ll leave quoting your response:
“I’ve heard this time and again from either very ignorant-types who believe that the word socialist in National Socialist means that the Nazis were left-wing . . . “
Is this some sort of joke? What part of socialist state do you not get? Both Germany and Italy wanted and strived for one and it was the very basis of the founding of Fascism, yet you reject that one notion because you want to believe it’s right-wing. Or do you suppose the great ideological struggle between Nazism and Communism was not how that generation knew it, as my late grandfather told me “two totalirian regimes against another,” but rather how you and the blogger you linked to choose to describe it? Give the readers of this site better credit; they aren’t that dumb.
And thank you for calling me ignorant. Heh
Nice sugarcoating of the dems real intentions Lorie..